Complaint Review: Chicago Wholesale Advancement

I am not sure why people keep thinking that each independant business that sells the fragrance products are "Scentura" offices. We each operate our own locations!~ We are free of the control of Scentura. They are only a supplier of the fragrances. Each independant distributor has the ability to operate their own operation as they see fit. The business that they trained in, also not a Scentura business, but an independant business that sells Scentura products, would logically become the model for the new location to recreate. That being said, each owner will and does have the right to operate and run their own location as they see fit.
Just like in any business, that does lead to varying styles of management, decision making, income structures for trainees, bonus incentives for trainees, and length of time a trainee would spend training before having the opportunity to head their own operation.
Following the logic that the person above, as well as a few others follow, would mean that T*RG*T is a Sony store because they sell Sony products or N*ORDST*M is a Hugo Boss store because they sell Hugo Boss. They are independantly owned business' who sell the products of these other business'(called manufacturers or suppliers).
Stop following the perception that Scentura, the manufacturer and supplier of fragrance products, has somehow wronged so many people. Why would they not continue to supply independant business' who sell their products in large quantities? Of course, when it does happen, it is beacause the business owner has failed to carry out their end of the agreement to Scentura or their own distribution force, which then reflects poorly on Scentura. Just like many business' of many industries over many years who have lost the right to sell certain products they were supplied with due to failure on their part to live up to the agreed upon terms.
It is also of no benefit for an independant location to somehow take advantage in a negative way of their people. If they did, how would that location continue to thrive without the steadiness of a group of people who by the way,understand they are getting a good deal throughout the process. Remember, each independant owner went through the same training process as what is asked of today. That is how we know a person will have the ability to open and MAINTAIN the opeation, therefore, leading to security on numerous levels. DON"T FORGET,
THE OWNER KNOWS HOW TO SELL THE PRODUCT THEMSELVES!!! Therefore, if an owner will always remain a hard worker, they will always have financial security. Remenber: The best opportunity is the ONE YOU CONTROL!!!
Other than for maturity reasons(not neccessarily in regards to age), it is incomprehensable why anyone would view that with negativity. When I don't work out at something or something doesn't work for me, I don't begrudge the people who are accomplishing- for having an attitude, work ethic, focus, skill level, or any other attribute that may be the difference between their success or my lack of. I applaude them and in many cases, admire them.
In all these years of operating, I still have never seen FACTUAL proof of someone who was taken advantage of. Lets suppose an unemployed person was recruited into our company and spent two days interviewing and a third day orientating and they lived 20 miles away. So, 40 miles x 3 days = 120 miles at a cost of $2 per gallon and at 20 miles to the gallon, then, oh my!, the investment added up to about $12. Where would someone actually find a job ANYWHERE that they wouldn't have made the same investment. Now, let's talk about time spent, because the person was unemployed, therefore their time only had the value of, what, watching TV all day, or talking on the cell and running up the minutes on a plan they can't pay for, or worse, getting blitzed, playing video games and eating candy all day! Or, how about eating their family out of house and home, running up the utility bills, sleeping most of the day, and maybe, if your mom is lucky, you put your dish in the sink(not the dishwasher, though). If you think about it, it'll save you family money just to have you out of the house for those few days(and off your cell). So, worst case scenario, we entertained the heck out of ya and made ya laugh and feel good about yourself. Unless someone is a total ignoramous, we treat everyone with respect. THEN, if someone at least made it to the orientation, then there is definately no way that they can HONESTLY say they didn't learn things from their attendance that didn't benefit them personally that day, or more importantly, helped them in their pursuit of other gainful employment, whether in an interview process or once they began work. As a benefit, we help people who would like to make money the opportunity to do that on the day of the orientation. OOPS, WE RAN INTO A SNAG!!! THAT WOULD MEAN IT"S TIME TO START ACTUALLY PUTTING IN REAL EFFORT AND SHOWING THAT AN INDIVIDUAL CAN GET A POSITIVE RESULT FROM THAT ACTION? Oh boy, that's not for me! Why would I do that when I can go get a job, do very little, and actually get paid for that! Well, when 5 percent of the country owns 95 percent of the wealth, I want to do what they do. They own business'! Yes, and all the aggravation that goes with it! And the sacrfices, too. Enough said? GET YOUR BUTT IN AND LET'S GET TO ROCKIN' cause your wastin' time with what's not making ya money, not gettin' ya advancement and just costin' ya more time! R & R

And in this case, it smells like Scentura. If so, I urge all former and current "employees" to contact the Attorney General's office in Illinois. Scentura, and all it's subdivisions, is the lowest of the low with regard to pay, status, training and "environment". I spent a few weeks with them, a long time ago, and I never forget the experience(s).

