HAYS LAW CENTER William T. Hays Law Center Beware of these thieves!! This so-called 'Law Center' is just another SCAM to steal your money!! Lake Forest, California
*Note: I delayed this post to give law enforcement agencies time to begin their investigations on these thieves.
Like all these other posts, we too became victims of these smooth talking scam artists at the 'HAYS LAW CENTER' 26497 Rancho Parkway South,Lake Forest, CA, 92630 (949)-916-8179. Luckily I discovered their scam before they ripped us off for a lot more! While researching for a HUD loan modification, 'Hays' sent me a spam email for their 'services'. They claimed to be representing HUD, and guaranteed our home loan modification! The 'senior case manager' who handled our 'case' was 'KIMBERLY SLATER', kim@haysacc.com (949)-600-8114. One of her many lies she told was that we could immediately STOP making our mortgage payments, and then instructed me to "put the cash under the mattress so 'they' can't find it". 'Kimberly' said that she would even send us an 'instruction form' that we could read to our creditors when they called! After applying on line, an overnight package arrived with all the paperwork they needed for us to sign and return, which included a payment schedule for the $3500 fees.
Fortunately that night I did some on line investigating and discovered not only Ripoffreport.com, but numerous blogs about these thieves and the people that have been scammed out of money! I called 'Kimberly' the next morning and was finally able to get through to her after several hours and the gauntlet of people they have working the phones...I'm sure in some telemarketing operation! On the advice of my attorney, I verbally instructed her that the 'Hays Law Center' was NOT representing us in any matters, and to destroy any and all of our personal information. I also sent her an email with the same instructions. She told me that 'they' (Hays Law Center) could not proceed until they had our 'wet signed' documents returned to them, so I thought I was done with these thieves....wrong. This was three weeks ago. I also called my mortgage lender to inform them that 'Hays Law Center' was not representing us in a home loan modification! Luckily again, 'Hays' had not called my mortgage lender as 'Kimberly' told me they had already done!...another lie!!
Two weeks after canceling, I discovered that the 'Hays Law Center-Foothill Ranch' had made an illegal and fraudulent withdrawal from our checking account via an unsigned electronic check, and deposited it into a branch account at J.P. Morgan Chase Bank in Santa Ana, CA! I had underestimated these scammers! Though an inconvenience, my terrific bank handled the illegal withdrawal, and their fraud division is investigating. I also filed a felony theft crime report with my local law enforcement agency, the Internet Crimes Task Force and the District Attorney's Fraud Unit. I also reported this scam to the F.B.I. Fraud Division, the CA State Attorney Generals Office, HUD Investigations, The Orange County Sheriff's Department Fraud Division, The CA State Bar Association, and several other Federal and State fraud reporting agencies. The F.B.I. updated our case file from my earlier report, and several other State and Federal agencies are also now actively investigating these thieves! I have also contacted the City Manager's Office and City Attorney for the City of Lake Forest, CA. City of Lake Forest City Hall, 25550 Commercentre Drive, Suite 100, Lake Forest, CA 92630, Phone (949) 461-3400 FAX (949) 461-3511.
If you are victim of their scam, DO report it to your local F.B.I. Fraud Unit and your local law enforcement Internet Crimes Task Force, including HUD. It stated on his own web site that this 'William T. Hays' attorney has been barred from engaging in any home loans or foreclosures! His profile says he passed the Bar in 1949, which would put him in his 90's! Don't be intimidated by these thieves! There are NO 'attorneys' in this so called 'law center'! Only minimum wage employees trained how to talk YOU out of your money! They think they can hide behind the name of a 90 year old disbarred attorney, and that your electronic on line approval is valid...it's not. In California, as in many States, there is Law which calls for a grace period for you to change your mind with contracts, designed to protect consumers. We will probably not see our money again that they stole from us, but I guarantee that my wife and I will get satisfaction when we see the jail doors slam in prison on these scammers! I think 'Kimberly' will look great in pinstripes, don't you?!
4 Updates & Rebuttals
Oh so Sad
Santa Ana,California,
United States of America
Screamers in the House
#5Consumer Suggestion
Wed, December 07, 2011
Hey George Head. I have a suggestion for you. Pay your mortgage and you have absolutely nothing to worry about. But I guess it's cool to be the 99% and have everybody else pay for your bad decisions. It sucks to be you.
Oh so Sad
Santa Ana,California,
United States of America
Screamer in the House
#5Consumer Suggestion
Wed, December 07, 2011
Well I suppose George Head could of side stepped all of his monumental problems by simply living up to his obligations and promises and paying his mortgage like most normal people do but I guess that is too much to ask. It's good to be the 99% because everybody owes you a living and you shouldn't have to actually pay people for a house you can not afford. Party on George!
BigGeorge
El Cajon,California,
USA
Now 'threats' from 'Hays Law Center'!!
#5Author of original report
Mon, September 20, 2010
So now I'm being 'sued'?! I have to hand it to you scammers! If nothing else, you are versatile!...first you're a 'law firm', then liars, then scammers, now comedians! What are you adding next to your resume, 'inmates'?! Well go for it...I look forward to getting you thieves in a court of law! Why wait 7 days?! I wouldn't bother bringing 'attorney' Patrick Hays...his license (#153187) to practice law has been yanked for the, what??...NINTH TIME by the State Bar of California (and yes, I have a copy provided to me from the CA State AG's Office). For a 'law center', you sure do seem to be running out of 'attorneys'!
