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Brunswick Ford ripoff Consumer fraud Brunswick Maine *UPDATE ..they are at it again!
Refused to refund down payment of $2200.00 when I did not like contract. Charged 19317.45 for a 2000 Ford Ranger XLT 4x4 with 48,000 miles. After 71 payments it will be $31912.24.
Joe
Bath, Maine
14 Updates & Rebuttals
Joe
fpo,Maine,
U.S.A.
I have a question about service contracts puchased through car dealerships.
#15Author of original report
Tue, September 23, 2003
I bought a service contract, extended warrantee, and GAP FOR GAP listed on the contract. I have paid for oil changes in their service department. Is the purpose of a service contract to pay for oil changes upfront for a pre-set price. All the items above on the contract were $500.00 each. What is the point in buying a service contract when I have to pay for service anyway? Are the oil changes supposed to be included in the service contract? It appears I paid $500.00 only to have it take up space on a contract. When I plan to shop for another car I'll avoid financing at a dealership because of the risk of deceptive and unfair practices. If anyone has information on service contracts I would appreciate any information on the subject.
They are at it again....luring new victims with false advertising like the one they used to fleece me with.
#150
Mon, November 25, 2002
The ad goes like this used cars for only $19 and nothing else is mentioned except it is a liquidation sale. Except when a new victim, thinking the ad is legitimate goes there with $19 the person is surrounded by salesman and finance manager asking for large down payment.
They take down payment and refuse to refund his money BEFORE a contract is even written up. Their excuse is their bank is closed or they have computer problems.
What floors me is I'm paying new car price for a used car I had to return at least twice for repairs.
The good thing is Navy Federal refinanced my Ford for 6.9% so Ford Credit will not make a fortune out of my misfortune caused by their bloodsucking dealers.
As for Mr. Pay car dealer with cash....ARE YOU CRAZY? THEY RIPPED ME OFF WITH A CREDIT CARD. IMAGINE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF I CAME THERE WITH CASH. THEY WOULD TAKE IT AND KEEP IT!
When I go there to have my truck serviced the dealer who ripped me off taunts me and laughs at me when he sees me. Only thing I want is them to go through the same frustration I went through. I noticed when I go there or drive by to another destination, they are usually not busy.
The locals must know about their tactics. Their primary prey must be the military.
THE WORST DEALERS ARE NEAR MILITARY BASES. Their must be something wrong with Ford vehicles for their dealers to use deceptive and unfair practices.
Next time I go to buy a auto, I'll finance through my credit union to remove one opportunity to use deception.
The Great Horn
bayville,New York,
Hey Brandon Read this
#15Consumer Suggestion
Thu, November 21, 2002
Brandon what I wrote was a responce thinking that the car buyer "Victim" did not buy the car. In other words walked away.
I have known car dealers to sell a car buyer a car, take the buyer's trade-in and The buyer thinks OK I got what I wanted.
Mean while the dealer sells the buyers trade-in. During this same time the dealer has not found a bank to pick up the paper.
A few days go by and the dealer's F&I guy tells the salesman to call the buyer and ask when can he come down to the dealership and sign a few extra documents for "THE BANK"?
The car buyer goes to the dealership, and WHA LA they have a new contract for the buyer to sign that has a much higher interest rate on it.
So let's say car buyer says no WAY. Car dealer says " well leave the new car here" and call a TAXI!
Car buyer says WHERE IS MY TRADE?
Should the dealer go find the car?
should the car dealer give the car buyer ACV?
"actual cash value" for the trade-in that is GONE?
Or
should the dealer let the new buyer keep the new car and stay in the VERY FIRST CONTRACT and the dealer buy down the rate with the dealer's money?
I am sure that you and I would agree that their should be a cooling off perion for car buyers in EVERY state. But we both know that car dealers like to hold car buyer's feet to the fire.
HAVE A GREAT DAY!
Customer service is JOB DUNG at Brunswick Ford.
#150
Thu, November 21, 2002
I'm actually a male, but gender does not matter. The issue is not interest to the unprofessional person from Des Moines, Iowa. It is the deceptive and unfair tactics the dealers used on me.
They did not show terms of contract before down payment. When I did not like the terms I asked for my money back so I could go to Wiscasset Ford and finance a 2002 neww model for 6 K less than the 2000 model with same features.
I was worked over by more than on dealer there. I argued for over an hour to have my down payment refunded BEFORE SIGNING A CONTRACT. I was reduced to begging for MY money back.
The ONLY reason I signed the contract was to avoid losing $2200.00 which is almost one month's worth of E-5 military pay.
