Grapplers Quest . Mr.Brian Cimins Grapplers Quest . Mr.Brian Cimins owe $7000 to FAB Products. Mr.Faiz Ul Azeem Butt Wayne New Jersey
Brian Cimins President of Grapplers Quest ( www.grapplersquest.com ) owe US$.7,125.00 to me Mr.Faiz Ul Azeem Butt owner of FAB Products a championship belts & medals manufacturing & exporting company . Brian ordered US$14K worth of awards from FAB Products and paid half of it with the help of his sponsor Mr.Michael Sachs ( CFO Tiger Schulmann ) ( President Challenge of Champions , LLC ) but when it comes to making remaining half payment they both disagreed to pay the remaining amount to Mr.Faiz Ul Azeem Butt ( FAB Products ).
Michael Sachs said in his email
Faiz, We agreed to sponsor Grapplers Quest for one event to see if we could both benefit from the events. We have chosen not to continue with the events so please contact Brian directly.
Thanks,
Michael Sachs
And when Mr.Faiz Ul Azeem Butt contacts Brian Cimins he also refused to pay the remaining amount , he said in his facebook conversation
Brian CiminsUnfortunately, The Florida event was "cancelled" by Mike Sachs on Tuesday, June 9th via the phone in one of the rudest conversations of my entire life. I'm sorry man, the rug was pulled from us and I don't know what to say other than I've hired an attorney to represent me and our brand to recover losses including this bill. My apologies for the challenges but we just aren't financially able to make this payment without the financial backing we expected that's been pulled and business relationship illegally thrown in the garbage.
6/23, 6:03pm
what do you mean ?
you are not paying me my money ?
6/23, 6:03pm
Brian Cimins
I didn't order them, Mike did Faiz
6/23, 6:03pm
I don't have any concern with what is happening with you ....you ordered goods from me and now you are asking me that you will not pay
6/23, 6:03pm
Brian Cimins
I will do my best
6/23, 6:03pm
who is MIke ?
who introduced MIke to me ?
who asked me to make new molds of belt and medal ?
who asked me to make 1500 medals & 100 belts ?
you Brian
and at last you asked me that Mike will pay the money
whos company is grapplers quest ?
6/23, 6:05pm
Brian Cimins
Was the first payment wired?
6/23, 6:05pm
yes the first payment was wired in advance
6/23, 6:05pm
Brian Cimins
Who wired the money?
6/23, 6:05pm
Mike
6/23, 6:05pm
Brian Cimins
Who did you ship to?
6/23, 6:05pm
MIke
6/23, 6:06pm
Brian Cimins
Ok - so you understand that I wouldn't have been able to order these without financial backing
6/23, 6:07pm
Brian its not my headache ...you have to deal with Mike and get me paid
6/23, 6:07pm
Brian Cimins
Please follow up with him directly
6/23, 6:07pm
whether you pay from your own pocket or get money from him
6/23, 6:07pm
Brian Cimins
I'm not making any payments Faiz
He was supposed to
This order was part of his order
I'm sorry man but this was not our fault either
You couldn't even ship directly to me because he officially placed the order and made payment
6/23, 6:09pm
Brian who introduced Mike to me ? you ? I don't know who Mike is
6/23, 6:10pm
Brian Cimins
And we paid for what was shipped already correct?
6/23, 6:11pm
yes
6/23, 6:11pm
Brian Cimins
Ok - please melt down our awards and reuse the raw materials
6/23, 6:11pm
and what about the rest of the order ? which you asked me ? you asked for 1500 medals & 100 belts Brian ? I have made all of it and packed ready to be shipped
what ???
melt down ?
6/23, 6:12pm
Brian Cimins
That's the best advice for you
6/23, 6:12pm
You know what Brian
that's my fault that I trusted you ...after your harsh conversation with me last time when you paid me and then asked to refund the money .....
6/23, 6:14pm
Brian Cimins
I got you a new clients to replace me in the future hopefully. I wish you all the best
but don't you worry if you are not going to pay me or not getting me paid from Mike I am not forgiving you or Mike .....I have all of the conversation in my emails and facebook I WILL SHOW THE WORLD WHAT YOU BOTH DID TO ME
6/23, 6:14pm
Brian Cimins
Faiz, threatening me will get you nowhere and will turn every American promoter away from you
Be very careful
I'm sorry the heat is so bad in Pakistan right now
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And after this conversation they both Brian & Mike blocked me on facebook and did not reply to my messages and calls .
I have the pro forma invocie of order which is signatured by both Brian Cimins & Michael Sachs .
