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Complaint Review: First Option Lending-Scottsdale AZ

First Option Lending-Scottsdale, AZ Approved a conventional loan of $417,000 both verbal, email, pre-approval form and letter over a 5 month period and pulled the approval 2 days prior to the inspection. Scottsdale, Arizona

  • Reported By:
    John — Gilbert Arizona United States of America
  • Submitted:
    Wed, March 07, 2012
  • Updated:
    Sat, March 10, 2012
  • First Option Lending-Scottsdale, AZ
    8377 East Hartford Drive, Ste 105
    Scottsdale, Arizona
    United States of America
  • Phone:
    480 751-3400
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Owned a company that in 2007where by the bank called the company loan forcing the company to liquidate all the assets to satisfy the loan. further, our personal residence also secured the loan and the bank took that as well. As a result, we were forced into forclosure and had to file BK. Since that time period we have been renting a home and building back our credit which is now back in the lower 700's. We began to explore loan opportunities for a conventional loan with a maximum amount of $417,000. We spoke with several companies and ended up selecting First Option Lending located in Scottsdale. We spoke with the loan originator, a Nathan Brack and told him exactly what is listed above and stressed the forclosure and BK as what good would it do us not to provide the exact details to that he would find on our credit report and to further insure he knew everything so we would have no issues down the line. We completed all their forms for information as well as submitted all the documentation they requested. On or about October 14, 2011 we were notified that "Congratulations, We were approved for the $417,000 conventional loan". I immediately call Nathan and requested a pre-approval letter. I was emailed a pre-qualified form letter. I called back and said I want a pre-approval letter and ended up getting a personal letter from Mr. George Wegmann, the branch manager that confirmed our loan was "Approved". with this document, I was now confident to aggressively look for a home. My wife and I spent hundreds of hours looking at homes online and with our realtor. It took us about 4 months to find the one we wanted at the price we wanted. We provided all the info on the home to First Options  and they even lowered our 30 year loan rate to .3875%. We were very excited and put a deposit down on the home and set the closing date for April 3rd. We then set the  home inspection date for March 8th. We converted some assets to cash for a 10% down on the home and started planning our move. Two days prior to the home inspection I get a voice mail from Nathan that states "Bad news- The forclosure was hiding under the BK". "We are denying your loan." I returned the call and got a bunch of excuses as to the error made. I said that was their problem and they need to honor their commitment and not make their customer pay for their negligence. I was given the run around with the end result of Nathan Brack stating the best he could do is give me the name of their branch manager to call. I would of thought he would of been on the phone with me first thing. i intend to pursue and and all legal remedies as well as file complaints with several agencies. I want to make sure this never happens again to anyone else. You make a loan commitment , you honor that loan commitment with the understanding that your credit doesn't change prior to what is was approved at. Any suggestions or input would be greatly appreciated.

3 Updates & Rebuttals


Anthony

yonkers,
New York,
United States of America

Unreal Part 2

#4REBUTTAL Owner of company

Sat, March 10, 2012

My intent of the rebuttal was to really understand why someone would post that particular situation on the Ripoff Report.  I can't really see how anyone could honestly believe that the post would "help get useful advice on how to proceed or to make sure that it doesn't happen to anyone else".  I think the fact that I am the only person so far that has even made a comment about this post is evidence of how that post was intended to maybe cause problems for a person or company, as opposed to a constructive, intelligent way to obtain advice or give caution to others.







In response to your notion that I may be a loan officer, well, you could not be further from the truth.  I am an educated professional that is not in that field, but I am experienced in real estate investments and I actually have bought a few homes in AZ in the last several years.  As a matter of fact, I do understand the real estate market in AZ very well, and your numbers are severely skewed.....average home values are down 39% (not 50%), and that is since the end of 2007 and not 2006.  As far as me "obviously not understanding the responsibilites of starting and owning a company", well my friend, I have started and owned over 15 companies and I have never had one go out of business, I have sold 13 of those companies to much larger corporations that obviously saw the value in the acquisition of them.







You say that the mortgage company in question should absorb some sort of cost for you, my question would be what cost is that exactly?  Should they give you a loan for nearly a half million dollars even though you are not credit worthy?  I am sure with the denial that you are entitled to a deposit refund.







You claim that if it were your company that you would "take care of the mistake".  So here is the big question......since your company went out of business and you were the owner of that company, and as owner you were responsible for making decisions daily that ultimately led to your company going under and you also made decisions that caused you to file a personal bankruptcy, I will assume that those poor decisions were not intentional (probably were mistakes in judgement, foresight, etc.), then what are you doing for all those families that lost their employment because of your mistakes?  Have you taken care of every single one of them and their families?







Someone made an honest mistake and you were upset......I get that, but to post it in a public forum when it may cause more problems for other people when you know as well as I do that the original post will not get you financed and will not get you money..........that I don't get.







If you were truly looking for advice, than post without mentioning the company or person(s) involved, or call a real estate attorney (like I have many times), but don't let your sour grapes and emotion make you one of those people that justs wants to cause problems because they were the victim of a mistake.







