Complaint Review: Donna Foss Mountain Valley Shih Tzu

It came to my attention recently that Donna and Mountain Valley Shih Tzu had come under fire. I have a 6 year old Shih Tzu from Donna and I think my story speaks volumes about her! When my dog was about three he became ill and it was discovered he had a hole in his eye. The cost of fixing the problem was very high ($2K). I emailed Donna, as the vet thought it may be a genetic problem(it wasn't!!). Donna was SO receptive, concerned and full of help. She said as a rule breeders don't pay vet bills but begged me to give her my dog rather than put him down if I couldn't afford the treatment. She also offered me another puppy. She followed up with emails to check on his status. I had his surgery and he was fine in the end. However, I had no doubt that Donna wasn't just being a good business person, but was a real dog lover. For the record, I got my papers from the AKC right away and all my dog's shots were in order. My vet was actually impressed with the information she'd given me. I only discovered this site because I sent a friend online to get a dog from Donna. I can't speak to all the details but she gave me a wonderful dog, great service and I'm sad to know I can't get another Shih Tzu from her. I deliberated about leaving a message on this site, but in the end I felt I owed it to Donna.
~Tara

I have sat back and watched the post here, and decided responding would be just a waste of my time. However I am sickened by all this ! Did any of you watch Oprah a few weeks ago ???!! My husband and I did, tears streaming down our faces. Did you see the bloodied hammer used to cruelly "euthanize" dogs that can no longer be bred or sick puppies etc ?? Did you hear the person being interviewed by Opera how when he was called by the "breeding" facility to get there in 45 minutes or the dogs would be SHOT ??!! Did you see all those little pomeranians stuffed in a pen OUTSIDE, on wire NO shelter from the heat and cold let alone the rain, snow etc. NONE !
If we were a "puppy mill" then why did the State of Maine offer to renew our license back in 2007 ?? If we were a puppy mill then why did the State of Maine not conviscate our dogs ?? Check people, its a matter of public record. The State of Maine wanted us to have only 24 dogs. Ok then what do we do with the dogs that were retired, very old, blind and deaf , from age, having to be fed special soft foods because they lost their teeth due to age and some on medication , take them out and SHOOT them ???
If we were a puppy mill, then why was our Patty, a shihtzu that was 17 1/2 yrs old, cared for till she passed away on 5/27/08 ?? If we were a puppy mill she would not of lived till she was 17 1/2 ! She would of been shot or knocked in the head with a hammer !!!!!!
If we were a puppy mill, then why did we spend over 500.00 on Shelby, whom at 5yrs of age develoved a "rupture" trying to save her ?? Call my vet Darren Richards in Madison , Maine, he will tell you the what lengths we have gone to, to save a life !!
Oh then there is Danny, whom one day just started dragging his back legs, took him to Darren, said he slipped a disc, and could put him down, as the prognosis was not good. That was NOT an option ! After discussion with our vet he came home on steroids, and we kept him on "bed rest" for 2 months, only letting him out for short periods. Well you know what ?? He is running around here now and even climbing stairs using his back legs once again ! Our vet is amazed !
Yet again, there is Georgie , whom has bronchits and is cared for here and watched as he has exacerbrations and can develop pneumonia. Yet he is here with us? We have placed some of our older dogs but ONLY thru referral ! They are "fixed" before they leave here by my vet and go with the understanding that if things do not work out bring the dog back. They are also warned that the dog is micro chipped and if the dog ends up at a shelter I will know about it, and I will be knocking at their door and asking some questions !! And have done that !
If we were a puppy mill then why did we, when a mom gets into trouble while delivering her babies rush her to the vet to have a c section ? Do you know what a puppy mill would do, ?? They would knock her in the head with that hammer , and cut those puppies out of her !! Why did we spend over a week trying to get a moms fever down , changes of rx's and trips to vet ??
Have you been here when we have cried from our toes after loosing a mom ? Or a puppy ?? Alot of breeders breed thier dogs EVERY heat, thats what puppy mills do. When we WERE breeding our girls were only bred once a year, and sometimes even 1 1/2 - 2 yrs. Sometimes not at all , because she turned out to be to small or developed health probs that were genetic and did not want that passed on to puppies .
Oh and then there is a comment in here, about us being on the news. Well deary, did you see the "retraction" aired ?? WE were the ones that called and reported them !!! We were duped by these people and not involved in anything illegal !! So get your d**n facts straight! I have a copy of the transcript for the retraction, so feel free, Ill send you a copy !
I have raised shihtzus for over 30 yrs, raised a few yorkies, and cannot beleive how people get off attacking someone with 1/2 truths or down right lies. Have made my share of mistakes, one of them being , putting someone in charge while I had to spend alot of time away from home, that was supposed to know what they were doing. Things went askew to my dismay. Ill take responsibilty for that.
You will all be happy to know we are no longer breeding dogs anymore, as cannot stand putting up with gullible people who beleive everything they read , and take pleasure in attacking someone . Human mankind is such that they take pleasure in someone elses pain, or even causing them pain. Sickens me ! For everyone of you that have posted negativity I can produce 10 emails, pictures, letters, etc from people that have bought from us over the years, came back for another, and all the referrals, all very happy folks !
So for now I will sit back , have a dog in my lap , as I write this and enjoy our "puppy mill" here, as the ones we have left will be here with us till they take their last breath, because we OWE them that much ! So have at it people, and be forwarned, when you post something IE: that we were a "puppy mill", which is slander, YOU could be sued !

Last Oct. we purchased a yorkie from Donna,he was 12 weeks old and perfect.We went to her home and the kennel was clean and fine.We spent 20mins with her, she was wonderful and patient with us and our many questions.

To Doug of Amesbury Mass, perhaps your memory is failing you. 1st of all I do not have a van nor have I ever owned one. 2nd of all, you were told you were more than welcome to come and visit the pups where we lived. NEVER have we refused anyone a visit ! When you realized how far north we lived at the time, YOU decided to wait and pick the pup up when time to go home. 3rd, that pup was NOT mine, I had them advertised on my site for a "friend " of mine. My pups do NOT have fleas, never have. Our home was,is made of cedar, which deters fleas etc. I had to contact the "friend" as I was irate with her, because her pups had fleas and I did not want my pups getting them ! I did not reimburse you M_ _ _ _ _ did .

Donna has me paid in full, so I have no further issues with her. The first puppy I received from her I could not have been more happy with. And the other little girl there were other issues, such as her bite, etc., but not that she was not clean. nor healthy. Donna does have some nice dogs and the prettiest reds out there.

I purchased a female shih-tzu from Donna Foss four years ago. Prior to the purchase, I requested numerous times to come look at the littler. Everytime I was denied by Donna. She did not allow us to come look at the puppies, and the only option was to get really bad quality digital photos with roses around the borders. Once we did get the puppy we had to meet Donna, along with about 10 other people, in a McDonald's parking lot in Kittery, Maine. She showed up in a van filled with dogs. Not sure why that was the case but it sure seemed like she didn't wany anyone near her house where the dogs were bred.

When we received the pup she was covered in fleas. She also had a heart arrhythmia and respiratory problems. Once it was all said and done we had over $350 in vet bills the first week. I poilitely asked Donna to cover the costs and faxed her all the vet bills. She down-right refused to pay. I called again, explained to her that the dog was delivered very sick and I should not be held responsible for the bills. She kept referring to her website disclaimer. Finally I told her I was about to file suit in her local small claims court. Once Donna got wind of that I had a check in my hands a few days later.

