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  • Report:  #641560

Complaint Review: Auto Bank Center

Auto Bank Center Sold me a BAD used car with ruined engine! Miami, Florida

  • Reported By:
    southfl87 — Hialeah Florida United States of America
  • Submitted:
    Fri, September 17, 2010
  • Updated:
    Tue, September 21, 2010
  • Auto Bank Center
    16475 South Dixie Highway
    Miami, Florida
    United States of America
  • Phone:
    3052381711
  • Category:

I am disheartened by the lack of character and integrity in the business of AUTO BANK CENTER, where they sell used cars.


On March 22, I became the owner of a 2003 Toyota Matrix from AUTO BANK CENTER. The Salesman, Carlos, told me the car as well maintained and though it has quite a few miles (129,759) it is in great condition, he said he even wished there was such a car out there when his daughter, of my age, when to buy a vehicle. I went with my dad, who is 75 years old, and my mother to see and purchase the vehicle. Total cost (with fees, taxes, title): $8292.22 . My dad bought the car cash on the spot. I was so happy, since I never had such a nice car. It was bought as is, and with no warranty. I soon find out that the car did not have an oil change or anything when it was given to me, I soon after when to AUTO BANK CENTER, and they said they will pay for an oil change next door where there is a mechanic shop that they work close with. I was never told there was any problem with the car then, (At this state, any sludge should have been reported and told to me).


As I am on my job search, I decided I want to move to Texas as I enjoyed my 2 week vacation there from Aug 12-23, so I when I came back, on August the 28th, I wanted a tuneup done to the car with oil change and everything so my car would be in good shape to drive 22 hours to Texas when the time came. I was told there was sludge in my motor, which was not my fault but the from the previous owner. I was charged $556.74. Basically, I would need a new motor he advised me, though we can try to do frequent oil changes to fix the problem (didn't mention anything about flushing the motor, a process I found out elsewhere).


On September 12, I am on the highway, West 826 by the NW 37 ave exit, and my car begins to slow down, though I am accelerating, until it comes to a stop. I have the car towed to my home, $65.00.


I take the car to the mechanic right by my home, Dave's Kar Kare (spelled with K's) and they tell me the engine is shot, that the timing CHAIN broke, which one needs to open the head of the engine to see if a piston broke or a valve bend (though Toyota's are not known for bending, but I was on the highway going 55-60 mph), most likely I would need a new engine. They also found A LOT of sludge which comes from not maintaining the vehicle with proper oil changes. This shop was so great and helpful and tried various ways of helping me: contacting my dealership, telling me my various repair options, and asking others about legal advice). One of their mechanics called AUTO BANK CENTER and asked them about the engine. I had only driven the vehicle for about 4400 miles in 4 months, and it was impossible for me to have caused that damage to the motor. Carlos said I bought the car as is, and there's nothing I can do. The mechanic was civil and calm and told them we would take legal action, and Carlos said he couldn't talk and hung up. I decided to go personally to the dealership which had recently changed locations within the 4 months I bought the car. I spoke with Bobbie, another salesman I assume, and told me he that he was upset that the car was sold to me like this, since he has Moises (the mechanic that was next to their business) check all the cars prior to selling them. He told me he would have a look at my vehicle in a shop of one of the owner's friends, they even towed my car their for no cost to me. I was happy. I thought wow there IS justice. My car was towed to ANWAR AUTO REPAIR in 10880 SW 186 ST BAY 61, MIAMI, FL 33177. Now my car was by my house in the mechanic shop on 4102 East 4th Ave., Hialeah, FL 33013, about 25 miles away, very far from home.