Oh, and by the way, you inspired me to do a little investigating into First Option and it turns out that this company is very highly rated in several states and has one of the highest client satisfaction levels in their industry.  So I am going to have one of my investment people find out if I can somehow invest.  Turns out that their core upper management came together from other successful ventures and joined forces to create this one. Worst case, I will definitely give them a call the next time I buy a property in a state that they are licensed in and give them the opportunity to earn my business.







Thanks for the referral!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




John

Gilbert,
Arizona,
United States of America

Rebuttal to a Rebuttal-First Option Lending

#4Author of original report

Sat, March 10, 2012

The intent of my posting of the First Option Lending article was two fold. First to seek advice and direction from anyone who has had this happen to them and secondly to inform others about my situation so that they may better protect themselves when going through the same process. Here's what I got from the first person who posted a rebuttal , who by the way sounds like a loan officer themselves, did nothing to address the issue but instead made several assumptions that allowed them to come to the conclusion they came to. To these erroneous assumptions I must respond.

The report filed was certainly written with a great deal of emotion as I was very upset, but there were nothing but facts presented.

The loan originator DID MAKE A MISTAKE and said so. I have no problem that he made a mistake, we all make mistakes but it is how he dealt with the mistake that I had an issue with. IF I make a mistake on behalf of my company, my company stands behind me to allow me to take care of that mistake. I would not expect my customer to pay for my mistake. First Option did expect me to pay for their mistake.

It is obvious the reader does not understand the housing market currently in Arizona where resales are running almost 50% by foreclosed properties. Additionally, homes have lost more than 50% of their value since 2006. The home right next to us sold in 2006 for $630,000 and was short sold this past fall for $287,000. So now not only do we need to look for the right home at the right price, you also have to research the entire block you are considering to find out when each of the properties were  sold and what they own them for so that you know the neighborhood you move to
is stable and that the purchase you are about to make is a good investment.

It is also obvious the reader doesn't understand the responsibilities of starting and owning a company. Yes, the last thing you want to do is pledge your home as an asset to secure a loan for your company. I did not do this without extreme pressure from the bank. They came in one day and said unless you sign this we are going to call your loan. I was responsible for 10 families getting a paycheck so I signed the agreement.

So from reading my artice you came to the conclusion "I was accustomed to entitlements"? WOW ! Well, everything I have received in my life I have worked very hard for.  I borrowed money and worked every job I could To make me the first person in my family to secure a college education and borrowed even more money to get an MBA from one of the top schools in the country.  It took me 10 years, but I paid every dime back to insure others would get the same opportunity I did keep a company going for 17 years and provided jobs and incomes for dozens of families.

Lastly, I have to address your comments about how I would expect you to think that while paying rent, that my wife and I could save the funds to buy the house noted in the article. You really think saving that money isn't possible and that is why you further condem the article? Well, as mentioned above I have a very strong educational background and was very successful in the corporate world before I started my company. Well , I simply went back to that world. In addition to the savings we accumulated, I also drew funds from the cash value from my life insurance as well as borrowed funds from my 401K.

You state "You were born at night, but it wasn't last night" Are you sure???


Anthony

yonkers,
New York,
United States of America

Unreal

#4Consumer Comment

Sat, March 10, 2012

When I first starting reading this complaint, I thought "man I would've been angry too if that was me", but then I starting thinking about all of the facts that were presented by the complaining party (I am sure that that they were all stated with a good amount of bias). 

First off, I am sure that this loan originator never intended to mislead the homebuyer, and I am also sure that if this loan doesn't close that he (Nathan Brack) will not be compensated.....so isn't it possible and more than likely, surely just an honest mistake that someone made?

Secondly, other than spending "hundreds of hours looking for a home" (are we all that naive to believe that anyone would spend hundreds of hours looking for a home.......you would have to look for homes for 2 hours per day, 7 dys a week for a month straight just to get up to 60 hours), what "real loss" was actually suffered by the homebuyer because of this mistake?  I know from experience that if a loan is denied that my deposit would be returned to me.

Lastly, I thought pretty hard about the person making the complaint and realized that this is someone who ran his/her company out of business, was foolish enough to put up their residence as collateral for that business, and ultimately used bankruptcy protection to avoid paying debts that he/she originally agreed to pay!!!!  I am not an expert in psychology, but that sounds like the kind of person that is accustomed to entitlements.  And are we really to believe that after the company was out of business and the bankruptcy was filed, that he/she miraculously starting earning enough money that in 3 or so years they were able to pay the rent and all other typical expenses and still save $80 - $120k for a down payment?  I'll tell you this.....I might have been born at night but it definitely wasn't last night!!

I'm a little surprised at Ripoff Report for not taking a closer at this before allowing the post, as I am sure that there could be serious consequences.  I know I would hate to have a complaint publicized about me when it may be totally unfounded or even something as simple as an honest mistake.

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