Complaint Review: 12 Daily Pro

I live in Atlantic City a block away from Bally's Casino. I work on the boardwalk pushing the rolling chairs. I know the look on a persons face after they've walked out after being raped by the tables. I also know what it feels like to loose my own cash.

In my opinion HYIP's are simply another form of gambling. If I walk up to the Craps table and notice a hot shooter, a guy on a really nice roll. 20 minutes and still going. I reach into my wallet I bet the 6,8 $36 bucks each. The guy picks up those dice, I smile visibly because he's the hot shooter, inside I know better. Sure enough my fear is realized as he immediatly sevens out loosing me my 72 bucks. Should I walk over there and punch him out. Would I be justified ?

I know its not fully the same thing as 12daily pro. But in many ways it is. Supposedly this company ran hot for 9 months never missing a payment. I'm sure a prudent investor or two came out of that situation in the plus despite their recent losses. 9 months of outragous returns on your money. 9 months of "sticken it to the man". Suddenly the bubble burst. I think the problem is people didn't plan for it.

Is it stormpays fault ? YES ! Is it 12 daily pro's ? YES as well. I believe both comapnies have engaged in at least some deception. Its only natural, and to be expected. People are trying to cover their asses. Patrons who have been treated well by Stormpay, insist Stormpay is reputable. They Ignore the possibility that Stormpay might mistreat other accounts. Just not thier accounts.

12daily pro will be back in some form or another. 9 months is a hell of a roll. I've seen people walk up to the craps table and loose a few thousand in a half hour. They would have loved to have their shot on 12daily.

I think we all know better when we get involved with these types of companies. Deep down we know that sooner or latter something is gonna give. We just hope its later.

It doesn't mean that companies should take peoples money and run, I only felt compelled to write this when i heard they hadn't missed a payment in 9 months. I think thats enough time to establish "good intent" at what they were trying to do, and were doing until all hell broke loose.

This might be a crude and dark time for HYIP's but I beleive they have a bright future. Just my opinion.

First of all, Mark, I did wonder if that might have been a possibility so no worries mate, I'll leave the beer's where they are eh! ;-)

Well Jill, all I can say to you is, you're just stupid and ignorant.

The report proves a LOT more than the fact that 12DP was a Ponzi (or almost a pure Ponzie - in the words of the report).
It proves that Charis Johnson was lying all along.

Now Jill, did I or did I not say, that I was unaware of 12DP being a Ponzi?
I think I did.

Did I or did I not also say, that if I could pinpoint exactly where every one of my $$$ came from, from the 12DP site, that I would be more than happy to give it all back?
I think I did.

But Jill, YOU are just plain STUPID! It's right up there in black and white, and yet you don't seem to want to acknowledge it's existence! But then again, you don't want to acknowledge that StormPay is still in business, and STILL paying out money!

Also Jill, the SEC can't touch anyone outside of the USA, ie, me, so I'm not worried about them or anyone else.
Neither are the other 100,000+ foreign participants in 12DailyPro.

Jill, 12DailyPro has everyone's money.

Jill, you say you can provide links too, so...er...where are they?

Jill, I could have put other links up too, but you would only find something to blast about them, despite the facts therein.

Jill, I just transferred another large sum of money from StormPay today, with no problems. Why do you insist that StormPay is going down?

Yes Jill, I've heard of BeaverPay, didn't last long. But you know, in business, many companies use various names in order to attract a varied consumer base. Especially here in Japan, this is pretty common amongst some industries where avoidance of name-tagging is often necessary.

Jill, say whatever you like. People like you will always find something wrong with everything. No matter what anyone else says, you're never wrong. Therefore, there's no point in trying to debate with you, because even if people agreed with you, you'd STILL find some way to make yourself look better than them. Albeit with everyone doing what they're doing now - smirking at you and laughing at your ridiculous postings.

I run an honest business, and had I known that 12DP was a scam, I'd never have invested my money into it. Now, why is it that other surf-portals are still operating no problem, but 12DP isn't?
Oh, this is easy!
It's because other sites are actually able to PROVE that they're making a large portion of their revenues from outside sources other than those based on memberships.
If you go back to the link I gave you yesterday, you'll see that 12DP was making virtually nothing from outside sources, despite lying to us all about its revenue!

StormPay did the right thing when it suspected that this was a Ponzi, or possible Ponzi I should say. If they're wrong, why are they not suspended from doing business?
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT WRONG JILL!

Finally, I would like to say, that in psychological terms Jill, your efforts at trying to converse with me and Mark, and others no doubt, on an 'I'll insult you by pretending I know everything about everyone etc', shows that you simply do nothing more than pull at straws.

Why you hate me so much is something only you know, but that's your choice too and your entitled to hate whoever you like - which would appear to be anyone that doesn't have a problem with StormPay. But don't pretend you know me, because you don't. And the only thing I know about you is from your inconclusive rants on this site.

Really, I'm not going to argue with the likes of you anymore, because I don't think I can do too much more looking over the edge of my plane to try and communicate all the way down on yours.

Have a nice day Jill - always a pleasure, never a chore!

Beer Mark?;-)

First of all, Mark, I did wonder if that might have been a possibility so no worries mate, I'll leave the beer's where they are eh! ;-)

Well Jill, all I can say to you is, you're just stupid and ignorant.

The report proves a LOT more than the fact that 12DP was a Ponzi (or almost a pure Ponzie - in the words of the report).
It proves that Charis Johnson was lying all along.

Now Jill, did I or did I not say, that I was unaware of 12DP being a Ponzi?
I think I did.

Did I or did I not also say, that if I could pinpoint exactly where every one of my $$$ came from, from the 12DP site, that I would be more than happy to give it all back?
I think I did.

But Jill, YOU are just plain STUPID! It's right up there in black and white, and yet you don't seem to want to acknowledge it's existence! But then again, you don't want to acknowledge that StormPay is still in business, and STILL paying out money!

Also Jill, the SEC can't touch anyone outside of the USA, ie, me, so I'm not worried about them or anyone else.
Neither are the other 100,000+ foreign participants in 12DailyPro.

Jill, 12DailyPro has everyone's money.

Jill, you say you can provide links too, so...er...where are they?

Jill, I could have put other links up too, but you would only find something to blast about them, despite the facts therein.

Jill, I just transferred another large sum of money from StormPay today, with no problems. Why do you insist that StormPay is going down?

Yes Jill, I've heard of BeaverPay, didn't last long. But you know, in business, many companies use various names in order to attract a varied consumer base. Especially here in Japan, this is pretty common amongst some industries where avoidance of name-tagging is often necessary.

Jill, say whatever you like. People like you will always find something wrong with everything. No matter what anyone else says, you're never wrong. Therefore, there's no point in trying to debate with you, because even if people agreed with you, you'd STILL find some way to make yourself look better than them. Albeit with everyone doing what they're doing now - smirking at you and laughing at your ridiculous postings.

