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celeita kramer second wind adoption crossed sabers farm horse trader scam artisit rip off west union, West Virginia
please think twice before getting involved with this business. i know we all love horses and care deeply for their well being. celeita kramer/second wind adoption is nothing but a questionable woman who takes in many horses with health and behavoral issues at no cost to herself, then advertises them to be something completely different on her site...she begs for donations for her adoption program while threatening on her web site that is she doesnt get the donations, she will have to put this one or that one down, or, turn them out to fend for themselves??? she sells horses on her payment plan while holding post dated checks and then when she gets the first complaint or first question from an adopter, she runs to the bank and cashes them cancelling the payment plan agreed upon.
celeita kramer sold me a horse(super) of which she misrepresented as a well trained beginner trail horse. the truth was, that he was a former amish buggy horse who had became lame due to the extensive work he had done over a very long time period. he had never been saddled nor trail ridden. once she was informed that we wanted to return him, she began slandering us all over faceboook. she accused us of abusing him, starving him,and injuring him. she refused to refund my money and she is fully aware of super's health issues. she has advertised him again on her site for a fee of 900.00. this week she has him advertised as being rested due to an injury on my farm but will soon be available. she sells horses with many issues, gets them back on return, refuses any refund and then resells the same horses over and over again. stay away...the truth is not in this operation!!!!!!
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Know The Truth
West Union,West Virginia,
United States of America
The Truth needs to be Heard
#2General Comment
Fri, May 25, 2012
This is the truth and Second Wind has Barbara Boggs adoption application and adoption contract to prove the following:
-Barbara said on her application that Second Wind has the original of Barbara's own words that she had over 20 years experience riding a thoroughbred on trails. She never said anything about wanting a beginner trail horse. Celeita
recommended two other horses with more trail experience and Barbara did not want to consider either of them, she wanted Super. She was offered the chance to ride him before taking him home and she said she did not have time.
-Barbara said she would give him the best care, what happened in reality was he lost 200 lbs in a couple months in her care and he went back to Second Wind injured. She had left him for weeks at a time with her son to care for and he has very little horse experience and was on house arrest. He did not even know enough to put a halter on the horse.
-Second Wind has pictures/video and witnesses as to Supers body condition and
soundness before he was adopted and when he left Second Wind for the Boggs
farm. they also have witnesses and pictures/video to prove his condition when
he was returned, his body condition, weight lost and the lameness.
-Barbara said she would provide a Trough in his turn out for a water source,
she never did that, in fact she expected him to go down a steep hill to drink
out of a creek that was covered over by hanging trees and Super had never drank
out of a creek.
-Barbara signed the adoption agreement and promissory note that says that no
money is ever returned because it is put toward helping other horses. She
signed that of her own accord, no one ever forced her to apply, to pay or to
sign all the Second Wind extensive paperwork.
-Second Wind offered Barbara a more experienced trail horse for free and she
turned down the offer.
-Barbara left many very long messages on Second Wind's business phone, long
rants accusing them of lying, of cheating her, telling Second Wind to
"come get this horse now or she will left him lay there and die".
Second Wind has a copy of that message and they felt that Barbara was unstable
and not a good home for Super and removed him from the home. When the
volunteers arrived at her home they found him lame and skinny. Barbara, in
fact, said she had never ridden Super the whole time he was with her.
-Second Wind never said Super had done any trail riding, they said he had driven
on the road for years and had been great to ride at the second wind farm. He
had been ridden several times by several young riders and they had never had
issue with him. There were pictures and video of those rides on their website.
The Amish family that had had Super for many years brought him to second wind
because he had been such a great horse, a good horse for them. He had had a
very early injury years earlier but had been sound for years after the injury,
he just could not handle the daily work with his Amish family anymore. Most Amish
send their horses to auctions to sell after they are finished with them, they
do not drive them 5 hours and give them away so they can find a good home. That
is just how good a horse he was and still is.
-Second Wind brought him home and nursed him back to health, got him sound, did
even more riding and training and even posted even more pictures and videos of
him being ridden all over our farm. Never did they ever have any issue with
him. That took months to get him healthy again and sound, the feed and care
during that time cost much more than the $900. that Barbara spent to adopt him.
Super has been adopted into a quality home and the adopters have never had an
issue with him and they take wonderful care of him.
-Second Wind never slandered Mrs. Boggs, Celeita mentioned that she was
disappointed that Super was coming back and that they did not water Super on
her Facebook page but she never used the adopters name. Barbara in turn libeled
Second Wind and Celeita (just as she has above) on Facebook and several other
websites where she has lied about what actually happened and Second Wind can
prove this in a court of law with Barbaras own words, own writing, her
messages and emails.
-Mrs. Boggs even went further to find another person who had not been approved on an application
to adopt. This person was also a writer and they published a libelous article
in the examiner. The legal team at the examiner immediately removed the article
knowing that it was full of slander and libel. The writer with the examiner was
not approved to adopt because she had a pony for a year but the pony was very
skinny. When Second Wind asked her about the pony being skinny she lied and
said the pony gets fed "3 gallons of feed a day" well any pony that
gets that much grain would be fat and probably foundered from excessive grain.