And geeee...I guess that I should really be concerned about being 'sued' for libel and slander! Well, for statements to be libelous and slanderous, they have to be false, which mine are not. Obviously you are one of the minimum-wage telemarketers working at this 'Law Center', and was told to write a rebuttal, or you would lose your job, right? Let me provide you with some 'facts'. Maybe I 'agreed' to the initial contract offer when I was told you were contacting me from HUD, kind of like many of the other complaints posted here on Ripoff Report! By the way, HUD has since dropped 'Hays Law Center' from their referral list. It was within hours that same day after talking with 'Kimberly' that I discovered the home loan modification scam that 'Hays' was pulling on people! I immediately phoned my family attorney, and followed his instructions to contact 'Hays' both in writing and by phone CANCELING any 'contract', which I did the NEXT MORNING, not TWO DAYS later as this rebuttal states. You do still have that recording, don't you?!
"We never received any payments from Mr. Head"??...so I guess the copy of the electronic check showing the funds illegally withdrawn from our checking account and deposited into a J.P. Morgan Chase Bank, Foothill Branch, to the account of 'Hays Law Center' TWO WEEKS after I instructed 'Hays' to cancel any contract, that's false too, right? Are you planning on suing my bank for libel for providing me the copy of the 'Hays' check??!! When you 'sue' me, make sure you bring ALL of the 'recordings' with you to court. I'm sure the judge will be amused when they hear 'Kimberly' tell us we can "immediately stop making our mortgage payments, and to 'hide the money under our mattress' so 'they' can't find it"! You do still have that recording also now, don't you?!
The letter that I just received from a 'C.R. Elkins, Director, Hays Law Center', which states that the 'Hays Law Center' has 'destroyed' all of our information, but says if we would like to reopen our 'case', to continue making our payments (key word here is 'continue', that's why I underlined it for you) and include an additional $300 for reopening 'fees'! You might have seen it...the letter on 'Hays Law Center' letterhead, but with our names and address handwritten and my name misspelled...you know, that letter?! Doesn't 'Hays Law Center' make enough money from the "numerous homeowners who have been helped by our office" to even by a cheap printer?! I'm sure that you made a bunch of money from all these 'satisfied' homeowners who posted all of their libelous statements about 'Hays' here on Ripoff Report! You are going to threaten to sue them too, aren't you?! And when you go buy that new printer, you might want to get a new version of MS Word that has spell checker (typos)! Oh, and since the letter pre-dates your rebuttal post, does that mean 'C.R. Elkins' is lying to me when it states that all of my information was 'destroyed', or are you? You can see how a judge would interpret this suing stuff as 'all' would include the recordings.
So before you decide on another rebuttal posting, I would get your 'facts' straight! And do bring your medical degree to court when you 'sue' me...you know, the degree in psychology for your diagnosis of my "emotional problems, or may have been under the influence". That statement, by the way, IS slander. I almost forgot the 'apology'. Ok...I'm sorry that I ever allowed myself to be scammed by the 'Hays Law Center'. How's that?! See ya' in court.
Hays
Newport Beach,California,
United States of America
Slander and Libel Per Se
#5UPDATE Employee
Fri, September 17, 2010
The complaint filed by Mr. George Head false, misleading, slanderous and libel per se. His lies are outrageous! We will be pursuing a cliam for defamation against Mr. George Head located at 13625 Darryl Court, El Cajon CA 92021. We intend to file a lawsuit for damages within seven days unless this complaint is retracted and all regulatory offices are contacted for retractions as well with a formal apology letter for his unlawful actions. The claim that William T Hays has been disbarred is false. He is an active member of the Bar and has never been the subject of any disciplinary actions throughout his long career. The allegation that "we stole from them money" is false. We never recieved any payments from Mr. Head. Rather, he stopped payment of fees owed for completed services. He still owes the firm money. Mr. Heads claim that we told him to stop making payments to his lender is false. In a recorded conversation with his consent dated August 16th, 2010, he was asked "do you understand we never advise you to miss a house payment?" He replied, "yes i do". Mr. Head signed the retainer agreement on August 16th, 2010 wherein a fee schedule was provided for payment after specified services had been completed. Thereafter, two days later, Mr. Head was contacted by Bob Baseker, our quality control manager on August 18th where in we again addressed the paperwork involved. He was amicable and satisfied at that time. It appears Mr. Head has irrationally, maliciously, and without good cause slandered the firm. We are intend to pursue any and all remedies including punitive damages for his actions. Mr. Head is also invited to come down to the office to see for himself the ridiculous and false nature of his allegations. He also welcome to contact any of the numerous homeowners who have been helped by our office which we can provide at his request. Based upon circumstances it appears Mr. Head may have emotional problems, or may have been under the influence when he wrote this complaint and took the actions he claims he took. Unless we recieved confirmation of the retrations and an apology within 7 days, we are filing a lawsuit against him.