I run an honest business, and had I known that 12DP was a scam, I'd never have invested my money into it. Now, why is it that other surf-portals are still operating no problem, but 12DP isn't?
Oh, this is easy!
It's because other sites are actually able to PROVE that they're making a large portion of their revenues from outside sources other than those based on memberships.
If you go back to the link I gave you yesterday, you'll see that 12DP was making virtually nothing from outside sources, despite lying to us all about its revenue!

StormPay did the right thing when it suspected that this was a Ponzi, or possible Ponzi I should say. If they're wrong, why are they not suspended from doing business?
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT WRONG JILL!

Finally, I would like to say, that in psychological terms Jill, your efforts at trying to converse with me and Mark, and others no doubt, on an 'I'll insult you by pretending I know everything about everyone etc', shows that you simply do nothing more than pull at straws.

Why you hate me so much is something only you know, but that's your choice too and your entitled to hate whoever you like - which would appear to be anyone that doesn't have a problem with StormPay. But don't pretend you know me, because you don't. And the only thing I know about you is from your inconclusive rants on this site.

Really, I'm not going to argue with the likes of you anymore, because I don't think I can do too much more looking over the edge of my plane to try and communicate all the way down on yours.

Have a nice day Jill - always a pleasure, never a chore!

Beer Mark?;-)

First of all, Mark, I did wonder if that might have been a possibility so no worries mate, I'll leave the beer's where they are eh! ;-)

Well Jill, all I can say to you is, you're just stupid and ignorant.

The report proves a LOT more than the fact that 12DP was a Ponzi (or almost a pure Ponzie - in the words of the report).
It proves that Charis Johnson was lying all along.

Now Jill, did I or did I not say, that I was unaware of 12DP being a Ponzi?
I think I did.

Did I or did I not also say, that if I could pinpoint exactly where every one of my $$$ came from, from the 12DP site, that I would be more than happy to give it all back?
I think I did.

But Jill, YOU are just plain STUPID! It's right up there in black and white, and yet you don't seem to want to acknowledge it's existence! But then again, you don't want to acknowledge that StormPay is still in business, and STILL paying out money!

Also Jill, the SEC can't touch anyone outside of the USA, ie, me, so I'm not worried about them or anyone else.
Neither are the other 100,000+ foreign participants in 12DailyPro.

Jill, 12DailyPro has everyone's money.

Jill, you say you can provide links too, so...er...where are they?

Jill, I could have put other links up too, but you would only find something to blast about them, despite the facts therein.

Jill, I just transferred another large sum of money from StormPay today, with no problems. Why do you insist that StormPay is going down?

Yes Jill, I've heard of BeaverPay, didn't last long. But you know, in business, many companies use various names in order to attract a varied consumer base. Especially here in Japan, this is pretty common amongst some industries where avoidance of name-tagging is often necessary.

Jill, say whatever you like. People like you will always find something wrong with everything. No matter what anyone else says, you're never wrong. Therefore, there's no point in trying to debate with you, because even if people agreed with you, you'd STILL find some way to make yourself look better than them. Albeit with everyone doing what they're doing now - smirking at you and laughing at your ridiculous postings.

I run an honest business, and had I known that 12DP was a scam, I'd never have invested my money into it. Now, why is it that other surf-portals are still operating no problem, but 12DP isn't?
Oh, this is easy!
It's because other sites are actually able to PROVE that they're making a large portion of their revenues from outside sources other than those based on memberships.
If you go back to the link I gave you yesterday, you'll see that 12DP was making virtually nothing from outside sources, despite lying to us all about its revenue!

StormPay did the right thing when it suspected that this was a Ponzi, or possible Ponzi I should say. If they're wrong, why are they not suspended from doing business?
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT WRONG JILL!

Finally, I would like to say, that in psychological terms Jill, your efforts at trying to converse with me and Mark, and others no doubt, on an 'I'll insult you by pretending I know everything about everyone etc', shows that you simply do nothing more than pull at straws.

Why you hate me so much is something only you know, but that's your choice too and your entitled to hate whoever you like - which would appear to be anyone that doesn't have a problem with StormPay. But don't pretend you know me, because you don't. And the only thing I know about you is from your inconclusive rants on this site.

Really, I'm not going to argue with the likes of you anymore, because I don't think I can do too much more looking over the edge of my plane to try and communicate all the way down on yours.

Have a nice day Jill - always a pleasure, never a chore!

Beer Mark?;-)

First of all, Mark, I did wonder if that might have been a possibility so no worries mate, I'll leave the beer's where they are eh! ;-)

Well Jill, all I can say to you is, you're just stupid and ignorant.

The report proves a LOT more than the fact that 12DP was a Ponzi (or almost a pure Ponzie - in the words of the report).
It proves that Charis Johnson was lying all along.

Now Jill, did I or did I not say, that I was unaware of 12DP being a Ponzi?
I think I did.

Did I or did I not also say, that if I could pinpoint exactly where every one of my $$$ came from, from the 12DP site, that I would be more than happy to give it all back?
I think I did.

But Jill, YOU are just plain STUPID! It's right up there in black and white, and yet you don't seem to want to acknowledge it's existence! But then again, you don't want to acknowledge that StormPay is still in business, and STILL paying out money!

Also Jill, the SEC can't touch anyone outside of the USA, ie, me, so I'm not worried about them or anyone else.
Neither are the other 100,000+ foreign participants in 12DailyPro.

Jill, 12DailyPro has everyone's money.

Jill, you say you can provide links too, so...er...where are they?

Jill, I could have put other links up too, but you would only find something to blast about them, despite the facts therein.

Jill, I just transferred another large sum of money from StormPay today, with no problems. Why do you insist that StormPay is going down?

Yes Jill, I've heard of BeaverPay, didn't last long. But you know, in business, many companies use various names in order to attract a varied consumer base. Especially here in Japan, this is pretty common amongst some industries where avoidance of name-tagging is often necessary.

Jill, say whatever you like. People like you will always find something wrong with everything. No matter what anyone else says, you're never wrong. Therefore, there's no point in trying to debate with you, because even if people agreed with you, you'd STILL find some way to make yourself look better than them. Albeit with everyone doing what they're doing now - smirking at you and laughing at your ridiculous postings.

I run an honest business, and had I known that 12DP was a scam, I'd never have invested my money into it. Now, why is it that other surf-portals are still operating no problem, but 12DP isn't?
Oh, this is easy!
It's because other sites are actually able to PROVE that they're making a large portion of their revenues from outside sources other than those based on memberships.
If you go back to the link I gave you yesterday, you'll see that 12DP was making virtually nothing from outside sources, despite lying to us all about its revenue!

StormPay did the right thing when it suspected that this was a Ponzi, or possible Ponzi I should say. If they're wrong, why are they not suspended from doing business?
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT WRONG JILL!

Finally, I would like to say, that in psychological terms Jill, your efforts at trying to converse with me and Mark, and others no doubt, on an 'I'll insult you by pretending I know everything about everyone etc', shows that you simply do nothing more than pull at straws.