I read the comments about Chicago Wholesale Advancement, and notice someone has an opinion about this company that lives in Arizona? Come on! Get real! And no direct complaint about this business, but a blanket comparison to Kirby and meat salespeople? Please note: no complaint directed at this business, but a vague opinion of other business' in the direct sales industry.

I have worked in the "door to door" business in the past. It's all the same. The company lures young people into an interview with promises of a nice salary and management position. They are "trained" for a few days, and then set loose to get a few sales off of friends and family. Kirby, the "meat guys", Rainbow...it's all the same. Taking advantage of young people who are desperate to make a decent living. Well folks- there is hope. Rick- I hope you and your company pay attention to this. There are laws being introduced in many states, that will outlaw the "commission-only creative sales" scheme. Yes Rick, that means you will soon have to pay your workers a minimum wage. No more free labor or free advertising for you. No longer will you be able to make money at the absolute expense of young people. Let's face it, Rick. What you do is unethical and unfair. Sure, there are a SELECT FEW who may actually succeed in that type of business. But 95% of people who try it, fail. You know that as well as I do, Rick. How do you justify having someone work for eight to twelve hours a day, and bring home $20 or $50 ? How is it fair, to lead these kids into an interview, thinking that they will have all of this promised money and prestigious positions? I am glad that the government is putting it's collective foot down to stop companies like your's, Rick. You can sugar-coat it all you want, but the end result is always the same.

I have worked in the "door to door" business in the past. It's all the same. The company lures young people into an interview with promises of a nice salary and management position. They are "trained" for a few days, and then set loose to get a few sales off of friends and family. Kirby, the "meat guys", Rainbow...it's all the same. Taking advantage of young people who are desperate to make a decent living. Well folks- there is hope. Rick- I hope you and your company pay attention to this. There are laws being introduced in many states, that will outlaw the "commission-only creative sales" scheme. Yes Rick, that means you will soon have to pay your workers a minimum wage. No more free labor or free advertising for you. No longer will you be able to make money at the absolute expense of young people. Let's face it, Rick. What you do is unethical and unfair. Sure, there are a SELECT FEW who may actually succeed in that type of business. But 95% of people who try it, fail. You know that as well as I do, Rick. How do you justify having someone work for eight to twelve hours a day, and bring home $20 or $50 ? How is it fair, to lead these kids into an interview, thinking that they will have all of this promised money and prestigious positions? I am glad that the government is putting it's collective foot down to stop companies like your's, Rick. You can sugar-coat it all you want, but the end result is always the same.

I have worked in the "door to door" business in the past. It's all the same. The company lures young people into an interview with promises of a nice salary and management position. They are "trained" for a few days, and then set loose to get a few sales off of friends and family. Kirby, the "meat guys", Rainbow...it's all the same. Taking advantage of young people who are desperate to make a decent living. Well folks- there is hope. Rick- I hope you and your company pay attention to this. There are laws being introduced in many states, that will outlaw the "commission-only creative sales" scheme. Yes Rick, that means you will soon have to pay your workers a minimum wage. No more free labor or free advertising for you. No longer will you be able to make money at the absolute expense of young people. Let's face it, Rick. What you do is unethical and unfair. Sure, there are a SELECT FEW who may actually succeed in that type of business. But 95% of people who try it, fail. You know that as well as I do, Rick. How do you justify having someone work for eight to twelve hours a day, and bring home $20 or $50 ? How is it fair, to lead these kids into an interview, thinking that they will have all of this promised money and prestigious positions? I am glad that the government is putting it's collective foot down to stop companies like your's, Rick. You can sugar-coat it all you want, but the end result is always the same.

This company is a scam!!! They sell imitation fragrances and promised me that I will manage an office. The job pays commission only. I spoke to the fake Regional Manager about the scam claims I found on the internet. He immediately became angry, and started using profanity and abusive language. Why would Rob get so defensive? I just asked him a simple question about this claim. Rob is big fat gay liar. You been in business for 17 years Rob? So what, drug delears have been in business that long too. You are just as low as they are. That Ricky lady dresses like a w***e too.

