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Complaint Review: Donna Varner- Theteacupchihuahua.com

Donna Varner- Theteacupchihuahua.com RIPPED OFF BY CHIHUAHUA BREEDER CLAYSVILLE PENNSYLVANIA

  • Reported By:
    Miami Florida
  • Submitted:
    Wed, November 05, 2008
  • Updated:
    Thu, March 12, 2009
  • Donna Varner- Theteacupchihuahua.com
    24 Varner Drive
    Nationwide
    U.S.A.
  • Phone:
    724-825-0124
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I have been talking to this lady Donna Varner from Claysville Pennsylvania, which is supposedly a 25 year hobby breeder that breeds "Micro"/"teacup" chihuahuas. She charges $4,000.00 to $5,000.00 for the puppies. I entered into a deal with her that she would sell me a "MICRO" chihuahua, 2.0lbs-2.5lbs as mature adult weight, it wouldn't grow more than that. First he was 5ounces, then 8.4ounces when I gave the deposit at about 5 weeks. As soon as I gave the deposit she stopped telling me how much the puppy weighed, excuses like she didn't have a digital scale, had to go to the post-office, didn't want to take the puppy out, etc. Needless to say before the second deposit was due, she said she put him on a food scale at home which was between 9-11ounces. The day of last deposit I asked for more pictures and exact digital weight from vet, which she promised, her answer was she was not going to do that and if I didn't put the rest of the money I would lose the deposit and she would sell the puppy to someone else. Of course I paid didn't want to lose the puppy and gave her the benefit of the doubt. Day of shipping in the crate was suppose to be 1)AKC papers,2)Health Guarantee; and 3) Written Size Guarantee. She emails after puppy is dropped off at airport that n/thing was included b/c she ran out of printer paper. I pick up puppy at airport and the dog is huge at 8 weeks already weighs 2.03lbs. I emailed her telling her she scammed me and ripped me off, she completely denied the incident and said I got what I paid for and that she didn't allow any returns or refund as stated on her website (even if I didn't get what she promised). Needless to say I have been talking to her since April through tons of emails and advised her that I was already ripped off by another breeder, etc., she always said don't worry I only breed small puppies not the "runt of the litter". She vicioulsy lied, scammed and took my $2,000.00 and gave me what will probably be a 5.0-6.0lbs dog which I could have gotten for $350.00 not $2,000.00. I told her to please either return my money or send me a real "Micro" and that I would send her the puppy back, and she said that she would not pick it up at the airport and that the they would eventually ship it back to me. I have contacted PayPal and American Express and will contact the Department of Agriculture and the Business Bureau so she does not rip anyone else off. She was a genuine LIAR, and I have over 80 emails to prove it. Please do not buy from this lady - DONNA VARNER FROM PENNSYLVANIA. SHE IS A RIP OFF ARTIST AND VICIOUS TOO AS SHE DIDN'T EVEN FEEL BAD AND THEN COMPLETELY LIED AFTER SHE SHIPPED THE PUPPY AND I RECEIVED NO PAPERWORK EITHER.

Ivin
Miami, Florida
U.S.A.

21 Updates & Rebuttals


Lisa

Canton,
Texas,
U.S.A.

Breeder of Chihuahuas - Some do's and some don'ts

#22Consumer Comment

Thu, March 12, 2009

I have read this buyer's complaints. It is clear the buyer is upset but I think the breeders website still covers what the breeder offers, it is informative. Once again, I do not know what transpired from conversations on phone or email between the buyer and breeder. I were the buyer I would wonder WHY I was being told a different story from that of the website.

I must add that I feel 8 pounds for a Chihuahua is very large but only the buyer knows the actual size and the fact that the puppy was 8 weeks old when the buyer received it then the socializing was the responsibility of the "Buyer". The buyer never stated any information when first posting her complaint about receiving a shy or unsocialized puppy. The puppy I assume was Happy and Healthy at 8 weeks old.

I, as a breeder of Chihuahuas, believe cases such as this complaint have truths and untruths, why this buyer spending good money did not follow website information and did not ask for references before buying is questionable. A buyer asking for references is common and the most obvious thing to do.

I feel for the puppy, regardless of size, it obviously is not receiving the proper love and care of this buyer. Socializing a puppy from 8 weeks old should be relatively easy and joyfull for owner and puppy. A 2 pound, 8 week old, Chihuahua Puppy is the cutest thing in the World! I feel the size indicates a normal healthy Chihuahua Puppy in this case. Buyers need to be aware that the Tiny Little Chihuahuas are not healthy and most generally have health issues that shorten their tiny lives here on earth.


Lisa

Canton,
Texas,
U.S.A.

Breeder of Chihuahuas - Some do's and some don'ts

#22Consumer Comment

Thu, March 12, 2009

I have read this buyer's complaints. It is clear the buyer is upset but I think the breeders website still covers what the breeder offers, it is informative. Once again, I do not know what transpired from conversations on phone or email between the buyer and breeder. I were the buyer I would wonder WHY I was being told a different story from that of the website.

