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  • Report:  #157327

Complaint Review: Franchise Opportunities

Franchise Opportunities, Did not honor prepaid advertising contract for $4,500 Ripoff Alpharetta Georgia

  • Reported By:
    San Diego California
  • Submitted:
    Fri, September 16, 2005
  • Updated:
    Tue, September 20, 2005
  • Franchise Opportunities
    1085 Powers Place
    Alpharetta, Georgia
    U.S.A.
  • Phone:
    888-363-3390
  • Category:
*Consumer Suggestion: Hell, they may not give you a reason, but I can tell you exactly why they want nothing to do with big hitters. You're running a scam, that's why! *Author of original report: Response to Paul *Consumer Suggestion: Not a competitor of Saturn Communications or Big Hitters. And, since I didn't buy your phony 900 line, I'd say that makes me pretty smart. *REBUTTAL Owner of company: Response to Paul *Consumer Suggestion: If you could actually make these great, profitable sites like you claim, why in the hell would you sell them for a lousy $500? Are you santa claus? *Consumer Suggestion: If you could actually make these great, profitable sites like you claim, why in the hell would you sell them for a lousy $500? Are you santa claus? *Consumer Suggestion: If you could actually make these great, profitable sites like you claim, why in the hell would you sell them for a lousy $500? Are you santa claus? *Consumer Suggestion: If you could actually make these great, profitable sites like you claim, why in the hell would you sell them for a lousy $500? Are you santa claus? *Consumer Comment: What's going on here? *Consumer Comment: What's going on here? *Consumer Comment: What's going on here? *Consumer Comment: What's going on here? *Consumer Suggestion: Big promises and crazy dreams that never come true. That's what you can expect from these turn-key e-commerce sites. *Consumer Suggestion: I Want My Free Website *Consumer Comment: Con man got conned? JAY ANDRASSY IS A FRAUD! Apeweb, Primeweb, citiesonline1, e-mail-marketing-online, fastleadsonline1, homebasedbusinessleads, real-testosterone

In August of 2005, my company Big Hitters, Inc. contracted in writing for 3-months of Internet advertising with Franchise Opportunities, and prepaid the company approx. $4,500.00 via company debit card.

After 3 weeks of advertising, the company decided they no longer wanted to provide advertising to my company, and removed my advertising from their web site without providing my company prior notice or any reasonable explanation. I received an email one-time from Janice Hall, Vice President of Franchise Opportunities, stating that she would refund $4,000.00 of my company's money, and then later spoke to her via telephone, where she agreed to refund the entire amount paid, but refused to give any reason or explanation as to why they would not fulfill the signed advertising agreement.

I did receive a refund of the monies paid to them on September 16, 2005, but still have not received an email, phone call, or fax stating any reason for them not fulfilling their duties.

Money being refunded is a good thing, but it does not mean that the company did the right thing, or that they acted within any legal rights.

When a person or company writes a contract, the parties need to stick to it.

I would discourage any person or company from doing busines with this organization for any reason.

Leon
San Diego, California
U.S.A.

15 Updates & Rebuttals


Dean

Nicholasville,
Kentucky,
U.S.A.

Con man got conned? JAY ANDRASSY IS A FRAUD! Apeweb, Primeweb, citiesonline1, e-mail-marketing-online, fastleadsonline1, homebasedbusinessleads, real-testosterone

#16Consumer Comment

Tue, September 20, 2005

This has been a great thread exposing this con-artist. I did a search and found this, thought it was great and wanted to share,

JAY ANDRASSY IS A FRAUD!
Doing business as...
Apeweb, LLC.
Primeweb, LLC.
citiesonline1.com
e-mail-marketing-online.com
fastleadsonline1.com
homebasedbusinessleads.net
real-testosterone.net
2790 North Military Trail
West Palm Beach , Florida 33409
Palm Beach, Florida

Mr. Jay Andrassy, who proclaims to be an author, and owner of several Internet web sites offering marketing services, is a 100% fraud.
This man stole $1400.00 from my company Big Hitters, Inc. and has done the same to several other individuals and companies worldwide. DO NOT SEND HIM ANY MONEY, unless you want to give your money away.

If you have been scammed by Jay Andrassy and would like to have your situation added to this web site, contact the office of Big Hitters at 888.626.3888 or by email.

The Big Hitter himself will personally pay $250.00 to any person that can provide information to the current whereabouts and physical location of Mr. Andrassy.

The Big Hitter always gets his man, and I am currently on the hunt for a big rotten ape.