She also sent in pictures of a childs bus stop and said it was her barn so
Second Wind did not approve her application, which completely ticked her off
and she started threatening Second Wind. Later she lied on facebook and said
she had just got the pony and it was a rescue but if that was the case, why did
she say she had the pony for a year on her application to adopt with Second
Wind. Those documents are still filed at Second Winds headquarters.
-If Mrs. Boggs and Mrs. Rose actually had any valid argument with Second Wind and Celeita, why
did they not sue? That is what sensible people do when there is a disagreement
in business instead of sitting on a website to whine but the fact is that
Celeitas never been sued, shes never been arrested, shes never been accused
of a crime by the authorities and been doing horse rescue for 16 years.
The fact is that Mrs. Boggs over estimated her experience, did not ride the horse, did not
listen to Celeitas recommendations on which horses would be best, did not care
for the horse, was not honest on her application and instead of accepting her
own mistakes, she blames her own mistakes on a program that lives to help
horses and a person who has given up big salaries and stable jobs to volunteer
to help horses for nothing in return.
I've known Celeita for 30 years and Crossed Sabers / Second Wind for 16 years
and have adopted and donated to them. I have been on her farm, volunteered for
years and know the quality care she gives to all the animals.
She works for the horses, not people. She testifies against criminals cheating
people by selling horses and lying about them, she goes in with many sheriffs
into neglect cases to remove starved horses and testifies against them in
courts of law, she has to remove horses that are being starved by people, she
makes criminal complaints against people hurting horses and small animals. She
also has to tell people no to their adoption applications when they are
dishonest on their application and all these things make people mad. She's been
operating for 16 years in this capacity so tell me if all these things were
true, why has she not been arrested, investigated, charged, or even sued by
people that she suppposedly cheated. She's never had any of those things
happen. She has even had to fire volunteers and employees who has hurt horses
and when she finds out they do not care about the animals but are only there
for 'whats in it for them'. She is against slaughtering horses and our pets
and pro-slaughter advocates lie about her too because they know she hurts their
business is selling horses and cheating people and sending horses to slaughter
just to make money. She has also been an expert witness on many horse cases for
personal injury making defendants mad that she has proved they were unsafe and
put people's life at risk by bad horse management. She has been the key witness
in several grand jury cases where people were frauded by a conartist having to
do with horse sales and Celeita again, helped put them in jail. These are
people that have cheated people and hurt horses and Celeita helped put them in
jail and they are mad about it. If they really had a case, why don't they sue
her? That is what people do when they have a real case. You see, they don't
because they are wrong and lying about a woman and a program that has put over
2000 horses into homes and over 500 small animals and tracked them for life in
their homes.
In reality Celeita is a 23 year veteran as an Army officer and helicopter test
pilot, and with a glowing military record. She is a military hero using a
helicopter to save lives, she has numerous military and civilian awards, she is
in the Womens Military museum in Washington, DC, she was in the Smithsonian
institutes display on Women in Aviation, she was the youngest woman to ever be
inducted into the WV Womens Hall of Fame, She has been named Woman of the Year,
one of the most outstanding American Women, one of the 5000 most outstanding
Women of the World. Go to her website and see the 16 years of her work, the
years of Happy Endings, the Rescued horses that she has helped, the many dogs
she has put into homes. Go to volunteer and actually see the farm and their
care. www.crossedsabers.com These people have hurt horses and people and they
want Celeita to go away and close down, why? Because they know people like
Celeita stands for something, for the right, the truth, for caring for horses
and not lying and cheating others for money and when you stand for something,
you do end up having bad people that do not like you. The horse industry needs
someone like Celeita, she goes out of her way to educated adopters and all
horse owners about horses and about these bad people that are out to cheat
others in order to make money. See the truth, she is experienced, educated and
focused on helping horses. No horse trader watches their horses in their homes
for years, horse traders takes your money and disappears. She is always
following up to make sure they are okay, always accepting them back if people
cannot keep them, no matter the age or condition of the horse and many times
they come back to her in horrible condition and she takes them all in, gets
them healthy which costs hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars with her high
level of care. These people should be sued for liable and for all the damages
they have done to Celeita and her program because these bad people have hurt
their work and hurt how much they can help horses, in fact Second Wind is close
to closing down because of these on line lies. For years, we have all tried to
convince Celeita to sue them for the millions this program has lost because of
these lies, she does not want to. why? Because she is concerned about how much
time it will take away from helping horses and small animals that need help,
because of the number of horses that will be slaughtered and the number of dogs
that will die in a shelter during that time. Even after all these crazy lies,
she is still focused on helping the animals that need her. Don't listen to
liars and to career criminals, to conartists that make a career out of hurting
people and horses. See the facts.