I must add that I feel 8 pounds for a Chihuahua is very large but only the buyer knows the actual size and the fact that the puppy was 8 weeks old when the buyer received it then the socializing was the responsibility of the "Buyer". The buyer never stated any information when first posting her complaint about receiving a shy or unsocialized puppy. The puppy I assume was Happy and Healthy at 8 weeks old.

I, as a breeder of Chihuahuas, believe cases such as this complaint have truths and untruths, why this buyer spending good money did not follow website information and did not ask for references before buying is questionable. A buyer asking for references is common and the most obvious thing to do.

I feel for the puppy, regardless of size, it obviously is not receiving the proper love and care of this buyer. Socializing a puppy from 8 weeks old should be relatively easy and joyfull for owner and puppy. A 2 pound, 8 week old, Chihuahua Puppy is the cutest thing in the World! I feel the size indicates a normal healthy Chihuahua Puppy in this case. Buyers need to be aware that the Tiny Little Chihuahuas are not healthy and most generally have health issues that shorten their tiny lives here on earth.


Ivin

Miami,
Florida,
U.S.A.

BRIAN DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO READ- SINCE HER EMAILS TO ME STATED 2.5LBS ADULT SIZE NOT WHEN SHIPPED

#22Author of original report

Thu, March 12, 2009

Brian obviously also lives in Florida but apparently has gotten no sun at all. I guess he must be pale and lifeless as he does not know what he is talking about and cannot even begin to assimilate or know how to read emails. Poor guy, I'm actually starting to feel sorry for him because he is just so dense and stupid.
First of all her emails ALL OF THEM SAID she breeds "micros only" when you call her she says the puppies are between $4,000.00 and $5,000.00 b/c they are so small, and if you don't reserve it before it is born, the price actually goes up!!! If you see her web site she NEVER has ANY pictures of her puppies and also there are no references on her site of other people that have bought. You email her and she starts her scam, NEVER does she have anything posted. She told me three (3) days before he was shipped that he weighed 11 ounces at almost 8 weeks which is when she would be able to ship him, in the following three days before shipping she was suppose to weigh him again for me from the vet's office and give me all the information. THAT NEVER HAPPENED. Right before my first deposit she advised that she would send me weekly pictures, put him on the scale and give me actual weight, since I was paying $2800.00 for a "Micro". The first week after the deposit, I got the weight through email not a picture of the puppy on the scale as other breeders do. Then following that she advised that she did not have a scale that she had to go to the post office and weigh the puppy and hit was hard for her to get there, etc., and put the puppy at risk, etc. Yeah right. I told her how come if you've been doing this for so long you don't have a scale, she said b/c she didn't need one that her dogs were all small and her puppies were MICRO FULL GROWN ADULT SIZE. Unfortunately, yes I am a fool and took her word for it, I was actually so gullible and gave her the benefit of the doubt thinking maybe it is true and she's just an expert. When I received the puppy he was 2.03lbs at 8 weeks, HE ACTUALLY IS NOW 8LBS BY THE WAY MORE THAN THE AKC STANDARD CHIHUAHUA, the puppy obvisouly was never socialized, as he hates people, other dogs, can't socialize and doesn't get along with other dogs in the house either. I have 4 dogs in the house and they're all great except hers of course. I did tell her as soon as I got home from the airport that she had lied to me that he was not 11 ounces but 2.03lbs that I wanted a replacement that I would ship it back at my expense but that I didn't want to spend $2K for a regular size chi, and that she did not promise me that. She said look at my site, : "absolutely no returns and no refunds". She had no regard for lying to me, did not want the puppy back which I was going to ship at my expense and even went further to advise that 'SHE WOULD NOT PICK IT UP AT THE AIRPORT AND THE AIRLINES WOULD SHIP THE PUPPY BACK TO ME". Still to date, I'm not a breeder I don't know if this is true or not, but I did not want to take the risk of having the puppy shipped back and forth and risking it's health. Apparently SHE DID NOT CARE. I even arranged for a courier in her town to pick it up at the airport but since it was under her name, SHE HAD TO TO PICK IT UP AND SHOW ID, so I could not do that. I advised her that I was going to do the chargeback and save at least half of my money since she did not sell me what she had promised and now did not even want to exchange it for another real true "micro" as she promised. And after 6 months of speaking to her via emails, she had the odacity to tell me that "SHE NEVER PROMISED ME A MICRO". "UNREAL". I 've never felt so betrayed and fooled. Yes, I was taken like a real fool b/c I bought all her lies.

