Complaint Review: Bill & Raymond Cloyd

Bill Cloyd is one of the most pompous, arrogant, ego-maniacal people I have ever had the displeasure to deal with.  Don't sign up to work with him.  He has a special hatred for women, and is very condescending to anyone that he doesn't consider to be "hot."  He is a pompous blowhard who cannot produce the results that he promises to teach you how to produce.  He is all talk and no action.  The "proven methods" that he promises, are highly flawed, and many are downright stupid.  In short, Bill doesn't have the goods

 Whatever he charges you for this training, it's going to be too much.  The training will involve him telling you all about how great he is, how expensive his car, and clothes and shoes are, how he has $200 meals, and that if you can't afford to have the same, he made a hiring mistake.  He will trot out the same old tired stories over, and over, and over, and will even laugh in the exact same spots every time.  There is nothing that Bill Cloyd likes more than to hear himself talk, about himself.  Along with his large ego, he has a very large temper, and cannot handle when someone questions or challenges him on anything.  He is incapable of telling the truth and has no problem with twisting and turning the truth to try and stay lily-white, at all costs.  He will NEVER admit to being wrong.

He also has no original thoughts or ideas.  The success stories that he lists on Jupiter Chariots website are not his successes!  They are not the successes of this company.  Rather, most of them are mine, from my clients, and from my sales, from another company where he worked, until he was fired rather unceremoniously.

His phone number lists being in Indianapolis, but my guess is that he is still in South Florida, as he bragged often in his training of using call centers and hiring people in other states to pretend to be him, in setting up business.

I used to feel sorry for his brother Ray, thinking that he was must be unable to get a job anywhere else but with his brother, Bill.  I have come to realize that they are Frick and Frack.  Good cop, bad cop, sort of thing.  In truth, both are as crooked as the other.  Ray just trots behind Bill, smoothing things over, so Bill can continue his circus act.

On a personal note, the picture he uses on his website, shows him  using couch cushions to try and hide his bulk.  He once told an employee that if he had seen her picture before hiring her over the phone, he never would have hired her, as she had slight weight "challenges."  Ironic, since he seems to be "challenged" with his own weight "challenges" himself. He told that employee that one of his former companies, was the largest finance company in the United States for elective weight-loss surgery, and that he could "hook her up" to have gastric by-pass financed.  Looks like he could use his own medicine here! 

Again, the temptation will to accept a job working for them, with the promise of easy money.  The only easy money will be the money that they take from you.  When you ask why you aren't getting the results you were assured would be there, they will tell you that it isn't them, it clearly is that you misrepresented yourself, because they have never made a hiring mistake before!  Once again, throwing a manure ball in your face.  They, meanwhile are laughing all the way to the bank. 

If you are thinking of placing your vehicle with them, DON'T TRUST THEM FARTHER THAN YOU CAN THROW YOUR CAR!  They do not have any of the successes that they claim on their website.  They are claiming the success of others.  I doubt that they have placed any cars on their own. They are frauds of the first order.  You will lose, and lose badly!  Whatever you don't do not get involved with Bill and Ray Cloyd!!