I purchased a female shih-tzu from Donna Foss four years ago. Prior to the purchase, I requested numerous times to come look at the littler. Everytime I was denied by Donna. She did not allow us to come look at the puppies, and the only option was to get really bad quality digital photos with roses around the borders. Once we did get the puppy we had to meet Donna, along with about 10 other people, in a McDonald's parking lot in Kittery, Maine. She showed up in a van filled with dogs. Not sure why that was the case but it sure seemed like she didn't wany anyone near her house where the dogs were bred.

When we received the pup she was covered in fleas. She also had a heart arrhythmia and respiratory problems. Once it was all said and done we had over $350 in vet bills the first week. I poilitely asked Donna to cover the costs and faxed her all the vet bills. She down-right refused to pay. I called again, explained to her that the dog was delivered very sick and I should not be held responsible for the bills. She kept referring to her website disclaimer. Finally I told her I was about to file suit in her local small claims court. Once Donna got wind of that I had a check in my hands a few days later.

I purchased a female shih-tzu from Donna Foss four years ago. Prior to the purchase, I requested numerous times to come look at the littler. Everytime I was denied by Donna. She did not allow us to come look at the puppies, and the only option was to get really bad quality digital photos with roses around the borders. Once we did get the puppy we had to meet Donna, along with about 10 other people, in a McDonald's parking lot in Kittery, Maine. She showed up in a van filled with dogs. Not sure why that was the case but it sure seemed like she didn't wany anyone near her house where the dogs were bred.

When we received the pup she was covered in fleas. She also had a heart arrhythmia and respiratory problems. Once it was all said and done we had over $350 in vet bills the first week. I poilitely asked Donna to cover the costs and faxed her all the vet bills. She down-right refused to pay. I called again, explained to her that the dog was delivered very sick and I should not be held responsible for the bills. She kept referring to her website disclaimer. Finally I told her I was about to file suit in her local small claims court. Once Donna got wind of that I had a check in my hands a few days later.

I purchased a female shih-tzu from Donna Foss four years ago. Prior to the purchase, I requested numerous times to come look at the littler. Everytime I was denied by Donna. She did not allow us to come look at the puppies, and the only option was to get really bad quality digital photos with roses around the borders. Once we did get the puppy we had to meet Donna, along with about 10 other people, in a McDonald's parking lot in Kittery, Maine. She showed up in a van filled with dogs. Not sure why that was the case but it sure seemed like she didn't wany anyone near her house where the dogs were bred.

When we received the pup she was covered in fleas. She also had a heart arrhythmia and respiratory problems. Once it was all said and done we had over $350 in vet bills the first week. I poilitely asked Donna to cover the costs and faxed her all the vet bills. She down-right refused to pay. I called again, explained to her that the dog was delivered very sick and I should not be held responsible for the bills. She kept referring to her website disclaimer. Finally I told her I was about to file suit in her local small claims court. Once Donna got wind of that I had a check in my hands a few days later.

Elonda--I too had a terrible run in with Donna. Two years ago I got my Shitzu from her. The dog has a severe underbite, had stenotic nares and had a umbilical hernia. Two Vets agreed with this. Donna agreed to pay for the stenotic nares surgery--but never did. Also, about a year ago she was in the news here in Maine for allegedly giving dogs to people who were in turn selling them out of a van. She claimed that she had been stiffed by the people--but as you may know she wouldn't give me or yourself the dog until she had a deposit..so how can she claim she gave the dogs to someone without them paying??? Something is fishy there.

Foss is selling shitzu's and yorkies now...i wonder what the department of health would find if they went to her home. I imagine it is not a pretty sight. I just feel bad for the poor dogs--they didn't ask for this.

I was also told that my dog was probably inbred.

People like DF shouldn't be allowed to breed dogs.

Silvia I know you contacted the breeder about the puppy she is holding for you in replacement for one of the the dogs you mention here. You are getting your replacement. Now just move on. YOU also Have to know what you are selling and STOP advertising on american sites that you have puppies for sale that can be registered with our club when they cannot be. You are just mad because you didn't get your money back and that is what you wanted, you wanted me to be stuck with dogs I cannot sell here in the US after I paid you BIG money for them. THe price we get for dogs with other registries here other than AKC is NO WHERE near what I paid you for those two dogs. You are nothing more than a scam and you know it, now leave me alone I have more important things to do with my time, you need to find more important things to do with yours.

elonda you a big joke really...i wants to build my breeding programm with your money??? hahahaha i breed now 6 years and i know you one year so what. YOU wanted my dogs and YOU the buyer so YOU have to check YOUR club in YOUR country.

when i buy a dog in the states than I have to check MY club if i can register them. i tried it and you know it and a breeder in the states checked it also and told me no problem so its not my fault and i did nothing wrong.

you will be never a good breeder you will only hurt other prople that is all you can and fighting all the time. but what goes around will come around and your time will come sooner as you want

My last response. Silvia I think this is a threat and do you know what can happen when you threaten someone???? Why don't you send back all the nice things I bought you when you "acted" like I was such a good friend, or is that just another waste. The ONLY thing you wanted out of me was MONEY so you could build your breeding program, I noticed when I told the breeder that you could NOT use my deposit for your white female, you ended up not getting her.You are just mad because this did not go in your favor. The dogs are here Silvia when you want to PAY yourself to bring them back to you. YOU were the seller and YOU misrepresented the dogs, why in the hell do you think I need to pay to ship them back to you?????????????????????????????????

Silvia for your info those dogs were NOT sold for any money and you know that, so say what you want. The one person that has one of them asked you to take a black/tan female in exchange for the black/tan male and you told her you did not want anymore dogs. In fact she is still holding a female for you in case you change your mind. I AM NOT paying to ship those dogs back to you that should have never been sold here in the US when we cannot register them with the AKC. It would cost me over $1000 to ship them back to you, I offered you to sell them and send you whatever I could get out of them, YOU refused that, I asked you to send me a dog that I could register with the AKC, and in return I would send these back, you also refused. So keep writing whatever you want to write honey I have MANY breeders that agree with me, if you want these dogs then you needed to pay shipping to get them back. You just want everything and everything YOUR way, so now go beg someone else for dogs like you did me, you whined constantly to me wanting dogs, I guess you thought I was your bank and would help you get what you wanted. Now that is over and you are mad because things did not go your way. Sell your dogs in Germany where they can be registered. Now as far as Donna, we are working on my refund, so nothing needs to be said. Once I get that refund for dogs that Donna canelled because of this mess, I will post it here for everyone to see. I am tired of begging for my money, I have more important things to deal with in a parent with alzheimers, so I have no more time to WASTE on this

Donna is really nice and you elonda you such a cheater.
you got your money back now from your CC company and you have also the two dogs so you think that is ok? if you buy an item at the internet and you dont like it, than you have to send it back at your cost and than you get your money back. now you have both the money and the dogs really nice. so you can sell them and you have the money double. and you say donna is dishonest? you are dishonest.

i am so mad really i cant tell. i know now that you did that to many breeders and now you try it with donna also. donna is so nice and so honest and you will cheat her? i have so many dogs from donna and she was alway fair and nice and its so easy to work with her. i would buy anytime from her.

i wish you elonda that you get some puppy buyers like you are i am sure you would need a psychater but you need it anyway you really sick.
i will do now all i can that someone get after you when you dont send the dogs back.