Everybody Stay Away, dont waste your time here!

Who u calling sour Grape why dont u sell your Rip off products at Dennys. I wasnt stupid enough to sell your product so how does that make me a sour grape. During interviews u guys dont mention that ur products are renditions u didnt even let us know what the company is. In your ads u should tell us that that u aint looking for managers your looking for door to door sales
jr

When you attend one meeting, that would hardly qualify you as an ex-employee. Your claim sounds more like sour grapes to me. Kasey

When you attend one meeting, that would hardly qualify you as an ex-employee. Your claim sounds more like sour grapes to me. Kasey

When you attend one meeting, that would hardly qualify you as an ex-employee. Your claim sounds more like sour grapes to me. Kasey

Of course our company sells rendition fragrances. We tell people we are a rendition fragrance company in the interview process. Rendition is also used on our company fragrance list and on the packaging.

Manufacturers of rendition products are found in every industry where a blind product is sold. Blind means the consumer does not actually know how much the product is actually monetarily worth in ingredients and manufacturing, therefore, cannot tell if the price a designer or retailer is charging is a reasonable price. The fragrance industry is regarded as a price gouging industry on the retail level.

Therefore, it will always be in the consumers best interests for them to be able to purchase a product of similar quality and manufacturing for a more affordable price. So, they have choices where ordinarily there wouldn't be any. The definition of rendition is an interpretation.

Although in the fragrance industry, manufacturers can use a gas chromotograph to figure out what percentage of each ingredient make up a product, therefore, in the fragrance business, renditions can be of essentialy the exact scent without breaking any laws. This is true of any industry, i.e. pharmaceuticals, foods, auto parts, audio and video equipment, the list can go on, any products that cannot be trademarked as owned by one particular company. So, the designer does claim their box design, bottle design and name for the scent as their trademarks.

Welcome to the wonderful world of free enterprise. Tivo used to be partner with Directv. Now Tivo has their own product and Directv has the DVR. Same product, same use, same quality, virtually the same product, but, two different names and two different boxes in design. So, which one of these companies is the scam? How about when you buy a generic prescription drug? Are the mannufacturers of these generics scammers?

Come on! How about when you buy contacts or when you buy a loaf of bread with the store label or the other manufacturer labels. In your book, all scam artists. JR, your selective hearing during the selection process is really what is questionable! You should work for the oil companies!

Of course our company sells rendition fragrances. We tell people we are a rendition fragrance company in the interview process. Rendition is also used on our company fragrance list and on the packaging.

Manufacturers of rendition products are found in every industry where a blind product is sold. Blind means the consumer does not actually know how much the product is actually monetarily worth in ingredients and manufacturing, therefore, cannot tell if the price a designer or retailer is charging is a reasonable price. The fragrance industry is regarded as a price gouging industry on the retail level.

Therefore, it will always be in the consumers best interests for them to be able to purchase a product of similar quality and manufacturing for a more affordable price. So, they have choices where ordinarily there wouldn't be any. The definition of rendition is an interpretation.

Although in the fragrance industry, manufacturers can use a gas chromotograph to figure out what percentage of each ingredient make up a product, therefore, in the fragrance business, renditions can be of essentialy the exact scent without breaking any laws. This is true of any industry, i.e. pharmaceuticals, foods, auto parts, audio and video equipment, the list can go on, any products that cannot be trademarked as owned by one particular company. So, the designer does claim their box design, bottle design and name for the scent as their trademarks.

Welcome to the wonderful world of free enterprise. Tivo used to be partner with Directv. Now Tivo has their own product and Directv has the DVR. Same product, same use, same quality, virtually the same product, but, two different names and two different boxes in design. So, which one of these companies is the scam? How about when you buy a generic prescription drug? Are the mannufacturers of these generics scammers?

Come on! How about when you buy contacts or when you buy a loaf of bread with the store label or the other manufacturer labels. In your book, all scam artists. JR, your selective hearing during the selection process is really what is questionable! You should work for the oil companies!

Of course our company sells rendition fragrances. We tell people we are a rendition fragrance company in the interview process. Rendition is also used on our company fragrance list and on the packaging.

Manufacturers of rendition products are found in every industry where a blind product is sold. Blind means the consumer does not actually know how much the product is actually monetarily worth in ingredients and manufacturing, therefore, cannot tell if the price a designer or retailer is charging is a reasonable price. The fragrance industry is regarded as a price gouging industry on the retail level.