Reid

Aiea,
Hawaii,
U.S.A.

I Want My Free Website

#16Consumer Suggestion

Tue, September 20, 2005

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

LEON: You are either a nasty competitor trying to discredit my company or you are just an idiot.

REID: From the sound of it, no one needs to "discredit" your company. The reputation of your company seems to speak for itself.

LEON: I find it interesting that you go out of your way to mention both company's I own, yet only Big Hitters was mentioned in the posting. You are not a happy man.

REID: To be honest, I am not too happy myself, knowing there are so many scams out there. What does someones feelings have to do with your scams?

LEON: You think we are a scam, yet we have been in business for over 12 years, hummm....we must be doing something right.

REID: I said it before and I'll say it again. The length in which a company has been in business says, means or proves nothing about it's legitimacy. Does the Nigerian scam ring a bell? How's about envelope stuffing?

LEON: You mention a $99 fortune...please, read our web site and brochures, and you would find that we are the only business opportunity that informs people that we do not offer any get rich quick programs, and that it will take both time and money in advertising to make a business successful.

REID: Everyone may rest assured, that when a company states they're not a "get rich quick" program, they're nothing but. "We're not a scam" sounds better. LOL!

LEON: Try spending some real money or investing real money and then complain to somebody, in the meantime, those individuals that want to enter into an adult business opportunity have a realiable company to trust and depend on.

REID: I have invested real money into one of those fraudulent Infomercial "wealth building" programs. Total sham and NOT just a matter of opinion.

LEON: I will loan you $99 for a bus fair to Alaska, moron!

PAUL: Not a competitor of Saturn Communications or Big Hitters. And, since I didn't buy your phony 900 line, I'd say that makes me pretty smart.

REID: Absolutely right Paul! You are one of Big Hitters "success stories" for not falling for their crap in the first place.

PAUL: I remember this con very well. I probably called 10 years ago. It was a long time.

REID: According to Leon, the number of years a company has been in business proves that the opportunity is genuine.

PAUL: But, I remember the phone conversation very well. I'm familiar with how these cons work. When I was a kid, I had a guy try to sell me oil well leases. That was the con of the day back then.

REID: I remember seeing such a scam in a "Biz Op" magazine.

PAUL: Since then, I've seen and heard of just about everything. I'm one of these people who is always watching for new business opportunities. So naturally, I learned early on how to separate the scams from the real deals.

REID: I've learned to do the same. "If something sounds too good to be true, IT IS." Remembering this saying could possibly save you from losing thousands to fraudulent businesses.

PAUL: I remember talking to your salesman. He ran this story about how he could set me up with a 900 line and I'd be making a ton of money off it.

REID: Total bull$h!t! Donkey Lapre ran a similar scam in the early 90's.

PAUL: I knew in the first 15 seconds it was a fraud, but I listened to see how effective the scam was. Back then, not very. They wanted a lot of money and made crazy promises that were out of this world.

REID: "OUT OF MY ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT!" Remember this saying?

PAUL: You'd have to have been pretty dumb to have got involved in the nonsense they were running back then.

REID: Hey hey hey, naive is a better word. LOL. I fell for envelope stuffing, merchant account rep, medical billing, almost every MLM and John Beck's fraudulent Amazing Profits.

I am gullible, what can I say? No one wants to believe that there is literally no such thing as businesses sharing their "secrets" to total strangers, for less than the cost of the garbage they're peddling.

PAUL: All you have to do is google big hitters and you can easily find the web site. It says Saturn Communications right on it. Plus, I've seen the ads in like a million different magazines.

REID: BOGUS!

PAUL: Readers, go to this guy's web site. Big hitters. There's a picture of a girl sitting on ten foot stacks of money. And, this fool comes here and says he's not running a scam? Who's he kidding? Ten foot stacks of money? Yeah, that has to be a real opportunity, huh?

REID: SCAM! Any and all businesses that attempt to entice people to join their programs with photos of money are scams. Not just an opinion.

PAUL: Honestly, I don't know how in the hell you managed to stay around this long. Your cons are not that good. You can't be making a ton of money with them. I guess you're just a bit player working out of a back office behind a strip mall down there in San Diego. Twelve years running this same old con, and still you haven't made anything worthwhile with it? That's just weak. Maybe fraud is just not something you were cut out for, sport. Did that ever dawn on you? Have you thought about something else? Furniture sales or maybe house painting?

REID: I hope that Leon is putting some of his scam money away for his retirement.