Why you hate me so much is something only you know, but that's your choice too and your entitled to hate whoever you like - which would appear to be anyone that doesn't have a problem with StormPay. But don't pretend you know me, because you don't. And the only thing I know about you is from your inconclusive rants on this site.

Really, I'm not going to argue with the likes of you anymore, because I don't think I can do too much more looking over the edge of my plane to try and communicate all the way down on yours.

Have a nice day Jill - always a pleasure, never a chore!

Beer Mark?;-)

All that link proved is 12Dailypro was a ponzi, i can also provide links proving stormpay was involved in ponzis as well as other scams(ever heard of beaverpay), So tell us something we don't know...it also proves you rely on scams to make your money...it certainly doe NOT prove you are a millioniare....oh that wasn't marks post?, hmmm I was going to give him a little credit for smartening up and seeing through your lies, guess he is a hypocrite after all ...oh well too bad.

Also too bad you made all that money from 12 Dailypro because guess what bern?..the SEC will be going over who made money and who didn't and whoever did profit will be forced to pay it back...couldn't happen to a nicer guy in my opinion.

anyways you can continue to beat a dead horse ..I doubt I'll be back...like robin said this argument is over.

Bernie: I'am still with you, someone opened new account with my name sorry way to ruin thread if you see any more post with my name on them against you,just know it is someone else guess who? They could't win argument without scam I wish I could E-mail you address without others seeing. Who are scam artist's.

...of Charis Johnson ripping everyone off.

And for those of you, including you Mark - who it now appears is changing his mind - of course my posts add up, why wouldn't they? Just because I only lost a few bucks doesn't mean s**t!
Look closer and you'll see that I was indeed fortunate that I transferred my money out of 12DailyPro and StormPay right before all the doo doo hit the fan.

Anyway, whatever, I don't have to prove **** to anyone about my earnings, and Mark, I did make money from 12DP yes, but so did thousands of others, but that was BEFORE anyone knew that Charis Johnson is a con-artist!
Trust me, if there was anyway to prove where every dollar of my money came from, I'd gladly give it back to those that lost it!

Now kiddies, go read this link, slap your foreheads and admit you're wrong about StormPay...oh, and btw, I just checked my SP account and find a nice 5 figure sum waiting for me - always nice to come back to after a trip away!

sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr19579.htm

Read the link - CAREFULLY - don't want you coming back here saying that the law is lying now do we!

Bernie I don't who wrote that comment on there or how but I have reported it to rip off they said they would find out from computor ip number and ban them and press charges. Thanks Mark

I thought you were a good man Bernie, I was wrong.
you supported 12Dailypro and made alot of money there and the only reason your on here is because you lost money from the ponzi, or because you cant make more!
I hope the fec takes all that money back!
PS carls right your story does not add up

I guess this whole argument is no longer an issue considering that the SEC took over and a Receiver has been appointed. Interesting to note however, that if 12DP had control over their Stormpay account, how could the SEC have taken it over FROM Stormpay?

"My point was that if StormPay has sent the money back to 12DP, where the hell is it?
Can you answer that? "
Hmmm I DID answer you once already, but I'll it one more time when someone's account is FROZEN its impossible to do a chargeback or access ANY funds (geez you'd think the big rich millionaire would know about FINANCIAL accounts...lol)

Ok you want me to admit 12 DP is a ponzi FINE! It's a ponzi and YOU were one of its biggest scammers! I just hope the SEC finds you, takes any profit you made back and then returns it to the real victims!!
I'm just glad I wasn't in long and I got 100% of my money back...curiously my bank and my lawyer agreed that stormpay had no legal right to freeze money, I seem to remember you saying they had every right to freeze money. Well you obviously don't know the laws do you (no surprise from someone who talks out his rear end).

Bottom lineYou can write about your imaginary lifestyle all you want, hell you can even believe it if it helps you sleep at night, but I know for a fact you are a poor dreamer that has nothing better to do than troll this site, make false comments and corny insults. Even IF you were rich please tell why I would give a rat's a*s?

I came on here originally explaining stormpay is the thief, I don't care about Charis or 12 dp, get it through that little monkey brain of yours.

Ps I'd rather be a smarta** than a dumb a**... like youand fire away all you want, I won't respond (I've said all that needs to be said without being redundant besides I'm bored with you), BUT I WILL BE BACK TO LAUGH AT YOU WHEN STORMPAY GOES UNDER.
*singsong* I know something you don't know!

"My point was that if StormPay has sent the money back to 12DP, where the hell is it?
Can you answer that? "
Hmmm I DID answer you once already, but I'll it one more time when someone's account is FROZEN its impossible to do a chargeback or access ANY funds (geez you'd think the big rich millionaire would know about FINANCIAL accounts...lol)

Ok you want me to admit 12 DP is a ponzi FINE! It's a ponzi and YOU were one of its biggest scammers! I just hope the SEC finds you, takes any profit you made back and then returns it to the real victims!!
I'm just glad I wasn't in long and I got 100% of my money back...curiously my bank and my lawyer agreed that stormpay had no legal right to freeze money, I seem to remember you saying they had every right to freeze money. Well you obviously don't know the laws do you (no surprise from someone who talks out his rear end).

Bottom lineYou can write about your imaginary lifestyle all you want, hell you can even believe it if it helps you sleep at night, but I know for a fact you are a poor dreamer that has nothing better to do than troll this site, make false comments and corny insults. Even IF you were rich please tell why I would give a rat's a*s?

I came on here originally explaining stormpay is the thief, I don't care about Charis or 12 dp, get it through that little monkey brain of yours.

Ps I'd rather be a smarta** than a dumb a**... like youand fire away all you want, I won't respond (I've said all that needs to be said without being redundant besides I'm bored with you), BUT I WILL BE BACK TO LAUGH AT YOU WHEN STORMPAY GOES UNDER.
*singsong* I know something you don't know!

"My point was that if StormPay has sent the money back to 12DP, where the hell is it?
Can you answer that? "
Hmmm I DID answer you once already, but I'll it one more time when someone's account is FROZEN its impossible to do a chargeback or access ANY funds (geez you'd think the big rich millionaire would know about FINANCIAL accounts...lol)

Ok you want me to admit 12 DP is a ponzi FINE! It's a ponzi and YOU were one of its biggest scammers! I just hope the SEC finds you, takes any profit you made back and then returns it to the real victims!!
I'm just glad I wasn't in long and I got 100% of my money back...curiously my bank and my lawyer agreed that stormpay had no legal right to freeze money, I seem to remember you saying they had every right to freeze money. Well you obviously don't know the laws do you (no surprise from someone who talks out his rear end).

Bottom lineYou can write about your imaginary lifestyle all you want, hell you can even believe it if it helps you sleep at night, but I know for a fact you are a poor dreamer that has nothing better to do than troll this site, make false comments and corny insults. Even IF you were rich please tell why I would give a rat's a*s?

