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Complaint Review: Erie Construction Mid-west

Erie Construction Mid-west, Inc. rip-off! Deceptive sales demonstration. We got suckered by sales pitch. Fort Wayne Indiana

  • Reported By:
    Rochester Indiana
  • Submitted:
    Fri, November 19, 2004
  • Updated:
    Thu, February 03, 2005
  • Erie Construction Mid-west
    4271 Monroe Street
    Fort Wayne, Indiana
    U.S.A.
  • Phone:
    260-482-2818
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Erie Construction came to our home, door-to-door sales, I know now, big mistake! with a flyer for windows claiming sizzlin' savings. Says his company has been in business for 47 years, claiming professionalism of his company.


FOUR THOUSAND DOLLAR WINDOW!

The salesman gives his demonstration with a sample model window. Tells us that this window is only manufactured by them and cannot be reproduced by any other window manufacturer, that they cool their glass on a bed mercury, which is why it is so durable, scratch resistant, energy efficient, etc. Uses a simulated sun lamp to prove that no heat will go in or out of his window. Uses the sun lamp on our picture window, and proves to us that heat escapes from our window. My husband asked him if it was like Low-e coatings, and he said "No" it was nothing like Low-e, it was better.

The sales demonstration also stressed on the tech welded frame of the window, that it was the best on the market, and the weather stripping around it, claiming it to be the best for wear and tear, won't peel off, etc.

The salesman called this window R10TK glass. The Cost: $4,413.00 for 2 double hung windows(27 x 54) and 1 picture window(42 x 54) for our front room. He said, we are getting what we are paying for because of how the glass is made. This is like one big window, connected with mullions, picture window in the middle, doulbe hung on each side. We paid $700.00 down payment, at signing of contract, July 15, 2004. Salesman said we should be getting the window 1st or 2cnd week of August.

The salesman says a crew of 3-4 men of their personal installers would show up and install the windows in a maximum of 4 hours, Erie Construction would supply everything needed to do this job: building permit, tarps for mess, all supplies, etc. all we had to do is sit and watch this great window being installed.

After numerous phone calls to the company, them promising someone would call every time and nobody would call, after threatening this company that we would be over to Fort Wayne to get our money back if someone didn't call us to get this window installed, after having an installation date set, then canceled by them, they finally showed up with the windows September 28, 2004!

(1) One man shows up to do this job at 8:a.m., begins his work by asking if we had a tarp to put down in our front room to catch the mess, also ask for an old sheet to hang up over a doorway to help catch dust, because he was cutting the opening in the wall bigger.

He unloads his truck of his tools, etc. works a while, claims he has to load everything back up because he needed to go get nails, he ran out. My husband took him to the local hardware store, just to save on some time. While he is working, he proceeds to tell us that he is only making $165.00 for installing this window, he says it is bull@###! He said he was going to his the company up for more money.

At 4:30 p.m. he wraps up to leave, the window is in, he removed all stickers from the window before installing them. he has to come back the next day to finish the trim on the outside of the house. He left the wood trim for the inside for me to stain.

He came back September 28, 2004, to finish outside of the house, I told him I thought something was wrong, I felt heat coming through the window when I checked it that morning. He instantly got on his cell phone, called the company, talked maybe 5 minutes, and tells me new glass is being ordered as we speak, that the new window would be here in 2 weeks. He says that the big picture window should have been triple paned, that it wasn't, it was only double paned.

The installer said he would be back in 2 week to install new glass, and hang the inside trim for me. It took 3 weeks for him to call me. In these 3 weeks I learned alot. What we got installed in our home was basic glass, with Low-e coatings and Krypton gas filled dead air space, that you can buy from almost any window manufacturer for half the price.

When we discovered this, we told them that we were paying that much for the product. They offered us $486.00 off the price, which still left us paying $3,927.00. We said no way, take the whole thing back, we don't want any of it. They told us that wasn't an option, we ordered it. We said we didn't order low_e coatings and gas fill. We ordered special glass cooled on mercury. They said it was. We explained the sales demonstration, and they reminded me that my contract states that no verbal promises would be enforced so to speak!

Today is November 19, 2004, they called yesterday, the 18th, with a threat to put a lien on our home. I have contact a lawyer, the Federal Trade Commission, Indiana Attorney General Steve Carter, the Head Company, Erie Construction located in Toledo, Ohio. I will not let this company get away with deceptive consumer sales, fraud, and unconscionable contracts!!

To anybody out there buying windows, Get whatever they say in writing, signed and dated!!! I will keep you posted if any new information comes up. If anybody can offer any information to help me, I would very much appreciate it!!

