Bay Area Business Council Promised Credit line for fee Taped commitment and not offer dissed by their so called customer service beware of tactics Largo Florida
Re: BABC scam -AKA Bay Area "Business" Council
I was contacted by a man in may who stated that because of my good credit I had qualified for a credit card with a $4000.00 credit Line. All he needed was a $200.00 fee to get it. I saw an opportunity to consolidate. I said yes...BIG MISTAKE!
I was then transferred me to a woman. She she made an additional long distance service offer on a free trial basis. I agreed to it...after all a it's a small price to pay for the promised credit Line. she took my info, check account number to cover the fee.
In June, charges showed up on the phone service (Ephone). I called the phone service. I could not contact a human. However based on the tape message, I discovered that I could not use the phone service wihtout a supplied PIN. I got charged for a service that I had no access to. I called bank to dispute the charge.
Something wasn't right. I then called BABC. A woman answered. I asked for the status of my $4000.00 credit card. She I had no $4000.00 credit line. She said that I signed up for a Zero credit card account.
She then played a tape. The Tape had everything I agreed to except the inital contact and offer.
COMMENT: They should have A law throwing out this kind of evidence unless it's recorded from the inital dial up.
I told her the offer was misrepresented and I was LIED TO by the initial contact. She defended the contact "They get paid for making a sale". She added no action would be taken she had three complaints. I ask for a refund. She responded "Why, you already paid for it". I responded "I'm not going to pay $200 for a zero credit line card (WOULD YOU?)". "All sales are final". "Next time listen to the "fine print" Blah... blah... blah.
Scolded by a nineteen year old drop out. These people are brazen and cocky. They've also beleive they are legit. Why? ..they are still in business despite an FBI raid. They are also cowards. They hide behind a phone...no names...no faces...LIARS!!!
I've contacted the bank to dispute this charge. I've closed my account as a counter measure. These people are decietful predators.
-- Scammed in Arizona
Arnold
Rio Rico, Arizona
7 Updates & Rebuttals
Gertie
Largo,Florida,
BABC Shut Down!
#8UPDATE EX-employee responds
Thu, August 22, 2002
It was much happiness that I read in today's paper about the BABC being shut down by state and federal agents. I worked for this company for a short time as a "Customer Service" provider. I listened to a tape one time where the customer was very obviously mentally retarded. I quit shortly thereafter.
Donnas
N Richland Hills,Texas,
Telemarketers from their boiler rooms, are very stupid
#8Consumer Comment
Sun, August 11, 2002
Telemarketers that market for these scam companies from their boiler rooms, are very stupid to think that what they are doing is legitimate. They are employed by theives, and professional crime members (that are very well hidden)
If they don't know this by now, from reading all these complaints, then they must have a very low IQ. I do not understand why they think they can post here and get sympathy from the victims.
They all say about the same thing, that everything is recorded, taped, and documented. WELL.....THEN WHY DON'T YOU TAPE THE WHOLE &*(% CONVERSATION THEN? You know as well as the FTC that you ONLY record the part that does NOT INCRIMINATE YOUR COMPANY!
If you work at Assail, in Utah, You have a very plush job......because that is one of the biggest telemarketing firms in the USA, collecting fraudulent money to send out of this country, and needs to be shut down. If you are an employee there, you are an accomplice to FRAUD!(Do you know where this money is going?)
Your $2 million phone system is very unique, and can have phone numbers from all over, "PINGED" over to you, so they can not be traced.....WHY? If the company is legit, they would not mind....GET A REAL JOB, and stop telling these victims they are ignorant, and do not listen.
Donnas
N Richland Hills,Texas,
Telemarketers from their boiler rooms, are very stupid
#8Consumer Comment
Sun, August 11, 2002
Telemarketers that market for these scam companies from their boiler rooms, are very stupid to think that what they are doing is legitimate. They are employed by theives, and professional crime members (that are very well hidden)
If they don't know this by now, from reading all these complaints, then they must have a very low IQ. I do not understand why they think they can post here and get sympathy from the victims.
They all say about the same thing, that everything is recorded, taped, and documented. WELL.....THEN WHY DON'T YOU TAPE THE WHOLE &*(% CONVERSATION THEN? You know as well as the FTC that you ONLY record the part that does NOT INCRIMINATE YOUR COMPANY!
If you work at Assail, in Utah, You have a very plush job......because that is one of the biggest telemarketing firms in the USA, collecting fraudulent money to send out of this country, and needs to be shut down. If you are an employee there, you are an accomplice to FRAUD!(Do you know where this money is going?)
Your $2 million phone system is very unique, and can have phone numbers from all over, "PINGED" over to you, so they can not be traced.....WHY? If the company is legit, they would not mind....GET A REAL JOB, and stop telling these victims they are ignorant, and do not listen.
Donnas
N Richland Hills,Texas,
Telemarketers from their boiler rooms, are very stupid
#8Consumer Comment
Sun, August 11, 2002
Telemarketers that market for these scam companies from their boiler rooms, are very stupid to think that what they are doing is legitimate. They are employed by theives, and professional crime members (that are very well hidden)
If they don't know this by now, from reading all these complaints, then they must have a very low IQ. I do not understand why they think they can post here and get sympathy from the victims.
They all say about the same thing, that everything is recorded, taped, and documented. WELL.....THEN WHY DON'T YOU TAPE THE WHOLE &*(% CONVERSATION THEN? You know as well as the FTC that you ONLY record the part that does NOT INCRIMINATE YOUR COMPANY!
If you work at Assail, in Utah, You have a very plush job......because that is one of the biggest telemarketing firms in the USA, collecting fraudulent money to send out of this country, and needs to be shut down. If you are an employee there, you are an accomplice to FRAUD!(Do you know where this money is going?)
Your $2 million phone system is very unique, and can have phone numbers from all over, "PINGED" over to you, so they can not be traced.....WHY? If the company is legit, they would not mind....GET A REAL JOB, and stop telling these victims they are ignorant, and do not listen.
Arnold
Rio Rico,Arizona,
response to employee
#8Consumer Comment
Sun, August 11, 2002
Naive huh...again if I had known by the initial contact person that this was a "pay as you go" I would have said "no thanks" and hung up, period!
Their is no tape of the initial contact, so how do you if your boiler room dialers are not offering $10,000.00?..hell if it's "pay as you go" why not a million...the fact is you don't know. You guys don't tape that. what a cop out.
I suggest you tape the initial "hook"...I bet you guy's will go out of business...no way you'll close a deal on a zero credit line card for $200.00
In my book, you guys are crooks.
Donna
N Richland Hills,Texas,
BABC, Perter Porcelli, SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM!
#8Consumer Comment
Sat, August 10, 2002
Here is a webpage, a very nice man made, that is very informative about BABC and Peter Porcelli.
www.cville.com/members/ridenour/babc.htm
Don't forget to file complaints with the FTC, and email the FBI in Tampa: ifcc.tp@fbi.gov
The telemarketing company that does their dirty work is located in St. George, Utah>>>>> ASSAIL, Inc. (Good name for them)
blue
largo,Florida,
not a rip off
#8UPDATE Employee
Sat, August 10, 2002
no one promises a 4000 dollar credit limit
it is a 2000 dollar pay as you go limit which means that you have to put money on the card before using it the recording that you get put on says that very clearly. maybe you should listen and not be so nieve.