The next day I get a call from Anwar, owner of Anwar Auto that the car needs a new engine, he did not take the head from the engine, just determined from the amount of sludge on the motor that it needs one. He gave me a price of $1200. I told him that the dealership was paying for it. Anwar said he spoke with them and that the dealership was not paying for it, that they lowered the price for me and are giving me a good deal. I called the dealership and they told me the same, that it is not their fault, that I had the car for 4 months and that I let the timing chain break. (I called Toyota Services and they told me that sludge COULD break even a timing CHAIN). Now if their mechanic is basing the fact that I need a new motor on the sludge alone, how could I have caused that? He did not even properly take the motor apart and see the problems with the pistons, valves, or anything else. I called Anwar, the mechanic, and told me itwas $700 for the engine, $500 to install it. I ask how many miles are in this $700 motor: He couldn't tell me. He did not know how many miles were in this $700 engine. I told him well I'd want one with about 30,000-40,000 miles, Anwar told me that would be much more expensive. I told him I would want an engine that you can certify the amount of miles on it, Anwar said he would get back to me and let me know the amount of miles. I called him 2 more times, did not know...he told me to call within 15 minutes, I call back, call is ignored, I call again- no answer.


I go personally to the dealership with my dad the next day. Bobbie is not there. Habib, the owner of the dealership was not there yet. Carlos the salesman was, but no use talking to him. I wait for the owner, he says that it is not their responsibility, I owned the car for 4 months, they gave me a good car... he could not speak english well and deliver ideas clearly. I told him well can you at least tow the car back. He said sure sure. For me to use the same tow company, and to call the mechanic shop to release the car. Habib said it would be a cheap rate like $35-40, I said I wasn't paying, last time Bobbie paid, Habib said ok. I call the mechanic, I told him I am picking up the car today, and he told me in a very nasty tone that if I don't get it today I will incur storage fees. I told him I will call the dealership's tow company to get it today but I don't know if they will, I can't control that. I told them I was not paying for storage fees and that those can be billed to Habib, Anwar said I would have to pay if the car is not picked up today. After pointless arguing, I hung up. I call the tow guy, and he tells me he can get it today and asked who was paying, I said the dealership, he said ok. He calls back and lets me know that they are not paying, it's $100 since its a far distance. I told him I'd call the dealership, and Carlos answers, and Habib is with a customer supposedly. Carlos tells me they are not paying because I am not getting my car fixed with Anwar, and they are not at fault, and that I had the car for 6 months (though I kept telling him I only had it for 4). He told me I bought the car as is. And I told him they sold me a bad car and they know they did! He told me I could get a lawyer and sue them, that's why we live in America. Now I have to pay $100 to tow my car back from a place that I did not even choose!!



Is there anything I can do to fight this? I know I bought it as is, but only under the impression the car was in good condition and well taken care of, which a mechanic they work with, Moises from Tech Motors, did an oil change about 1-2 weeks after getting the car, which AUTO BANK CENTER has the receipt that they paid about $69. Why wasn't I told of sludge then??? 

5 Updates & Rebuttals


Ronny g

North hollywood,
California,
USA

There may not be much you can do legally..

#6Consumer Comment

Tue, September 21, 2010

..whether this dealer lied to you or not


From what I gather...the engines available on the Matrix (XR and AWD have a 1zz-fe and the XRS has a 2zz-ge) are both interference engines. However they both use a timing chain and not belt..so it should have lasted the life of the engine.

This vehicle has 130,000 on it, and there was really no way the dealer could know when/if the timing chain would break. No matter where you buy a used car from..if you buy it "as-is" with no warranty, you are screwed if the engine goes. But the sludge is a concern.

The only way around this legally, would be if in any ad or writing the dealer stated the timing chain in this vehicle was new, but it is discovered it was original.

It is correct that the engine sludge is a sign that perhaps this vehicle was not well maintained, overheated..or at least it may have not had regular oil changes and/or crappy oil was being used. Since a timing chain is lubricated using the motor oil..that may explain why it broke. But they did an oil change and it's a 7 year old car with 130,000..so they may not have noticed it just from doing an oil change. However it may have been seen when they remove to oil cap to put the new oil in..but who knows if they even looked or checked for this?

I do suggest you have a mechanic you can trust do a leak down to see if a valve or piston was damaged before paying to remove the head..do you recall hearing any metallic knocking noises when the chain broke?