3 Updates & Rebuttals
Brian Cimins, CEO
Wayne,New Jersey,
United States of America
Disparagement is a dirty business. I, Brian Cimins, owner of Grapplers Quest worldwide present the irrefutable proof this entire "complaint" is defamation of character, libelous and untrue. See image
#4REBUTTAL Owner of company
Sat, November 12, 2016
Disparagement is a dirty business. I, Brian Cimins, owner of Grapplers Quest worldwide can proud to present the irrefutable proof this entire "complaint" is defamation of character, libelous and untrue. Mike Sachs of Tiger Schulman agreed to pay for all of these awards via email with Faiz Butt. Faiz knew I wasn't responsible for payment, but still created this post in an attempt to damage our reputation. I will warn Grappling, Jiu Jitsu and Mixed Martial Arts promoters worldwide to avoid working with Faiz Al Um Butt and or FAB Products, at all costs, as they are not honorable, trustworthy or reputable.
Brian Cimins, CEO
Wayne,New Jersey,
United States of America
Supporting photo proving libel against Grapplers Quest and Brian Cimins
#4REBUTTAL Owner of company
Sun, November 06, 2016
I've tried to post the email screen shot below for several weeks, but will paste the email as well to clear our name fully.
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From: Mike Sachs <mike>
Date: Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: Grapplers Quest Awards and COC team cup trophies
To: Faiz Ul Azeem Butt <fabproducts@gmail.com>
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The email is FROM MIKE SACHS of TIGER SCHULMANN and CHALLENGE OF CHAMPIONS with FAIZ AL BUTT of FAB PRODUCTS. It clearly states that MIKE SACHS is 100% responsible for ALL AWARDS orders and payments. This report was falsely posted to disparage our business and name both on Google and other search engines.
I am sorry all of this happen and I forgive you all but would appreciate this being deleted, because it clearly is LIBEL at this point damaging our good reputation. Also, for the record, RipOffReport.com allowed this customer to illegally register from ALASKA, yet they are clearly from Pakistan. Please remove this post, it's harmed our good reputation, shows the inaccuracies allowed even though this was emailed dozens of times to RipOffReport.com for nearly 16 months now. If you are a just website who is to be respected, remove this inaccurate and unlawful post from FAB PRODUCTS.
Brian Cimins, CEO
Wayne,New Jersey,
United States of America
FAB Products
#4REBUTTAL Owner of company
Sat, November 05, 2016
Faiz, first and foremost, I'm very sorry for your suffering. Grapplers Quest and FAB Products worked successfully together for many years without any problems, we recommended you to many new American customers and we really enjoyed working with you. You always delivered and we always paid you as requested without interruption for 7 years. Looking at my tax returns, we spent more than $150,000 with FAB Products since 2008 on medals, championship belts and tons of apparel.
This situation was not in any way a reflection upon Grapplers Quest or me personally or even, the financial burden of this order was on Michael Sachs of TSK, who agreed to sponsor our awards for two events.
FAB Products and Grapplers Quest worked together for seven years of successful business relationship together, but rather ONE rogue partnership gone bad worth less than 5% of our business together over the years should not have resulted in the libelous complaint you posted. I forgive you for trying to damage my person reputation and business reputation, but I cannot forgive RipOffReport.com for allowing you to illegally post an international complaint while illegally listing your STATE as Alaska.
FAIZ, I am sorry that you didn't get paid for the 2nd order of medals for the July 2015 event in Orlando from Mike Sachs, he also kept the $60,000+ generated from the Grapplers Quest event and we didn't get paid that either. Not only did Tiger Schulman led by Mike Sachs keep 100% of the events revenues from the June 2015 event, they also cancelled the July 2015 event at Disney and fired me on Tuesday like Steve Jobs got fired from Apple.
This was a disaster, but you know that the order of these medals came from the event sponsor, MIKE SACHS, Tiger Schulmann and Challenge of Champions and the balance was supposed to be paid by them as well, it was never ordered from Brian Cimins or Grapplers Quest. Mike Sachs of Tiger Schulmann and Challenge of Champions was the main sponsor, signed all Purchase Orders and even had awards shipped directly to him, therefore, we request that you edit your post or remove it completely.
Great news for us both...we love grappling and never gave up, even after TSK kept all our GQ money (ticket sales and competitor registration fees) we generated on June 6, 2015 at the 2015 Grapplers Quest U.S. National Championships in Edison, New Jersey, we never gave up. We are relaunching in 2017 with a tremendous new fully funded partnership and we would love to work with FAB Products again. If you still have any remaining belts or medals, please email us inventory counts to: BCimins@GrapplersQuest.com - God Bless you always and forever, this too shall pass my brother.