Brookfield ,Brookfield Properties/Banker's Hall Calgary Cheap Employer Got a job, didn't figure out they were cheap and not worth my time till over 100 hours in Calgary Alberta
DO NOT WORK FOR THESE GUYS.
I got a job with them through g4s, and they treat g4s like a temp agency. It takes 2 1/2 years for their benefits to kick in under their system. They pay a market rate for any job in this town, which is fine, but they are cheap and stingy when it comes to raises and you'll have to wait 6 months just to get a measly 45 cent raise. Meanwhile, it cost me over $300 to start with them. The only reason why I took the job was because I was desperate for work, but I quickly realized that they heirarchy is setup such that they have old men who'll sit around surfing the internet and reading news papers while sending the poorer paid and less respected new guy to do all of the work for them. If you want a dead end job with a greedy employer, this is it, if you want to get somewhere in life, tell them where to stick it. Whenever you see a business with a position that is of such poor caliber it usually means the management in that company is inept.
People are not going to work for a 2.9% raise, what the hell do you think inflation is gunna be this year? Inflation is usually 1-3%, if it's 3% it's sound to reason that I get nothing, and therefore this cheap company would pay nothing extra for some one that is reliable and knows the job, essentially I would be worth just as much (based on what they are paying) as the next guy. The minute anybody mentions this losing formula, it's out the door and they get a new guy. They use G4S because if they didn't have it work like a temp agency job, they'd get their a*s sued for wrongful dismissal, that's how cheap and petty of an employer they are, and it's dumbfounding that they'd want their staff to look so good on their behalf but are unwilling to reward them for all the extra expense they incur having to follow their crappy guidelines.
BAD EMPLOYER -- DO NOT WORK FOR THEM. If you are finding this just now and you work for them, time to quit and tell others that they are a waste of time doing business with.
Ryan
Burlington, Alberta
Canada
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Ryan
Burlington,Ontario,
Canada
typo needs corrected
#4Author of original report
Sat, July 11, 2009
ok that's my mistake I mistyped 2 1/2 years.
Here's how it works:
You work there for 6 months, then they hire you, then you need to work (according to what I was informed by eugene) another year, then you get benefits.
Still, this is a proposterous amount of time to spend without benefits.
By the way just for reference, chicken on the way was paying $16 an hour last time I checked, and you didn't have to spend 6 months with almost nothing to show for it just to get hired in-house.
One of the employees mentioned that "I should have given them a chance".
Well, they should have given me a chance.
It doesn't speak very highly of a manager when they can't tell you that you are doing something wrong and that it needs to be corrected before flipping you over.
When your relief is roughly 30 minutes late in the 10 or 11 shifts that I worked at that place, so I had to sit there not getting paid for this extra time -- so having their "higher up the totem pole" staff getting paid probably 50% more than what the poor employees in their gopher positions doing all the leg work.
The manager there for the shift I work would sit and watch movies all night, while sitting was a luxury for a good chunk of the time at that job for me. Why should anybody bust their chops so some two-faced and typically un-confrontational manager can say "just get the job done, and I'm happy" and can't even give a reason, not even when asked directly about it.
Well I'm not a jerk, I covered a shift for someone that was sick, I thought seriously about saying "no" but considering I needed the money since my roommate is out of a job and I'd agree to cover the bills till he gets one, I decided to take this shift.
Well when I'd arrived I was informed that they'd discovered this ripoffreport. That's great. At least I have the brass to go back in and deal with their interrogation, but it seems that they lack the brass to even write a rebuttal to this -- and if they have a problem with my supposed "slamming" of their practices maybe they ought to get the courage to post their rebuttal. Seems they have nothing to say since if they were to respond they really wouldn't have anything horribly negative to say, but either way, I am respected at my new job, I'd love to get hired by my new employer, and they've treated me with a hell of alot more respect than these guys.
I also forgot to mention about their pompous corporate manager that decided to say that "I didn't ever have it so good" because I was getting a free meal. pffft. I've worked for 2 other companies here in town that would buy me meals at least every week or two, and actually one of the employers bought me meals 2-3 times a week. I don't know who the hell he thinks he is to say such a thing, but having gone to their "meeting" which I still haven't gotten paid for even though I mentioned it a few times.
I'm 30 years old, why the hell should I take this crap? Loyalty is bought, and just the stank cheapness that exists there is not buying loyalty.
Anyways I wasn't informed of a couple of their other job perks, but they really wouldn't have sweetened the pot much to make it a desireable position since I don't even have to do 1/4th the work at my new position, and I don't have to be babysat by 3 other more senior employees, in fact, I'm an independent worker and am responsible for a whole 30+ floor building all myself. I'm there early, every single day -- I've been late by 2 minutes only once, and had to cover an employee being late 3 days in a row by 30 minutes recently (though I got paid for it).