PAUL: Well, you keep on doing what you're doing. And, keep those fingers all crossed. Maybe one day, you'll get a sucker from La Jolla to drop by with a big bankroll and you'll finally be able to afford that new Accord you always dreamed of.

REID: Ford Escort even.

PAUL: Until then, keep on running that same old thing. Hell, it hasn't worked so far, but you're far too old to change courses now.

REID: Can't teach an old & stupid dog new tricks.

PAUL: Oh, I'll take that loan you mentioned. Do you have the money now, or do I need to wait until next month, when you sell another one of your phony adult web sites?

REID: I need a loan Leon! Could you send it cash? Send me $50,000.00 and maybe I'll consider believing you're not a con artist.

PAUL: Oh, by the way, leon, thanks for coming here. You see, when you got all pissed off because an advertiser didn't want to help you run your scam, you inadvertently put you own name right here where everyone in the whole wide world will see it now.

REID: What's your last name Leon? I am interested in doing a Google search on you. Any legit business man would have absolutely no problem providing this information.

PAUL: Thanks to you, boy, the whole world will find out that Saturn Communications and big hitters are both scams they need to avoid.

REID: I totally avoid porn websites. Most porn site owners are low lifes to begin with, especially porn site owners that are also scam artists.

PAUL: What's that old saying, champ? People who live in fraudulent houses shouldn't throw stones?

REID: It's "people who live in fraudulent houses should have their arms and legs broken."

PAUL: Do this leon. Come back on Monday with a witty reply. That way, this page will go right back to the top, so even more people can see it. That'll show everyone just how smart you are.

REID: What in the world are you doing Paul? Don't encourage this putz. Don't you know that it's not nice to make fun of the handicap?

PAUL: Plus, you'll get to give me another piece of your mind. Don't make it a big piece though. You'll need to keep most of what you have to talk people into those phony web sites you're hustling.

REID: Scam artists don't use any part of their minds. Their mouths are all that's needed.

PAUL: Oh, and learn how to spell. The plural of company is companies, not company's. And, bus fare is spelled fare not fair. Hopefully, you're not the guy who makes the web pages. Browsers could never understand just what in the hell you wanted.

REID: I don't think that Leon has spell check on his computer. That's alright though, it's not rocket science to post filth on the Internet. Special education is all that's required.

LEON: Paul, Yes. I have no problem exposing my real name, as we are for real and so am I.

With that being said, I will simply say one thing for you to consider....

By your own admission, you never purchased any of our programs and never spent a dime with my companies, so obviously we never wronged you in any way. Furthermore, just to prove that we are honest, I will let you send an email to a person that once complained about Big Hitters on this same web site, and later recanted his complaint and has told me to send his email to anybody that wants a reference. troublenomore@aol.com, his name is Joe and he has an 1-800 virtual chat line with me.

REID: What's with all the discreet contacts? Open discussions are what it's all about! I could give you Leon, many people's emails who would say what a great guy I am. Doesn't say mean or prove squat. The mere fact that you would even consider something so preposterous proves you're an idiot.

LEON: One last thing I want to offer you....
I will GIVE you at no charge any single web site or phone line priced $499 or below at NO CHARGE, just so you can take a free test drive and learn for yourself that we are not only for real, but honest and dependable.

REID: Would you kindly extend this offer to me Leon? Since you are so adamant about "helping" people create wealth, would you also advertise my FREE website as well? When I become successful as Joe has, I will gladly pay you the $499. Deal? Who would like to bet Leon does not accept this offer. But yet he has no problem selling these websites?????

LEON: Over the past 12yrs. I have seen several companies come and go, and yet we are sill here and doing great, please consider my offer.

REID: Over the past 12yrs I have seen Donkey Lapre, Carlton "Sheet" for brains, Tom "Asian Baboon" Vu, and a host of other scam artists and yet they're all still here and doing great. What's your point?

I will gladly consider your offer Leon, so long it meets my terms and conditions. You should have no problem with my terms however, as you seem very adamant and concerned with everyones wealth and well being.

Please consider my offer Leon. YOU set ME up with one of YOUR $499 websites, advertise/market it. I will pay YOU the $499 contingent upon my success.

PAUL: If you could actually make these great, profitable sites like you claim, why in the hell would you sell them for a lousy $500? Are you santa claus?

REID: Probably over weight like Santa, but I don't think Leon is anything close to being Santa. We'll see if Leon accepts my offer or just makes excuses as to why he won't.

PAUL: Let me ask you. What do these sites typically net each month? Maybe $500? How about $1000?

Now, if anyone could churn out web sites that produce even $500 a month, why would that person sell them to strangers? They'd have to be crazy to do that.