I came on here originally explaining stormpay is the thief, I don't care about Charis or 12 dp, get it through that little monkey brain of yours.

Ps I'd rather be a smarta** than a dumb a**... like youand fire away all you want, I won't respond (I've said all that needs to be said without being redundant besides I'm bored with you), BUT I WILL BE BACK TO LAUGH AT YOU WHEN STORMPAY GOES UNDER.
*singsong* I know something you don't know!

"My point was that if StormPay has sent the money back to 12DP, where the hell is it?
Can you answer that? "
Hmmm I DID answer you once already, but I'll it one more time when someone's account is FROZEN its impossible to do a chargeback or access ANY funds (geez you'd think the big rich millionaire would know about FINANCIAL accounts...lol)

Ok you want me to admit 12 DP is a ponzi FINE! It's a ponzi and YOU were one of its biggest scammers! I just hope the SEC finds you, takes any profit you made back and then returns it to the real victims!!
I'm just glad I wasn't in long and I got 100% of my money back...curiously my bank and my lawyer agreed that stormpay had no legal right to freeze money, I seem to remember you saying they had every right to freeze money. Well you obviously don't know the laws do you (no surprise from someone who talks out his rear end).

Bottom lineYou can write about your imaginary lifestyle all you want, hell you can even believe it if it helps you sleep at night, but I know for a fact you are a poor dreamer that has nothing better to do than troll this site, make false comments and corny insults. Even IF you were rich please tell why I would give a rat's a*s?

I came on here originally explaining stormpay is the thief, I don't care about Charis or 12 dp, get it through that little monkey brain of yours.

Ps I'd rather be a smarta** than a dumb a**... like youand fire away all you want, I won't respond (I've said all that needs to be said without being redundant besides I'm bored with you), BUT I WILL BE BACK TO LAUGH AT YOU WHEN STORMPAY GOES UNDER.
*singsong* I know something you don't know!

So I stated that StormPay sent my $5.49 back to 12DP, and that luckily for me, I didn't have much money in 12DP anyway!

How the hell does that make me a fraud?

There was a reason why only $5.49 was taken, because that's all there was in on that particular day! The day before I had transferred close to $22,000 - an average for each month of incoming monies into my StormPay account! Thankfully StormPay didn't do their 'chargebacks' just 4 hours sooner, or I'd have lost that $22grand!
But hey, I'm not grumbling, others lost 100's of thousands of $$$ in 12DP.

My point was, that if StormPay has sent the money back to 12DP, where the hell is it?
Can you answer that? No, you can't, why? Because you're a lame-a*s brainwashed sheep just like so many others, that's why!

Likewise, my $19,000 compounded money in 12DP for the month of January, was, thankfully, transferred to my bank 3 days before any of this happened, and I hadn't had the time to do another upgrade before 12DailyPro, sorry, Charis Johnson - started lying to everyone!

On the forum it states that she'll put any new information on her new blog site, but after visiting that site earlier today, there's nothing up there except an excuse by her as to why she can't put any comments on the site yet.
More lies.

Listen smartass, answer the questions that we've been asking before you contradict people like me. I've no worry about 12DP or Charis Johnson, but I do want to see that she is brought to justice for ruining the lives of so many others.

Read the letter I posted before about how I make my money, and if you're interested in making serious money contact me again and I'll be happy to sell you one of my franchises.
Mind you, I doubt that you could afford it.

Well, blab away losers, I'm off to Hawaii later today for a few days in the sun, then to L.A. for a conference before heading back home to Japan! I'll be sure to return fire when I get back!

Happy kiddin' yerselves!

For someone with SO many millions this is a really interesting statement...

"And even though StormPay took my $5.49 and sent it BACK to 12DP as a 'chargeback', I've yet to receive a d**n penny from 12DP, or indeed, any notification that it's been paid back!
Fortunately, unlike thousands of others, I only lost a few $$$ in 12DP, but the hopes and financial dreams of myself, my wife and our friends, have been smashed."

You made that statement in another thread, did you not? You sir are a fraud, you are no better than stormpay. You have no millions or you wouldn't have made that statement.

Mark, you are a hypocrite because right in the very first thread you state...
"If you have made money in one of her ponzi schemes and kept the money you are a scam artist to. Money has to come from someone if you know it stealing than you are a thief"

This guy readily admits he's an autosurfer/scammer (even worse he sells e-books on how to be a scammer) yet you continue to hold his hand and kiss his tushy.

We're just saying stormpay started this mess and you know it. Who really cares about 12 daily pro anymore? They're out of business so your work is done...so why are YOU even here? TROLL

For someone with SO many millions this is a really interesting statement...

"And even though StormPay took my $5.49 and sent it BACK to 12DP as a 'chargeback', I've yet to receive a d**n penny from 12DP, or indeed, any notification that it's been paid back!
Fortunately, unlike thousands of others, I only lost a few $$$ in 12DP, but the hopes and financial dreams of myself, my wife and our friends, have been smashed."

You made that statement in another thread, did you not? You sir are a fraud, you are no better than stormpay. You have no millions or you wouldn't have made that statement.

Mark, you are a hypocrite because right in the very first thread you state...
"If you have made money in one of her ponzi schemes and kept the money you are a scam artist to. Money has to come from someone if you know it stealing than you are a thief"

This guy readily admits he's an autosurfer/scammer (even worse he sells e-books on how to be a scammer) yet you continue to hold his hand and kiss his tushy.

We're just saying stormpay started this mess and you know it. Who really cares about 12 daily pro anymore? They're out of business so your work is done...so why are YOU even here? TROLL

For someone with SO many millions this is a really interesting statement...

"And even though StormPay took my $5.49 and sent it BACK to 12DP as a 'chargeback', I've yet to receive a d**n penny from 12DP, or indeed, any notification that it's been paid back!
Fortunately, unlike thousands of others, I only lost a few $$$ in 12DP, but the hopes and financial dreams of myself, my wife and our friends, have been smashed."

You made that statement in another thread, did you not? You sir are a fraud, you are no better than stormpay. You have no millions or you wouldn't have made that statement.

Mark, you are a hypocrite because right in the very first thread you state...
"If you have made money in one of her ponzi schemes and kept the money you are a scam artist to. Money has to come from someone if you know it stealing than you are a thief"

This guy readily admits he's an autosurfer/scammer (even worse he sells e-books on how to be a scammer) yet you continue to hold his hand and kiss his tushy.

We're just saying stormpay started this mess and you know it. Who really cares about 12 daily pro anymore? They're out of business so your work is done...so why are YOU even here? TROLL

Carl, seriously, are you aware of the term 'The pot calling the kettle'?

You tried, albeit in vain, to rip Mark for bad English and yet yours is diabolical!
And Jill didn't win by TKO, far from it. Reading through your beligerent postings, one can see that you have no basis for actually posting anything, other than your total bias towards StormPay - a company by your own admittance that you don't use, like 12DP.