Because you have chosen to get "all" your friends involved, I have now reported you also to the IC3 (internet fraud) was also advised to do so, and also reported you to the 3 main credit reporting companys

So glad you folks had wonderful experiences with her, I have the documentation that mine has NOT been so pleasant and also have the emails of the other breeder that has the same issue. HOW IRONIC. Somehow I think this is like a LOT of other reports, Donna is having her "friends" to defend her and those are people she does not owe thousands of dollars to, Go play your games with someone else, we all know what you are. And soon your credit report will know about it as I have made sure of that. Good Luck soon you will need it.

Hello Ms. Womack,I have read a few of your posts here ,and it has been quite disturbing to me needless to say. I have purchased many dogs from Donna Foss of Maine and have always had such a pleasurable experience with her.The woman has always been a true lady and a friend.I am not a breeder but a person who loves the shih tzu breed.on my last count I own 6 of them... Might I add all from Donna.There was one time I needed the dog shipped out on a certain date, I still had not sent money for shipping, well , let me tell you, this gal made darn sure I got my dog, It was a surprise for my daughter's birthday...Donna made sure we got it !She has always gone above and beyond to help us. a rip off????? No,, a scammer????? No,, just a true honest nice lady breeding quality shih tzu and serving the public well.I will add I did have to respond,as it hurts me to see anyone as nice as this lady torn apart....I am sure Ms Womack, if you dropped the attitude and stopped posting all this nonsense, both of you could come to terms. I know Ms Foss would ..I will say she is and has been a wonderful help, wonderful breeder, and I would go back tomorrow and buy another pup from her......Fighting and threats will get you no where Ms Womack........I hope you have a wonderful evening....

Well, Ms Womack ,I have every right to post my opinion. I have known about this from the "get go".
Have seen every email "to & from " . About the only "name" Donna called you is "twit". I did not see any profanities, nor did I see any lewd "suggestions". Can you say the same ?Remember now "we " have it in print with your email address.
I never mentioned a "Barb". It seems to me,as I read thru hear and your emails, that when the "spotlight" is on you, you try to defer the attention away from you,bringing something or someone else into it.

I wonder Ms Womack, how do you take proper care of your dogs, run a proper breeding program, or even pay attention to your marriage, when you spend all your time with emails etc ?
Well folks Ms Womack said herself, go to www.elondawomack.com it speaks VOLUMES !

Most good folk know ALL bout Ms Womack !
Dont worry Ms Womack, come back with another comment. I will not be bothered to respond once again to the likes of you !

Well, Ms Womack ,I have every right to post my opinion. I have known about this from the "get go".
Have seen every email "to & from " . About the only "name" Donna called you is "twit". I did not see any profanities, nor did I see any lewd "suggestions". Can you say the same ?Remember now "we " have it in print with your email address.
I never mentioned a "Barb". It seems to me,as I read thru hear and your emails, that when the "spotlight" is on you, you try to defer the attention away from you,bringing something or someone else into it.

I wonder Ms Womack, how do you take proper care of your dogs, run a proper breeding program, or even pay attention to your marriage, when you spend all your time with emails etc ?
Well folks Ms Womack said herself, go to www.elondawomack.com it speaks VOLUMES !

Most good folk know ALL bout Ms Womack !
Dont worry Ms Womack, come back with another comment. I will not be bothered to respond once again to the likes of you !

Well, Ms Womack ,I have every right to post my opinion. I have known about this from the "get go".
Have seen every email "to & from " . About the only "name" Donna called you is "twit". I did not see any profanities, nor did I see any lewd "suggestions". Can you say the same ?Remember now "we " have it in print with your email address.
I never mentioned a "Barb". It seems to me,as I read thru hear and your emails, that when the "spotlight" is on you, you try to defer the attention away from you,bringing something or someone else into it.

I wonder Ms Womack, how do you take proper care of your dogs, run a proper breeding program, or even pay attention to your marriage, when you spend all your time with emails etc ?
Well folks Ms Womack said herself, go to www.elondawomack.com it speaks VOLUMES !

Most good folk know ALL bout Ms Womack !
Dont worry Ms Womack, come back with another comment. I will not be bothered to respond once again to the likes of you !

Sorry Rick but you are clueless. Also sorry to tell you but we are ALL upon hard times and my money comes as HARD as yours and Donna's, SHE cancelled these sales and $2200 is nothing to sneeze at. Now if you want i can post an email where DOnna has also ripped of another breeder, has had the dog from her for 6 months and NO money. So needless to say WE are about to take action against her. And as far as her ailing husband. DON'T even go there I am dealing with my father and alzheimers. And as far as my mouth, I can also send emails where her friend Barb and her ALSO called me names and ESPECIALLY her friend Barb used some VERY explicit language. So I think it would be to your advantage to butt out when YOUR money is not involved. This is NO laughing matter this is about to be a serious matter. I am sick and tired of the BS and people trying to steal my money and will prove to anyone what I WILL do. My first step was the certified letter as my lawyer suggested, and she refused then I called the Deputy in her town, pretty soon all is about to see what I WILL do.

1st let me say , it behooves me ,how you "ladies" have nothing else better to do !
I can say this , I bought a gorgeous breeding pair from Donna approx 7 yrs ago. Now at the time, I was to send all the money to her prior to shipping . For the record, I am not a "breeder", just wanted to have a litter or two. I did send her almost 1/2. But then, not long after, I ran upon hard times.
But you know what ? Donna sent my gorgeous pair to me anyway ! Took me almost a year and 1/2 to pay her.Did she hassle me ?? NO ! Did she go on sites such as this one and run a muck with her mouth ?? NO !! She was and is a LADY !
Not so, from what I hear of Ms Womack !NEVER in my life , and Im 71, have I known a "lady" I use that term loosely, use such language and in emails no less !
I can attest that Donna is a good and honest person and very much a LADY ! Did you ever stop and think Ms Womack that Donna has come on hard times?? I dont know if any of you know or care, but she has an ailing husband. Does she complain ? NO ! Does she ever mention to you as an excuse? Bet not ! Because she is a proud woman , who has better things to do than deal with such mean spirited ,person(s) such as yourself !

I sent Donna a certified letter as advised by my attorney on April 11, 2007. Today it was returned "Refused" Apparrently Donna thinks I will not pursue this, but the certified letter was my first step.

Well how ironic that I get an email from another breeder that has been scammed by Donna. I have been told by another breeder that she sent Donna a dog (because she needed to place one and was told she could trust Donna) six months ago and has YET to see her money. And Donna did the same thing to her and told her she was sending it certified mail a month ago. Can anyone trust Donna? I know I certainly wish I never would have.

if so i would post it so no body else gets ripped off sompeople think this is not a legitimate place but its this and court sounds pretty serious to me also elonda I will take out a add in the people who ripped me off newspaper and call the news in their area also.

people need to learn if they need money dont take from me ask me if your are poor i will donate you money no problem. but when you lie and steal no way buddy its on so post a in her home town paper i know i am in arkansas against people who ripped me off and call their vet and she already told me her life and even the police said they sounded familiar and will dig up dirt on them .see we as a consumer roll over and take it they keep ripping people off .

if i can stop them from another scam i will and if i can teach someone to keep their nose out of my and someone elses business i will. I know i am in the right harrassment is when that person owes you nothing but when they owe you and call your phone continually i am in clear. graig had me write something boagus to his email but that was before he told me the truth about everything.