SO BRIAN AND EVERYONE ELSE OUT THERE- I HAVE NO REASON TO LIE, WHAT WOULD I GAIN? NOTHING! Not paying for the dog? Are you serious? Now I have to keep a puppy that is huge more than a regular chi, also not socialized at all "she use to tell me that the puppy was so tiny that she carried it in her hand all day and put sleep in her shoulder in bed, b/c he was such a tiny thing. IN ALL MY EMAILS MORE THAN 80, I kept re-iterating that are you sure he's going to be of the smalller chi's and she said of course, I know what I'm doing and the parents are small.

I DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT BRIAN OR ANYONE ELSE THINKS, I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE I WAS TAKEN LIKE A FOOL SO BLUNTLY AND EASILY!! I still have not decided which I probably will hire an attorney in Penn, and actually sue her for "fraud in the inducement" if not I would not have bought the puppy. I know for sure that I will spend more on filing fees, attorney's fees, etc., then the 1K she stole from me, BUT IT'S A MATTER OF PRINCIPAL, HONESTY and just taken so easily and wholeheartedly like a fool. She played with my feelings and totally lied and scammed me and then had the odacity to tell me that same day, that SHE NEVER SAID SUCH A THING!!!!!!! Right out, with no if and's or but's, REALLY UNREAL!!!!!!!

SO THIS IS JUST TO PEOPLE OUT THERE DON'T GET TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY THIS LADY AND HER SCAM OF SAYING THAT HER DOGS ARE SO SMALL THAT SHE HAS TO CHARGE 4k-5k FOR A PUPPY!!!!!!

SO BRIAN GIVE IT UP- AND YES, PLEASE GO OUT AND GET SOME SUN, I THINK YOU OBVIOUSLY NEED IT ASAP. POOR YOU!!!!!!


Lisa

Canton,
Texas,
U.S.A.

The Breeder's Website is very informative.

#22Consumer Comment

Wed, March 11, 2009

I am a breeder of Chihuahuas. I reviewed the breeder's website and this breeder does address the Teacup issue on her website along with health issues, I found the website to be very informative.
I do not know what emails transpired between the buyer and breeder but I feel the website clears the breeder of any guarantees to size. Honestly, a 8 week old healthy Chihuahua puppy should weigh approximately 2 pounds NOT 12 ounces! This is what alarmed me about this buyer. I think a person must use common since when reviewing these postings. I also believe that if the buyer stops payment on the puppy then the puppy should be returned to the breeder. I find it very hard to believe that this breeder refused to accept the puppy back but as I stated previously I do not know what transpired between the buyer and the breeder, just using common since again, if a person stops payment on a puppy and has agreed to send it back to you, you accept the puppy back. Just my opinions.


Meyers

Edward,
Colorado,
U.S.A.

CHIHUAHUA BREEDER KNOWS WHAT SHE IS DOING! A LIAR! A SCAMMER!

#22Consumer Suggestion

Mon, March 09, 2009

If the buyer wants a 2 lb grown Chihuahua then that is her business and she has the right to try to buy a 2 lb Chihuahua. The seller should represent correctly or she is committing fraud. 2 lbs at 8 weeks is NOT 2 lbs grown. This breeder is nothing more then a scammer who cannot sell her puppies normally so has to lie to and call them micros. She knows what she is doing. A CROOK for sure.


Brian W

Ft. Lauderdale,
Florida,
U.S.A.

Purchaser is Liar - This breeder is excellent

#22Consumer Comment

Wed, March 04, 2009

I urge those of you to email the breeder and ask her to "forward" this ladies emails to you. Mrs. Varner has emails from this person that supports that the purchaser is a LIAR. Mrs Varner forwarded me the emails that she sent to the purchaser with updated photos and weights of the puppy. In one of the emails that the breeder sent to the purchaser she states that the puppy should be in the 2 pound range when shipped. You don't have to go by the breeders words you can review the emails sent back and forth between the two of them. You will come to the same conclusion that I have, this lady in Florida has gotten to much sun, she wouldnt know how to speak the truth if it bit her on her butt.
This purchaser lies because she didnt want to pay for the puppy and scammed the breeder, proof is in her emails to the breeder! ASK BREEDER TO FORWARD EMAILS FROM THIS LADY THAT STOPPED PAYMENT IN FLORIDA! You will this purchaser's complaint is total lies.


Ivin

Miami,
Florida,
U.S.A.

BRIAN-WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? DO YOU HAVE A LIFE?

#22Author of original report

Tue, February 24, 2009

You don't know me or I you, you don't even know the half of my story for you to conclude that I am not telling the truth. I put it out there for others to be aware, and like you said if you had such a great experience with her before, why are you searching for her name in rip off reports? Anyone would obviously do this if they were first time buyers, but you had such a great experience, my question is why? You're obviously a scam too and are working for her or realted somehow, I can't think someone would actually waste their time doing this if they had a good experience with the Breeder. You are unreal!!!!!!!! If I were new buyer and reading all these comments from you, then I would be even more careful buying from her, you are obviously not doing her a favor, but burying her more into the ground with your dense comments that make no sense whatsoever, since of course what is she going to tell you? "Oh yes, I did rip her off, so sorry, I promised her a small tiny chi, but sold her a horse, that was me, oh yeah and by the way he really wasn't a pure chi either, papers what papers, I only said that so they would WIRE THE MONEY INTO MY PERSONAL ACCOUNT, you think I'm stupid?" Really, what else is she going to say!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND AT THIS POINT BRIAN DEAR WHAT DO I HAVE TO LOSE, WHY WOULD I MAKE IT UP!!!! ANY INTELLIGENT PERSON WOULD THINK WHAT DO I HAVE TO GAIN??????