So I'm curious, why are you even here?
If all you want to do is bring StormPay crashing down, you're in the wrong place and your efforts at doing so in just this forum are truly laughable!

I'm pretty sure it's only a matter of time before some of you question how I've made my millions, so let me spare you the wasted efforts of your key-strokes:

1) I've been selling items on ebay, StormPay and other auction sites, for over 8 years. True, it's hard to sell items on those kind of sites, but you'd be amazed at what people will buy, and how quickly those small sales mount up!

2) I've been using the autosurf sites to make money for the last 3 years, and am still successfully using all that I am involved with other than 12DailyPro! 12DP is the ONLY site that has folded and yet doesn't have the decency to admit it. Other sites that have folded have either run off with the money or folded before paying out members, but have at least posted some kind of warning. 12DP did NOTHING!

3) My largest operation is a worldwide language service, operating in 19 countries, started from scratch just 5 years ago in a small office in Japan. This company is what makes me most of my money, including the sale last year of a small attachment - also in Japan - which I happily sold for over $800,000 CASH! (What a day that was having it escorted to the bank!)

4) My small graphics design business is slowly but surely gaining recognition and sales are improving. My hope is that this business will, within the next 3-5 years, outperform my language business, allowing me to sell off the language company and concentrate on my graphics design one. (This is my true passion).

5) I decided to try one of those home-based health companies that people like you and Jill just can't help but rip to pieces! Now while I'm not getting rich off that particular company (although I'm rich anyway), I make plenty of money from it and love using the products!

So you see Carl, (and Jill and anyone else who thinks they're the bees-knees), application of one's resources, strengths and knowledge is what it's all about.

Charis Johnson's resources, strengths and knowledge are all based on fakery, lies and deception. Basically all the same thing I know, but that's what she's good at. She's done it before, and she'll do it again. As she already is planning to do.

I suggest that before you try to rip people apart, you should at least try to know something about them first, rather than just thinking you do.

Mark, where's that beer bro? I'm thirsty after having to explain simplicity to the uneducated once AGAIN! ;-)

Alan reread your OP, and tell me why I shouldn't have thought what I thought..."I just got a refund from monies that were NEVER in 12 DP"...maybe you need to learn to use the English language Alan?, then we wouldn't have these misunderstandings! ps Lets get one thing strait. From day one I've been AGAINST stormpay, I could care less about 12DP ok? That is a dead horse!
I have my refunds and my energy is focused on stormpays eminent demise!
And mork... as far as a TKO I have to strongly disagree, Jill won by KNOCKOUTBut I do agree you need all the help you can get! lol Too bad your partner is wanna-be businessman that trolls this site like it's a message board!

Alan reread your OP, and tell me why I shouldn't have thought what I thought..."I just got a refund from monies that were never in 12 DP"...maybe you need to learn to use the English language Alan?, then you wouldn't have these misunderstandings! ps Lets get one thing strait. From day one I've been against stormpay, I could care less about 12DP ok? And, now that I have my refunds my energy is focused on stormpays eminent demise! And mork as far as a TKO I have to strongly disagree, Jill won by KNOCKOUT..his a$$ is still out cold!! but I do agree you need all the help you can get! lol Too bad your partner is wanna-be businessman ( autosurfing isn't a business ya dope)that trolls this site like it's a message board!

No wonder you think you know so much, your ignorance just shines through like a torch in the dark!

Actually, I do have a life, and a very very good and fortunate one!
In the last 15 years, I've turned my life around from being a total loser - like you - to earning in excess of 2.6million $$$ over the last 4 years!
So, yeah, I'm a 'L is for loser' I guess!

Dumb a*s bitches like you are the reason why certain people should not be allowed to breed!

Your insults made me laugh, and actually, you did NOT refer to Mark when talking about being vulgar, so I suggest that YOU learn to read something more intelligent than ABC books or internet porn!

Good luck with your trashing of StormPay and support of 12DP - don't come crying on here when they take more of your money.

Oh, and for your further uneducated information, the only posts I've ever posted to related to a health business. Not every topic on the site as you seem to think!
What a moron!

Mark - pass me another beer bro!

You need to get a grip man. You are in heavy denial. I never said I wasn't an upgraded member of 12DP. I said that StormPay honored (processed or any other word you would like to use)a withdrawal request that I made on 3/Feb/06. It was deposited in my bank acct. 24/Feb/06. It was monies lying in my SP account that had never been sent to 12DP. I was just stating facts and your still pounding on the pulpit trying to gather the lost sheep. 12DP is gone. The last update was Feb 14, which is an eternity on the internet.

Thanks: Bernie I couldn't have said it better.You are a smart man good luck on your internet business.

I was referring to mark about being vulgar in the posts, again you prove to us you can not read... yes bern I did notice you have no life and seem to troll this website posting to every topic you "think" you know something about...L is for loser. I was referring to what mark was posting and the fact that you think I'm some sort of 12 Daily pro cheerleader when in fact I am not!
You want me to believe you got a refund from stormpay for your business with 12 daily pro??? well what about the other 299,000 people? stop lying no ones getting refunds from stormapy and everyone knows it!! the only one giving refunds is the banks and the credit cards.
You OBVIOUSLY do not understand financial accounts and how they work even though you said it yourself "the only time I was unhappy with stormpay was when they "issued" the chargeback to 12 daily pro"..you even admit that fact.
everything you post is false! all "hear say" so you and mark keep your play date, you 2 can hold each others hands and sing songs about your beloved stormpay!

Jill, for a start, where EVER, was I even once, remotely 'vulgar' in my posting?

If you check under my name, you'll see I've posted several hundred posts on this site, all unbiased and warranted!

You yourself wrote "unfortunately like any other scam artist he'll try something else...I just hope you buy in" - well, first off, thanks for being ignorant and insulting!

Secondly, Charis Johnson IS trying 'something else', which she hopes all the brainwashed suckers of 12DP will also buy into!
She's going to start a NEW site called 'Newclicks.com'.

Thirdly Jill, (oh, and neither you nor Carl nor anyone else should EVER feel close enough to call me 'Bern'), StormPay has refunded my 'chargeback', and emailed me a letter of apology! So stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

Fourthly, 12DP still has MY MONEY, on hold, as a 'Pending' - NOT StormPay!

I guarantee you that StormPay is going to be around for years - so will Charis Johnson. Unfortunately, she'll be just out of reach of the long-arm of the law each and everytime, because she has the know-how and lack of morals, to rip people off by disguising her Ponzi's as something legitimate!

PLEASE, DO tell me, where the money that Charis Johnson alleges she gets from 'outside sources', has gone????

You know why you can't tell me? Because Charis Johnson is not telling anyone, because it's in her pocket!

Hey, if you want to refuse to believe that 12DP and Charis Johnson are nothing more than a scam, that's upto you.

The rest of us that are not allowing the wool to be pulled over our eyes, will be laughing eventually when you suckers invest more money in CJ and her scams, and get nothing but tears back!