I SURRENDERED to their agreement because all the dealers there were at least 250 lb. and feared myself and my wife being injured in a physical confontation. Good news I refinanced with Navy Federal and saved 10 K in interest.
I will never finance at a dealership again due to my experience with dishonest dealers. I asked for and demanded for my down payment back BEFORE signing the contract and taking possesion of the truck.
I call what happened to me strong arm robbery. They ONLY reason scum like most car dealers never cool their heels in jail is because they can bribe everyone and can afford top notch attorneys.
As for Mr Des Moines keep your foot out of your mouth when you do not know the situation. I hope you get victimized and see how it feels.
Brandon
Mesa,Arizona,
Why Should they?
#15Consumer Comment
Wed, November 20, 2002
Hey Great Thorn, Why should C get his/her down payment back? They agreed to purchase the vehicle at a certain price, and even SIGNED a LEGAL BINDING contract stating their intentions to do so. The dealership is not obligated to give them their down payment back. After they drive the vehicle off the lot they have legally taken delivery of the vehicle and it is now theirs. And no, I'm not a car salesperson, but I have sold cars before. Some of the stuff on here is very true about dealerships, however some of it, like this post, is just someone who is uneducated and wants their money back for THEIR mistake. Oh, and if they're paying almost $12K in interest on a $20K truck they have a high interest rate, so they should re-finance the truck in about 18 months, assuming they are not burried in it!
Brandon
Mesa,Arizona,
Why Should they?
#15Consumer Comment
Wed, November 20, 2002
Hey Great Thorn, Why should C get his/her down payment back? They agreed to purchase the vehicle at a certain price, and even SIGNED a LEGAL BINDING contract stating their intentions to do so. The dealership is not obligated to give them their down payment back. After they drive the vehicle off the lot they have legally taken delivery of the vehicle and it is now theirs. And no, I'm not a car salesperson, but I have sold cars before. Some of the stuff on here is very true about dealerships, however some of it, like this post, is just someone who is uneducated and wants their money back for THEIR mistake. Oh, and if they're paying almost $12K in interest on a $20K truck they have a high interest rate, so they should re-finance the truck in about 18 months, assuming they are not burried in it!
Brandon
Mesa,Arizona,
Why Should they?
#15Consumer Comment
Wed, November 20, 2002
Hey Great Thorn, Why should C get his/her down payment back? They agreed to purchase the vehicle at a certain price, and even SIGNED a LEGAL BINDING contract stating their intentions to do so. The dealership is not obligated to give them their down payment back. After they drive the vehicle off the lot they have legally taken delivery of the vehicle and it is now theirs. And no, I'm not a car salesperson, but I have sold cars before. Some of the stuff on here is very true about dealerships, however some of it, like this post, is just someone who is uneducated and wants their money back for THEIR mistake. Oh, and if they're paying almost $12K in interest on a $20K truck they have a high interest rate, so they should re-finance the truck in about 18 months, assuming they are not burried in it!
Brandon
Mesa,Arizona,
Why Should they?
#15Consumer Comment
Wed, November 20, 2002
Hey Great Thorn, Why should C get his/her down payment back? They agreed to purchase the vehicle at a certain price, and even SIGNED a LEGAL BINDING contract stating their intentions to do so. The dealership is not obligated to give them their down payment back. After they drive the vehicle off the lot they have legally taken delivery of the vehicle and it is now theirs. And no, I'm not a car salesperson, but I have sold cars before. Some of the stuff on here is very true about dealerships, however some of it, like this post, is just someone who is uneducated and wants their money back for THEIR mistake. Oh, and if they're paying almost $12K in interest on a $20K truck they have a high interest rate, so they should re-finance the truck in about 18 months, assuming they are not burried in it!
The Great Thorn
Tampa,Florida,
Hey Mr C A Hole in C - DES MOINES, Iowa
#15Consumer Suggestion
Tue, November 19, 2002
The Real question is Why is it that she is having a hard time getting her down payment back ?
Car dealers can't stand the fact that they are being EXPOSED!!!!
Mr C are you a car salesman ? Does this web site raise your blood pressure ? I hope so!
The Great Thorn
Tampa,Florida,
Hey Mr C A Hole in C - DES MOINES, Iowa
#15Consumer Suggestion
Tue, November 19, 2002
The Real question is Why is it that she is having a hard time getting her down payment back ?
Car dealers can't stand the fact that they are being EXPOSED!!!!
Mr C are you a car salesman ? Does this web site raise your blood pressure ? I hope so!
The Great Thorn
Tampa,Florida,
Hey Mr C A Hole in C - DES MOINES, Iowa
#15Consumer Suggestion
Tue, November 19, 2002
The Real question is Why is it that she is having a hard time getting her down payment back ?