Brian W

Ft. Lauderdale,
Florida,
U.S.A.

Purchaser has not been Honest - Email this Breeder - 2 sides to every story

#22Consumer Comment

Tue, February 24, 2009

I urge anyone who is looking for a puppy of any breed to do your home work before you purchase.
I came across this posting only after my wife and I decided to purchase another Chihuahua and a friend brought this to my attention, so I "asked" the breeder "What went wrong?" and I received emails to support that YOU for some reason DO NOT TELL THE TRUTH in several parts of your story.
I suggest before anyone gives this purchaser's complaints ANY merit PLEASE contact this Breeder, Mrs. Varner, and I am sure you will come to the same conclusion that I have.

My wife and I will be purchasing another Chihuahua puppy this year, we are on Mrs. Varners waiting list for a pup.


Ivin

Miami,
Florida,
U.S.A.

BRIAN- YOU ARE EITHER DENSE OR WORK FOR HER

#22Author of original report

Mon, February 23, 2009

Where is your email address for everyone to respond? I a not the Seller but the Buyer. I just wrote this for whomever would buy not to think that they're really getting a small, micro, tiny, toy, (whatever they call it chihuahua). For your information since you seem to avoid the obvious- I had been emailing her since last April and decided to finally purchase the puppy in September which got delivered to me in October 21. So yes, I've been speaking to her via email for quite a while, way before buying the puppy, but her prices were $4,000.00 to $5,000.00 which I could not afford. When she emailed me that she had this one available she said it was going for $3,800.00 but as already discussed previously she would sell it to me for $2,000.00 based on the above mentioned, and repeatedly stated that she only bred small "micro" as in emails and it would be a small chihuahua, and yes she also said as I showed her pictures of my other 5lb chi that would definately be a lot smaller. She could have taken the puppy back as soon as she shipped it, I offerred that or to exchange for what she had promised. SHE DECIDED TO DO NEITHER. I gave her all the options before finally resorting to get the other half of my money. I was not going to pay $2K for a 6.0lbs chi which was what I thought at that time and I was right, it is now 6.0lbs and not even a year yet till September which is the puppy's date of birth. As to the registration, which I didn't even mention, in her emails she said it would be sent in the crate (YOU KNOW WHAT I GOT IN CRATE: NOTHING), when I emailed her about that too, she said she would get to it when she had the time, which is not what she had promised in the first place. Everything was a lie, scam, a way to mislead and avoid the truth, until of course she got her money!!!!!! That's all that mattered, unfortunately in the end that's all that matters to these BREEDERS, MONEY!!!!!!!!! The last weeks she refused to send me pictures and said if I didn't give her the rest of the money I would lose the deposit and give the puppy to someone else, when I told her she too had to keep her end of the bargain. I do have the emails, tons and tons of them, I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING TO YOU. THEY CAN BELIEVE ME OR NOT, DON'T CARE, I ALREADY HALF MY MONEY, and unfortuantely did not get what I was promised!!!!! If your dog is great and you had a good experience with her, THEN AWESOME FOR YOU, what are you complaining about???? Why are you even bothering??? There seems to be more there then you are leading on. Why would you spend the time to go back and forth with the breeder if you already purchased your dog a year ago and were totally satisfied? YOU MUST HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO DO, or are somehow related to her!!!!!! No one else would really go through such transit of emails when you're totally satisfied and WHY IN THIS WORLD WOULD I GIVE MY EMAIL? I'm not the one selling the dogs? I'm just here to give my side of the story, I'm not selling them, that's up to the Buyers!!!! Just making them aware of what happened to me.


Ivin

Miami,
Florida,
U.S.A.