Today is May 5th and still no money from Donna, after she bragged in emails to me last week about selling 7 puppies. I ask ANYONE is this the type of persons hands you want your money in???????? I think I have given her long enough, so action will be taken. I will post on here the outcome.

You know Barbara, you originally responded on this report to defend your friend Donna. The REAL issue here is Donna owes me over $2000 and has owed it for some time and told me back on April 3rd she would be sending it very soon by certified mail as SHE was the one that cancelled the puppys I had paid for.

Donna was bragging to me a few days ago in one of her immature emails to me, that she had just sold 7 puppies, if that is the "truth" then there is absolutley NO reason why she cannot send my money back to me.

This is the WHOLE problem here, and I think if someone "anyone" owed you (Barbara) over $2000 and was going around bragging about how many puppies they had sold, you would be fighting for your money. I really could care less about ALL of this other petty BS, all I want is MY money and be done with you all, I am sick and tired of being bullied by immature housewifes that have nothing better to do with their time than fight. NOW STOP going off the deep end here Barbara and get back to the real issue

Elonda,I am so tired of you, I never ever sent you email and started with you. When I put a post on here for Donna Foss, you went nuts and started all the filthy emails...Honestly do you think I am going to sit back and take all that abuse from you? You want to post my emails go right ahead, and I will post the ones you have sent me, where you tell me what my dogs should do to me.. everyone I am sorry, use your imagination.... AND ALSO, what I should do to my father, brother, son...(again use your imagination everyone) well first off Elonda my dad is dead 26 years......Lets not get into this,Elonda, because I have folders and folders full of you abusing me verbally....With me, you wanna sling mud,I will sling it back, but stop lying. Then you send porno sights to me.. Then last night, you tell me and Donna that it was your husband doing all the filthy emails.You call my dogs garbage and crap. Well I love my dogs, and as far as me having only a few, because you keep saying I can't afford more. No Elonda, this is not the case. In N.Y we have laws and rules, on long Island we have Nassau county and Suffolk county. the rule is 3 pets in nassau, 10 pets in suffolk..So I abide by the rules. I don't want to lose my babies, or be called a back yard puppy mill. so Get your facts straight.You want to post my picture and my emails, go right ahead.they are no match for yours and you know it. I am sorry for Donna Silvia and anyone else who has to deal with you.I don't have to deal with you. You are so disrespectful to other breeders, especially the older ones who have been around a long time. You think you know it all. Let me tell you,I have had alot more litters than you, and I can tell you, one day you are going to look for an old time breeder to help you. but your not going to get it.You just don't get it, that everyday you learn something new..I enjoy talking to the older breeders that have been around, it has helped me tremendously..... Now this email thing, you keep making on here like it was me..... it's ok I am sure people know, you love typing and pushing that send button..Honestly I think your finger is glued to it...and again I am allowed to post my thoughts,There has been nothing bad said about you.read above.Again I don't do this for my living, I love these little guys, and hope to continue for a while doing it, and taking advice, good solid advice from old time breeders...so a word of advice to you, You should do the same. you are a novice Elonda face facts..And we have alot to learn. So you can come on here and post your nice little letters,, and make like your so dignified..... There is nothing further from the truth. now don't email me anymore,I have no more room in my mail box. as for you telling me that you hope my car runs off a cliff with me in it.... what can I say, your only digging graves for other people... do me a favor and stay away from me .. far away.. we have no buisness ,,you and I to discuss..... have a good day and I hope one day you make it right with everyone....and I do feel so bad for that lady Jane Rich, shes a sweet lady....You just attack everyone, your like a shark, swimming in a pool of blood..

And as far as selling dogs. IF I have a dog that I do not feel is breeding quality once it gets mature. YES I place it in a pet home. unlike you Silvia and others that breed ANYTHING and EVERYTHING. At Least Silvia I do not lie to people I owe dogs to and tell them the dog they are supposed to be getting has huge hernias, so I can keep them, Like you did, NOW do you want me to post that email honey. I told you when you did that it was WRONG. Ethical breeders when they owe someone somthing they pay up. And so funny how I was your best friend when I was sending you money left and right for your dogs, now that is not happening and I am a liar and troublemaker. People can see what you are.

Silvia I asked you to send me the dogs that I paid for In return for these that could be AKC reg, and you refused. You need to make this right, by doing the right thing, MANY breeders have told me that. I told you I would "pay" to send these dogs back if you would send me those dogs that I could register with my kennel club. Regardless of whose "fault" it is, you need to do the right thing and either pay to get your dogs shipped back to you and leave it alone. or send me dogs that I CAN register with my registry.

and as far as my mouth your FRIEND Barb has sent me some VERY nasty emails and they are about to be posted on a site especially for her and her friend Donna. I tried to post them here and the editor removed them they were so bad. Actually honey she started the foul language. You need to tell your friends to STOP the fighting and move on, send my money back for dogs that SHE cancelled and we are done.

First of all i am the Breeder from Germany, where Elonda spoke from and i have many Problems now with her. She baught two of my dogs and wanted more, because she told me (like she tell every breeder) mine are the best quality she ever saw. A few Weeks ago now she find out that my Dogs cant be registered with AKC. But i asked AKC before i trated or sold my first pup, if my Dogs can be registered and they told me no problem. Another Breeder from Texas (Jennifer) were i trade my first pup, called AKC and asked them about the registery and they told her no Problem. So i sold and trade some Pups. No one checked again if they can be registered. I live in Germany and the Buyer has to proof if the Club will accept my Dogs Papers. When i buy a Pup from America i have to ask my Club also if they will accept the Papers from America right?? Not the Breeder in another Country has to do that. So now i am a bad Person and a Cheater and a Scammer because my Dogs cant be registered with AKC and Elonda tryed now to get all her Money back also for the Dogs she has. But that is not ok. I pray to God she wont get it back. I told her i will pay the Deposit back but not the Money for the Dogs, but she wont wait and charged it all back thru her Credit Card Company. But now Paypal will proof all and we will see.

And Donna is an honest and beautyfull Breeder. We had some Problems at the beginning but now we are really good and she gave me beautyfull Dogs. She told me everytime when a Pup is not ok and she wont send me it for Breeding. I have 8 Dogs from Donna and all are beautyfull, great bites and coat and color. And Donna has nothing to do with selling my Pups. I never sold a Pup to a Jennifer and never sold a pup for $3000 that is stupid. I trade only one Pup with a Breeder in Texas and she never pay we traded.

So Elonda stop fighting and begin to enjoy your Dogs. Stop liening all the Time. Many, many Breeder knows you and how you are. You fight now with Donna and Barb, because they dont told you what you want to hear. You think you a good Breeder??? Start to breeding and than we will see. You not a Breeder when you have two litters. When you were a good Breeder why you sell all the time your Dogs, when they are a short Time before you can breed them?? You want Pups all time and no Adults that is why you change all time your Dogs.

You pay Deposits and than you cancel and want your Money back. You send Pups back when they dont have the color you want. You have to learn many things.

And what you wrote Barb in the emails is so bad omg. I never met a Woman who has such a Mouth like you.

STOP FIGHTING.

