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Bettortrader bettortrader.com Kevin Riddell Aka Gold Coast Conmanbettortrader bettortrader.com Bettor Trader Scam Scam Scam Scam Scam Warning Warning Scam Gold Coast Australia
I was looking at this system along with a few others and Kevin Riddell from www.bettortrader.com phoned me up abused and started swearing at me and hung up after accusing me of being a spy! , Upon looking around have found out many more bad things about him including talking to the fair trading department about this and was prompted by seeing another post confirming this company breeching consumer laws, here is an extract from Kevin Riddells way of talking to people that I found on the internet,
I am angry. I am angry at a fool who has chosen with incredible malice, to bring down someone and something HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT in a thread that did not concern him! You are pig headed, ignorant and arrogant to the point that it it doesn't really matter what we have and how well it works because you will ALWAYS have some negative BS to add to it.
You have not answered one question from my previous posts. The Betfair extract was an attempt to show you that the industry DO in fact at times and epending on who you are talking to, refer to themselves as traders and the what they practice as trading.
Now if you'll excuse me, it is Saturday and it IS time to start making money. You see,regardless of all your skepticism and try hard explanations as to HOW IT COULD POSSIBLY NOT WORK FOR US, THE FACT IS IT DOES. SO INSTEAD OF BARKING OUT YOUR ARSE ALL DAY ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU KNOW, PUT IT TO THE TEST. BUT NO YOU WON'T, BECAUSE THE LAST THING YOU WOULD WANT IS TO END UP WITH EGG ON YOUR FACE... WHICH YOU WOULD... AND SOME MAY SAY YOU ALREADY HAVE!! GOODBYE
Not a very nice way to talk to interested people; imagine if you were a customer!
I found out that not only has he changed his name but also has worked for various other racing companies and is also tied up with Larry and Jamie Pickering.
Sparky
Melbourne
Australia
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The Truth
Winston Hills,Australia,
Australia
Bettortrader Bettortrader.com Long Term Client Speaks Out On Kevin Riddell
#3Consumer Comment
Mon, March 03, 2008
My heart goes out to Kevin and his team to have to endure this farce. As a client of many years now I know how much he does for people even for free and well into the late hours of the night.
I do not know too many of his other clients but I know he would rather curl up and die than to do anyone any harm and I know there has never been this type of feeling amongst other users in the live chat groups. Now that's saying something!
One of my staff tells me about viral marketing as a tool to spread good word about your business. I wonder if this is the reverse in action?
As if click-fraud, credit card fraud, and identity theft weren't enough for us to worry about, there is a new threat to businesses and individuals today, and it is known as Internet Hostage Taking' and Cyberspace Attacks' and its perpetrators are nearly impossible to bring to justice.
These attacks consist of false complaints made against an individual or company on a complaint-related website. (Here is a partial list: ComplaintsBoard.com , RipOffReport.com, Furiocity.com. and many more.
These are much different from the authorized complaint boards approved by The Ministry for Family and Consumer Affairs in America and are blatant breeches of our Australian Dept Of Fair Trading, ACCC etc if posted by competition and if posted by an individual they could face conviction.
The person(s) who have made these cruel defamatory remarks have taken advantage of the fact that these sites being in America, are governed by different laws than here so the owners of the sites can not be held liable. At the same time, the person posting is not required to give any foolproof identification meaning anyone can make posts without fear of retribution in the legal system.
These complaints often result in an inaccurate skewing of search results by Google, Yahoo, and other search engines. Then, when a company name is searched, the complaint web page often comes up above or just below the victims' website on the first search result page. This can cause customers and prospective customers to be less inclined to do business with the victim company because they might believe the false information.
There are really two problems. First, the so-called complaint boards have no policy about who files complaints. Anyone can post anything against anyone and it is never checked out or verified. So, the person being complained about may not even know they have a complaint against them and therefore, have no chance to defend their reputation.
The second challenge is that websites like RipOffReport.com often have policies to not remove the complaints posted on their websites whether they are valid or not. RipOffReport.com even states the following on their website "As is our policy, we never remove reports even when they are claimed to contain defamatory statements, and even if the original author requests it." To compound the problem, some complaint websites do not require registration by the person posting the complaint, so there is no way to track fraudulent criticism. The perpetrator can destroy another's internet reputation with little concern for legal recourse against them. Scary, huh?
Wikipedia defines "spamdexing" as "any of various methods to manipulate the relevancy or prominence of resources indexed by a search engine, usually in a manner inconsistent with the purpose of the indexing system." Google and other search engines are aware of the problem and are apparently working to fix it.
sorry, allowing you to give a competitors name would instigate others to just file against their competition, to only come back later to suggest their company, ..plus, if you post a competitors name more than likely they will show up on search engines as a Rip-off! - - your comments on this policy are welcome. CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report. In this case we removed an alleged competitor's name
I'm a solicitor, however this is all well out of my league. I specialise in property law. I know that it is wrong though and I do hope something can be done to help Kevin and family through this debacle.
Good Luck
Sydney NSW Australia
Justadash
Federal,Australia,
Australia
Now for the truth...
#3REBUTTAL Owner of company
Fri, February 15, 2008
I have been Kevin W Riddell (will gladly show GENUINE people my birth certificate etc - it' easy, just ask) since mid June 1970.
Yes I did work for 2 other racing companies many years ago and lasted a very short time at each one. I did not appreciate the way most of them did business in the slightest and found that not being able to use their programs, own them, profit from them or ever be able to speak with clients after the sale, being asked to say that we DID use the program etc was not inline with my ethics and for that reason I ventured out on my own with a vision to be probably one of the only honest racing software companies out there, with more than a cheap 2 bit web scraping software that some con was charging exuberant amounts of money for ranging over the 10 to 20k mark.
The comments made in this persons libel post are made under very similar circumstances and the full thread can be read here...
http://www.cyberhorse.com.au/dcforum/DCForumID2/615.html
As said in reply to all 4 posts obviously made by one person and all on the 12th Feb 2008, this matter is currently being investigated by both our lawyers and the relevant governing bodies. For more info feel free to contact us on the numbers all over the internet.
Cheers,
KEVIN RIDDELL since 1970. LOL