BRIAN- YOU ARE EITHER DENSE OR WORK FOR HER

#22Author of original report

Mon, February 23, 2009

Where is your email address for everyone to respond? I a not the Seller but the Buyer. I just wrote this for whomever would buy not to think that they're really getting a small, micro, tiny, toy, (whatever they call it chihuahua). For your information since you seem to avoid the obvious- I had been emailing her since last April and decided to finally purchase the puppy in September which got delivered to me in October 21. So yes, I've been speaking to her via email for quite a while, way before buying the puppy, but her prices were $4,000.00 to $5,000.00 which I could not afford. When she emailed me that she had this one available she said it was going for $3,800.00 but as already discussed previously she would sell it to me for $2,000.00 based on the above mentioned, and repeatedly stated that she only bred small "micro" as in emails and it would be a small chihuahua, and yes she also said as I showed her pictures of my other 5lb chi that would definately be a lot smaller. She could have taken the puppy back as soon as she shipped it, I offerred that or to exchange for what she had promised. SHE DECIDED TO DO NEITHER. I gave her all the options before finally resorting to get the other half of my money. I was not going to pay $2K for a 6.0lbs chi which was what I thought at that time and I was right, it is now 6.0lbs and not even a year yet till September which is the puppy's date of birth. As to the registration, which I didn't even mention, in her emails she said it would be sent in the crate (YOU KNOW WHAT I GOT IN CRATE: NOTHING), when I emailed her about that too, she said she would get to it when she had the time, which is not what she had promised in the first place. Everything was a lie, scam, a way to mislead and avoid the truth, until of course she got her money!!!!!! That's all that mattered, unfortunately in the end that's all that matters to these BREEDERS, MONEY!!!!!!!!! The last weeks she refused to send me pictures and said if I didn't give her the rest of the money I would lose the deposit and give the puppy to someone else, when I told her she too had to keep her end of the bargain. I do have the emails, tons and tons of them, I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING TO YOU. THEY CAN BELIEVE ME OR NOT, DON'T CARE, I ALREADY HALF MY MONEY, and unfortuantely did not get what I was promised!!!!! If your dog is great and you had a good experience with her, THEN AWESOME FOR YOU, what are you complaining about???? Why are you even bothering??? There seems to be more there then you are leading on. Why would you spend the time to go back and forth with the breeder if you already purchased your dog a year ago and were totally satisfied? YOU MUST HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO DO, or are somehow related to her!!!!!! No one else would really go through such transit of emails when you're totally satisfied and WHY IN THIS WORLD WOULD I GIVE MY EMAIL? I'm not the one selling the dogs? I'm just here to give my side of the story, I'm not selling them, that's up to the Buyers!!!! Just making them aware of what happened to me.


Ivin

Miami,
Florida,
U.S.A.

BRIAN- YOU ARE EITHER DENSE OR WORK FOR HER

#22Author of original report

Mon, February 23, 2009

Where is your email address for everyone to respond? I a not the Seller but the Buyer. I just wrote this for whomever would buy not to think that they're really getting a small, micro, tiny, toy, (whatever they call it chihuahua). For your information since you seem to avoid the obvious- I had been emailing her since last April and decided to finally purchase the puppy in September which got delivered to me in October 21. So yes, I've been speaking to her via email for quite a while, way before buying the puppy, but her prices were $4,000.00 to $5,000.00 which I could not afford. When she emailed me that she had this one available she said it was going for $3,800.00 but as already discussed previously she would sell it to me for $2,000.00 based on the above mentioned, and repeatedly stated that she only bred small "micro" as in emails and it would be a small chihuahua, and yes she also said as I showed her pictures of my other 5lb chi that would definately be a lot smaller. She could have taken the puppy back as soon as she shipped it, I offerred that or to exchange for what she had promised. SHE DECIDED TO DO NEITHER. I gave her all the options before finally resorting to get the other half of my money. I was not going to pay $2K for a 6.0lbs chi which was what I thought at that time and I was right, it is now 6.0lbs and not even a year yet till September which is the puppy's date of birth. As to the registration, which I didn't even mention, in her emails she said it would be sent in the crate (YOU KNOW WHAT I GOT IN CRATE: NOTHING), when I emailed her about that too, she said she would get to it when she had the time, which is not what she had promised in the first place. Everything was a lie, scam, a way to mislead and avoid the truth, until of course she got her money!!!!!! That's all that mattered, unfortunately in the end that's all that matters to these BREEDERS, MONEY!!!!!!!!! The last weeks she refused to send me pictures and said if I didn't give her the rest of the money I would lose the deposit and give the puppy to someone else, when I told her she too had to keep her end of the bargain. I do have the emails, tons and tons of them, I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING TO YOU. THEY CAN BELIEVE ME OR NOT, DON'T CARE, I ALREADY HALF MY MONEY, and unfortuantely did not get what I was promised!!!!! If your dog is great and you had a good experience with her, THEN AWESOME FOR YOU, what are you complaining about???? Why are you even bothering??? There seems to be more there then you are leading on. Why would you spend the time to go back and forth with the breeder if you already purchased your dog a year ago and were totally satisfied? YOU MUST HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO DO, or are somehow related to her!!!!!! No one else would really go through such transit of emails when you're totally satisfied and WHY IN THIS WORLD WOULD I GIVE MY EMAIL? I'm not the one selling the dogs? I'm just here to give my side of the story, I'm not selling them, that's up to the Buyers!!!! Just making them aware of what happened to me.