Elonda, I really had a good laugh, when I read about all my worldly possesions you wrote about.. Well my dear Elonda,do you honestly think I need you telling me about your little friend that tells you we are paupers and we live day by day... Let me clue you in sweetness.....I don't kick out my buisness or any of my financial status,, but come on dear, when you start pushing my buttons about how your friend tells you all this stuff about me,,, well then dear I have to defend myself....Why are you girls so nosey, that you need to discuss someone elses financial status???? does it bother you? Think what you may and she can also... but come on we all know the truth now don't we???? Now Elonda you need to go away and count all that money you told me you have from an inheritance,, Perosnally my dear I don't give a d**n what you have.... and as far as me copying her furnishings,, no you are wrong again Elonda,, I have primitive.. oops sorry probaly something you would not know of,, and these days I really don't know what she has, and I could care less.And as for dogs,,, Elonda sweety like I told you ,I could buy a ton.... Don't want to. Don't need to.This is not my living ...so now I am done,after you have tried to make a ridiculous fool out of me... but rememeber Elonda you need to wake up early to get one over on me...... oh Elonda??? fix your panties hon! it's repulsive....:)

Elonda you have gone to far. just because I defended my friend, you have now emailed me about 90 times. Called me names I have never been called before, your mouth is filthy and vulgar. last straw , you are now sending me porno in my emails. Well my daughter opened it , as she was on my computer. Do you know the consequences of sending porno to a child in the mail? I think it is time for you to take control of yourself. I have nothing more to say about you. You are a women who is totally out of your mind.. Also you emailed me and wished for another breeder to have a heart attack. Elonda, there is no stopping you is there? I will not respond on here any more. You need to get hold of yourself. you are totally, again totally out of control.

Elonda you have gone to far. just because I defended my friend, you have now emailed me about 90 times. Called me names I have never been called before, your mouth is filthy and vulgar. last straw , you are now sending me porno in my emails. Well my daughter opened it , as she was on my computer. Do you know the consequences of sending porno to a child in the mail? I think it is time for you to take control of yourself. I have nothing more to say about you. You are a women who is totally out of your mind.. Also you emailed me and wished for another breeder to have a heart attack. Elonda, there is no stopping you is there? I will not respond on here any more. You need to get hold of yourself. you are totally, again totally out of control.

Elonda you have gone to far. just because I defended my friend, you have now emailed me about 90 times. Called me names I have never been called before, your mouth is filthy and vulgar. last straw , you are now sending me porno in my emails. Well my daughter opened it , as she was on my computer. Do you know the consequences of sending porno to a child in the mail? I think it is time for you to take control of yourself. I have nothing more to say about you. You are a women who is totally out of your mind.. Also you emailed me and wished for another breeder to have a heart attack. Elonda, there is no stopping you is there? I will not respond on here any more. You need to get hold of yourself. you are totally, again totally out of control.

Elonda you have gone to far. just because I defended my friend, you have now emailed me about 90 times. Called me names I have never been called before, your mouth is filthy and vulgar. last straw , you are now sending me porno in my emails. Well my daughter opened it , as she was on my computer. Do you know the consequences of sending porno to a child in the mail? I think it is time for you to take control of yourself. I have nothing more to say about you. You are a women who is totally out of your mind.. Also you emailed me and wished for another breeder to have a heart attack. Elonda, there is no stopping you is there? I will not respond on here any more. You need to get hold of yourself. you are totally, again totally out of control.

A toilet bowl, would you want people to see some of the language in your emaails GO Take your prozac maybe that will help you

Barbara, I just want to say apprarently you are gullible and so new at breeding that you have no more sense that to listen to what these breeders tell you, they will tell you what they want you to hear, when they are selling you defects. Bad bites is something that is not bred out. Don't we as RESPONSIBLE breeders breed away from defects and if we keep breeding them, is that what we are supposed to be doing?????? Dogs with bad bites should be placed in pet homes only, so no breeder should tell you they can be bred out. You need to stick to your other hobbies such as your Mercedes, Harleys, boats and Versace glasses and stay out of dog breeding if you are so irresponsible.

I personally want to better the breed. This breeding world is nothing more than a scam by a LOT of breeders. It is just a money making scam and they are using these poor animals to their benefit. The only reason I am reported here and other places on this report and the internet is because I WILL NOT stand back and be cheated out of hard earned money and let them benefit from it. I will stand my ground EVERYTIME someone tries it. BUT I do have many references of people that have sold me excellent quality breeding stock and have NEVER had any problems with me. I know what I want in dogs and will settle for nothing less.

This women Elonda really needs to get a grip..... she has a mouth like a toilet bowl......Nothing more to be said......And Elonda I know you are going to respond,, because you can't help yourself!!!!

Oh Donna honey you are so right, and I am sooo wrong. You don't even want me to start posting emails that you have sent. LOL BUT I won't stoop to your level because I think everyone can see here who is certifiable, but if ANYONE would like to see them my email is (((INFO REDACTED FOR SECURITY PURPOSES))). I would he happy to share them. Donna just send my money beck which is ALL I asked for in the first place and WHY you are sooo mad and this will end, and I hope to God I never hear your name again.

CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.

I received this email for Elonda tonight :

4/26/2007 11:08:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
I am not going to stoop to your level and keep responding on rip off to your stupidty and childish behaviour that caused all of this s**t in the ftist place, BUT I do have one thing to say, YOU MAY THINK you are going to keep deducing, well KEEP THINKING, because honey we are about to see.

AND just as I said she couldnt HELP herself she did exactly what she said she would NOT do ! LOL
Why the heck would I care if she kept the dogs or not ?? Now does that make any sense ?? You see once again read beween the lines, that is what this is all about. She asked me for an opinion and she didnt like what she heard ! Said it herself in here ! So off she went ! Drama, drama !
And the site about Elonda ? I NEVER said it was a joke that is a lie ! Had not even read it till recently !
I have a LIFE , Id suggest Elonda that you get one !

This is my LAST reponse on here as this is not the place for arguing, I have stated FACTS only and can prove them to anyone. The site Donna is talking about is www.ElondaWomack.com please ANYONE go to that site and read that crap, I would love for you to, It is the same as this, someone that don't want a new breeder in the business and TRYS to CHEAT them and when they get caught in the acts of doing WRONG, they get mad and make up things to post on the net, Yes I did have a problem with that lady Mrs Rich, BUT many reputable breeders have emailed since then (I still have the emails) and told me it is a JOKE, she needs to grow up and take it down. Donna also told me herself how much of a joke it was when I purchased my first shih tzu from her, NOW because she is upset and LOSING this battle, she wants to do as all others have and throw that site up to try and make me look bad and herself look good. ACT YOUR AGE DONNA!!!

Now I think EVERYONE can see how immature Donna is by keeping this going and arguing about this. Obviously she likes to fight and that is evident from the night I ask her opinion on the dogs from Germany to which she states in her last rebuttal that I changed my mind on keeping them, yes I did because I had the chance to sell them and wanted to be fair and send Silvia (the breeder) what I got from them since I was reimbursed. I think that was ethical on my part, but apparently Donna WANTED me to keep the dogs and get my money back,. so she and others could go around trashing me for doing so. I am DONE with you Donna, I am not a fighter, but will not sit back and let someone take me for thousands of dollars, YOU OR ANYONE ELSE. You are not worth my time, and as far as DEDUCTING, we are about to see about that.

What Elonda doesnt tell you is about the 1st pup she got from me, Azlyn, have many emails from Elonda raving about her.