To brookfield:
I would have given you a chance had you lowered your 6 month term to a more reasonable 3 months. Furthermore, I expect a dollar raise after 6 months on the job, and for work already contributed regardless if through g4s or not, just the fact that I would have had 3-6 months of experience would make me worth more than .45 cents over some early '20s and less experienced worker. Fact of the matter is, it is no big surprise that after eugene saw my reaction to their REDICULOUS benefits wait time, that was pretty much the last shift I worked there.
As far as I know just because you obtain your employees through g4s does not give you justification to get rid of people "because you don't like them".
Personally I don't let employers tell me what I get, I barter, because as a consumer or provider I deserve to have some power and control over a business transaction, just as much as the opposite does. Telling me what I'll get like some n**i dictator is not FAIR, nor is it just, and had I been there for 6 months and been hired I would have demanded more than 45 cents extra or I would have walked, so perhaps it is for the best that I moved on.
I don't think just anybody would bail you out on such short notice on their day off when they have other plans and other things to do=but for good employers I say yes automatically, and for bad ones it's an automatic "no" unless I could use the overtime (and usually I take overtime regardless what the situation is because I like my time being worth more).
I don't think anybody would have the stellar record that I have with the new site that I'm working at. How many people would you have to try to get a good 18 shifts so far with someone voluntarily starting a little early (I do that because my current employer is REASONABLE and FAIR with me).
Honestly your company lost out on a person that would have been a good worker had things not been setup to leech off of the young and more able bodied. I wasn't put on this earth to give you a good living surfing the internet and watching movies all night so that I can get a lower-class living busting my chops, sorry, but that deal is BS and anybody would be a fool to make an investment into a company that can turn around and render that whole investment absolutely worthless just on a whim.
Nevermind that what kind of friggin two-faced jerk has the nerve to give a "alcohol on the job talk" to someone that drinks at home and certainly not just before a shift. Yeah you can argue that it's pre-emptive and that you've gotten some crappy people in there to work, but having chats like that with someone that's been in a high position on a construction site is demeaning and insulting.
The jobs I have no problems at, are places where the management isn't afraid to tell people what they are doing wrong and give them a chance to correct their actions, but I suspect I did absolutely nothing wrong and just wasn't "liked" by that one person because the rest of the guards on that shift, had no friggin clue they acted like they were informed that I'd quit.
If you don't like the bad repora you got from treating me this way, then next time you get someone working there don't be such a d****e.
So you've got my challenge, go ahead and post your rebuttal if you have any guts at all, cuz your lack of one is highly suggestive of the fact that you have no defense to this posting. So bad employers beware, if you d**k people around or offer people bad, un-negotiable deals -- then you can suffer the consequences of consumers being able to be aware of each others opinions and experiences which are permanent records. Isn't technology wonderful? I dare you to post that rebuttal, ciao.
Ryan
Burlington,Ontario,
Canada
typo needs corrected
#4Author of original report
Sat, July 11, 2009
ok that's my mistake I mistyped 2 1/2 years.
Here's how it works:
You work there for 6 months, then they hire you, then you need to work (according to what I was informed by eugene) another year, then you get benefits.
Still, this is a proposterous amount of time to spend without benefits.
By the way just for reference, chicken on the way was paying $16 an hour last time I checked, and you didn't have to spend 6 months with almost nothing to show for it just to get hired in-house.
One of the employees mentioned that "I should have given them a chance".
Well, they should have given me a chance.
It doesn't speak very highly of a manager when they can't tell you that you are doing something wrong and that it needs to be corrected before flipping you over.
When your relief is roughly 30 minutes late in the 10 or 11 shifts that I worked at that place, so I had to sit there not getting paid for this extra time -- so having their "higher up the totem pole" staff getting paid probably 50% more than what the poor employees in their gopher positions doing all the leg work.
The manager there for the shift I work would sit and watch movies all night, while sitting was a luxury for a good chunk of the time at that job for me. Why should anybody bust their chops so some two-faced and typically un-confrontational manager can say "just get the job done, and I'm happy" and can't even give a reason, not even when asked directly about it.
Well I'm not a jerk, I covered a shift for someone that was sick, I thought seriously about saying "no" but considering I needed the money since my roommate is out of a job and I'd agree to cover the bills till he gets one, I decided to take this shift.
Well when I'd arrived I was informed that they'd discovered this ripoffreport. That's great. At least I have the brass to go back in and deal with their interrogation, but it seems that they lack the brass to even write a rebuttal to this -- and if they have a problem with my supposed "slamming" of their practices maybe they ought to get the courage to post their rebuttal. Seems they have nothing to say since if they were to respond they really wouldn't have anything horribly negative to say, but either way, I am respected at my new job, I'd love to get hired by my new employer, and they've treated me with a hell of alot more respect than these guys.