As far as this dealership doing anything..it really does not matter if they said "good condition, cream puff, cherry" or anything. All that matters legally is what is in writing. They may have known about the sludge..or may not..point is it had 130,000 on it and was sold to you "as-is". I doubt they will give you a deal on an engine with low miles because of this. But if they do anything that will save you money at this point...you might want to consider. An engine swap can be expensive.


Francis

tangent,
Oregon,
U.S.A.

dont get mad get even

#6Consumer Comment

Sun, September 19, 2010

here's something you can do, that will impact the auto company's business. file a complaint with your local deptartment of Justice. tell them what this company put you through and the cost that you were charged. and see if this does not change that company's attitude. These company's have come to know that the average american can be scamed by these greedy SOB's, But the DOJ puts real fear into them. hold them hostige now. Put the fear of god in them for4 once.


Jim

Millbrook,
Alabama,
U.S.A.

Master Mechanic Jim here

#6General Comment

Sun, September 19, 2010

The Salesman, Carlos, told me the car as well maintained and though it has quite a few miles (129,759) it is in great condition,


A flat lie, he has no way to know that.


I used to work for Toyota (Among others) usually their engines are "Freewheeling" (Meaning no valve/piston interference) But since you didn't say, and some are not, so I have to guess.


First of all you need to know these engines usually use a BELT not a chain (Some do, but not many Toyota's HAVE a chain) and the life is around 80,000 when they let go, so you had an exceptionally long timing belt life (Very Good)


I doubt the engine is ruined, Call the Biggest, Most prominent Toyota dealership nearest you and ask if it is an "interference engine" or not, since nobody has actually looked I think you're getting scammed (Hence the fight about "Storage",) if you won't let them "Put in a new engine" (meaning fix the engine and overcharge you) they'll screw you on "Storage".


here's what you need to do, if the engine is a "free-wheeler" simply have a new timing chain/Belt put in, and the engine re timed (All one Job) you also need to ask if there's sludge or not.


If there is sludge NO IT WILL NOT BREAK A TIMING CHAIN/BELT, simply have the oil pan removed and cleaned out, use Castrol from there out and forget it (I recommend 10/40 and a new oil filter EVERY 3.000 MILES)


Note this is two different jobs.


If you do both repairs, the repair price (including Parts) will be around $1400,00, and the car should be good for another  Hundred and fifty thousand (Or until you get tired of it, (don't forget a new belt around 80/90 thousand from now)


If it IS an interference engine THEN you have more serious problems and should look for a remanufactured engine (Good as new and uses a used re bored block, new pistons, rings and crankshaft, essentially a new engine at about 2/3 the price, depending on the damage (Yes an interference engine WILL be either a bent valve and/or hole punched in the piston, and need removal and replacement)


In short you need more info, I doubt the engine needs replacement. Just repair, who knows? maybe the only thing it needs is a new timing belt.


Good luck, stop shopping at cut-rate garages and go with a dealership next car.


Jim


coast

USA

Live and learn

#6Consumer Comment

Sun, September 19, 2010

How many miles did you test drive the car?



Did you consult the Kelley Blue Book or Edmunds web site? You overpaid about $3000.


A 7 year old Toyota with 130000 miles for $8300. Sold as is. Live and learn.


Flynrider

Phoenix,
Arizona,
USA

The meaning of "as is"

#6Consumer Comment

Fri, September 17, 2010

"I know I bought it as is, but only under the impression the car was in good condition and well taken care of"

  No, you bought it "as is".   That means you accept the car as it is at the time you sign the purchase agreement.   That is why prudent buyers have a trusted mechanic check out any prospective used car purchase before signing on the dotted line.   If you don't bother to do that, you're just rolling the dice.  

"Moises from Tech Motors, did an oil change about 1-2 weeks after getting the car, which AUTO BANK CENTER has the receipt that they paid about $69. Why wasn't I told of sludge then???"

  You can't detect sludge buildup from a simple oil change. 

  Bottom line is that you bought this car "as is" and drove it for what appears to be 6 months before the timing chain broke (whether or not that was caused by sludge is questionable).   Since it had no warranty, you'll have a very tough time holding the dealer responsible.

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