Virginia
Rochester, Indiana
U.S.A.

4 Updates & Rebuttals


Virginia

Rochester,
Indiana,
U.S.A.

AGREEMENT REACHED!! thank you BadBusinessBureau.com

#5Author of original report

Thu, February 03, 2005

This will be my final response to this story. An agreement between us has been reached.

It is understood and agreed by both parties that the settlement is the compromise of disputed claims and that consideration performed is not construed as an admission of liability on the part of either party. We acknowledge complete satisfaction to all contract matters.

I want to thank Bad Business Bureau.com for letting me post my story on their website. I want to thank the Attorney General's Office out of Indianapolis and my personal attorney here in town, for their help and advice in this matter.


Mark

Toledo,
Ohio,
U.S.A.

Not so fast...

#5UPDATE Employee

Fri, December 10, 2004

I recently came across this complaint on the web, and as an Erie sales rep, I can offer you the following info.

For one, you DID order, "low_e coatings and gas fill". That's what the R10TK is. Now, was the rep you dealt with dishonest in telling you that the R10TK is "better" than "low_e coatings"? The R10TK is FAR better than your standard "low_e" window, and here's why.

Normally, a "low_e" window comes with glass coatings and argon glass between the panes. The gas is more dense than normal air, thus providing added insulation. However, the gas most companies use is actually about 10% argon.

What's different about the RTK10? As the rep probably told you (if he didn't, he sure was instructed to), the R10TK has 3 panes containing a MUCH more effective insulating gas, which does include Krypton. Erie DOES have a patent on the gas, and no other company offers it. Yes, other companies offer krypton or argon, but as I said, their mixture is only about 10%. Sure, they'll tell you they can give you the same window for less, but ask them if they GARAUNTEE in writing that a house fully-equipped with their windows will reduce your heating/cooling costs by at least 35%. Trust me, they'll say no. And why? Because their diluted gas mixture isn't as effective. They think they can tell you, "Our window has argon/krypton too!" and you'll assume it's the same window, which you obviously fell for. Erie DOES offer that guarantee though you must replace all your windows with R10TK for the obvious reason that heat can always find an older window in your home to escape unless they're all replaced.

To give you an idea, a can of R10TK gas costs about $7,000 and fills about 30 windows. Sure, they could dilute the gas 90% like everyone else and still tell you it's in there, but, obviously, you'll be able to tell the difference. Why do you think you didn't feel any of the lamp's heat through the R10TK? Because it's such a good insulator, obviously.

As for the mercury cooling, yes, the R10TK is coolen on a bed of mercury. That has nothing to do with insulation, however. Glass is normally cooled on sand, which leaves invisible pits in the glass. That's why Windex is so popular; it gets into those pits. Cooling on mercury gives you a much smoother surface, making the glass much easier to clean.

So, no, you can't get the R10TK anywhere else. Sure, other companies will tell you their glass has gas too, but it's probably argon, which is far less effective, and it's probably only 10% argon on top of that. Sure, others have krypton too, but R10TK is not just krypton, certainly not just the 10% kypton the other company was probably offering. Erie can offer a 35% reduction in heating and cooling costs for a reason; because the R10TK REALLY IS that good. I can understand that you feel suckered, but it sounds to me like the suckering was done by the company that said they could offer you the same window for less. You heard, "Yeah, we've got a triple-paned window with argon/krypton for X dollars less," and thought you got ripped off. Well, the R10TK is NOT just krypton, let alone 10% krypton. That is why Erie gives a GUARANTEE on high energy savings in a home equipped with their windows while others just promise it.

That said, I am not authorized to speak for Erie Constuction itself, I'm just telling you what I know.


Virginia

Rochester,
Indiana,
U.S.A.

Erie Construction Mid-west, Inc. has many office locations!!

#5Author of original report

Sat, November 20, 2004

The address at the start of my story is wrong, I dealt with Erie Construction out of Fort Wayne, IN the address is 154 East Collins Road. 4271 Monroe Street is the head corporate office located in Toledo, OH This company has many different office locations. Sorry about the error.


Virginia

Rochester,
Indiana,
U.S.A.

Picture of FOUR THOUSAND DOLLAR WINDOW!!

#5Author of original report

Sat, November 20, 2004

This is the window that was installed.

If anybody else out there has bought windows from Erie Construction Mid-west, Inc. and has wittnessed this sales deomonstration, I sure would like to hear from you! Also, if you did order windows from this company, with this special glass cooled on mercury; you got the same thing I did, regular window glass, coated with Low-e and gas filled spaces, for the outrageous price!!

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