I've got the money back from StormPay, but where is my money that I invested/gave/put into - whatever you want to call it - 12DailyPro?
12DailyPro, and NOT StormPay, has my money! Charis Johnson has the opportunity to provide us with any number of payment processors willing to take her business, but so far, she has refused to take them up on their kind offers.

My other surfing sites, Is-surf.com, aussieearners.com, and a few others, have provided other payment processors after having to change from StormPay. Why can't Charis Johnson do the same for 12DailyPro?

You people just don't want to answer these questions with the FACTS!

Insult me if you must - that just makes me think that Charis Johnson knows what kind of folks you are, and uses that to her advantage!

Good luck suckers! I'm off to sell more ebooks on StormPay - you know, that company that is STILL doing business!

Oh, and before I forget, Yes, it was wrong of StormPay to freeze accounts without giving prior warning, but I think if you read their Terms & Conditions, you'll see that they actually invoke the right to change anything at anytime without prior notice!

As a businessman, I can see the reason for doing this is to ensure their security before being ripped off by Ponzi scheme scammers for example - just like 12DP!

Get a life yourself Jill!

Mark - get some popcorn, I'll bring the beers, and we'll sit back, feet-up and watch these losers cry into the sunset! lol!

Jill, for a start, where EVER, was I even once, remotely 'vulgar' in my posting?

If you check under my name, you'll see I've posted several hundred posts on this site, all unbiased and warranted!

You yourself wrote "unfortunately like any other scam artist he'll try something else...I just hope you buy in" - well, first off, thanks for being ignorant and insulting!

Secondly, Charis Johnson IS trying 'something else', which she hopes all the brainwashed suckers of 12DP will also buy into!
She's going to start a NEW site called 'Newclicks.com'.

Thirdly Jill, (oh, and neither you nor Carl nor anyone else should EVER feel close enough to call me 'Bern'), StormPay has refunded my 'chargeback', and emailed me a letter of apology! So stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

Fourthly, 12DP still has MY MONEY, on hold, as a 'Pending' - NOT StormPay!

I guarantee you that StormPay is going to be around for years - so will Charis Johnson. Unfortunately, she'll be just out of reach of the long-arm of the law each and everytime, because she has the know-how and lack of morals, to rip people off by disguising her Ponzi's as something legitimate!

PLEASE, DO tell me, where the money that Charis Johnson alleges she gets from 'outside sources', has gone????

You know why you can't tell me? Because Charis Johnson is not telling anyone, because it's in her pocket!

Hey, if you want to refuse to believe that 12DP and Charis Johnson are nothing more than a scam, that's upto you.

The rest of us that are not allowing the wool to be pulled over our eyes, will be laughing eventually when you suckers invest more money in CJ and her scams, and get nothing but tears back!

I've got the money back from StormPay, but where is my money that I invested/gave/put into - whatever you want to call it - 12DailyPro?
12DailyPro, and NOT StormPay, has my money! Charis Johnson has the opportunity to provide us with any number of payment processors willing to take her business, but so far, she has refused to take them up on their kind offers.

My other surfing sites, Is-surf.com, aussieearners.com, and a few others, have provided other payment processors after having to change from StormPay. Why can't Charis Johnson do the same for 12DailyPro?

You people just don't want to answer these questions with the FACTS!

Insult me if you must - that just makes me think that Charis Johnson knows what kind of folks you are, and uses that to her advantage!

Good luck suckers! I'm off to sell more ebooks on StormPay - you know, that company that is STILL doing business!

Oh, and before I forget, Yes, it was wrong of StormPay to freeze accounts without giving prior warning, but I think if you read their Terms & Conditions, you'll see that they actually invoke the right to change anything at anytime without prior notice!

As a businessman, I can see the reason for doing this is to ensure their security before being ripped off by Ponzi scheme scammers for example - just like 12DP!

Get a life yourself Jill!

Mark - get some popcorn, I'll bring the beers, and we'll sit back, feet-up and watch these losers cry into the sunset! lol!

Jill, for a start, where EVER, was I even once, remotely 'vulgar' in my posting?

If you check under my name, you'll see I've posted several hundred posts on this site, all unbiased and warranted!

You yourself wrote "unfortunately like any other scam artist he'll try something else...I just hope you buy in" - well, first off, thanks for being ignorant and insulting!

Secondly, Charis Johnson IS trying 'something else', which she hopes all the brainwashed suckers of 12DP will also buy into!
She's going to start a NEW site called 'Newclicks.com'.

Thirdly Jill, (oh, and neither you nor Carl nor anyone else should EVER feel close enough to call me 'Bern'), StormPay has refunded my 'chargeback', and emailed me a letter of apology! So stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

Fourthly, 12DP still has MY MONEY, on hold, as a 'Pending' - NOT StormPay!

I guarantee you that StormPay is going to be around for years - so will Charis Johnson. Unfortunately, she'll be just out of reach of the long-arm of the law each and everytime, because she has the know-how and lack of morals, to rip people off by disguising her Ponzi's as something legitimate!

PLEASE, DO tell me, where the money that Charis Johnson alleges she gets from 'outside sources', has gone????

You know why you can't tell me? Because Charis Johnson is not telling anyone, because it's in her pocket!

Hey, if you want to refuse to believe that 12DP and Charis Johnson are nothing more than a scam, that's upto you.

The rest of us that are not allowing the wool to be pulled over our eyes, will be laughing eventually when you suckers invest more money in CJ and her scams, and get nothing but tears back!

I've got the money back from StormPay, but where is my money that I invested/gave/put into - whatever you want to call it - 12DailyPro?
12DailyPro, and NOT StormPay, has my money! Charis Johnson has the opportunity to provide us with any number of payment processors willing to take her business, but so far, she has refused to take them up on their kind offers.

My other surfing sites, Is-surf.com, aussieearners.com, and a few others, have provided other payment processors after having to change from StormPay. Why can't Charis Johnson do the same for 12DailyPro?

You people just don't want to answer these questions with the FACTS!

Insult me if you must - that just makes me think that Charis Johnson knows what kind of folks you are, and uses that to her advantage!

Good luck suckers! I'm off to sell more ebooks on StormPay - you know, that company that is STILL doing business!

Oh, and before I forget, Yes, it was wrong of StormPay to freeze accounts without giving prior warning, but I think if you read their Terms & Conditions, you'll see that they actually invoke the right to change anything at anytime without prior notice!

As a businessman, I can see the reason for doing this is to ensure their security before being ripped off by Ponzi scheme scammers for example - just like 12DP!

Get a life yourself Jill!

Mark - get some popcorn, I'll bring the beers, and we'll sit back, feet-up and watch these losers cry into the sunset! lol!

Jill, for a start, where EVER, was I even once, remotely 'vulgar' in my posting?

If you check under my name, you'll see I've posted several hundred posts on this site, all unbiased and warranted!