Ivin

Miami,
Florida,
U.S.A.

BRIAN- YOU ARE EITHER DENSE OR WORK FOR HER

#22Author of original report

Mon, February 23, 2009

Where is your email address for everyone to respond? I a not the Seller but the Buyer. I just wrote this for whomever would buy not to think that they're really getting a small, micro, tiny, toy, (whatever they call it chihuahua). For your information since you seem to avoid the obvious- I had been emailing her since last April and decided to finally purchase the puppy in September which got delivered to me in October 21. So yes, I've been speaking to her via email for quite a while, way before buying the puppy, but her prices were $4,000.00 to $5,000.00 which I could not afford. When she emailed me that she had this one available she said it was going for $3,800.00 but as already discussed previously she would sell it to me for $2,000.00 based on the above mentioned, and repeatedly stated that she only bred small "micro" as in emails and it would be a small chihuahua, and yes she also said as I showed her pictures of my other 5lb chi that would definately be a lot smaller. She could have taken the puppy back as soon as she shipped it, I offerred that or to exchange for what she had promised. SHE DECIDED TO DO NEITHER. I gave her all the options before finally resorting to get the other half of my money. I was not going to pay $2K for a 6.0lbs chi which was what I thought at that time and I was right, it is now 6.0lbs and not even a year yet till September which is the puppy's date of birth. As to the registration, which I didn't even mention, in her emails she said it would be sent in the crate (YOU KNOW WHAT I GOT IN CRATE: NOTHING), when I emailed her about that too, she said she would get to it when she had the time, which is not what she had promised in the first place. Everything was a lie, scam, a way to mislead and avoid the truth, until of course she got her money!!!!!! That's all that mattered, unfortunately in the end that's all that matters to these BREEDERS, MONEY!!!!!!!!! The last weeks she refused to send me pictures and said if I didn't give her the rest of the money I would lose the deposit and give the puppy to someone else, when I told her she too had to keep her end of the bargain. I do have the emails, tons and tons of them, I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING TO YOU. THEY CAN BELIEVE ME OR NOT, DON'T CARE, I ALREADY HALF MY MONEY, and unfortuantely did not get what I was promised!!!!! If your dog is great and you had a good experience with her, THEN AWESOME FOR YOU, what are you complaining about???? Why are you even bothering??? There seems to be more there then you are leading on. Why would you spend the time to go back and forth with the breeder if you already purchased your dog a year ago and were totally satisfied? YOU MUST HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO DO, or are somehow related to her!!!!!! No one else would really go through such transit of emails when you're totally satisfied and WHY IN THIS WORLD WOULD I GIVE MY EMAIL? I'm not the one selling the dogs? I'm just here to give my side of the story, I'm not selling them, that's up to the Buyers!!!! Just making them aware of what happened to me.


Brian W

Ft. Lauderdale,
Florida,
U.S.A.

Purchaser has not been totally Honest

#22Consumer Comment

Sat, February 21, 2009

We purchased a Chihuahua from Ms Varner over a year ago and came across this posting. Our purchase was trouble free and we are more then pleased with our dog.
I emailed Ms Varner after viewing this posting and she forwarded some emails to me to support that this customer has not been honest in their complaint. I would suggest anyone that views this to also email the Breeder and get their side of this STORY.
The emails forwarded to me from this person (although she does not include her contact information for us to contact her) support that this person did not want to pay the price for the puppy from the inquiry then later AFTER receiving the puppy does a "charge back" to the credit card. The breeder supplied me with emails of "updates" that contained photo and weight of the puppy WEEKLY. "Puppy according to her was 11ounces 3-5 days before she shipped same." (This statement, according to emails forwarded to me, is a blatant lie). "CLARITY AND HONESTY IS THE ISSUE HERE" Yes it is, so why not post your email address so we can view the more then 80 emails you refer to having? You have 6 months of emails and your puppy is 5 month old and 6 pounds and the veterinarian has made statement that the dog is a "mixed chihuahua"? I would be VERY interested to view what documentation you have to support that.
My suggestion to the Breeder, after viewing the emails forwarded to me, was to seek the monies due through the courts. IMO the purchaser committed "Fraud" in filing the "charge back" with the credit card company.
Good Luck and I do not believe this unhappy purchaser will post her contact information for all of us to view.
We are very happy with our Chihuahua that we purchased from Donna Varner and we recommend anyone that is looking to purchase a Chihuahua to view Varner's Web Site.
Happy in Florida.
Brian
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
(Not in hiding)


Devilsadvocate4education*just My Opinions*

Las Vegas,
Nevada,
U.S.A.

Was that directed at me?