I also forgot to mention about their pompous corporate manager that decided to say that "I didn't ever have it so good" because I was getting a free meal. pffft. I've worked for 2 other companies here in town that would buy me meals at least every week or two, and actually one of the employers bought me meals 2-3 times a week. I don't know who the hell he thinks he is to say such a thing, but having gone to their "meeting" which I still haven't gotten paid for even though I mentioned it a few times.
I'm 30 years old, why the hell should I take this crap? Loyalty is bought, and just the stank cheapness that exists there is not buying loyalty.
Anyways I wasn't informed of a couple of their other job perks, but they really wouldn't have sweetened the pot much to make it a desireable position since I don't even have to do 1/4th the work at my new position, and I don't have to be babysat by 3 other more senior employees, in fact, I'm an independent worker and am responsible for a whole 30+ floor building all myself. I'm there early, every single day -- I've been late by 2 minutes only once, and had to cover an employee being late 3 days in a row by 30 minutes recently (though I got paid for it).
To brookfield:
I would have given you a chance had you lowered your 6 month term to a more reasonable 3 months. Furthermore, I expect a dollar raise after 6 months on the job, and for work already contributed regardless if through g4s or not, just the fact that I would have had 3-6 months of experience would make me worth more than .45 cents over some early '20s and less experienced worker. Fact of the matter is, it is no big surprise that after eugene saw my reaction to their REDICULOUS benefits wait time, that was pretty much the last shift I worked there.
As far as I know just because you obtain your employees through g4s does not give you justification to get rid of people "because you don't like them".
Personally I don't let employers tell me what I get, I barter, because as a consumer or provider I deserve to have some power and control over a business transaction, just as much as the opposite does. Telling me what I'll get like some n**i dictator is not FAIR, nor is it just, and had I been there for 6 months and been hired I would have demanded more than 45 cents extra or I would have walked, so perhaps it is for the best that I moved on.
I don't think just anybody would bail you out on such short notice on their day off when they have other plans and other things to do=but for good employers I say yes automatically, and for bad ones it's an automatic "no" unless I could use the overtime (and usually I take overtime regardless what the situation is because I like my time being worth more).
I don't think anybody would have the stellar record that I have with the new site that I'm working at. How many people would you have to try to get a good 18 shifts so far with someone voluntarily starting a little early (I do that because my current employer is REASONABLE and FAIR with me).
Honestly your company lost out on a person that would have been a good worker had things not been setup to leech off of the young and more able bodied. I wasn't put on this earth to give you a good living surfing the internet and watching movies all night so that I can get a lower-class living busting my chops, sorry, but that deal is BS and anybody would be a fool to make an investment into a company that can turn around and render that whole investment absolutely worthless just on a whim.
Nevermind that what kind of friggin two-faced jerk has the nerve to give a "alcohol on the job talk" to someone that drinks at home and certainly not just before a shift. Yeah you can argue that it's pre-emptive and that you've gotten some crappy people in there to work, but having chats like that with someone that's been in a high position on a construction site is demeaning and insulting.
The jobs I have no problems at, are places where the management isn't afraid to tell people what they are doing wrong and give them a chance to correct their actions, but I suspect I did absolutely nothing wrong and just wasn't "liked" by that one person because the rest of the guards on that shift, had no friggin clue they acted like they were informed that I'd quit.
If you don't like the bad repora you got from treating me this way, then next time you get someone working there don't be such a d****e.
So you've got my challenge, go ahead and post your rebuttal if you have any guts at all, cuz your lack of one is highly suggestive of the fact that you have no defense to this posting. So bad employers beware, if you d**k people around or offer people bad, un-negotiable deals -- then you can suffer the consequences of consumers being able to be aware of each others opinions and experiences which are permanent records. Isn't technology wonderful? I dare you to post that rebuttal, ciao.
Ryan
Burlington,Ontario,
Canada
typo needs corrected
#4Author of original report
Sat, July 11, 2009
ok that's my mistake I mistyped 2 1/2 years.
Here's how it works:
You work there for 6 months, then they hire you, then you need to work (according to what I was informed by eugene) another year, then you get benefits.
Still, this is a proposterous amount of time to spend without benefits.
By the way just for reference, chicken on the way was paying $16 an hour last time I checked, and you didn't have to spend 6 months with almost nothing to show for it just to get hired in-house.
One of the employees mentioned that "I should have given them a chance".
Well, they should have given me a chance.
It doesn't speak very highly of a manager when they can't tell you that you are doing something wrong and that it needs to be corrected before flipping you over.
When your relief is roughly 30 minutes late in the 10 or 11 shifts that I worked at that place, so I had to sit there not getting paid for this extra time -- so having their "higher up the totem pole" staff getting paid probably 50% more than what the poor employees in their gopher positions doing all the leg work.
