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  • Report:  #212504

Complaint Review: Genesis Commercial Capital

Genesis Commercial Capital Fradulent lease extension ripoff Irvine, California

  • Reported By:
    Durham North Carolina
  • Submitted:
    Sun, September 24, 2006
  • Updated:
    Wed, April 04, 2018
  • Genesis Commercial Capital
    17551 Gillette Avenue
    Irvine, California
    U.S.A.
  • Phone:
    949-851-3036
  • Category:

I have leased equipment several times and used a couple of companies, but nothing like this has ever happened.

I signed an extended lease, which would end in Aug. 2006, with Genesis Capital. Before the first payment was to be made I was contacted by letter (the only written communication to date) informing me that the payment would be made to GE Capital and that ALL rights and obligations had been assigned to GE.

Later I had a similar lease with Balboa Capital which was for a shorter term and would end in Sept. 2006 and was also transferred to GE Capital but without the notice of assignment of rights.

In Dec. 2005 I contacted GE capital by phone to get the "fair market value" of both leases as I was making plans for the coming year with my accountant. I could not make the decision as to whether to purchase the leased item or return them without some information on which to make the determination. I received a call from Balboa Capital in January confirming the request and later the fair market value price. I gave them the notice required under the lease and received a confirmation.

I recieved no contact from Genesis what so ever. The equipment is automated and requires computer control, which was DOS based and will only run well under Window 3.1. The Windows 95 emulator does not work as well for the diagnostics. Given this technology is outdated at best and the new models of this system far outpace the old modles, I assumed this meant there was no real market value and proceeded with business as usual.

When the lease period expired I then got a bill from Genesis for rental, which I assumed would be the nominal purchase price, although it was a bit higher than expected. When I called I got the voice mail for my "single point of contact" (part of their ad for "better" service) and I left a message.

Over the next few days I received return phone calls on my voice mail at or near 5:00 PM Pacific time which was 8:00 PM my local time from three or four different people. One evening I called after 7:00 PM local time and got through. I was told that the lease was extended for a year because I had not notified them of my choice to buy or return the equipment. I explained the situation and the letter assigning all rights and priviledges to GE, which was contacted to get the information to make such a decision. I was asked to provide proof of my contact via certified mail stating my option, which had not happened as I wanted information to make that determination.

I was sent copies of my lease via e-mail, which I already had, and offered to roll this into a lease for one of the new models or to provide a "buyout price" for the lease. I was not interested in doing any further business with these folks so I declined the new lease. I have not received any figures on the fair market value price or the lease buy out, but I have received calls from several people daily and several times a day just to let me know they called or try to resolve this issue, but with no offer of resolution once they find out I was never given any other information.

I provided written notification that I had contacted several used equipment dealers and none could give a value on the equipment nor were they interested in buying it at any price. They were unwilling to even discuss a consignment sale if they had to take possession of the equipment. I was able to find another used system that I could purchase for $95.00, which set the market value below the $101.00 limit the lease required before I had to provide the 6 month notice of my decision to purchase or return the equipment to Genesis.

I finally had to turn this over to my attorney who informed them of this information. The daily calls have not stopped, but I was informed by the company which made me the offer to purchase their system that they too are getting daily calls in the attempt to cause them to change their price to $10,000.00, which Genesis tells them is the residual value of the equipment and also the value of the year's lease they claim is owed.

This is still ongoing, but I would be wary of any dealings with this company.

Wayne
Durham, North Carolina
U.S.A.

3 Updates & Rebuttals


Absolute

Kirkland,
Washington,
United States

Please contact us

#4Consumer Comment

Wed, April 04, 2018

Our manufacturing company (WA State) has a big issue with the end of term of the Equipment Lease with Genesis Commercial Capital/Genesis Capital Leasing. Please contact to us ASAP if you have or had the same situation with them. Please email us: protectbusiness2018@gmail.com


Daniel

Texas,
USA

RETRACTION OF COMMENT

#4Consumer Comment

Wed, August 30, 2017

"Please be advised Genesis Commercial and I have subsequently resolved any and all outstanding issues to the mutual acceptance of everyone involved.  My accusations of Genesis Commercial Capital and my statements regarding its principals and their prior employment were incorrect.  I hereby retract my prior statements concerning Genesis Commercial Capital and/or its principals.  I would also like to request that my original posting/complaint be completely removed in its entirety.”


Daniel

Georgetown,
Texas,

Multiple Consumer Complaints RE: fraudulent leasing activity Genesis Capital

#4Consumer Comment

Fri, August 15, 2014

We have experience the exact (and worse) circumstances with this leasing company. See below.  If anyone has a information to provide, pelase contact me.  My counsel is seeking similar evidence of leasing fraud in order to counter sue and submit to the California District Attorneys office for criminal acitons.


I own Almighty Rentals in Georgetown Texas and can be easily contacted there.

 

Urethane International brought with them a company called Genesis Capital, who was their financial resource to lease the equipment.  Genesis vocalized a lease with a minimal buy option at the end of the lease.  The cost of ownership was higher through the lease, but as a newly formed business with limited capital and no credit, it seemed a viable though slightly more expensive option.

We dutifully paid on the lease to the end of the terms as we understood them, at which point we were contacted by Genesis.  Contrary to what was explicitly expressed to me in phone conversations with the company principle, Eric Sidenbotham, Genesis informed me that, because we had not expressly and  formally indicated our intent to culminate the lease, that it had ‘auto-renewed’ for an additional 2 years.  Furthermore, any default in the payments would accelerate the amount due and they would pursue legal recourse.

Several things happened at this point.  We sought the advice of our in house legal counsel, Josh Schroeder of Sneed, Vine & Perry.  It became apparent that this was modus operandi for this company to prey on business / persons by misrepresenting the terms of the lease, that had very specific language in the lease contract.  Our offers to settle were futile, and the Genesis resolved itself to continue sending monthly “invoices” and past due notices, as well as daily calls to my cell phone and the business phone.

A cursory search of revealed several significant details about the company:

1) At least two of the principals , Eric Sidebotham and Greg Rieke, were previously involved with Balboa Capital, a company which had eventually been sued by the California Attorney General’s  Office- Kamala Harris, for the similar issue, where they were “leasing” equipment to churches and then extorting extraneous leasing charges.
a. http://leasingnews.org/archives/Mar2011/3_02.htm
2) Later, those two same principals, created / formed Genesis Capital.
3) There are a multitude of small business owners that have experienced the exact same issue with the company.
a. At one time the BBB of California had an “F” rating for the company, based on multiple consumer accounts.  This rating has been ‘massaged’ out, not surprisingly.
b. There are still many accounts from business owners and individuals that explicitly state the same circumstances: a misrepresented lease, followed by an incredibly aggressive collections structured posture.
4) The Clerk of Courts for Orange County list Genesis Capital as the plantiff for hundreds of civil cases citing breach of contract.

 

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