Therefore, it will always be in the consumers best interests for them to be able to purchase a product of similar quality and manufacturing for a more affordable price. So, they have choices where ordinarily there wouldn't be any. The definition of rendition is an interpretation.

Although in the fragrance industry, manufacturers can use a gas chromotograph to figure out what percentage of each ingredient make up a product, therefore, in the fragrance business, renditions can be of essentialy the exact scent without breaking any laws. This is true of any industry, i.e. pharmaceuticals, foods, auto parts, audio and video equipment, the list can go on, any products that cannot be trademarked as owned by one particular company. So, the designer does claim their box design, bottle design and name for the scent as their trademarks.

Welcome to the wonderful world of free enterprise. Tivo used to be partner with Directv. Now Tivo has their own product and Directv has the DVR. Same product, same use, same quality, virtually the same product, but, two different names and two different boxes in design. So, which one of these companies is the scam? How about when you buy a generic prescription drug? Are the mannufacturers of these generics scammers?

Come on! How about when you buy contacts or when you buy a loaf of bread with the store label or the other manufacturer labels. In your book, all scam artists. JR, your selective hearing during the selection process is really what is questionable! You should work for the oil companies!

Of course our company sells rendition fragrances. We tell people we are a rendition fragrance company in the interview process. Rendition is also used on our company fragrance list and on the packaging.

Manufacturers of rendition products are found in every industry where a blind product is sold. Blind means the consumer does not actually know how much the product is actually monetarily worth in ingredients and manufacturing, therefore, cannot tell if the price a designer or retailer is charging is a reasonable price. The fragrance industry is regarded as a price gouging industry on the retail level.

Therefore, it will always be in the consumers best interests for them to be able to purchase a product of similar quality and manufacturing for a more affordable price. So, they have choices where ordinarily there wouldn't be any. The definition of rendition is an interpretation.

Although in the fragrance industry, manufacturers can use a gas chromotograph to figure out what percentage of each ingredient make up a product, therefore, in the fragrance business, renditions can be of essentialy the exact scent without breaking any laws. This is true of any industry, i.e. pharmaceuticals, foods, auto parts, audio and video equipment, the list can go on, any products that cannot be trademarked as owned by one particular company. So, the designer does claim their box design, bottle design and name for the scent as their trademarks.

Welcome to the wonderful world of free enterprise. Tivo used to be partner with Directv. Now Tivo has their own product and Directv has the DVR. Same product, same use, same quality, virtually the same product, but, two different names and two different boxes in design. So, which one of these companies is the scam? How about when you buy a generic prescription drug? Are the mannufacturers of these generics scammers?

Come on! How about when you buy contacts or when you buy a loaf of bread with the store label or the other manufacturer labels. In your book, all scam artists. JR, your selective hearing during the selection process is really what is questionable! You should work for the oil companies!

Come on Rick u say ur company is not a scam why dont u guys sell ur bootleg fragrance using names that u guys invent and stop making knockoffs and stop using top designer names cause if u dont that means your company is a scam is your company paying royaltys to those disigners for using their names i dont think so! And during training is your company telling people that the fragrances are RENDITIONS which means RIPOFFS no u dont. And than you asked them to sell those ripoffs t their family and friend how low is that. Im sure that one day your will be sued for using names that dont belong to your company

Chicago wholesale advancement is a rip off and should be sued for using actual designer names to sell their rip off fragrances.

Why do you two people have the overwhelming desire to bash our co. when all the boss did was write a rebuttal,(with a few compliments to Kurt included), to his complaint? Seems like very odd behaviour out of two people who seemingly would not know anything about our co. other than they were pitched on our products by a distributor? Or, that you would jump to Kurt's defense that pay was misrepresented when you don't even know what was represented? How do you know Kurt is a viable source of info. Because he refers to himself as a college grad?

Anyone with any real knowledge or experience in the business world knows not to jump to conclusions or pre judge something based on a persons opinion without knowing ALL the FACTS! Yes, Kurt was a nice guy and we are thrilled he decided to move on as he just didn't have the right mindset, that's all. His education at college is of little or no consequence. Shaina

Why do you two people have the overwhelming desire to bash our co. when all the boss did was write a rebuttal,(with a few compliments to Kurt included), to his complaint? Seems like very odd behaviour out of two people who seemingly would not know anything about our co. other than they were pitched on our products by a distributor? Or, that you would jump to Kurt's defense that pay was misrepresented when you don't even know what was represented? How do you know Kurt is a viable source of info. Because he refers to himself as a college grad?