You yourself wrote "unfortunately like any other scam artist he'll try something else...I just hope you buy in" - well, first off, thanks for being ignorant and insulting!

Secondly, Charis Johnson IS trying 'something else', which she hopes all the brainwashed suckers of 12DP will also buy into!
She's going to start a NEW site called 'Newclicks.com'.

Thirdly Jill, (oh, and neither you nor Carl nor anyone else should EVER feel close enough to call me 'Bern'), StormPay has refunded my 'chargeback', and emailed me a letter of apology! So stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

Fourthly, 12DP still has MY MONEY, on hold, as a 'Pending' - NOT StormPay!

I guarantee you that StormPay is going to be around for years - so will Charis Johnson. Unfortunately, she'll be just out of reach of the long-arm of the law each and everytime, because she has the know-how and lack of morals, to rip people off by disguising her Ponzi's as something legitimate!

PLEASE, DO tell me, where the money that Charis Johnson alleges she gets from 'outside sources', has gone????

You know why you can't tell me? Because Charis Johnson is not telling anyone, because it's in her pocket!

Hey, if you want to refuse to believe that 12DP and Charis Johnson are nothing more than a scam, that's upto you.

The rest of us that are not allowing the wool to be pulled over our eyes, will be laughing eventually when you suckers invest more money in CJ and her scams, and get nothing but tears back!

I've got the money back from StormPay, but where is my money that I invested/gave/put into - whatever you want to call it - 12DailyPro?
12DailyPro, and NOT StormPay, has my money! Charis Johnson has the opportunity to provide us with any number of payment processors willing to take her business, but so far, she has refused to take them up on their kind offers.

My other surfing sites, Is-surf.com, aussieearners.com, and a few others, have provided other payment processors after having to change from StormPay. Why can't Charis Johnson do the same for 12DailyPro?

You people just don't want to answer these questions with the FACTS!

Insult me if you must - that just makes me think that Charis Johnson knows what kind of folks you are, and uses that to her advantage!

Good luck suckers! I'm off to sell more ebooks on StormPay - you know, that company that is STILL doing business!

Oh, and before I forget, Yes, it was wrong of StormPay to freeze accounts without giving prior warning, but I think if you read their Terms & Conditions, you'll see that they actually invoke the right to change anything at anytime without prior notice!

As a businessman, I can see the reason for doing this is to ensure their security before being ripped off by Ponzi scheme scammers for example - just like 12DP!

Get a life yourself Jill!

Mark - get some popcorn, I'll bring the beers, and we'll sit back, feet-up and watch these losers cry into the sunset! lol!

Alan you said you never did business with 12 DP???, well then you have no right to even comment...get lost! ...and I do not believe for one minute they paid you...you're lying...and mark, you say 12DP has your money and you printed it out to "PROVE" it?, i'm willing to bet it says "PENDING" just like evryone else's accounts.
pending Pronunciation (pndng)
adj.
1. Not yet decided or settled; awaiting conclusion or confirmation.
2. Impending; imminent.
prep.
1. While in the process of; during.
2. While awaiting; until.

Pending means she DOESNT have it stormpay does..get it through that teeny tiny brain!!!!!

As far as not replying anymore because I can't carry on an adult conversation..yayyy! But you need to scroll up a few posts and re-read some of what you wrote before you point fingers!!
Keep grasping at straws, that's what you're supposed to do when you're drowning!!!
Oh Thanks for the laughs!!!

Hey Mark, You may be right about 12DP. I just got a refund from StormPay from monies that were never in 12DP. All the 12DP lovers should go to the StormPay thread to continue their love fest!

12 dp has my money.How hard is it to understand stormpay payed 12dp.Charis got my money and has not payed me back.Stormpay did not get the money from me. If she put it back in there its her fault, I doubt I will ever get it back.Carl you can play kiddo word games invest or bought but the outcome is the same my money is in 12dp account I have it printed out to prove it.If she lost it or spent it really doesn't matter its gone.I won't reply to you again Carl you can't carry on an adult conversation with out trying to be a smart ***! Stormpay are crooks also, like they say birds of a feather flock together.

12 dp has my money.How hard is it to understand stormpay payed 12dp.Charis got my money and has not payed me back.Stormpay did not get the money from me. If she put it back in there its her fault, I doubt I will ever get it back.Carl you can play kiddo word games invest or bought but the outcome is the same my money is in 12dp account I have it printed out to prove it.If she lost it or spent it really doesn't matter its gone.I won't reply to you again Carl you can't carry on an adult conversation with out trying to be a smart ***! Stormpay are crooks also, like they say birds of a feather flock together.

I just had to chime in ...

Mark,

You state: "Make 12% daily surfing internet on invested monies" You obviuosly didn't take the time to read what the program is really about. If you had, you would know that it's not an investment. It also sounds as if you're reading half stories about Ponzi schemes.

I joined 12 Daily Pro a day before they had their accounts frozen by Stormpay.

Before I joined, I searched the internet for information about 12DP and found nothing but praises. I did however, find a negative comment on Ripoff Report about Stormpay. Against my better judgemnet, I joined and sent Stormpay money. The next day they froze the accounts of several autosurf programs. Seeing the money had not cleared my bank, I sent them a "ticket" to cancel the withdrawal. They took the money anyway the following day. After several attempts to log onto their site, I was fiannly able to do so and requested to have the remaining money placed back in my bank account. The withdrawal request stayed pending for TWO weeks. I even filed a complaint through their own system and it stayed "opened" for two weeks. I never received any correspondence from stormpay. I finally just had my bank do a chargeback and since then, my "account" has been suspended.

It is my opinion that Stormpay is the culprit and not 12DP. I'm far from anyone brainwashed. Nor have I gained anything from anyone else. I knew prior to putting money in that it could very well be lost and the only one to blame would be myself.

Playing autosurfs can be very risky. If you play with ten ... only seven may pay out.

If you've taken the time to read this far ... My advice to you is to slow down, take it all in and then make a educated decision based on what works best for you. Diversify.

Before you get a chance to say "i didnt say "invest" I said "I did not have mutiple accounts I put money in a business"..i know you meant the same thing so your point is moot(oh no big word!)..also you said. ."She put the money in stormpay not me" ..well explain to me how you funded your stormpay account, charis didn't put money in there and she didnt twist your arm to join 12 DP...get a life dude and dont quit your job at burger king thats the one company you can count on!

I am not a supporter of 12 daily pro, and I am certainly not brainwashed! If you read CAREFULLY Bernie you would have seen I said I'll take a guess and assume Mark is blaming 12 Daily Pro ALONE and not Stormpay"
I do blame 12 daily pro a little but my only gripe about 12 daily pro is they haven't fought for us, they did not steal my money, now my gripe with Stormpay, They did steal my money, they went into my bank account and took money w/o permissionbingo all the evidence I need! My Bank agreed!
I just think if you're going to slam someone you need to provide some hard evidence of your accusationsand do it without being vulgar please.
You have shown me nothing! I can read a thousand posts just like yours on any given message board!
You'll see, that's all I have to say to you.
ps you'll lose that bet..stormpay will be out of business this time next year...maybe sooner, but unfortunately like any other scam artist he'll try something else...I just hope you buy in.
have a nice life.

