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Adam Ginsberg Consulting ripoff Los Angeles California
I ordered the following:
Inventory AG Website ($179.00) X 1 = $179.00
Presentations AG Website ($179.00) X 1 = $179.00
Real Estate AG Website ($179.00) X 1 = $179.00
Cars AG Website ($179.00) X 1 = $179.00
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Total = $716.00
United States = $25.00
Grand Total = $741.00
I had troubles trying to get the rest of the partial order. After waiting for so long I requested a refund. I sent the items back with a postal signature required and they signed for it. The have refused the refund. I have contacted them by phone, email, voicemail, and in letter form. Still no response.
Goto google and put in the keywords "adam ginsberg" and complaint. You will see others who have problems with him also.
I tried to goto the bank and file a REG E but they said being that I had authorized the transaction that they couldn't do anything about it.
Charles
FRANKLIN PARK, Illinois
U.S.A.
5 Updates & Rebuttals
Peter Fry
Dublin,Internet,
Ireland
Adam Ginsberg....if I'm a stalker he is a pathetic individual.
#6REBUTTAL Individual responds
Wed, September 22, 2010
Adam Ginsberg is putting up false posts which do not allow comments. I paid over $5000 for a coaching course and posted the actual logs which I will do again here. A lot of money and one would expect top level coaching. The coaching turned out to be from a 3rd party who they discontinued using due to what was going on.His sidekick Adam Steinberg told me they had issues with the coaching when I subsequently met him in Dublin about 6 months later.
I continue to ask for my money back, please look at these logs and put yourself in my place.
Then read about the product he subsequently launched called Seedlings, go ahead and Google it. He really should be stopped!
So, here are the actual logs
For a start coaching videos did not work.....
3:07pm - Tigh - Have you tried contacting builder support?
I called the number given but couldn't get through to them. This was the last straw as far as I was concerned. When I told one of the coaches my aim was to sell directly to Americans from Doba (as Adam said this is how you make money from the stage in Dublin), the first point he raised was for me to sell, I had to have seller feedback. He then went off to check something and a few hours later informed me he had gone off and established that until I had 20 seller feedbacks, if I put a Doba item up for auction and was successful getting a buyer, I had to buy the product first then they would ship it and 30 days after the buyer had bought it, I would get my money then. This obstacle would be overcome when I had 20 seller feedbacks. So, faced with no choice in the matter I have had to spend my time trying to get 20 seller feedbacks. I have put up items about 40 times (more cost!) and so far got 13 sellers. This time delay is seriously annoying me and furthermore, I cannot continue with the coaching and get moving until I have achieved this.3:07pm - Mr. Fry - who are builder support?
3:08pm - Mr. Fry - surely Im not the only one with this problem?
3:09pm - Mr. Fry - Ive good broadband here, never a problem with other videos
3:10pm - Tigh - There are people who have problems with the videos but it isnt very often. Builder support is contacted at ext 2011
I have been trying to get one of the coaches to identify one product just one in the full Doba range that is selling well on eBay, having looked at the elite sellers list within Doba the best selling products only had a handful sell on eBay in the month when one looks at the eBay completed items list for that particular item. Doba when questioned about this told me that the best sellers are from their catalogue ---so it includes a physical catalogue as well?
Here is a conversation from Friday 22nd May, I was pointed to look at an example site (((Redacted)))
1:05pm - Mr. Fry - ok, Ive randomly clicked on Corvette C6 Padded Bar Stool - Black
1:06pm - Mr. Fry - in eBay from 82 to 149
1:08pm - Mr. Fry - on Doba for purchase at 62, shipping estimate 14, listing with eBay fee? Paypal charges? So to start making a profit this needs to sell at?
1:19pm - Tigh - okay, so you will be paying a total of $76. That might be a little tight. Lets check a couple more
---Thats as far as we got that night!
Another time:
2:31pm - Mr. Fry - hi Tigh, you still there?
2:36pm - Mr. Fry - Ive randomly selected another from themanden.com site:
1000 Lucky Bee EDGE SPOT NEXGEN Chips selling for 185.50. On Doba its 148 plus 34 shipping plus eBay listing plus Paypal fees
2:39pm - Mr. Fry - another: NHL Anaheim Ducks Dart Cabinet includes Darts and Board 112.75, on Doba 88 plus shipping 25, handling 4 plus eBay listing and Paypal fees???????
