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Complaint Review: Hobby Manufacturers Association HMA

Hobby Manufacturers Association HMA And Megatech International HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association ignores customer and fails to address its dishonest manufacturer member, Megatech International. Butler New Jersey

  • Reported By:
    Kansas City Missouri
  • Submitted:
    Fri, December 05, 2008
  • Updated:
    Fri, June 05, 2009
  • Hobby Manufacturers Association HMA
    P. O. Box 315
    Butler, New Jersey
    U.S.A.
  • Phone:
    973-2839088
  • Category:

This Ripoff Report is about a large toy industry association that brushes off and ignores a problem a father had brought to its attention regarding a child's birthday and Christmas being ruined. A big problem regarding one of its members. A problem where its member completely goes against the spirit of the association's business practices and good general customer service conduct.
This Ripoff Report is about a simple call for help to an association of toy manufacturers. An association of manufacturers that makes items to make children happy. An organization at the top of the pile, helping their member manufacturers make each child's toy and present special. An organization with major contacts with all its fee paying members.
This Ripoff Report is about a child that has a problem with a toy product. Shoddy products that didn't work, TWICE, and a manufacturer that seems to do everything against living up to its product description, its agreements and simple common sense, even through the BBB, and by ignoring the Ripoff Report.
This Ripoff Report is about taking the child's problem to the right place. A place that should react to this problem with their own member that works in ways opposite to the spirit of the association. A association that can easily check its member directory and talk to the company. It's about an organization that should provide help and should want to help to ensure the quality of its membership is high and the organization of members is well regarded. It's not really about being a "Good Samaritan" as such, as the organization should act based on requiring good business practice from members and simple common sense.

It is a huge Ripoff that this association has not contacted Megatech International regarding this child's problem, letting them know they are flagrantly acting in dishonest ways that the HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association and the association members should not approve of.

If it is this easy for the staff of a toy association to brush off and ignore a child's problem like this, I hate to think what this toy association is assisting these manufactures towards on other important matters.

This association of manufacturers needs to understand that I took this problem directly to the MANUFACTURER. I didn't take it to the retailer. I took the problem to Megatech International, your member, the MANUFACTURER, for what anyone would expect to be apologetic, swift resolution that excels, to show the customer it cares deeply about the customer experience. That it cares about the products it provides its retailers. That it cares about the reputation it generates for a retailer and the reputation it generates at your association level and the toy industry in general.


The details of the terrible problem going on with Megatech International, an RC toy model manufacturer is listed here.
See Ripoff Report: #345723 at this link:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/345/RipOff0345723.htm

I had failed to solve the problem with Megatech themselves and failed even worse with the BBB (useless!), so I'm now using Ripoff Report. I decided to contact HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association, an association of toy manufacturers. I was sure they would solve the problem very quickly, especially when they have Megatech International as a fee paying member and their phone number close at hand. I was sure they would not want to see a child go through the anniversary of their birthday and remain without the prior year's birthday present all because of their member's extremely bad business practices. I was sure HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association would not want this manufacturer bringing their association of many other members and the entire toy industry into disrepute.

I contacted the HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association (see the letter I list after my complaint to HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association).
They did not reply.
I contacted them a total of 6 times increasing the number of HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association staff I sent the letter to. Nancy Dann, Pat Koziol, Jodi Araujo and others.
Nobody from the HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association has replied at all.
I have been completely ignored.

Before I sent the letter to the HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association I had already wondered what their response might be like considering, according to Hobby Merchandiser 2002, "Megatech President Peter Winston is running for a seat on the RCHTA board of directors.". I have no idea if he was elected, but as the RCHTA Radio Control Hobby Trade Association (and Ihobby Expo or Ihobbyexpo, Ihobbyexpo.com) merged into the HMA, the collective organization should know of Mr. Peter Winston of Megatech International their member on their member web page:
http://www.hmahobby.org/dorel/searchdetail.php?cid=164

To me, this makes it even more interesting that the HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association has absolutely and completely ignored my letters.


Megatech is a HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association member. Here are their details:

Megatech International Incorporated
8300 Tonnelle Ave
North Bergen, New Jersey, 07047
U.S.A.
Contacts: Owner President Peter Winston, VP. David Deans, Jon Lodato / John Lodato, Tony Williams



Although HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association isn't going above and beyond to help the situation, the fact that the HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association should strive for reputable members happens to conflict with its lack of action. The HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association should not be promoting manufacturer members that do not work to good business practices, conduct and honesty.

To the HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association my issue is just another simple bad product issue from a HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association promoted member using extremely bad business practices, and the issue I brought to HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association is not worth their time.

HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association likely values the effect a Product Safety issue can have on a child, but is not interested in the effect a bad product and bad company practices can have on a child. A child with a birthday present that didn't work, its replacement failed on Christmas day (both duds right out of the box), a 90 day warranty eaten up when the child never even had a working product, compensation promised and then denied and compensation issued again but removed when the child goes through what was expected to be trustworthy mediation via the BBB (but wasn't) and totally ignored when taken for real mediation at Ripoff Report. A young child without a birthday present for 1 full year. Countless hours and thousands of dollars worth of administration to try make the problem right. HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association is not interested in how this, done by their member, affects a child.

Ignoring a customer that showed you a bad product isn't doing anything to increase product safety. Ignoring a customer that showed you very bad business practices and a very bad product by one of your members, Megatech International, isn't doing the industry any good, yourselves any good. It shows that HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association is not really interested in its members good businesses practices and the use of them in the industry.

If fact it would be grossly unfair to other fee paying members that work in honest ways for this member to take advantage of the member associate benefits while working in less than honest ways to gain an advantage.

HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association, this is very poor. I would hope you are supposed to be an organization representing member manufacturers. I would hope the collective manufacturers would all generate "GOOD" in the industry. By ignoring us and brushing off the problem thereby defending Megatech International, your member, you bring down the value of your organization and the value of the other member manufacturers in it. By defending your member Megatech International by doing nothing for our dire situation, you are saying their bad ways are acceptable for members of your association of toy manufacturers. This removes any aura of trust in the HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association and this in turn lowers our trust in other manufacturer associates of your toy manufacturer organization. I find it startling the HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association chooses to ignore the situation my young child is in.

I contacted HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association to help assure my child wouldn't be without a birthday present for an entire year. HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association unfortunately did allow this to happen, making no effort to try to ensure Megatech did not allow this to happen.

I expect you to revisit my issue, and to do much better than you have done for this situation that we took precious time and effort to outline to you recently in the letter we sent. I expect you to address Megatech International's conduct in this issue. As the anniversary of the child's birthday has gone by, Christmas is the new target. HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association, you can help.



The original letter I sent to HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association:

November 5th, 2008


Hobby Manufacturers Association
P. O. Box 315
Butler, NJ 07405-0315

Dear Sir or Madam at HMA,

Please forward this to the person (immediately available) in your organization that is interested in the quality of the members (or potential members) and has the ability to discuss issues with the highest level staff at those companies.

I have had a problem with a Toy / Hobby manufacturer / retailer for close to a year and I hope you will assist me with the problem.

The company is:

President: Peter Winston.

Megatech International Incorporated
8300 Tonnelle Ave
North Bergen, New Jersey, 07047
U.S.A.
Phone: 888-634 2911
Fax: 201-662 1450

The problem is about a purchase of a helium fill Megatech radio controlled RC Airship 1 and Area 51 Blimp combo as the main birthday present for my child, and the horrific problems with taking the Megatech blimp problems to the manufacturer.

The product failed on my child's mid Nov 2007 birthday. Birthday ruined. Mr. Lodato and I resolved a problem but discovered another. Megatech's Mr. Lodato made an agreement to compensate us. Megatech stalled the replacement shipment process, but I was eventually able to return the product. The process seemed stalled again. When phoned Megatech said it was in service and was not being shipped. A few days later it arrived on Christmas eve. When opened, it didn't work (it had been sealed double verified as working), and what wasn't working was obvious that it couldn't have worked. In addition to that there was another major problem in it too. Christmas day ruined. To add even more, it wasn't a complete package, and in addition to that they hadn't sent the compensation. Megatech wouldn't reply to us, so I e-mailed again on January 8th 2008. A head repair person phoned us to say our links with Mr. Lodato were removed, the compensation agreement was being removed and I was to pay shipping myself to return the product. I suggested I would take the matter outside Megatech. The conversation then changed and he went to discuss it with Mr. Lodato. Mr. Lodato phoned later in the day, but announced it was a "recorded" conference with his team present. Mr. Lodato said the repair head's call was a mistake and Mr. Lodato in a lengthy call made increasing offers even though I had told him at the beginning of the call I didn't want to spend any time talking about it. The offers increased to an almost acceptable level, but the main thing was that I could not trust them. From then on I decided I could only make agreements with Megatech by working through an independent mediator. I took them to the Trenton, New Jersey BBB for mediation, but Megatech did not work with us the customers. They knew how the BBB worked and bullied their new lesser, un-agreed upon resolution on us. They knew that by simply doing that it would gain them automatic acceptable BBB status. The BBB has to provide it if the manufacturer does anything, even if it doesn't seem right to the BBB assistants.