1st of all, the red pup was not mine intially,I had her here for a short time. When elonda got her , 1st she complained she had too much white. Mind you now I sent her full front view showing a good picture of her. She has white socks and white on her chest. How Elonda could not see that is beyond me ! Then I get yet another email, stating the dogs tongue sticks out, ( it doesnt) and she had a bad bite ! ( she doesnt) Have seen show dogs with worse ! THEN, I get another email recently about the dogs ears ! So I asked her what the devil was wrong with her ears ?!

You know what it was ? She had alot of HAIR in her ears ! Pardon me Elonda, I FORGOT to pull the hair out of her ears ! Shoot me why dont you !I said send her back ! Did I back out of the sale ?? Yes I did ! Because she had to continue calling me names etc, and I had enough !
Yeap did say I would refund her money, I sent her an email, said it would be coming shortly, did NOT give an exact date ! As far as her 750.00 deposit have an email from her telling me to KEEP it !!!

Elonda got her panties in a bunch because... she called me then emailed me about the dogs from Germany. Told her what I thought. Said she is going to place the males, told her to do what she needed to do, not up to me. THEN, a couple hours later she emails me again said she is placing them. I said I thought you were keeping them ? I dont understand how someone can make one decision then changes it within a couple hours. WELLL, that set her off, from then on she sent me email after email telling me Im like all the rest I just dont care about anyone but myself, blah blah ! The "saga" continued into that eve,she called me names, made accusations etc etc. I told her to please stop ! I even emailed her saying look Elonda, I dont want to fight with you this is crazy, I think we BOTH got out of hand here, and I apologized for anything I MIGHT of said, when actually all I said was the truth as I saw it, but thats not what she wanted to hear. I also told her I did NOT want to get involved with this thing and the breeder in Germany !

Bottom line , it was HER responsibility as well as others to see if the dogs could be registered in the States ! Now how I am to blame for that I have no clue ! And as far as this Jennifer in Dallas. No Jennifer EVER bought a dog from me that came from Germany, nor did I refer anyone !
Others got Germany dogs WAY before I was even aware of them ! There is a web site out there will be glad to give it to anyone , that another breeder posted with HER experience with Elonda as well as many breeders. This is what Elonda is famous for !You should see her foul language ! I was warned to stir clear of her , should of listened she is certifiable !

Elonda you came out of the woodwork , you think you know it all ! Well wait honey, just wait, your day is coming ! Been breeding for over 30 yrs, have MANY repeat buyers, and MANY by referral. One of these days you will have a disgruntled buyer, oh trust me it will happen !
You have not been around long enough to have a clue ! Used to be that breeders whatched out for each other , now thats few and far between. Now everyone is out there to hurt and defame one another ! How sad ! Oh by the way, give me names of the so called bad breeders I'm asociated with ! There isnt any ! Anyone that knows me can tell you I stay to myself , you are so full of it !

Keep it up Elonda, and I will keep deducting , by the time Im done you will get NATTA !

What Elonda doesnt tell you is about the 1st pup she got from me, Azlyn, have many emails from Elonda raving about her.

1st of all, the red pup was not mine intially,I had her here for a short time. When elonda got her , 1st she complained she had too much white. Mind you now I sent her full front view showing a good picture of her. She has white socks and white on her chest. How Elonda could not see that is beyond me ! Then I get yet another email, stating the dogs tongue sticks out, ( it doesnt) and she had a bad bite ! ( she doesnt) Have seen show dogs with worse ! THEN, I get another email recently about the dogs ears ! So I asked her what the devil was wrong with her ears ?!

You know what it was ? She had alot of HAIR in her ears ! Pardon me Elonda, I FORGOT to pull the hair out of her ears ! Shoot me why dont you !I said send her back ! Did I back out of the sale ?? Yes I did ! Because she had to continue calling me names etc, and I had enough !
Yeap did say I would refund her money, I sent her an email, said it would be coming shortly, did NOT give an exact date ! As far as her 750.00 deposit have an email from her telling me to KEEP it !!!

Elonda got her panties in a bunch because... she called me then emailed me about the dogs from Germany. Told her what I thought. Said she is going to place the males, told her to do what she needed to do, not up to me. THEN, a couple hours later she emails me again said she is placing them. I said I thought you were keeping them ? I dont understand how someone can make one decision then changes it within a couple hours. WELLL, that set her off, from then on she sent me email after email telling me Im like all the rest I just dont care about anyone but myself, blah blah ! The "saga" continued into that eve,she called me names, made accusations etc etc. I told her to please stop ! I even emailed her saying look Elonda, I dont want to fight with you this is crazy, I think we BOTH got out of hand here, and I apologized for anything I MIGHT of said, when actually all I said was the truth as I saw it, but thats not what she wanted to hear. I also told her I did NOT want to get involved with this thing and the breeder in Germany !

Bottom line , it was HER responsibility as well as others to see if the dogs could be registered in the States ! Now how I am to blame for that I have no clue ! And as far as this Jennifer in Dallas. No Jennifer EVER bought a dog from me that came from Germany, nor did I refer anyone !
Others got Germany dogs WAY before I was even aware of them ! There is a web site out there will be glad to give it to anyone , that another breeder posted with HER experience with Elonda as well as many breeders. This is what Elonda is famous for !You should see her foul language ! I was warned to stir clear of her , should of listened she is certifiable !

Elonda you came out of the woodwork , you think you know it all ! Well wait honey, just wait, your day is coming ! Been breeding for over 30 yrs, have MANY repeat buyers, and MANY by referral. One of these days you will have a disgruntled buyer, oh trust me it will happen !
You have not been around long enough to have a clue ! Used to be that breeders whatched out for each other , now thats few and far between. Now everyone is out there to hurt and defame one another ! How sad ! Oh by the way, give me names of the so called bad breeders I'm asociated with ! There isnt any ! Anyone that knows me can tell you I stay to myself , you are so full of it !

Keep it up Elonda, and I will keep deducting , by the time Im done you will get NATTA !

What Elonda doesnt tell you is about the 1st pup she got from me, Azlyn, have many emails from Elonda raving about her.

1st of all, the red pup was not mine intially,I had her here for a short time. When elonda got her , 1st she complained she had too much white. Mind you now I sent her full front view showing a good picture of her. She has white socks and white on her chest. How Elonda could not see that is beyond me ! Then I get yet another email, stating the dogs tongue sticks out, ( it doesnt) and she had a bad bite ! ( she doesnt) Have seen show dogs with worse ! THEN, I get another email recently about the dogs ears ! So I asked her what the devil was wrong with her ears ?!

You know what it was ? She had alot of HAIR in her ears ! Pardon me Elonda, I FORGOT to pull the hair out of her ears ! Shoot me why dont you !I said send her back ! Did I back out of the sale ?? Yes I did ! Because she had to continue calling me names etc, and I had enough !
Yeap did say I would refund her money, I sent her an email, said it would be coming shortly, did NOT give an exact date ! As far as her 750.00 deposit have an email from her telling me to KEEP it !!!

Elonda got her panties in a bunch because... she called me then emailed me about the dogs from Germany. Told her what I thought. Said she is going to place the males, told her to do what she needed to do, not up to me. THEN, a couple hours later she emails me again said she is placing them. I said I thought you were keeping them ? I dont understand how someone can make one decision then changes it within a couple hours. WELLL, that set her off, from then on she sent me email after email telling me Im like all the rest I just dont care about anyone but myself, blah blah ! The "saga" continued into that eve,she called me names, made accusations etc etc. I told her to please stop ! I even emailed her saying look Elonda, I dont want to fight with you this is crazy, I think we BOTH got out of hand here, and I apologized for anything I MIGHT of said, when actually all I said was the truth as I saw it, but thats not what she wanted to hear. I also told her I did NOT want to get involved with this thing and the breeder in Germany !