----This had to stop because the live chat facility kept stopping every time I finished typing and he couldn't call me for 40 minutes. When I resumed there was no answers to what I was asking
Anther time:
Hi Tigh, we were working together on identifying one product in the Doba range to put up on eBay. I keyed in screen in the search engine and then clicked on the
MANUAL SCREEN- 100\" ACCUSCREEN, HDTV
Price is 62 plus 18 shipping plus listing fee and Paypal fee (and eBay cut as well?)
I then went to eBay and see two on there one for 90 at auction and the other for 105 buy it now.
I then went to completed listings for this product and see nothing for the past 15 days so I reckon this doesn't fit the bill?
Joshua came through, said he'd look at it, 15 minutes later no response despite me asking Joshua are you there?
The videos don't work in his back-office and the coaches are slow as you can see the time lines above. One week slips i
------------------------------ Frid 12th June
4:11pm - System - Welcome to Live Chat, powered by Thrive. Please stand by while we connect you to your advisor...
4:11pm - Blake - Hello Peter I just tried phoning you
Monday 15th June4:11pm - Mr. Fry - hi Blake, Ive been searching ever since, no joy!
4:12pm - Mr. Fry - mmm phone is beside me here
4:12pm - Blake - phone connection issues, nevertheless I sent you an email of items that are selling on eBay from Doba
4:13pm - Mr. Fry - ok Ill have a look and be back soon, I`ll see how well they are doing in completed items
4:16pm - Blake - on was a cd player that retailed for 100, wholesaled for 20 and most sold for around 50
4:37pm - Mr. Fry - ok, so if i put up the golf clubs i will not have to buy them now?
4:38pm - Mr. Fry - Nike Pro Combo Graphite Forged Iron Set
4:38pm - Mr. Fry - what shipping costs would you suggest?
4:43pm - Mr. Fry - Sony DFJ210 Discman ---no such product on Doba
4:44pm - Mr. Fry - Invicta Automatic Two-Tone Diver Watch -- cant find this also
4:47pm - Mr. Fry - 25 Piece Tool Kit with Light Hiking Set ---no sales in past 15 days!!!
4:50pm - Mr. Fry - 300 free shipping, the clubs would be heavy, so they may have sold---but at a loss or next to loss
4:51pm - Mr. Fry - you there Blake?
4:54pm - Mr. Fry - Blake?
12:45pm - System - Welcome to Live Chat, powered by Thrive. Please stand by while we connect you to your advisor...
12:46pm - Mr. Fry - hi anybody there?
12:49pm - Mr. Fry - if you are there from 8 to 8, where are you now? Where did you disappear to last Friday at 4.50pm?
12:49pm - Mr. Fry - this is where we left off having given me a list of things that I should look at promoting:
12:49pm - Mr. Fry - 4:37pm - Mr. Fry - ok, so if I put up the golf clubs I will not have to buy them now? 4:38pm - Mr. Fry - Nike Pro Combo Graphite Forged Iron Set 4:38pm - Mr. Fry - what shipping costs would you suggest? 4:43pm - Mr. Fry - Sony DFJ210 Discman ---no such product on Doba 4:44pm - Mr. Fry - Invicta Automatic Two-Tone Diver Watch -- Cant find this also 4:47pm - Mr. Fry - 25 Piece Tool Kit with Light Hiking Set ---no sales in past 15 days!!! 4:50pm - Mr. Fry - 300 free shipping, the clubs would be heavy, so they may have sold---but at a loss or next to loss 4:51pm - Mr. Fry - you there Blake? 4:54pm - Mr. Fry - Blake
12:49pm - Mr. Fry - anybody there?
12:53pm - Tyler - yeah, how can i help you peter
12:54pm - Mr. Fry - where do I start after all this time....
12:55pm - Mr. Fry - Blake spent about two hours Friday with me trying to identify one product just one product from Doba that sells on eBay.... look at the above he sent me and let me know please
12:55pm - Mr. Fry where did he get to from 4.50pmFrid? Why was there a shut down?
12:57pm - Tyler - not too sure, sorry about that...i have a client who sold an outdoor patio set from Doba last week and made some money on it...give me a few minutes to take a look at that product
12:57pm - Mr. Fry - then I get this a short while ago, and its bullshit, because my phone is always with me Dear Peter, Sorry we were unable to get a hold of you. Please email us some times that would work best for us to reach each other over the phone. You can also jump on LIVE CHAT in your elibrary to get a hold of us if you dont want to email, and someone will respond. But remember we are only here in the office Monday through Friday 8:00 - 8:00 Mountain Standard Time zone. So if you have any questions outside those hours please send us an email.