REID: Crazy is not the word. Scam artist (scum bag) is a better fit.

PAUL: If I could make $500 a month off a web site, I'd sit back and collect the six grand from it. There's no way in hell I'd sell it to you or anyone else for a lousy $500. In fact, I'd make a dozen sites just like it. Then, I'd have an income I could live on.

REID: Your last paragraph Paul, proves that Leons so called businesses are scams. His "earning claims" vs the amount for the websites clearly makes no sense mathematically, therefore are without question bogus.

PAUL: But, it never works out like that, does it?

The typical newbie buyer sits there dreaming about how he's gonna be the next internet millionaire. So, he buys up one of these turn-key, ready to go web sites.

REID: Poor fellow who does so.

PAUL: The idiot actually thinks he can just throw the site up, and 20 minutes later both google and yahoo will have indexed it and started listing it in their search results. Then, he thinks he can just buy a $99 meta word optimization package that will give him the top listing in every search engine out there.

Boy, if it was only that easy!

The truth is that people typically spend hundreds, if not thousands with google adwords. Just for clicks. The buyer doesn't have to buy anything, the minute the link is clicked, you pay. Plus, there are tons of other search engines. Reciprocal links. Affiliate ads. Banners. Paid traffic. Doorway pages. Hosting fees. The list goes on and on.

I could easily spend $3,000 on your free site, just trying to get some people to come and look at it.

Then, once they're there, are they going to buy anything? Does your company have a wholesale source of products that will beat what is currently out there? I doubt that.

Plus, the site owner has to contend with froogle. That will find and index the lowest prices. Guess who gets the sale?

I looked at the internet and this whole e-commerce thing a long time ago. Since then, it's only gotten worse as millions of new sites went online. Each of them, clawing for some market share.

I can make my own site. If I need shopping cart software, I'll buy a package.

But, the absolute last thing I need is some black hole that costs me a grand a month so I can make $300 in net profit.

They have a little thing out now. It's called positive cash flow. I limit myself to ventures that actually have a chance in hell of producing some.

The best thing you could do for me would be to loan me the $99 for the bus fare. I least, that would actually get me somewhere.

REID: I don't know much about e commerce so I won't comment on the rest. Thank you very much Leon, for your consideration regarding my FREE website and all the advertising necessary to make me one of your "success stories."

Thank you Paul, for giving me all the information I need to realize, that Leon is full of himself, and will more than likely ignore my acceptance of his offer and pay him $499 contingent upon my success. Only time will tell I guess.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.


Paul

Anaheim,
California,
U.S.A.

Big promises and crazy dreams that never come true. That's what you can expect from these turn-key e-commerce sites.

#16Consumer Suggestion

Tue, September 20, 2005

I've watched one dreamer and wide-eyed newbie after another try to make their fortune on the internet.

I've seen them sit there and struggle to get traffic to their sites.

And, spend money they can't afford to part with on google adwords.

In the end, they all gave up, broke and disgusted.

Hell, you could give me a free site, with free hosting and another four grand for advertising, and I STILL wouldn't take it. Because no matter how you work it, it's difficult or impossible to make a living off the internet. Hell, I'll dig a hole in the back yard and try to strike oil before I'll get involved in this crazy internet e-commerce nonsense.

The only way I see is to sell the sites to the suckers dumb enough to buy them. Which, coincidentally, is exactly what this nonsense company is doing.

You don't see them out running any casino or adult sites, do you?

I rest my case.


Larry

Tucson,
Arizona,
U.S.A.

What's going on here?

#16Consumer Comment

Tue, September 20, 2005

Leon says that Franchise Opportunities would not do business with him. But I just followed Paul's suggestion to google "Big Hitters" and guess what I find? The Franchise Opportunities website page touting Big Hitters!

That Franchise Opportunities site reminds me of something about a fool and his money. It just boggles the mind to think that Franchise Opportunities could possibly find anything too sleazy to deal with.

So what does Big Hitters offer? You pay them to set up a porno website for you. They supply every including the models. Why, all you have to do is wait for the armored car to show up and drop off the bags of loot! But if they have all the stuff to set up a profitable website, what do they need you for? Why don't they just create their own websites and keep all that big money for themselves? Why would they want a couple of thousand bucks from you when these websites generate up sixty thousand dollars their first year? (That's their claim.) And the sites generate additional compounding commissions for life! (Also their claim.) It just makes no sense to sell off the golden goose for peanuts. Unless the golden goose just lays goose eggs.