Bottom line , it was HER responsibility as well as others to see if the dogs could be registered in the States ! Now how I am to blame for that I have no clue ! And as far as this Jennifer in Dallas. No Jennifer EVER bought a dog from me that came from Germany, nor did I refer anyone !
Others got Germany dogs WAY before I was even aware of them ! There is a web site out there will be glad to give it to anyone , that another breeder posted with HER experience with Elonda as well as many breeders. This is what Elonda is famous for !You should see her foul language ! I was warned to stir clear of her , should of listened she is certifiable !

Elonda you came out of the woodwork , you think you know it all ! Well wait honey, just wait, your day is coming ! Been breeding for over 30 yrs, have MANY repeat buyers, and MANY by referral. One of these days you will have a disgruntled buyer, oh trust me it will happen !
You have not been around long enough to have a clue ! Used to be that breeders whatched out for each other , now thats few and far between. Now everyone is out there to hurt and defame one another ! How sad ! Oh by the way, give me names of the so called bad breeders I'm asociated with ! There isnt any ! Anyone that knows me can tell you I stay to myself , you are so full of it !

Keep it up Elonda, and I will keep deducting , by the time Im done you will get NATTA !

What Elonda doesnt tell you is about the 1st pup she got from me, Azlyn, have many emails from Elonda raving about her.

1st of all, the red pup was not mine intially,I had her here for a short time. When elonda got her , 1st she complained she had too much white. Mind you now I sent her full front view showing a good picture of her. She has white socks and white on her chest. How Elonda could not see that is beyond me ! Then I get yet another email, stating the dogs tongue sticks out, ( it doesnt) and she had a bad bite ! ( she doesnt) Have seen show dogs with worse ! THEN, I get another email recently about the dogs ears ! So I asked her what the devil was wrong with her ears ?!

You know what it was ? She had alot of HAIR in her ears ! Pardon me Elonda, I FORGOT to pull the hair out of her ears ! Shoot me why dont you !I said send her back ! Did I back out of the sale ?? Yes I did ! Because she had to continue calling me names etc, and I had enough !
Yeap did say I would refund her money, I sent her an email, said it would be coming shortly, did NOT give an exact date ! As far as her 750.00 deposit have an email from her telling me to KEEP it !!!

Elonda got her panties in a bunch because... she called me then emailed me about the dogs from Germany. Told her what I thought. Said she is going to place the males, told her to do what she needed to do, not up to me. THEN, a couple hours later she emails me again said she is placing them. I said I thought you were keeping them ? I dont understand how someone can make one decision then changes it within a couple hours. WELLL, that set her off, from then on she sent me email after email telling me Im like all the rest I just dont care about anyone but myself, blah blah ! The "saga" continued into that eve,she called me names, made accusations etc etc. I told her to please stop ! I even emailed her saying look Elonda, I dont want to fight with you this is crazy, I think we BOTH got out of hand here, and I apologized for anything I MIGHT of said, when actually all I said was the truth as I saw it, but thats not what she wanted to hear. I also told her I did NOT want to get involved with this thing and the breeder in Germany !

Bottom line , it was HER responsibility as well as others to see if the dogs could be registered in the States ! Now how I am to blame for that I have no clue ! And as far as this Jennifer in Dallas. No Jennifer EVER bought a dog from me that came from Germany, nor did I refer anyone !
Others got Germany dogs WAY before I was even aware of them ! There is a web site out there will be glad to give it to anyone , that another breeder posted with HER experience with Elonda as well as many breeders. This is what Elonda is famous for !You should see her foul language ! I was warned to stir clear of her , should of listened she is certifiable !

Elonda you came out of the woodwork , you think you know it all ! Well wait honey, just wait, your day is coming ! Been breeding for over 30 yrs, have MANY repeat buyers, and MANY by referral. One of these days you will have a disgruntled buyer, oh trust me it will happen !
You have not been around long enough to have a clue ! Used to be that breeders whatched out for each other , now thats few and far between. Now everyone is out there to hurt and defame one another ! How sad ! Oh by the way, give me names of the so called bad breeders I'm asociated with ! There isnt any ! Anyone that knows me can tell you I stay to myself , you are so full of it !

Keep it up Elonda, and I will keep deducting , by the time Im done you will get NATTA !

Barb, defend, defend, defend, all you want. I am not badmouthing Donna and for sure am not making this up, I have PROOF the dogs bite was HORRIBLE, and Donna should have been responsible enough to let me know that, she knew that dog was NOT going to a pet home, but to a breeder. That is ALL I need to say about that, she SHOULD have said the dogs bite was not good.

When she was planning on shipping me the other girl, she told me one had a small hernia and the other one did not so she was sending me the one without which was also a little darker in color. So WHY didn't she tell me about the bite.

I could CARE LESS how much money you have lost in this business or anyone else for that matter, YOU and THEY are not me, I refuse to let people take my money and Donna told me she would return it weeks ago and still has not, so what does that tell you, she is either TRYING to get away with it, or making me suffer by waiting because she knows she cancelled the sales I also knows I need the money to replace the dogs for my breeding program.

I wish anyone that reads this report could see some of the RUDE and arrogannt emails Donna kept sending me the night this started and all I was asking for was a piece of advice, if she didn't want to give it, then she should have just said so. The rude emails that I received were TOTALLY uncalled for. I am glad you are friends with Donna, BUT I have been told by many to STAY AWAY from her and wish I would have known that before I did business with her.

As far as the dogs from Germany, I am DONE with that deal, my cc company has refunded me, I was one of the fortunate ones, that Silvia didn't get away with scamming for thousands of dollars, I was her best friend and so called "sister" while I was sending money to her, until I had to do what I did, now i am her worst enemy, but neither here nor there. DONE DEAL and for sure a lesson learned. I am not bad mouthing anyone here, I am stating facts and I have the backup.

Elonda, you want to talk about money being out there? I bought several dogs from a local breeder,and after the fact, she actually went around telling everyone I had Walmart dogs! These were her dogs. needless to say, I placed all of them in pet homes.

There have been many pups I have purchased, and very dissapointed, but finacially I was able to place them and move on. bad bites, hernias, you name it I got it, and the pups were not cheap.I purchased a pup and the pup died while in the breeders care.

you know what she told me? NO REFUNDS. But as we know the longer you are in this buisness, you learn who is good and not so good. I have lost plenty, and been ripped off. Honestly again I say to you, I don't think Donna is out to keep your money. bad bite? well, as we know this Can usually be bred out. most experienced breeders will tell you that. I will tell you the problem here, you are all trying to out do one another with your doggies, for god sakes. it's totally ridiculous.

As for buying dogs from Germany, I don't think anyone twisted anyone's arm here. All I am trying to say here is Donna is not a crooked women.I know of others who are. So Elo nda being a new breeder, this is where you have to do your research. This business is cut throat, and back stabbers, you win some you lose some, BUT you can't tell me about losing money, sweety I have lost a ton, and gone on to replace.I can't tell you how many dogs have been placed in pet homes. but I will continue to breed and know who I am dealing with. The dogs in Germany, well that should of been checked out by You. And I have paid up to 2500 for a dog and had to place it. Again I am here to defend my friend Donna, and you yourself have dogs from her. why knock a bad bite on her pup, that can happen in a 4000 dog,I have seen it, I have seen champion sired, look like ponies with legs that are a mile long.

so again, don't knock , deal work it out and move on. but why try to damage someone else. Elonda you won't do it, the lady is in the business to long. you are new. and I am not trying to be sarcastic. But Like I said myself I got burnt many many times, you talked about all the money you lose. I don't even want to add mine up. But I have come to know now, what direction to go in. and sometimes jumping all over the place with breeders is not the answer.