12:58pm - Mr. Fry - how much do you charge for your services each week?
1:01pm - Tyler - we dont have a weekly charge just the initial fee...let me check that listing
1:02pm - Mr. Fry - then whats this invoice about?
1:03pm - Mr. Fry - Purchases Price 6/13/2009 Coaching Monthly (Qty 1 x $39.95) $39.95 n/a Total Purchases $39.95
1:05pm - Mr. Fry - or is it $447 a week you charge? For what? .... Im not getting answers to any of my questions
1:07pm - Mr. Fry - hello?
1:08pm - Tyler - please be patient...Im trying to look at Doba but will stop now in order to answer your questions
1:09pm - Mr. Fry - no keep looking on Doba for one product please Tyler
1:09pm - Tyler - ok, I`ll answer your questions later
1:33pm - Tyler - peter, Im looking in Doba right now but as for the charges please send us the details such as the date, amounts, etc...if you could scan the bill and send that or forward us emails with those charges wed be able to answer what they are
1:44pm - Tyler - Peter, I cant find anything right now...I know that Doba can be profitable but its very hard. Obviously the products are few and far between. eBay prices are too low right now, you`d need to sell those things on a website so you could sell closer to retail price...didnt Drew offer you the free hosting for a few months a little while back?
1:45pm - Mr. Fry - what????? in this great warehouse you cant find one product for me to sell? Thats what I bought into!!! Whats going on?
1:46pm - Tyler - I didnt look through every product in this great warehouse...like I said theyre there but very hard to find
1:46pm - Mr. Fry - not good enough Tyler, fine me a product!!!
1:48pm - Mr. Fry - just one, are you saying I was asked to pay 4447 and it wasnt including great products from a great warehouse that would offer low prices and Id make a LOT of money because of it ---you are now saying DOBA is a bad wholesaler as it doesnt have a wide range of products that sell regularly
1:48pm - Tyler - Sorry Peter, Ive got appointments in just a bit here and dont have any more time to search through their lists. If you choose to continue looking to sell on eBay youll have to look through their lists...if youd like to consider an off ebay website for your sales let me know.
1:49pm - Mr. Fry - hang on a minute are you coaching are not?
1:49pm - Tyler - yeah, I am, Im suggesting that you use Doba to sell on a website as the margins on ebay are hard to find
1:51pm - Mr. Fry - but I signed up for eBay didnt I? I was told it was the thing to get involved in. Now you are saying forget Bay and sell Doba stuff from a website?
1:54pm - Mr. Fry - hello Tyler?
1:55pm - Mr. Fry - is that what you are saying, forget eBay and sell items from DOBA on a website?
1:55pm - Mr. Fry - is that the way forward due to the margins on eBay?
1:56pm - Tyler - Im saying that youre profit margin would be more easily attained through a website...it can be done on ebay (like I said my client sold a patio set last week from Doba that he made money on) but it may be harder to find products with good profit margins to sell on Doba
1:56pm - Mr. Fry - how many of that same product sold in the past 15 days Tyler?
1:57pm - Mr. Fry - from what you are saying I`ll do better on a website and forget eBay
1:57pm - Tyler - not sure I didnt check...we coached him on how to look for products and he did the work on researching them
1:58pm - Mr. Fry - I looked at patio sets last week, check it again now please. The same set he sold, how many sold on eBay in the past 15 days?
1:59pm - Tyler - youre potential profit margins would definitely be bigger, whether you do better and make sales depends on how well you market it...something we can help you with. I dont know the patio set he sold he just told me about it.
2:00pm - Mr. Fry - aw come on look at the patio sets Doba are promoting, then look at eBay completed items..... then tell me how many patio sets sold on eBays completed listings in the past 15 days. Itll only take you a few minutes
2:01pm - Tyler - Im getting on an appointment right now. I dont have time. If Im slow on answering in here thats why
2:02pm - Mr. Fry - hey, Im supposedly a client answer my questions please...all of them!!
2:02pm - Mr. Fry where is the rest of your team? .
2:07pm - Mr. Fry - hello Tyler?
