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3W Marketing Illegal Solicitation, Pyramid scheme, tax fruad, lies about payment Cherry Hill New Jersey
IF you go online and see 3w marketing, titan marketing, magnum marketing, spartan management team, choice promotional group, CAM advertising...stay away...they are all linked and do the same illegal activity.
I worked there for 4 months and the only benefit I got out of it was to learn what to look for in the future. I was young and need for a job and saw their add for sports marketing and it sounded good so I gave it a shot. I know the whole system so read this and decide for yourself.
You apply online. You will get a call back that day or the next day. You go in for the first round interview which may be by the owner of 3w named doug asher or one of his managers brenden, darcy or some other young person. They will barely ask you anything about yourself they will talk to you and tell you that 30 people are interviewing and they want to call back 6 or 7. I was a leader there the truth is they schedule all 30 to come back. Your second round interview will be from 10-830. You wil be taking out on a door to door or business to business shadowing day where you watch someone solicit illegally. They will tell you that you get 500 a week or somethin like that. Its 100 percent commision. If you work in home improvement you go door to door and try to get people to sign up for free estimates.
They will tell you over and over again that they only want 2-3 people to get the job. The truth is 95 percent of the people who interview realize what is going on and leave. Now the company DOESNT GET PERMITS to solicit which is illegal. If you get stopped by the cops which happened to me almost every day in the last 2 months of working there the company says you are an independant contractor and they hold no responsibility. Once the day is done they offer you the job but pressure you to start in one day or less than a week.
If you start you solicit illegally business to business or door to door. You take your own car and have to drive multiple people who they keep trying to bring in. You have to use your own phone and pay your own gas. You only get paid on the amound of certificates you sell while you get $9 or the leads you generate for home improvement. If you get written up twice in a township you will get fined 300 or 400 dollars. The company will refuse to pay and Doug or another manager will yell at you for having a negative attitude. They curse people out and say if you cant hit your sales goals there you should go kill yourself cause you are a worthless piece of s**t.
There is no salary and no benefits. They dont pay taxes so if you try this job out you better save accurate records so you dont get in trouble with the IRS. Even if you are on doing extremely well and avoid the police and make 600 a week you need to pay for your own taxes, your own benefits, your own phone and car (which you will use everyday with this job) and cover lunches everyday. The hours are 9 am - 9 p.m. Monday to Friday and 9am to 6 p.m saturday. There were day I would not get home until 1030 or 11 p.m. and make 50 dollars for the day.
Doug Asher will manipulate you into signing a independant contractor form. The truth is independant contractors make their own hours and only have to report to an office once a week. You are required to be there at 9 a.m. everyday and work till 8 door to door and then go to the office for another hour and half. If you ask about taxes or permits or you get kicked out by the cops you will get cursed out and harrased. They change the name all the time.
After 4 to 5 months 99 percent of people who work there leave because of all the debt they mount up. ALl the meetings all about how much money you can make and how you shouldnt worry about your financial situation now because in 2 years you will be worth a million dollars or something stupid like that. They encourage you to spend less and less time about family because they will only ruin your chances of making a lot of money. They force you to go on roaptrips to other offices and sleep on floors to help solicit for their other locations.
You pay for everything yourself. They COVER NOTHING. It is all apart of SMART CIRCLE. There is no employment contracts and if you ever need to have one day off they curse you out and rip you apart. STay away and be careful of these places
Trueinfo25
villanova, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.
2 Updates & Rebuttals
Trueinfo25
villanova,Pennsylvania,
U.S.A.
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#3Author of original report
Thu, February 28, 2008
I understand what you are saying. I did go on the interview and I wouldnt have taken the job if I did not know what I was in for with the business and business and door to door sales. I sold certificate packages. Things have changed in the last 2 years. All the managers there would always threaten my job if I had an off day. He would curse me out and if I couldnt attend a 930 P.M. leaders meeting they threatened my job. I talked to a guy who worked in home improvement a little while ago and he said the same thing that he had been written up by the police for illegal sollicitation as well. The problems I had were that they never told me I would have to drive other people around, and that we never were legally working in those areas. They poke fun at peoples races and religions and I couldnt survive on 9 dollars a card.
Schmidty76
Lower Merion,Pennsylvania,
U.S.A.
I understand both sides to be fair....
#3UPDATE EX-employee responds
Wed, February 27, 2008
I was originally going to come on here and file a report against US Airways for being the worst airline ever, but I got to searching and I came across this. I used to work there 2 years ago, and I do agree with some stuff you wrote, I think it's pretty unfair to claim everything you wrote. My story is as follows:
I started there and just like you stated, I went on a full day interview. The thing is, you get to see the B2b sales and residential sales on that interview, so it's not like Doug is hiding anything when he does the interviews. I can't tell you how many comapanies I interviewed with that never told me anything and sure enough, by about the 3rd interview they'd have me watch a video and ask for money, but that's a whole 'nother story.
I agree they take almost anyone, but then again, if you ran a sales company, the more reps you have in the field, the more money you make. The reason turnover is high is because the managers always said, " Give everyone a chance." But there were people in our office going to the movies all day and playing pool instead of going to the field, so they would ream all of us leaders out for not "manging our people". I just wish those people never would've been brought aboard in the first place, but obviously more reps equals more $$ for the company. Once, you are there for 3 days or so, you know this though, it's not a secret or anything. I disagree about the dishonesty thing though.
My first day, the manager explained that I was an Independent Contractor and said to save my receipts and that I would pay taxes at years' end. ( I actually got to write off mileage, meals, retrains, etc....I made around $500-$600 and after my write-offs I only had to pay $211 for my taxes for my 4 months in the field). I had a hard time moving up there though because my girlfriend and I were going to get married and she was 4 months pregnant when I started, but Doug never said, "Hey you suck" or "I am going to blow you out." I will never forget it, he'd always say, "It's your business, do what you you have to do." Of course it was said with a little bit of sarcasm, but that's the way he was. He always told us he was more Bill Belicheck than Mike Tice....I know some nights I was so pissed at him, but I have had WAY WAY worse bosses. At least Doug was very upfront about what he wanted out of me....
Anyways, I eventually burned out, but when I quit, I told Doug and he actually wasn't pissed at all. He just said the timing was wrong due to my current marriage and baby-on-board situation. He wrote me a 2 page letter of recommendation and it helped me get my next job so that was cool. In the last 2 years, I've gotten married and my wife is pregnant again. I am now working at a P.R. place where my hours are cushy, but I make next to nothing. I actually learned a lot working there, and Doug even took me to a few basketball games cause the team was our client, and he's the only boss that ever WANTED to meet my family, probably cause my wife thought I was cheating on her at the time because I worked so much. But still..
I know I was bitter too for about 3 months after I quit and I was upset about certain things, but looking back, it just wasn't for me...I get too pissed at people that tell me "no", but I also (now 2 years removed) don't think it was because the company is at fault. After 3 days there, you know how everything works and they are very open about it. The business model obviously works for people that are right for it, I even saw 2 guys get promoted and go open up offices when I was there. I just think the business (sales and recruiting) and especially the LLLOOONNNGGG HOURS aren't for everybody. People get burnt out and quit, and then blame the manager or the company. I just chalk it up to it not being for me, that's all....Hope this helps, if it's for you great, go run offices, if you're like me and you want to be home for your kids lives, then it isn't, but make your own judgement