Larry

Tucson,
Arizona,
U.S.A.

What's going on here?

#16Consumer Comment

Tue, September 20, 2005

Leon says that Franchise Opportunities would not do business with him. But I just followed Paul's suggestion to google "Big Hitters" and guess what I find? The Franchise Opportunities website page touting Big Hitters!

That Franchise Opportunities site reminds me of something about a fool and his money. It just boggles the mind to think that Franchise Opportunities could possibly find anything too sleazy to deal with.

So what does Big Hitters offer? You pay them to set up a porno website for you. They supply every including the models. Why, all you have to do is wait for the armored car to show up and drop off the bags of loot! But if they have all the stuff to set up a profitable website, what do they need you for? Why don't they just create their own websites and keep all that big money for themselves? Why would they want a couple of thousand bucks from you when these websites generate up sixty thousand dollars their first year? (That's their claim.) And the sites generate additional compounding commissions for life! (Also their claim.) It just makes no sense to sell off the golden goose for peanuts. Unless the golden goose just lays goose eggs.


Larry

Tucson,
Arizona,
U.S.A.

What's going on here?

#16Consumer Comment

Tue, September 20, 2005

Leon says that Franchise Opportunities would not do business with him. But I just followed Paul's suggestion to google "Big Hitters" and guess what I find? The Franchise Opportunities website page touting Big Hitters!

That Franchise Opportunities site reminds me of something about a fool and his money. It just boggles the mind to think that Franchise Opportunities could possibly find anything too sleazy to deal with.

So what does Big Hitters offer? You pay them to set up a porno website for you. They supply every including the models. Why, all you have to do is wait for the armored car to show up and drop off the bags of loot! But if they have all the stuff to set up a profitable website, what do they need you for? Why don't they just create their own websites and keep all that big money for themselves? Why would they want a couple of thousand bucks from you when these websites generate up sixty thousand dollars their first year? (That's their claim.) And the sites generate additional compounding commissions for life! (Also their claim.) It just makes no sense to sell off the golden goose for peanuts. Unless the golden goose just lays goose eggs.


Larry

Tucson,
Arizona,
U.S.A.

What's going on here?

#16Consumer Comment

Tue, September 20, 2005

Leon says that Franchise Opportunities would not do business with him. But I just followed Paul's suggestion to google "Big Hitters" and guess what I find? The Franchise Opportunities website page touting Big Hitters!

That Franchise Opportunities site reminds me of something about a fool and his money. It just boggles the mind to think that Franchise Opportunities could possibly find anything too sleazy to deal with.

So what does Big Hitters offer? You pay them to set up a porno website for you. They supply every including the models. Why, all you have to do is wait for the armored car to show up and drop off the bags of loot! But if they have all the stuff to set up a profitable website, what do they need you for? Why don't they just create their own websites and keep all that big money for themselves? Why would they want a couple of thousand bucks from you when these websites generate up sixty thousand dollars their first year? (That's their claim.) And the sites generate additional compounding commissions for life! (Also their claim.) It just makes no sense to sell off the golden goose for peanuts. Unless the golden goose just lays goose eggs.


Paul

Anaheim,
California,
U.S.A.

If you could actually make these great, profitable sites like you claim, why in the hell would you sell them for a lousy $500? Are you santa claus?

#16Consumer Suggestion

Tue, September 20, 2005

Let me ask you. What do these sites typically net each month? Maybe $500? How about $1000?

Now, if anyone could churn out web sites that produce even $500 a month, why would that person sell them to strangers? They'd have to be crazy to do that.

If I could make $500 a month off a web site, I'd sit back and collect the six grand from it. There's no way in hell I'd sell it to you or anyone else for a lousy $500. In fact, I'd make a dozen sites just like it. Then, I'd have an income I could live on.

But, it never works out like that, does it?

The typical newbie buyer sits there dreaming about how he's gonna be the next internet millionaire. So, he buys up one of these turn-key, ready to go web sites.

The idiot actually thinks he can just throw the site up, and 20 minutes later both google and yahoo will have indexed it and started listing it in their search results. Then, he thinks he can just buy a $99 meta word optimization package that will give him the top listing in every search engine out there.

Boy, if it was only that easy!

The truth is that people typically spend hundreds, if not thousands with google adwords. Just for clicks. The buyer doesn't have to buy anything, the minute the link is clicked, you pay. Plus, there are tons of other search engines. Reciprocal links. Affiliate ads. Banners. Paid traffic. Doorway pages. Hosting fees. The list goes on and on.