#22Consumer Comment

Sat, February 21, 2009

If so, you missed my whole first paragraph and many of my other statements. How would anyone be led to believe I am the breeder or a breeder with similar practices after reading that? I have stated all over this site that a breeder whom advertises and advocates and uses the terms like teacup, micro, pocket, etc. is probably unethical and dishonest based on that fact alone. If you buy from a breeder like that, you're asking for trouble IMO. And your research before that point should lead you to that fact. If people properly researched the terms, they would be led to the fact that they don't exist, and logic would tell them not to buy from a breeder who has dogs labled in such a manner. I have no way of knowing whether your pup is mixed or not (and most vets don't either), what is that based on? And thank you for clarifying some of the statements you did not previously. That is what I was asking and wanting to know. BTW, I did make an attempt to contact the breeder so we may hear her side of the story, and she hasn't yet responded apparently.


Ivin

Miami,
Florida,
U.S.A.

DONNA VARNER - RIP OFF REPORT REBUTTAL

#22Author of original report

Fri, February 20, 2009

I don't want a rat, how ignorant are you? I have over 80 emails in the course of 6 months with this lady stating and acknowledging that she breeds only "micro" her words not mine chi's, never more than 3.0lbs that is why they are so expensive. The puppy is now 5 months is already 6.0lbs. The vet advised me that it was a mixed chihuahua contrary to what she said. She said the puppy was $3800.00 but that if I wired $1000.00 into her personal account she would reduce it to $2000.00, so I did. Three days before shipping puppy she mysteriously disappears and s/one else writes on her behalf, puppy fine will be shipped, tomorrow, etc. Puppy according to her was 11ounces 3-5 days before she shipped same. When I picked the puppy at the airport he weighed in at 2.03lbs, so it actually grew overnight from 11 ounces to 2.03lbs. She knew she was blatantly lying, that's why I never received more updates, pictures, etc., Why would I take the time to write this non-sense if it wasn't true. My point here is that I don't want other people to pay her this exhuberant amount of money and get ripped off. I actually filed a claim for the rest of the monies with American Express, and if you've ever filed with them before, I had to send them emails, pictures, vet letters, etc., and after 30 days they obviously knew she decieved me and scammed me and American Express credited me the other $1000.00. She did keep $1,000.00 which I wired into her personal account.

So yes, I don't think people actually would like to pay $2,000.00 for a 6.0lbs mixed chihuahua when you have been told otherwise. CLARITY AND HONESTY IS THE ISSUE HERE, the puppy is another thing. I love the puppy as I have 3 dogs and love all my dogs, the problem was not the dog , IT WAS THE HUMAN PERSON that's a scammer, the puppy became second nature after the incident. You must either be her, writing with someone else's name or a breeder that is accostumed to doing this. I've heard of other people being ripped off and they are not happy either. I have nothing else to say and won't waste my time on this anymore, I've made my peace and I am an HONEST PERSON, unlike her!!! I just did it to save other people their money and their expectations, that was my only intention.


Devilsadvocate4education*just My Opinions*

Las Vegas,
Nevada,
U.S.A.

Some observations and questions

#22Consumer Comment

Sat, January 24, 2009

I went to the breeder's site (I believe) Shame on them for saying they have teacup dogs? Oh yeah, definantly. But shame on those who buy into it too. I wouldn't ever trust a breeder who uses that term and does not clarify it somewhere on their site, or in verbal conversation or in writing (which there is no proof that this one doesn't) I also wouldn't be to likely to trust a breeder who ONLY advocates the breed for everyone, and does not define the typical health issues (hypoglycemia IS on the site), and characteristics which would NOT make their breed the one for 'everyone'. We are supposed to be fanatics about our breed, but that includes looking at them with a well educated and realistic eye and making sure our new parents are as informed as they possibly can be, and yes, even before the purchase (and yes, again, no proof she doesn't). And most breeder's I know will allow the option of either some sort of refund, OR the option of another puppy if the animal passes away before going to it's new home (UNLESS it's the buyer who back out). However, it is still our choice, and it is all right there for the world to see. (And as you said, who knows WHAT was in those emails.) As is the fact that they do not guarantee size, but DO say that if the pet for some reason ends up being over 6 pounds (I think) in the first year (AKC standard) they DO "replace" it (I am pretty sure that their are qualifications in the paperwork somewhere). This is not typical of a dishonest breeder in my experience.

So, WHY did you only pay $2000 for a $4000 or $5000 puppy? Exactly what part of your agreement are you not telling us? Is it the ones she makes the educated guess will be smaller that are 4 or 5 grand, and are they a little less if she thinks the adult weight will be in the higher range of the standard? I think it says there is a price range on the site. Did you say you were supposed to get a written size guarantee? Did you intentionally lead everyone to believe the size guarantee was supposed to be for 2 and 1/2 pounds? Or did you really think that? Which would be a little hard to believe considering it is spelled out on the site. Or do your emails say otherwise? Did you take everything the way you wanted to, as opposed to the way everyone else would see it? Did you mislead YOURSELF? Is there another part of the agreement which you are supposed to uphold before recieving the papers? Or does she withhold to ensure the buyer does not end up with a REGISTERABLE puppy, and take their money back, which I believe you said you are attempting? Or did you agree to no papers for the discount? There is ALOT you are not saying, and you don't appear particularly reasonable, and you have actually made alot of us feel sorry for the puppy and the breeder. Can you clarify some of this? Why was everything supposed to be different for you? You didn't say ANYTHING about the puppy being unhealthy (and it would not be particularly believable now, and it should be your first concern, not it's SIZE, which the adult size is still undetermined), I believe a health certificate would classify as some sort of paperwork, and all your claims are in almost direct opposition to the site. And let's not forget, your puppy is only two pounds, and may not actually grow too much, and is still a puppy, NOT full grown. I am really interested in hearing the other side here. *just my opinions*