At this point I had a birthday child that had been without a birthday present for about 1/3 of a year. The child's birthday ruined. The child's Christmas day ruined. I'd been through problems with Megatech. I'd processed all the information through the BBB. All of this, generating something very bad and misleading to other consumers, "a GOOD BBB record" for Megatech. I'd improved how they looked One additional good statistic for them!

Obviously I wasn't pleased. I could give up like many people do after being beaten down by businesses that are members of associations (or not), or I could continue on and right this the best way I could.

After a lot of preparation at the end of June I placed my problem with Megatech on the Ripoff Report at ripoffreport.com
Here's the link to it, or you can search for "Megatech" at the ripoffreport.com web site. It is Report: #345723

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/345/RipOff0345723.htm

This report is what you should read to understand the full details of the problem (what I'm writing to you is just a brief list, there is a lot more to it, warranty scam etc). I have tried to contact Megatech several times but they have totally ignored the Ripoff Report.

Ripoff Report is not a nice place to be. Companies should not strive to be there, but Megatech is taking the option to weather it out. To stay put and try to ignore its problems. The Ripoff Report staff warn companies to stay away from Ripoff Report and solve any problems properly and immediately. There will always be those that try to ignore the warnings, but Ripoff Report is the consumer problem reporting service with the biggest impact. Little escapes its wrath.

I understand that your association represents the toy / hobby industry. I expect you do all you can to help toy companies to achieve the best they can for their customers. Your association strives to represent an association with the good toy companies of America. Your association becomes tarnished whenever it becomes associated with the bad businesses in America, and that isn't good, even when bad businesses may be paying you fees.

In the next few weeks it will be the anniversary of my child being without a birthday present.
Whether or not you represent Megatech, you serve the industry they are in. I and my child are in a terrible position because of this company in your industry. It is madness for the company to try to ignore the problem, especially when I have asked for the same general resolution throughout (bar a 1 day attempt to try budge them), but their idiotic attempt to ignore the problem has really impacted myself and my child and has since cost us time and thousands of dollars in administration (working with Megatech, the BBB and the Ripoff Report, and now you).

Once you understand the Ripoff Report it is easy to see that this company is not acting in the best interests of the customer. Their contact information is listed above, and you likely have access to it yourselves including the President's name Mr. Peter Winston. I think it is important for your association to contact Megatech to discuss my problem with regard to their reputation in the industry and their association with yourselves.

I do not want my child to be without a birthday present for an entire year. I'd like your association to ensure Megatech does not allow this to happen. I'd like to see something drastically different from Megatech (but still observed by a mediator AND yourselves).

Please reply immediately to let me know who will be handling this.

Blimp flying models
Kansas City, Missouri
U.S.A.

7 Updates & Rebuttals


Blimp Flying Models

Kansas City,
Missouri,
U.S.A.

Megatech airship blimp combo UFO failed not once but twice.

#8Author of original report

Fri, June 05, 2009

...and this shows why nobody should work for a company where they disagree with the bosses, or where a company or bosses are doing wrong. It's really tough to move on, but by staying we make life tough for ourselves and we simply make the world a worse place by allowing/encouraging it to continue.

Ripoff Report is all about whistle blowers and showing the public the bad companies and bosses.

In this Megatech issue, yourself (if you're for real), John Lodato and Tony Williams agreed to go along with it all and represent yourselves as Megatech. That's the big problem for you.
I have to assume these are bogus postings. 2 postings, one against the company, then the next against the consumer. Posted on the HMA report (while it is on hold), not the Megatech report?
Interesting.
Some pro Megatech words for the handling of the situation, before I post my consumer words?
Interesting.
Yourself, John Lodato and Tony Williams do have the option to talk to Ripoff Report's Ed about Megatech, in fact it would be in your interests to if what you write is true. In fact it would be in your interests to take that information to the police too.

A lot of what you write regarding me, the consumer, is wrong.
Compensation was an agreement. The product was not reassembled incorrectly (as already described and proven in Tony's text reply). You said the handset was put back together again and it worked fine but Megatech sent a 'different' handset back. I haven't asked for a complete list of free products I'm not sure what you mean. There was a 2 day period somewhere around the BBB time where I thought they might be inclined to resolve the problem for a compensation product, but I said it was an expiring 2 day offer and it would revert back to what I request now / before. They had the option to ignore it, as they did.