I could easily spend $3,000 on your free site, just trying to get some people to come and look at it.

Then, once they're there, are they going to buy anything? Does your company have a wholesale source of products that will beat what is currently out there? I doubt that.

Plus, the site owner has to contend with froogle. That will find and index the lowest prices. Guess who gets the sale?

I looked at the internet and this whole e-commerce thing a long time ago. Since then, it's only gotten worse as millions of new sites went online. Each of them, clawing for some market share.

I can make my own site. If I need shopping cart software, I'll buy a package.

But, the absolute last thing I need is some black hole that costs me a grand a month so I can make $300 in net profit.

They have a little thing out now. It's called positive cash flow. I limit myself to ventures that actually have a chance in hell of producing some.

The best thing you could do for me would be to loan me the $99 for the bus fare. I least, that would actually get me somewhere.


Paul

Anaheim,
California,
U.S.A.

If you could actually make these great, profitable sites like you claim, why in the hell would you sell them for a lousy $500? Are you santa claus?

#16Consumer Suggestion

Tue, September 20, 2005

Let me ask you. What do these sites typically net each month? Maybe $500? How about $1000?

Now, if anyone could churn out web sites that produce even $500 a month, why would that person sell them to strangers? They'd have to be crazy to do that.

If I could make $500 a month off a web site, I'd sit back and collect the six grand from it. There's no way in hell I'd sell it to you or anyone else for a lousy $500. In fact, I'd make a dozen sites just like it. Then, I'd have an income I could live on.

But, it never works out like that, does it?

The typical newbie buyer sits there dreaming about how he's gonna be the next internet millionaire. So, he buys up one of these turn-key, ready to go web sites.

The idiot actually thinks he can just throw the site up, and 20 minutes later both google and yahoo will have indexed it and started listing it in their search results. Then, he thinks he can just buy a $99 meta word optimization package that will give him the top listing in every search engine out there.

Boy, if it was only that easy!

The truth is that people typically spend hundreds, if not thousands with google adwords. Just for clicks. The buyer doesn't have to buy anything, the minute the link is clicked, you pay. Plus, there are tons of other search engines. Reciprocal links. Affiliate ads. Banners. Paid traffic. Doorway pages. Hosting fees. The list goes on and on.

I could easily spend $3,000 on your free site, just trying to get some people to come and look at it.

Then, once they're there, are they going to buy anything? Does your company have a wholesale source of products that will beat what is currently out there? I doubt that.

Plus, the site owner has to contend with froogle. That will find and index the lowest prices. Guess who gets the sale?

I looked at the internet and this whole e-commerce thing a long time ago. Since then, it's only gotten worse as millions of new sites went online. Each of them, clawing for some market share.

I can make my own site. If I need shopping cart software, I'll buy a package.

But, the absolute last thing I need is some black hole that costs me a grand a month so I can make $300 in net profit.

They have a little thing out now. It's called positive cash flow. I limit myself to ventures that actually have a chance in hell of producing some.

The best thing you could do for me would be to loan me the $99 for the bus fare. I least, that would actually get me somewhere.


Paul

Anaheim,
California,
U.S.A.

If you could actually make these great, profitable sites like you claim, why in the hell would you sell them for a lousy $500? Are you santa claus?

#16Consumer Suggestion

Tue, September 20, 2005

Let me ask you. What do these sites typically net each month? Maybe $500? How about $1000?

Now, if anyone could churn out web sites that produce even $500 a month, why would that person sell them to strangers? They'd have to be crazy to do that.

If I could make $500 a month off a web site, I'd sit back and collect the six grand from it. There's no way in hell I'd sell it to you or anyone else for a lousy $500. In fact, I'd make a dozen sites just like it. Then, I'd have an income I could live on.

But, it never works out like that, does it?

The typical newbie buyer sits there dreaming about how he's gonna be the next internet millionaire. So, he buys up one of these turn-key, ready to go web sites.

The idiot actually thinks he can just throw the site up, and 20 minutes later both google and yahoo will have indexed it and started listing it in their search results. Then, he thinks he can just buy a $99 meta word optimization package that will give him the top listing in every search engine out there.

Boy, if it was only that easy!

The truth is that people typically spend hundreds, if not thousands with google adwords. Just for clicks. The buyer doesn't have to buy anything, the minute the link is clicked, you pay. Plus, there are tons of other search engines. Reciprocal links. Affiliate ads. Banners. Paid traffic. Doorway pages. Hosting fees. The list goes on and on.

I could easily spend $3,000 on your free site, just trying to get some people to come and look at it.

