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  • Report:  #1412262

Complaint Review: Christian Brothers Automotive

Christian Brothers Automotive Poor communications leading to financial loss Holland Michigan

  • Reported By:
    Jim — holland Michigan United States
  • Submitted:
    Thu, November 16, 2017
  • Updated:
    Fri, November 17, 2017

Christian Brothers recently diagnosed (confirming my suspicion) of a bad thermostat. Recently they replaced a thermostat on my car at close to $1,000. (yes, it's an Audi). In the process, the technician made a mistake connecting the hood latch, requiring many more hours to cut off the latch and replace it. with a used part. (It was perhaps an honest mistake and I understood. I was not charged for this and even shared a process for the latch which I found on an Audi forum). It greatly delayed completion of repairs by several days, causing me concern as I wanted to drive several days before taking a trip. The thermostat was done correctly and I have no problem with it. Ancillary issues are the problem. The cost of labor for the thermostat is the same for replacing the timing belt. (belt must be removed to replace the thermostat. i told the service manager to do this. (Conveniently he cannot recall this). Since the timing belt is under covers, it was not apparent that it was not replaced. (Even with covers removed, it is impossible to tell a new belt from one with thousands of miles), Upon picking up the car and remitting amount due, did I did not noticed the invoice did not include replacing the belt. (the cost of the belt was minimal compared to labor.) There were diagnoses for other problems (leaking coolant) which were not related to replacing the thermostat. An error related to one of the cooling fans occurred following the thermostat replacement and may have been due to the thermostat service but I cannot confirm that. (the bumper, front of the car, radiator and cooling fans much be removed to access the thermostat) Unaware the timing belt was not replaced, I sold the car and stated in advertising as having the timing belt replaced very recently. (this is a service which must be done every 80,000 miles and is a major expense) It wasn't until the buyer asked for the invoice that I discovered the belt had not been done. Discussing this with the owner, he agreed that it made no sense not to change the belt during this time, but his service manager was who I told and he denied that I wanted it done. Prior to diagnosis, during and after the thermostat replacement, the response to calls and messages was terrible. I would call and the receptionist be promised a return call which did not happen, requiring multiple calls. My suggestion to anyone having Christian Brothers service your car, (especially a European car), is to insist the technician (Dan) most familiar do the work. Another nice young man, (Andrew) who I can't fault, simply doesn't have the knowledge to work on an Audi. Regardless of what kind of car, I would recommend everything and all expectations be put in writing. Do not assume anything. Verbal communication of instructions or expectations is useless unless when dealing with Christian Brothers unless it is in writing. I would also insist on a inspection and written confirmation on the status of any other systems before and after Christian Brothers performs service. This to avoid any failures that "just happen" to occur during service. In regards to the sale of my car, I am not legally responsible for an "as is" transaction. However, my integrity prompts me to bear the cost of a timing belt replacement ($1,000) for the new owner because I told him the belt had just been done. Since there is no written documentation, Christian Brothers cannot be held accountable. I will chalk it up to a bad experience and will not return to Christian Brothers.

2 Updates & Rebuttals


Jim

holland,
Michigan,
United States

Resolved

#3Author of original report

Fri, November 17, 2017

After communicating to the new owner of the car, I submitted this report on Nov 15 and it missed a step to verify my complaint which caused the "submitted" date stamp to be Nov 16. In the interim, the owner left me a phone message, offering to bear the labor cost of replacing the belt. This is certainly fair. It was embarrassing to explain to the purchaser that the belt had not been replaced and I wish I had learned of this offer before I was in that embarrassing situation. If there was a way to delete the complaint, i would do so. Although somewhat delayed, the owner of Christian Brothers has done the right thing and he has not even seen this complaint.


Robert

Irvine,
California,
United States

Not a RipOff

#3Consumer Comment

Fri, November 17, 2017

Based on what you posted it appears the only real issue with them is what you think they should have done when it comes to replacing the timing belt. Yes, you posted other "issues" but none of those really seemed to bother you and for the most part you seem satisfied with their service.

This isn't a case of of you being charged for work not performed, there was no paperwork to say to replace it and there was nothing on the invoice that says you were charged for it. Where even though you appear to be very detail oriented, when it came time to pay you totally missed it not being there on the invoice. 

Contrary to your belief that you are not legally responsible to replace the belt due to the fact it was as an "As-Is" sale is flawed. Because you advertised the belt as being replaced any "As-Is" protection does not apply when it comes to the belt. Regardless of intention or reason, the fact is that you falsely advertised the status of the belt. While you can try to convince yourself that it is your "integrity" that is causing you to replace it the fact is that the new owner took you to court a judge would rule against you.

The best thing you may want to do now is talk to the other owner and have them get an estimate. If their estimate is lower have them replace it and just reimburse them.  If the person did not actually buy the car then take that line out of the ad.  

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