Car dealers can't stand the fact that they are being EXPOSED!!!!
Mr C are you a car salesman ? Does this web site raise your blood pressure ? I hope so!
The Great Thorn
Tampa,Florida,
Hey Mr C A Hole in C - DES MOINES, Iowa
#15Consumer Suggestion
Tue, November 19, 2002
The Real question is Why is it that she is having a hard time getting her down payment back ?
Car dealers can't stand the fact that they are being EXPOSED!!!!
Mr C are you a car salesman ? Does this web site raise your blood pressure ? I hope so!
C
DES MOINES,Iowa,
EVER HEARD OF INTEREST???
#15Consumer Comment
Mon, November 18, 2002
IF YOU WOULD BOTHER TO READ YOUR CONTRACT YOU WOULD SEE THAT THEY CHARGE YOU FOR BORROWING THE MONEY. THE BANK DOES NOT LOAN MONEY FOR FREE. IF YOU MAKE THE MINIMUM PAYMENT EVERY MONTH ON A 71 MONTH CONTRACT YOU WILL PAY 31K FOR A 20K CAR. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, SAVE YOUR MONEY AND PAY CASH. IF NOT THEN GET EDUCATED ABOUT INTEREST CHARGES. IF YOU DON'T LIKE PAYING INTEREST WHY DON'T YOU WRITE TO AL GREENSPAN AND COMPLAIN. WE ALL PAY IT, SO WHY DON'T YOU GET EDUCATED BEFORE YOU RUN YOUR MOUTH ANYMORE.
The Great Thorn
Bayville,New York,
Hey Joe if you feel that you are a Victim, Try this.
#15Consumer Suggestion
Sun, November 17, 2002
Joe If I were you I woulf fax a copy of your Rip Off Report to your state banking commission office.
Maine Bureau of Financial Institions
36 State House Station
Augusta, ME 04333-0036
207-624-8570
Toll free: 1-800-965-5235
TDD: 207-624-8563
Fax: 207-624-8590
Web site: www.mainebankingreg.org
Then the next thing I would do is fax a copy to
Maine
State Offices
William Lund, Director
Office of Consumer Credit Regulation
35 State House Station
Augusta, ME 04333-0035
207-624-8527
Toll free in ME: 1-800-332-8529
TDD/TTY: 207-624-8563
Fax: 207-582-7699
Web site: www.mainecreditreg.org
The very next thing I would do is email a direct link to your Rip Off Report to the following people at ford.
This is a big list if email addresses at Ford Motor Corp that no Ford dealer would want you to have your hands on.
No car dealer wants you to inform a car maker as to how poorly you are being treated by the dealership.
Your Ford dealer will not like the fact that you have this contact info. Use it to your advantage.
Carolyn Brown
cbrown@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford
Department: Environment & Safety Communications
1-313-621-2963
1-248-473-8082
1-313-325-7243
Kristen Kinley
kkinley@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company
Department: Environment & Safety Communications
1-313-845-2709
1-248-375-3667
Valerie Rosnik
vrosnik@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company
Department: Environment & Safety Communications
1-313-206-2058
Robyn Schultz
rschul16@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford
Department: Environment & Safety Communications
1-313-390-3091
1-313-410-4635
Maria Sheler-Edwards
mshelere@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company
Department: Environment & Safety Communications
1-313-248-4979
1-734-434-8191
1-734-645-1968
Jerree Martin
jmartin2@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company
Department: Service Operations
1-313-337-2699
1-313-592-0106
1-313-618-9614
1-888-467-3673, T:1
Ray Day
rday1@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company
Department: Product Development
1-313-317-7683
1-734-414-0526
1-313-903-0263
1-888-467-3673, T:1
Karen Hampton
khampto2@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company, Ford
Department: Ford Division
1-313-323-7045
1.313-822-6620
1-313-605-2999
1-313-3257243
Mark Schirmer
mschirme@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford
Department: Ford Division
1-313-845-1547
1-734-222-4040
1-313-938-4660
1-888-4673673, T:1
Wesley Sherwood III
wsherwoo@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company
Department: Product Launch
1-313-390-5660
1-734-699-5725
1-313-550-3458
1-888-467-3673, T:1
Rich Voytowich Jr.