No One has said anything about Donna not having nice pups, I have one girl from Donna that I absolutely love, BUT, the one red girl I got from her had a bad bite and her tongue DID stick out and I can prove it by 2 vets and another breeder. YOU Barbara are not the one that she is holding over $2000 of your money. Donna told me by email on April 3rd (and I have the emails for ANYONE to view) that she was sending my money back for the one puppy, but was NOT sending my deposit back for the puppy that I forfeited for silvia and Donna knows that is not fair, she even told me herself that was very nice of me to give that puppy up for Silvia. And for the last thing, yes it was a mistake getting those dogs from Silvia, and I am not blaming that on Donna other than I emailed Donna to ask her advice on what I should ask for the dogs so I could send SIlvia back some of her money and try to be as fair as I could be, and Donna was very rude to me telling me how crazy I was for not keeping the dogs and registering them with APRI, well for one, I did NOT pay for APRI registered dogs, those do NOT sell for $2000-$2500, which is what I paid for these dogs, and secondly I did not deserve the treatment Donna gave me when I was only asking her advice, she simply should have told me she did not want to get involved, there was no need for anything more. You Barbara do NOT know the whole story here and that usually is how it is when someone chooses to get involved in these things, I had a fortune out in money with SIlvia and all this money with Donna, I hardly think if it was YOU, you would be nice either, so put yourself in my shoes.

I am writing this on behalf of Donna Foss. I have known Donna for almost 3 years now.I have purchased some lovely dogs from her. Actually I have 4 of her dogs. And everyone gave me beautiful puppies!!!!Also Donna is very very reasonable with her pups as far as prices! I have seen bad bites and bad tongues on pups selling for 2000.00 So I will say, it's all in what you pick and luck of the draw! She is no crook,,,,,, Donna has been a wonderful person , she is always there to help and will never turn you away. So really there is no need to get vindictive, since many of us have pups from Donna , and from what I have read on sights, People were always happy with her pups!!! or do I need glasses???? Donna has been around a long time....shes very established,,, You can't blame someone else for something YOU didn't check into...... Think about this... it's totally ridiculous,,, people make mistakes . Obviously 2 of you breeders made yours... I have made many myself,,, so girls ..... Little word of advice,,,Move on, and get over it,,,Donna is not out to keep your money.The minute something goes wrong, you are cutting one anothers throats! But the day before, it's like OH THANKYOU SO AND SO FOR OUR LOVELY PUPPY,,, You all act so infantile.. it's pathetic,,,Donna Bless you, you have helped me. mentored me,, and have always been there for me!Keep it up,, in my book your the best! and by the way Thanks for all the beautiful puppies you have sold to me!

I am writing this on behalf of Donna Foss. I have known Donna for almost 3 years now.I have purchased some lovely dogs from her. Actually I have 4 of her dogs. And everyone gave me beautiful puppies!!!!Also Donna is very very reasonable with her pups as far as prices! I have seen bad bites and bad tongues on pups selling for 2000.00 So I will say, it's all in what you pick and luck of the draw! She is no crook,,,,,, Donna has been a wonderful person , she is always there to help and will never turn you away. So really there is no need to get vindictive, since many of us have pups from Donna , and from what I have read on sights, People were always happy with her pups!!! or do I need glasses???? Donna has been around a long time....shes very established,,, You can't blame someone else for something YOU didn't check into...... Think about this... it's totally ridiculous,,, people make mistakes . Obviously 2 of you breeders made yours... I have made many myself,,, so girls ..... Little word of advice,,,Move on, and get over it,,,Donna is not out to keep your money.The minute something goes wrong, you are cutting one anothers throats! But the day before, it's like OH THANKYOU SO AND SO FOR OUR LOVELY PUPPY,,, You all act so infantile.. it's pathetic,,,Donna Bless you, you have helped me. mentored me,, and have always been there for me!Keep it up,, in my book your the best! and by the way Thanks for all the beautiful puppies you have sold to me!

I am writing this on behalf of Donna Foss. I have known Donna for almost 3 years now.I have purchased some lovely dogs from her. Actually I have 4 of her dogs. And everyone gave me beautiful puppies!!!!Also Donna is very very reasonable with her pups as far as prices! I have seen bad bites and bad tongues on pups selling for 2000.00 So I will say, it's all in what you pick and luck of the draw! She is no crook,,,,,, Donna has been a wonderful person , she is always there to help and will never turn you away. So really there is no need to get vindictive, since many of us have pups from Donna , and from what I have read on sights, People were always happy with her pups!!! or do I need glasses???? Donna has been around a long time....shes very established,,, You can't blame someone else for something YOU didn't check into...... Think about this... it's totally ridiculous,,, people make mistakes . Obviously 2 of you breeders made yours... I have made many myself,,, so girls ..... Little word of advice,,,Move on, and get over it,,,Donna is not out to keep your money.The minute something goes wrong, you are cutting one anothers throats! But the day before, it's like OH THANKYOU SO AND SO FOR OUR LOVELY PUPPY,,, You all act so infantile.. it's pathetic,,,Donna Bless you, you have helped me. mentored me,, and have always been there for me!Keep it up,, in my book your the best! and by the way Thanks for all the beautiful puppies you have sold to me!

I am writing this on behalf of Donna Foss. I have known Donna for almost 3 years now.I have purchased some lovely dogs from her. Actually I have 4 of her dogs. And everyone gave me beautiful puppies!!!!Also Donna is very very reasonable with her pups as far as prices! I have seen bad bites and bad tongues on pups selling for 2000.00 So I will say, it's all in what you pick and luck of the draw! She is no crook,,,,,, Donna has been a wonderful person , she is always there to help and will never turn you away. So really there is no need to get vindictive, since many of us have pups from Donna , and from what I have read on sights, People were always happy with her pups!!! or do I need glasses???? Donna has been around a long time....shes very established,,, You can't blame someone else for something YOU didn't check into...... Think about this... it's totally ridiculous,,, people make mistakes . Obviously 2 of you breeders made yours... I have made many myself,,, so girls ..... Little word of advice,,,Move on, and get over it,,,Donna is not out to keep your money.The minute something goes wrong, you are cutting one anothers throats! But the day before, it's like OH THANKYOU SO AND SO FOR OUR LOVELY PUPPY,,, You all act so infantile.. it's pathetic,,,Donna Bless you, you have helped me. mentored me,, and have always been there for me!Keep it up,, in my book your the best! and by the way Thanks for all the beautiful puppies you have sold to me!

Hi!

I too bought a red female through Donna from her friend in Germany. It has been almost a year, and Silvia refuses to refund any of the money I spent ($3000 for the dog and $600 in shipping costs).

Warning to anyone who is purchasing a dog out of country, CHECK with AKC before purchasing to make 100% sure that the dog in FACT can be registered. Not all foreign registries are accepted by AKC! Do not believe the breeder, and do NOT believe Donna! She lied through her teeth, and now will not respond to anything that I have sent her about this.