Then, once they're there, are they going to buy anything? Does your company have a wholesale source of products that will beat what is currently out there? I doubt that.

Plus, the site owner has to contend with froogle. That will find and index the lowest prices. Guess who gets the sale?

I looked at the internet and this whole e-commerce thing a long time ago. Since then, it's only gotten worse as millions of new sites went online. Each of them, clawing for some market share.

I can make my own site. If I need shopping cart software, I'll buy a package.

But, the absolute last thing I need is some black hole that costs me a grand a month so I can make $300 in net profit.

They have a little thing out now. It's called positive cash flow. I limit myself to ventures that actually have a chance in hell of producing some.

The best thing you could do for me would be to loan me the $99 for the bus fare. I least, that would actually get me somewhere.


Paul

Anaheim,
California,
U.S.A.

If you could actually make these great, profitable sites like you claim, why in the hell would you sell them for a lousy $500? Are you santa claus?

#16Consumer Suggestion

Tue, September 20, 2005

Let me ask you. What do these sites typically net each month? Maybe $500? How about $1000?

Now, if anyone could churn out web sites that produce even $500 a month, why would that person sell them to strangers? They'd have to be crazy to do that.

If I could make $500 a month off a web site, I'd sit back and collect the six grand from it. There's no way in hell I'd sell it to you or anyone else for a lousy $500. In fact, I'd make a dozen sites just like it. Then, I'd have an income I could live on.

But, it never works out like that, does it?

The typical newbie buyer sits there dreaming about how he's gonna be the next internet millionaire. So, he buys up one of these turn-key, ready to go web sites.

The idiot actually thinks he can just throw the site up, and 20 minutes later both google and yahoo will have indexed it and started listing it in their search results. Then, he thinks he can just buy a $99 meta word optimization package that will give him the top listing in every search engine out there.

Boy, if it was only that easy!

The truth is that people typically spend hundreds, if not thousands with google adwords. Just for clicks. The buyer doesn't have to buy anything, the minute the link is clicked, you pay. Plus, there are tons of other search engines. Reciprocal links. Affiliate ads. Banners. Paid traffic. Doorway pages. Hosting fees. The list goes on and on.

I could easily spend $3,000 on your free site, just trying to get some people to come and look at it.

Then, once they're there, are they going to buy anything? Does your company have a wholesale source of products that will beat what is currently out there? I doubt that.

Plus, the site owner has to contend with froogle. That will find and index the lowest prices. Guess who gets the sale?

I looked at the internet and this whole e-commerce thing a long time ago. Since then, it's only gotten worse as millions of new sites went online. Each of them, clawing for some market share.

I can make my own site. If I need shopping cart software, I'll buy a package.

But, the absolute last thing I need is some black hole that costs me a grand a month so I can make $300 in net profit.

They have a little thing out now. It's called positive cash flow. I limit myself to ventures that actually have a chance in hell of producing some.

The best thing you could do for me would be to loan me the $99 for the bus fare. I least, that would actually get me somewhere.


Leon

San Diego,
California,
U.S.A.

Response to Paul

#16REBUTTAL Owner of company

Mon, September 19, 2005

Paul,

Yes. I have no problem exposing my real name, as we are for real and so am I.

With that being said, I will simply say one thing for you to consider....

By your own admission, you never purchased any of our programs and never spent a dime with my companies, so obviously we never wronged you in any way. Furthermore, just to prove that we are honest, I will let you send an email to a person that once complained about Big Hitters on this same web site, and later recanted his complaint and has told me to send his email to anybody that wants a reference. troublenomore@aol.com, his name is Joe and he has an 1-800 virtual chat line with me.

One last thing I want to offer you....
I will GIVE you at no charge any single web site or phone line priced $499 or below at NO CHARGE, just so you can take a free test drive and learn for yourself that we are not only for real, but honest and dependable.

Over the past 12yrs. I have seen several companies come and go, and yet we are sill here and doing great, please consider my offer.


Paul

Anaheim,
California,
U.S.A.

Not a competitor of Saturn Communications or Big Hitters. And, since I didn't buy your phony 900 line, I'd say that makes me pretty smart.

#16Consumer Suggestion

Sat, September 17, 2005

I remember this con very well. I probably called 10 years ago. It was a long time.

But, I remember the phone conversation very well. I'm familiar with how these cons work. When I was a kid, I had a guy try to sell me oil well leases. That was the con of the day back then.

Since then, I've seen and heard of just about everything. I'm one of these people who is always watching for new business opportunities. So naturally, I learned early on how to separate the scams from the real deals.