Anyone with any real knowledge or experience in the business world knows not to jump to conclusions or pre judge something based on a persons opinion without knowing ALL the FACTS! Yes, Kurt was a nice guy and we are thrilled he decided to move on as he just didn't have the right mindset, that's all. His education at college is of little or no consequence. Shaina

Why do you two people have the overwhelming desire to bash our co. when all the boss did was write a rebuttal,(with a few compliments to Kurt included), to his complaint? Seems like very odd behaviour out of two people who seemingly would not know anything about our co. other than they were pitched on our products by a distributor? Or, that you would jump to Kurt's defense that pay was misrepresented when you don't even know what was represented? How do you know Kurt is a viable source of info. Because he refers to himself as a college grad?

Anyone with any real knowledge or experience in the business world knows not to jump to conclusions or pre judge something based on a persons opinion without knowing ALL the FACTS! Yes, Kurt was a nice guy and we are thrilled he decided to move on as he just didn't have the right mindset, that's all. His education at college is of little or no consequence. Shaina

Why do you two people have the overwhelming desire to bash our co. when all the boss did was write a rebuttal,(with a few compliments to Kurt included), to his complaint? Seems like very odd behaviour out of two people who seemingly would not know anything about our co. other than they were pitched on our products by a distributor? Or, that you would jump to Kurt's defense that pay was misrepresented when you don't even know what was represented? How do you know Kurt is a viable source of info. Because he refers to himself as a college grad?

Anyone with any real knowledge or experience in the business world knows not to jump to conclusions or pre judge something based on a persons opinion without knowing ALL the FACTS! Yes, Kurt was a nice guy and we are thrilled he decided to move on as he just didn't have the right mindset, that's all. His education at college is of little or no consequence. Shaina

So, you were pitched on a product numerous times while you were in school. you then decide, one day, out of the blue, to look up a company on the web that you have never dealt with other than you have been approached numerous times by their salespeople.

Then , you have the wisdom to denounce the company that you know nothing about other than you have been approached numerous times by that companies, or similar companies, salespeople. But, then again, you just get up one day and you surf for what, the company that has the distibutors out there that have approached you several times.

then you feel compelled to, what, support someone's negative story, based on , what again, you were pitched numerous times by the companies, or similar companies, salespeople. and your following the flock of sheep quote was just compelling. let me remind you that 95 0/0 of the population of this country always criticize the 5 0/0 who are actualy doing something.

So, what do you do for a living, how much money do you make, what does your estate look like, and what are the gross profits to all the people you have trained and CAPITALIZED TO RUN THEIR OWN COMPANIES? If it's so GREAT, I'll come and work for you! Oh, I forgot, you were only pitched by our distibutors multiple times on several occasions, only to hear their tales of promise for the future.

And by the way, their is NOTHING wrong with a person offering a product from the company they work for to their friends or relatives at any time. as a matter of fact, every company I have EVER worked in or for, my family and my associates families was customarily offered products or services i.e. gym memberships, clothing, car washes, movie passes, food, sporting events, etc... whatever the nature of that business.

I know, I know, I'm just rationalizing my horrible existence, again. You're right! I'm going to quit tomorrow. you have convinced me because you were pitched multiple times over a period of time by our miserable salespeople who were lobotimized into pitching you for know for no reason at all other than my personal gain.

Rob

Evidently, you did not read my response with much ability to actually retain what I wrote without becoming a victim of selective memory. I do feel it is necessary to respond to someone who has disparaging comments to write, but was not truthful about the facts of the situation. I do not apologize for what you may think of my co. You are entitled to your opinion. But, just as you are a Masters degree holder? (which I guess makes you better than everyone else), we do have numerous college grad's who are running these business', as well as training to run others.

Last I knew, there were more college grad's waiting tables than any other profession. Some people are ready to wait for an opportunity that may not even exist, while others may grow disenchanted with how things worked out at their previous chosen profession. There are also others who are ready to grab onto an opportunity when it is presented. There is no reason to defend why people choose certain opportunities over others, nor reason to defend why people quit what they committed to doing.