rvoytowi@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford
Department: Detroit/Chicago Regional Office
1-313-390-5068
1-313-884-3444
1-313-618-9530
1-888-467-3673, T:1
Jeremy Barnes
jbarne46@jaguar.com
Brand(s): Lincoln, Mercury
Department: Lincoln Mercury
1-949-341-7697
1-949-709-8936
1-714-296-1402
Cristina Bruzzi
cbruzzi@astonmartin.com
Brand(s): Aston Martin
Department: Aston Martin
1-949-341-6258
1-949-362-5547
1-949-338-8700
Anne Clinard
aclinard@jaguar.com
Brand(s): Aston Martin, Jaguar, Land Rover
Department: Aston Martin Jaguar Land Rover
1-949-341-6847
1-949-509-6633
1-949-422-2199
Angela Coletti
acoletti@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company
Department: Global News Bureau
1-313-390-1759
1-586-296-9596
1-586-350-4408
Ellen Dickson
edickson@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company
Department: National Communications
1-202-962-5383
1-301-951-9113
1-202-253-7083
1-888-467-3673
Jennifer Flake
jflake1@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company
Department: Product Development and Global Design
1-313-323-7668
1-313-277-9535
1-313-903-0429
1-888-467-3673, T:1
Brook Galbraith-Smith
bgalbrai@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company
Department: Global News Bureau
1-313-323-0646
1-888-467-3673, T:1
Karen Hampton
khampto2@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company, Ford
Department: Ford Division
1-313-323-7045
1-313-822-6620
1-313-605-2999
1-313-325-7243
Brenda Hines
bhines1@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company
Department: Manufacturing
1-313-322-1185
1-248-449-4454
1-313-268-7506
1-888-467-3673, T:1
Ron Iori
riori@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company
Department: Global Operations
1-313-337-2456
1-313-791-6837
1-313-570-7632
1-888-467-3673, T:1
Paige Johnson
pjohns29@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company
Department: Customer Satisfaction & Technologies
1-313-248-6820
1-248-735-0168
1-313-378-6395
1-248-539-4853
Jay Joyer
bjoyer@ford.com
Brand(s): Lincoln, Mercury
Department: Lincoln Mercury
1-949-766-8420
1-949-766-8420
1-949-370-0368
Kristen Kinley
kkinley@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company
Department: Environment & Safety Communications
1-313-845-2709
1-248-375-3667
Octavio Navarro
onavarr1@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company, Ford, Lincoln, Mercury
Department: Los Angeles Regional Office
1-949-629-2033
1-562-413-1534
1-949-422-4953
1-888-467-3673, T:1
John Ochs
jochs@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company
Department: New Media Team
1-313-337-3669
1-734-769-6031
1-313-402-4022
1-888-467-3673
Bob Roach
rroach1@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company, Ford, Lincoln, Mercury
Department: Product Development and Global Design
1-313-390-9553
1-248-656-2356
1-313-407-9596
1-888-467-3673, T:1
Mark Schirmer
mschirme@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford
Department: Ford Division
1-313-845-1547
1-734-222-4040
1-313-938-4660
1-888-467-3673, T:1
David Scully
dscully1@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company
Department: Product Development
1-313-323-0510
1-248-851-4423
1-313-300-8033
1-888-467-3673, T:1
Maria Sheler-Edwards
mshelere@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company
Department: Environment & Safety Communications
1-313-248-4979
1-734-434-8191
1-734-645-1968
Wesley Sherwood III
wsherwoo@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company
Department: Product Launch
1-313-390-5660
1-734-699-5725
1-313-550-3458
1-888-467-3673, T:1
Beverly Thacker
bthacke2@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company, Aston Martin, Ford, Jaguar, Land Rover, Lincoln, Mazda, Mercury, Volvo
Department: Broadcast News
1-313-317-7639
1-248-552-8992
1-313-418-5377
1-888-467-3673, T:1
James Trainor
jtrainor@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company, Lincoln, Mercury
Department: Lincoln Mercury
1-949-341-7689
1-949-459-7948
1-949-275-8842
1-888-467-3673
Christian Vinyard
cvinyard@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company
Department: Global Affiliates & Associations
1-313-594-7899
1-313-336-5071
Rich Voytowich Jr.
rvoytowi@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford
Department: Detroit/Chicago Regional Office
1-313-390-5068
1-313-884-3444
1-313-618-9530
1-888-467-3673, T:1
Paul Wood
pwood1@ford.com
Brand(s): Ford Motor Company
Department: Purchasing
1-313-621-2961
1-248-745-9269
1-313-598-1351
Fax a copy of your complete Rip Off Report to the car dealer that you feel is not helping you with your trouble.
Maybe one day car makers will take a good look at how car buyers are being treated. Maybe one day car makers will set up think tanks that are willing to set up a car buying process that removes ALL DECEPTION !
Signed