The manager there for the shift I work would sit and watch movies all night, while sitting was a luxury for a good chunk of the time at that job for me. Why should anybody bust their chops so some two-faced and typically un-confrontational manager can say "just get the job done, and I'm happy" and can't even give a reason, not even when asked directly about it.
Well I'm not a jerk, I covered a shift for someone that was sick, I thought seriously about saying "no" but considering I needed the money since my roommate is out of a job and I'd agree to cover the bills till he gets one, I decided to take this shift.
Well when I'd arrived I was informed that they'd discovered this ripoffreport. That's great. At least I have the brass to go back in and deal with their interrogation, but it seems that they lack the brass to even write a rebuttal to this -- and if they have a problem with my supposed "slamming" of their practices maybe they ought to get the courage to post their rebuttal. Seems they have nothing to say since if they were to respond they really wouldn't have anything horribly negative to say, but either way, I am respected at my new job, I'd love to get hired by my new employer, and they've treated me with a hell of alot more respect than these guys.
I also forgot to mention about their pompous corporate manager that decided to say that "I didn't ever have it so good" because I was getting a free meal. pffft. I've worked for 2 other companies here in town that would buy me meals at least every week or two, and actually one of the employers bought me meals 2-3 times a week. I don't know who the hell he thinks he is to say such a thing, but having gone to their "meeting" which I still haven't gotten paid for even though I mentioned it a few times.
I'm 30 years old, why the hell should I take this crap? Loyalty is bought, and just the stank cheapness that exists there is not buying loyalty.
Anyways I wasn't informed of a couple of their other job perks, but they really wouldn't have sweetened the pot much to make it a desireable position since I don't even have to do 1/4th the work at my new position, and I don't have to be babysat by 3 other more senior employees, in fact, I'm an independent worker and am responsible for a whole 30+ floor building all myself. I'm there early, every single day -- I've been late by 2 minutes only once, and had to cover an employee being late 3 days in a row by 30 minutes recently (though I got paid for it).
To brookfield:
I would have given you a chance had you lowered your 6 month term to a more reasonable 3 months. Furthermore, I expect a dollar raise after 6 months on the job, and for work already contributed regardless if through g4s or not, just the fact that I would have had 3-6 months of experience would make me worth more than .45 cents over some early '20s and less experienced worker. Fact of the matter is, it is no big surprise that after eugene saw my reaction to their REDICULOUS benefits wait time, that was pretty much the last shift I worked there.
As far as I know just because you obtain your employees through g4s does not give you justification to get rid of people "because you don't like them".
Personally I don't let employers tell me what I get, I barter, because as a consumer or provider I deserve to have some power and control over a business transaction, just as much as the opposite does. Telling me what I'll get like some n**i dictator is not FAIR, nor is it just, and had I been there for 6 months and been hired I would have demanded more than 45 cents extra or I would have walked, so perhaps it is for the best that I moved on.
I don't think just anybody would bail you out on such short notice on their day off when they have other plans and other things to do=but for good employers I say yes automatically, and for bad ones it's an automatic "no" unless I could use the overtime (and usually I take overtime regardless what the situation is because I like my time being worth more).
I don't think anybody would have the stellar record that I have with the new site that I'm working at. How many people would you have to try to get a good 18 shifts so far with someone voluntarily starting a little early (I do that because my current employer is REASONABLE and FAIR with me).
Honestly your company lost out on a person that would have been a good worker had things not been setup to leech off of the young and more able bodied. I wasn't put on this earth to give you a good living surfing the internet and watching movies all night so that I can get a lower-class living busting my chops, sorry, but that deal is BS and anybody would be a fool to make an investment into a company that can turn around and render that whole investment absolutely worthless just on a whim.
Nevermind that what kind of friggin two-faced jerk has the nerve to give a "alcohol on the job talk" to someone that drinks at home and certainly not just before a shift. Yeah you can argue that it's pre-emptive and that you've gotten some crappy people in there to work, but having chats like that with someone that's been in a high position on a construction site is demeaning and insulting.
The jobs I have no problems at, are places where the management isn't afraid to tell people what they are doing wrong and give them a chance to correct their actions, but I suspect I did absolutely nothing wrong and just wasn't "liked" by that one person because the rest of the guards on that shift, had no friggin clue they acted like they were informed that I'd quit.
If you don't like the bad repora you got from treating me this way, then next time you get someone working there don't be such a d****e.
So you've got my challenge, go ahead and post your rebuttal if you have any guts at all, cuz your lack of one is highly suggestive of the fact that you have no defense to this posting. So bad employers beware, if you d**k people around or offer people bad, un-negotiable deals -- then you can suffer the consequences of consumers being able to be aware of each others opinions and experiences which are permanent records. Isn't technology wonderful? I dare you to post that rebuttal, ciao.