Thats your proof bernie??? You don't have any more proof than mark does, you're just mad because you can't get your money and you're blaming 12DP...boo h*o!
I am ANTI STORMPAY, I was a 12DP member 3 weeks before stormpay froze and never once recieved a payout, but I'm smart enough to know how finacial accounts work and if 12DP's account was frozen (illegally) How in the world was 12DP supposed to access thier money and make payouts??? tell me oh wise one!! since you know it all!!!bla!
AS far as what Jill posted she's 100% correct...I have proof stormpay did something illegal (Stormpay accepted funds for 12DP AFTER they froze the account of 12DP, they should have informed me the account was indeed frozen, they did not!) and that proof got my money back and will send STORMPAY owners to prison w/ or w/o 12 dp owners I don't care...its theft!...where's your proof bern???
And mark you said you didn't have multiple accounts and you only INVESTED in a business? well there's where you made your mistake, so you have no right to complain or to any money back.
PURCHASED would have been the key word there.
Maybe 12DP wasn't the best company I delt with I'll be a man and admit that but Stormpay in my personal experiences is alot worse THATS ALL I'M SAYING!!!!!

I did not have mutiple accounts I put money in a business. She can blame it on stormpay or a rodeo clown. But she is the one with my money. She is the one who ripped me off. I hope she has a convention in my lifetime I will be there with a bill.She put the money in stormpay not me don't blame another company Charis you put it there or did you?You may have a bunch of brain dead customers but I am not one of them. How you paying you electric bill and grocery's? I know my money.

I've been using StormPay for a couple of years now, and the ONLY time I've not been happy with them is when they sent money back to 12DP as a 'chargeback'.

I've yet to get ANY money back from 12DP.
They don't respond to emails, I can't get into the forum anymore, and 12DP has failed to provide anyone with an adequate money processor, despite being approached by Neteller, Moneybookers, AlertPay (who say they will take ANY business) and various others.

Charis Johnson is a scam artist and has a list of convictions for similar offences.
She once even claimed that she fired all her staff to save money to pay everyone, but then the next day posted messages on 12DP's site stating that her staff were working hard to process payments!

She has made no attempt to pay anyone as far as I can tell. A few have received payments via EMO, but people who invested with her business abroad, cannot use EMO, hence they lost millions!

And what about the convention? Charis Johnson cancelled it just THREE days beforehand, stating that she feared 'riots, terrorism and media reprisals'. Very good Johnson, set up a convention that you had no intention of doing in the first place, just to make people really think that you're legit!

Any of you suckers that truly believe you'll see your money again are truly brainwashed. If you're stupid enough to believe the lies of 12DP and blame StormPay for the corruption of 12DP, then you deserve to lose your hard-earned cash!

I'm betting StormPay will still be in business years from now, while hopefully, Charis Johnson will be scrubbing toilet floors behind bars!

Mark,

It appears that there is some kind of bad blood between you and Charis Johnson of 12dailypro.

Your allegations have no basis whatsoever.
Do you know that 12dailypro has not missed a payment since its iception middle of last year?

And it is precisely because of that that the program grew very fast and has a membership base of more than 300,000.

I believe you are one of those who violated the rules and got ticked off by Miss Johnson for perhaps having multiple accounts.

If you are really been paid all this while, your current outburst is no different from this a "screwed-up" guy:

He began to swear at his father for buying him this brand new car when he (this guy) drove it down the road only to be rammed and smashed-up by some idiotic mad guy driving at 200mph and jumping redlights!

The guy who smashed your car is not your daddy: He bought you the car!

IT is the mad driver who did all the damage by not following any traffic rules!

That guy who smashed up the dreams and destroyed the dreams of many others is STORMPAY.

You know where they put "mad" driver.

The question is where shall the Authority put the operators of Stormpay!!

"You lost money and are 100% happy come and see me I will make you jiz your shorts. Think before you lie maybe where your from its believable in Oklahoma its bull!!!!.If you laughed at this scam watch 20 20 they are molesting kids there sicko."

I have no clue what this post/message was supposed to convey but I'll take a guess and assume Mark is blaming 12 Daily Pro alone and not Stormpay (where molesting kids came from is anyones guess, I'm still confused about that comment).

Mark you need to provide facts with your accusations, Anyone can point fingers...I can say stormpay is a scam but unlike you I HAVE the facts to prove it (just ask), all you've provided is hear say and rubbish, nothing concrete whatsoever (They should have never been allowed to be posted without proof in my opinion)....all you have to do is look at Stormpays fan club right here on ripoffreport.com. and you'll see all the proof you need, I think in the long run you'll see stormpay as the real scam artist here; you may never have enough guts to admit you were wrong but you are.

A final note: When you joined 12 Daily Pro did you say to yourself "yeah I'm in a ponzi! Woohoo!" NO you didn't so don't accuse us of knowingly participating in a ponzi!

You lost money and are 100% happy come and see me I will make you jiz your shorts.Think before you lie maybe where your from its believable in Oklahoma its bull!!!!.If you laughed at this scam watch 20 20 they are molesting kids there sicko.

Mr Mark,
Because NO ONE puts this much effort into slamming a company without a reason and since my experiences with 12DP have been nothing but 100% positive I have come to the conclusion that you obviously are one of the cheaters that got caught with multiple accounts, and if so YOU are the true thief/liar...first of all 12DP is not a ponzi...In a true ponzi only the top people get paid, some middle investors will also be paid to entice new investors and the shlubs at the bottom (me) do not get paid then it collapses and thousands lose money not just you!, and it certainly does not continue to operate and update members... if you did your homework like any intelligent person would do you'd see that stormpay is the reason behind all 12DP woes ...anyone who did not recieve payouts are either cheats or were too ignorant to set up the payout processor correctly...which were you?
Stormpays going down!!!!!!!!

12 daily pro blames stormpay

12 daily pro blames stormpay

12 daily pro blames stormpay

12 daily pro blames stormpay

I had to laugh at this one. In a ponzi scheme, the people who get in first, get their money from the people who come in later. The people who come in later or last get caught "holding the bag" and lose out. The early people, who get their money and profit, are usually used as an example by the crook/crooks to show the folks coming in later, what a good "deal" it is. What this guy proposes is that the early people forgo their money and profit so someone later on, won't lose any or all their money.

I had to laugh at this one. In a ponzi scheme, the people who get in first, get their money from the people who come in later. The people who come in later or last get caught "holding the bag" and lose out. The early people, who get their money and profit, are usually used as an example by the crook/crooks to show the folks coming in later, what a good "deal" it is. What this guy proposes is that the early people forgo their money and profit so someone later on, won't lose any or all their money.