2:10pm - Tyler - Peter, Im on a call right now. If you could get back on the chat one of the other coaches will be able to talk with you.
2.13pm - Mr. Fry - Blake didnt want to deal with the issues on Friday and went missing, I want resolution on this coaching and Doba. As I understand it you ware encouraging me to sell Doba products on a website and forget about eBay because there is no margins there2:12pm - Mr. Fry - but I have to go through things with them from the start, Ive given you a lot there and am awaiting answers. How come I cant get through when I call? Give the others that call and focus on my issues please
2:27pm - Mr. Fry - am I correct in saying that?
2:34pm - Tyler - not saying there are no margins in ebay there just harder to find. Its up to you in the end, but doing a site is my suggestion2:30pm - Mr. Fry - hello Blake is that correct?
2:31pm - Mr. Fry - sorry Tyler I called you Blake :-)
2:35pm - Mr. Fry - it would take a lot of money and time to make 2000/3000 a month on eBay and Doba dont have the products to put on eBay to make that each month?
There is no denying any of the above. Adam may say the buyer/seller feedback issue was wrong and he may be right but thats not what I was coached by them at the time. I asked the organisers of the event in Dublin amongst others to buy an ebook I put up for sale in order to fulfil the criteria ---all recorded by email.2:40pm - Tyler - I cant say they dont because other people have done it...its doable but harder to find those margins
2:44pm - Mr. Fry - maybe in the past a long time ago but not now. You, Blake and me couldnt identify one Doba product over many hours that sells regularly on eBay.
2:46pm - Mr. Fry - I reckon those that do it buy a large quantity of a product from Doba at a preferential rate and can then sell at cheaper than an ordinary person because they have this deal done and consequently can get margins
2:46pm - Mr. Fry - but it takes money and a lot of it to make money
2:58pm - Mr. Fry - wouldnt you agree Tyler?
3:11pm - Tyler - No, theyre doing it exactly as you would, theyve just put in the time to figure out what is profitable and whats not
3:12pm - Mr. Fry - ok then lets go again, fine me one, just one product please!!!
3:13pm - Tyler - Peter, Im headed out of the office right now, if youd like to get back on the chat one of the other coaches can assist you.
3:14pm - Mr. Fry - just put someone on please Tyler
3:15pm - Tyler - you have to request a chat before someone else can get on...thats how the system works
3:15pm - Mr. Fry - so I have to start again?...no progress in two and a ha lf hours
3:17pm - Tyler - I explained to you earlier that Id shared your wants with the others. Theyre are ready to help you but Im on my way out. Hope you decide to get on again with one of the others. Bye.
All I ever asked for was my money back from this millionaire but there is no compassion in him whatsoever so we are where we are
CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.
Adam ginsberg customer care
Los Angeles,California,
U.S.A.
Peter Fry is a Stalker
#6UPDATE Employee
Fri, June 11, 2010
Peter Fry continues to post false commentary on the internet with the sole intent of blackmailing our company. You can read all about his story here for the real truth:
http://somepeopledontgetit.com
Charles
FRANKLIN PARK,Illinois,
U.S.A.
Update of Adam Ginsberg
#6REBUTTAL Owner of company
Sat, June 13, 2009
Ok Adam Ginsberg. Let's say that I didn't complaint about your product or services.
How can you explain still so many more complaints still happening on today?
What's that legal term that means "Let it speak for itself!"
If the legal system doesn't do anything against you, then you have outsmarted the law and proven crime does pay.
Even after your employee's leave their job, how do they put on a resume that they supported a rip off artist?
Cinda
Salt Lake City,Utah,
U.S.A.
Let's Clarify This Further
#6UPDATE Employee
Sat, October 21, 2006
This person who made these claims is running an Internet scam.
Not only was he issued a refund, but he filed a complaint with his credit card company - who in turn issued him a refund as well.
It's interesting that someone would post a public comment online that is so blatantly false.
This person was issued a refund twice - is now $725 AHEAD...and still filed a complaint.
We do everything possible to resolve all issues and will do our best to do so at all time.
Kari
Customer Care Manager
Chris
Los Angeles,California,
U.S.A.
No refunds - Sent check anyway.
#6UPDATE Employee
Mon, January 10, 2005
In responce to being ripped off by Ginsberg Consulting,
Customer made purchase -
RETUNRED AFTER REFUND POLICY
Sent check anyway.