What this father never saw from Megatech was a product that worked.
The father saw the warranty being completely eroded on a product that never worked.
The father wants a new replacement product that works.
The father wants a full warranty on it (we haven't used a product yet), we paid for it.
The father wants the firmly agreed upon compensation.
As Megatech has tried to blame their dud out of the box manufactured product on the father, the father wants a simple agreement for a 'fair' independent official witnessed opening of the package and check of operational functionality. The box containing 1 blimp is still sealed awaiting some 'fair' play from Megatech.
There is a list of odds and ends that were wrong with the very poorly made Megatech International product that also needs replacing, which is most likely what you were referring to.

Only a very mean person or company would say this was a lot. Also consider that this is urgent repairs and compensation for a young child's destroyed birthday and Christmas too.

In cost to Megatech, I think the shipping has cost them more than their costs for the product replacements, full agreed compensation and replacement odds and ends.
Any good/wise business person/company knows the most cost efficient way to do business.

Basically, I think Megatech don't trust their own products and they're scared that I and an independent witness will open the box and find yet another dud.

It's all about doing the right thing. If Megatech International hadn't produced so many dud blimp combo products we wouldn't have had a problem. If they hadn't denied and fought it, it wouldn't have got to this current level of my Ripoff Reporting.


Fshobby

Brooklyn,
New York,
U.S.A.

The truth

#8UPDATE EX-employee responds

Thu, May 28, 2009

Its amazing that you don't ell the truth to what happened. Its always your side.

I am the girl you first spoke with. I am keeping my name out of this. I witnessed the events that occured and what you wrote is not accurate. You called the service department and you demanded we send you a blimp. YOu stated on the phone which was recorded, that you took apart the blimp and did not work. YOu were offered a replacement. When the blimp was received it was assembled wrong by you. When it was put back together correctly it worked fine. THe company sent you a free one anyway and told you that we could not offer you an additional one, because you broke the first one. THey still sent you one and then they sent another one after that. YOu got 2 new blimps. YOu broke the second one again and called up after you took apart again and asked for a complete list of free products. After the company said now you weren't happy. At some point some nice people in the service department tried to be kind and give 2 new ones one last time and you were so selfish and cared zero about your son that you declined the offer. And then you have nerve to be upset because after you declined the offer the company refused to give you anything. You got 2 new blimps on top of what you purchased and then the company was going to give you 2 additional again and you declined because you wanted more. I feel bad for your son. Stop wasting time and be their as a father. It's about him not you. Now he has nothing all because you were selfish. That's really sad. The BBB told that the company gave more then enough and you wanted to take a mile. Well I hope you are satisfied. THis will be my only post. I figured the guys in the service department that you listed went above the call of duty to help you and your son, and you screwed it up so you are blaming the world. The reason your letters to everyone have not been answered is BBB and HMA both know the truth. I have 2 kids so am going to spend some time with them. Why don't you do the same...


Fshobby

Brooklyn,
New York,
U.S.A.

Just some thoughts

#8Consumer Comment

Thu, May 28, 2009

I am going to keep my name out of this. I worked for the company you mentioned for over 8 years. I was let go. I don't disagree with what you are saying, but their are people you mentioned in your report that have nothing to do with it. The tony guy and the loadato guy. Both of those people tried to help you but they were forced by the powers to be to pull back on the offer. They did not have a choice. THat last phone call you got was because, without the powers to be knowing they tried to see if they could help you one last time. The main reason for the change originally was the 2 service people you mentioned got in a lot of trouble for offering what they did. Give the guys a break. A good example of what is going on with the company is the llodatoo guy got let go because he tried to blow the whitsle on the company for making hazardess, dangerous toys, and even toxic toys. WHen he told the company to stop and that he would not have any part in it they canned him. The tony guy was let go after he was diagnosed with cancer. The powers to be that you mentioned on the report did not want help him out or give him insurance so they fired him.

There is so much you don't now. I came across your report and when I read it I kind of felt bad, but I also laughed. YOu have spent so much time fighting this cause, you forgot all about your son. He is whats important. Not all this bull. I remember the lodato guy and the tony guy when I worked their. They did everything for customers and the fact that you through them under the bus without really knowing the truth is not a good human quality. And at this point I would not want anything from a company that sold my son something screwed up especially if they are dangerous. The fact that the service guys offered you so much of all of sudden should have showed they cared. Well hopefully you at least remove their names. They don't deserve it. Well i don't think you will listen to anything I said. Hopefully if have a heart you will give at least the only 2 that actually cared at least the respect to keep them out of it. I can care less on the other people listed. the Company should go under which it is already doing.


Fshobby

Brooklyn,
New York,
U.S.A.