What makes a person is their character and their loyalty. You can't force a person to see things your way. But, I will tell you I have many people that now run their own locations, have started families, contribute positively to their respective community, etc. And that will continue to go on regardless of your diatribes. Thank you. Oh, by the way, I would never promise someone what they will earn in the future. What they are aware of is what the average income is to our branch owners at various stages of their career. So, thank you in advance for helping me clarify what we already do tell prospective candidates.

I am also a graduate of a Big Ten School - only my education extends to the Master's arena and I'm not a puppy like Kurt is. I know exactly what your business entails - and what you expect of your so-called employees. How do I know this? Because during Grad school I couldn't walk from my truck to the grocery store without being inundated by flocks of these losers trying to sell me the bottled equivalents of Designer Imposter body sprays.

One day I asked them why they waste their time peddling trash for such a second-hand company, and they detailed a story almost exactly similar to the experience that Kurt had. They chronicled how they had been promised a base salary and an office of their own. But before all that would transpire, they only had to sell about 5 million little test tubes of this foul-smelling manure.

A word to the soon-to-be wise young people out there: If a job requires you to demonstrate, sell, or market ANYTHING to your friends and relatives, IT IS A SCAM. Any product truly worth selling would not need to be peddled to friends and relatives before the general public. Any money you MAY see will be minimal and will be paid at that tail end of the profit-gathering process. No amount of loud music, jumping, or hand claps changes the fact that you will be a door-to-door salesman with a job status about twelve notches below that of a used card salesman (at least with that position people come to you).

And to Kurt, I applaud your wisdom at such a young age in recognizing this phony "opportunity" and moving forward into something more productive. Don't ever let an ignorant dolt like Rick ever disparage your education or your achievements as a scholar. If you have proved one thing, it is that an educated person who thinks and reasons in lieu of being a mindless sheep that has been convinced to sell rabbit piss can expose the fraud that is this company.

To the owner of the company,

Regardless of "how Kurt felt" at the onset of his employment, advertising a "base salary" is expected to be a guaranteed rate. The minimum annual salary the employee will earn. Commision earners only typically aren't interviewed under the premise of a "base salary", maybe an "expected salary" or "probably salary" or "commision salary". Running a company shouldn't be like selling used cars. Secondly, how exactly are individuals "working their way up" considered "managers"?

Sounds to me like you have a bit of a turnover problem, and when people actually call B.S. on your employment advertising, you turn it around on them. Don't sugar coat the position to get people intersted. Call a spade a spade and people won't be pissed off when the Cadillac they thought they bought turns out to be a Ford Pinto with a Cadillac emblem.

Jake
Chicago Illinois

Exactly how many days did you work for us, Kurt? I certainly know, as I interviewed you and final interviewed you! You know that I thoroughly walked you through the program, training, etc. Or, what did I do with you over a three and half hour meeting? You knew all about what was going to be expected from you from a training point (sales, marketing, training of others, running and managing teams in the field, etc...), plus, you do know the validity of getting promoted to your own office once you complete the necessary training. Nobody expected you to be a great salesperson in order to earn the end goal. You were not willing to work with conviction for the opportunity. You were the cream of the crop at the outset for the very reason you listed: You were able to perservere through college and end with your diploma. That is a great accomplishment!

But, do not be confused for how far classroom education alone can get you. Again, I did spend my time explaining to you the opportunity, so, please don't call my co. the scam.

Here's the bottom line: You started from the first day thinking we were a scam and something was rotten in Denmark, so to speak. Because those thoughts were foremost in your mind, everything that we did or said was met with doubt in your mind. Read "The Message". That was you. I'm sorry you decided to bolt because it was a little damp outside that day, but you made your decision based on your judgement about yourself, so do not blame that on anyone but yourself.

Accept responsibility! I have 18 year olds who understand the training after meeting with me and providing them the same info. you were provided. So much for a BIG 10 education. But, again it has nothing to do with your education, but your mindset in your, what, 2 days with us? Anyone reading this that comes in with the right mindset, you will do well. But, just like college, you're not going to get to the end result in 2 days.

Good Luck and I'll be looking for ya at the top! Thanks Kurt for posting this. I always like the adversity. It motivates me! I am glad you are happy with your decision, but, that may be a bit of rationalizing as you you are not running an office, so, as to have something to compare yourself to. But, if it makes you feel better, so be it. When your thirty years old and you've poured yourself into a co. just to end up under appreciated, underpaid, or worse, unemployed, you'll remember this opportunity. You just haven't had enough experiences in the corporate world yet. Take care! Rob