I remember talking to your salesman. He ran this story about how he could set me up with a 900 line and I'd be making a ton of money off it.

I knew in the first 15 seconds it was a fraud, but I listened to see how effective the scam was. Back then, not very. They wanted a lot of money and made crazy promises that were out of this world.

You'd have to have been pretty dumb to have got involved in the nonsense they were running back then.

All you have to do is google big hitters and you can easily find the web site. It says Saturn Communications right on it. Plus, I've seen the ads in like a million different magazines.

Readers, go to this guy's web site. Big hitters. There's a picture of a girl sitting on ten foot stacks of money. And, this fool comes here and says he's not running a scam? Who's he kidding? Ten foot stacks of money? Yeah, that has to be a real opportunity, huh?

Honestly, I don't know how in the hell you managed to stay around this long. Your cons are not that good. You can't be making a ton of money with them. I guess you're just a bit player working out of a back office behind a strip mall down there in San Diego. Twelve years running this same old con, and still you haven't made anything worthwhile with it? That's just weak. Maybe fraud is just not something you were cut out for, sport. Did that ever dawn on you? Have you thought about something else? Furniture sales or maybe house painting?

Well, you keep on doing what you're doing. And, keep those fingers all crossed. Maybe one day, you'll get a sucker from La Jolla to drop by with a big bankroll and you'll finally be able to afford that new Accord you always dreamed of.

Until then, keep on running that same old thing. Hell, it hasn't worked so far, but you're far too old to change courses now.

Oh, I'll take that loan you mentioned. Do you have the money now, or do I need to wait until next month, when you sell another one of your phony adult web sites?

Oh, by the way, leon, thanks for coming here. You see, when you got all pissed off because an advertiser didn't want to help you run your scam, you inadvertently put you own name right here where everyone in the whole wide world will see it now.

Thanks to you, boy, the whole world will find out that Saturn Communications and big hitters are both scams they need to avoid.

What's that old saying, champ? People who live in fraudulent houses shouldn't throw stones?

Do this leon. Come back on Monday with a witty reply. That way, this page will go right back to the top, so even more people can see it. That'll show everyone just how smart you are.

Plus, you'll get to give me another piece of your mind. Don't make it a big piece though. You'll need to keep most of what you have to talk people into those phony web sites you're hustling.

Oh, and learn how to spell. The plural of company is companies, not company's. And, bus fare is spelled fare not fair. Hopefully, you're not the guy who makes the web pages. Browsers could never understand just what in the hell you wanted.

Get working on that reply for Monday!


Leon

San Diego,
California,
U.S.A.

Response to Paul

#16Author of original report

Sat, September 17, 2005

Well Paul,

You are either a nasty competitor trying to discredit my company or you are just an idiot.

I find it interesting that you go out of your way to mention both company's I own, yet only Big Hitters was mentioned in the posting. You are not a happy man.

You think we are a scam, yet we have been in business for over 12 years, hummm....we must be doing something right.
You mention a $99 fortune...please, read our web site and brochures, and you would find that we are the only business opportunity that informs people that we do not offer any get rich quick programs, and that it will take both time and money in advertising to make a business successful.

Try spending some real money or investing real money and then complain to somebody, in the meantime, those individuals that want to enter into an adult business opportunity have a realiable company to trust and depend on.

I will loan you $99 for a bus fair to Alaska, moron!


Paul

Anaheim,
California,
U.S.A.

Hell, they may not give you a reason, but I can tell you exactly why they want nothing to do with big hitters. You're running a scam, that's why!

#16Consumer Suggestion

Sat, September 17, 2005

Big hitters along with Saturn communications offer customers a variety of business opportunities.

I remember talking to someone from this company a long time ago. They offered me a 900 number. They claimed to do all the work. I just had to provide the advertising. Naturally, they claimed that I'd make a ton of money.

Common sense tells you right away that they are running a scam. Big money? Little or no work? When does that ever come true?

Little has changed with this company since I called. Now, they have the internet to use to rip people off. Go to their site. Big hitters. See the variety of products and opportunities they are offering.

They have a special offer now. They will cheat you out of as little as $99 for a limited time.

Here's the final insult. When I closed their web page, they had a pop-up ad that crashed my internet explorer. Oh yeah, these guys are real reputable!

Beware! Stay away from big hitters and Saturn communications.

Both of them are only in business to take your money and give you little or nothing in return!

And, when they do that, unlike the company they reported, you will NOT be getting any refunds.

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