Barbara

Waverly,
Tennessee,
U.S.A.

Happy Chihuahua Owner purchased from Donna Varner

#22Consumer Comment

Fri, January 23, 2009

I purchased my little Chihuahua from Donna Varner and it was a very good experience. I received the registration papers, family tree, veterinarian paper of health and a warranty about a week after I received my puppy. I couldn't be any happier. I emailed Ms. Varner after viewing this person's claims and found out that this lady stopped payment through her credit card and hasn't paid for her puppy which may be why she did not get her papers????? I wonder too about IF she paid $2000 for a "$4000 to $5000 puppy" then why so much of a discount????? I wanted a HEALTHY dog that I would have for years, my dog is healthy and I wouldn't give her up for the world!
"I was already ripped off by another breeder, etc., " and "the dog is huge at 8 weeks already weighs 2.03lbs." What is the problem????? Is this lady only concerned with size?? 2.03lbs is HUGE!!!!!! (This just makes me feel so bad for this puppy! This lady wants a "rat" not a Chihuahua) Doesn't the health mean anything??? I wonder what her complaint is concerning the other breeder that she was ripped off by?????? I don't know where I can buy a puppy that is registered, warrantied and has a good family tree for $350 but maybe this lady can. My emails to Ms. Varner shed a different light on the complaint. There is always two sides to every story. I am happy with my puppy, she's over a year old now and I purchased her from Donna Varner and she arrived at the airport a happy healthy puppy.


Ivin

Miami,
Florida,
U.S.A.

RESPONSE TO COMMENTS

#22Author of original report

Wed, November 19, 2008

First shame on the breeders for saying they breed "teacup"/"micro" and charge people $4,000.00/$5,000.00. I am not upset because the puppy is larger then promised, I am upset because she overcharged me knowing that I could get a standard size chihuahua for $350.00/$500.00, not the $2050.00 that I paid. You too would have gotten upset if you got ripped off over TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS for promising something else then what was delivered. AKC PAPERS were to be included in the crate, NO PAPERS, NO HEALTH GUARANTEE, NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!


Kelly

Sturgis,
Michigan,
U.S.A.

Poor Puppy

#22Consumer Comment

Wed, November 05, 2008

Honestly from the tone of your complaint you don't sound any nicer than Ms. Varner.That poor puppy you want to put through the terrible stress of being shipped again is a living breathing thing that deserves better than the treatment you and others are putting the poor dog through.I hope he finds a good home because you sure don't sound like you have any sympathy whatsoever for it.


Helene

Elgin,
Illinois,
U.S.A.

I used to breed Chihuahuas and I have a few remarks...FOR SHAME!

#22Consumer Comment

Wed, November 05, 2008

Why in the world would you want a Micro Teacup!
When these little dogs are so small that they sometimes have to have certain sacrifices when they are THAT SMALL --like they might only have ONE body organ when there should be two or heart problems...

These are LIVING BEINGS WITH SOULS AND HEARTS AND FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS and I have been trying to END this breeding practice of fragile,unhealthy little dogs for years!

If you want something THAT small, you should get a rat or a mouse.

A toy Chihuahua is a nice little dog for a pet and you don't have to worry about it being stepped on,sat on, jumping or falling down and breaking bones * which are usually fatal to these little guys).

I hope that you gave the little dog you were sent a good home if you didn't want it.


Helene

Elgin,
Illinois,
U.S.A.

I used to breed Chihuahuas and I have a few remarks...FOR SHAME!

#22Consumer Comment

Wed, November 05, 2008

Why in the world would you want a Micro Teacup!
When these little dogs are so small that they sometimes have to have certain sacrifices when they are THAT SMALL --like they might only have ONE body organ when there should be two or heart problems...

These are LIVING BEINGS WITH SOULS AND HEARTS AND FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS and I have been trying to END this breeding practice of fragile,unhealthy little dogs for years!

If you want something THAT small, you should get a rat or a mouse.

A toy Chihuahua is a nice little dog for a pet and you don't have to worry about it being stepped on,sat on, jumping or falling down and breaking bones * which are usually fatal to these little guys).

I hope that you gave the little dog you were sent a good home if you didn't want it.

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