Just some thoughts

#8Consumer Comment

Thu, May 28, 2009

I am going to keep my name out of this. I worked for the company you mentioned for over 8 years. I was let go. I don't disagree with what you are saying, but their are people you mentioned in your report that have nothing to do with it. The tony guy and the loadato guy. Both of those people tried to help you but they were forced by the powers to be to pull back on the offer. They did not have a choice. THat last phone call you got was because, without the powers to be knowing they tried to see if they could help you one last time. The main reason for the change originally was the 2 service people you mentioned got in a lot of trouble for offering what they did. Give the guys a break. A good example of what is going on with the company is the llodatoo guy got let go because he tried to blow the whitsle on the company for making hazardess, dangerous toys, and even toxic toys. WHen he told the company to stop and that he would not have any part in it they canned him. The tony guy was let go after he was diagnosed with cancer. The powers to be that you mentioned on the report did not want help him out or give him insurance so they fired him.

There is so much you don't now. I came across your report and when I read it I kind of felt bad, but I also laughed. YOu have spent so much time fighting this cause, you forgot all about your son. He is whats important. Not all this bull. I remember the lodato guy and the tony guy when I worked their. They did everything for customers and the fact that you through them under the bus without really knowing the truth is not a good human quality. And at this point I would not want anything from a company that sold my son something screwed up especially if they are dangerous. The fact that the service guys offered you so much of all of sudden should have showed they cared. Well hopefully you at least remove their names. They don't deserve it. Well i don't think you will listen to anything I said. Hopefully if have a heart you will give at least the only 2 that actually cared at least the respect to keep them out of it. I can care less on the other people listed. the Company should go under which it is already doing.


Blimp Flying Models

Kansas City,
Missouri,
U.S.A.

Updates will follow - Thank you

#8Author of original report

Thu, February 19, 2009

I've wanted to update this report for some time, but I've had various problems and some more important issues to deal with recently.

I urge any readers to "place on hold" any views they have based on the above prior postings, until they have read updates that will appear below. Thank you.

I do confirm that I still have issues with the HMA Hobby Manufacturers Association which we will address here on Ripoff Report.


and here's a currently working link to the song/song lyrics I posted earlier:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIu2vVQWWNM


Blimp Flying Models

Kansas City,
Missouri,
U.S.A.

I look forward to your response

#8Consumer Comment

Mon, December 08, 2008

I read my last post that contained the song lyrics.
Upon reading the last sentence "Now, get to work!" after posting it (apparently I was in a hurry and didn't re-check it), I can say that wasn't what I wanted to post, or it doesn't read the same way as when it was written (which can often be a problem with text). I apologize if you read it the way I now read it, but I hope you understand what my child and I have had to go through because of Megatech International.

Having said that, there was obvious intent to ask you to work on this problem for my child, please, and having said that, I do have a time frame in mind for that tasks completion. I know the task will require some RR study that shouldn't take long, then looking up Megatech on your contacts list, and then dialing the phone number. You will need to talk to Mr. Peter Winston the owner himself, as the VP and below are all involved in the bad business on this Ripoff Report. Mr. Peter Winston will either be in or out, but he will, if he is a modern businessman, be able to call a business of your stature right back within 24 hours.

I look forward to your response.


Blimp Flying Models

Kansas City,
Missouri,
U.S.A.

It's Christmas time

#8Author of original report

Sat, December 06, 2008

And to get you in the Christmas spirit for helping.

Here's the song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIu2vVQWWNM&feature=PlayList&p=D7AA929D28A063A8&index=34

and here's the lyrics:


It's Christmas Time.

another year's gone rock and rollin' by
oh how time flies
it's funny but it seems like yesterday
i put the blimp away

it's a time we can all look forward to
i like to feel the festive spirit don't you
when you switch on your lights and say

it's christmas time, it's christmas time
stand up stand up against Megatech
and have a talk to Jon Lodato
well it's christmas time, it's christmas time
wake up wake up shake your member up
and the kids presents will be underneath the christmas tree with me

We wanna see the airship in the sun
it's not much fun, tryin' to get it from a crooked Co.
well it ain't gonna be

i'll be roasting Megatech on Ripoff Report
write a note with a lot of hope
and let it roast all the way to HMA

it's christmas time, it's christmas time
stand up stand up against Megatech
and have a talk to Jon Lodato
well it's christmas time, it's christmas time
wake up wake up shake your member up
and the kids presents will be underneath the christmas tree with me

it's a time we can all look forward to
i'd like to feel the festive spirit of you
when you switch on your lights and say

it's christmas time, it's christmas time
stand up stand up against Megatech
and have a talk to Jon Lodato
well it's christmas time, it's christmas time
wake up wake up shake your member up
and the kids presents will be underneath the christmas tree with me

oh it's christmas time
...


Now, get to work!

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