Complaint Review: Horizon Marketing

I don't understand all of you negative people. I have been in the biz for 3 weeks and I am a totally different person. I want to go to work. I have friends now. I make decent money...and I have to opportunity to open my own office to support a charity of my choice. Having a special needs child...that is d**n good news to me.

Plus I can do all of this with no Degree...sorry you a**hole wasted $30,000 plus on a piece of paper. You can wash my car for me...don't forget the FW1!!! JUICE.

First of all... i look at this business like a sport. I learned everything i know about respect, and responsibility from my hockey coach... he taught me discipline and to never give up. If it wasnt for him i would be working in a factory right now. I do the same with my guys, i teach them about working hard and dedication. If a person obviously doesny get the biz and isnt making money ill ask him to leave, it isnt right to keep a guy around just to pay bills, at least not in my mind.

Second if i was misleading in my interviews and observations how could i recruit people... of course i dont tell them every little thing, i dont have time for a hour with each applicant because like you said there is a high turnover. I have never had an issue with my newspaper or internet sites because i dont generate complaints, i try to be fair and honest.

I really dont have to defend myself to anyone, but im just telling you in every business there are good people and bad people, Innovage has both. If people want to try it, they should. If they dont they shouldnt. I just dont like all the hateful things peolpe say in this forum... they call the business evil, but whos the one hating on an entire company because of their misfortune with 1 owner.

Jaye...

It is understood that your reps are free to go when ever they want. You don't have them physicly confined, yet you have them mentally tied to you. You get them to give them your goals and lead them to believe that door to door sales and team building is their ticket to achieving all everything they ever could want. Then it it becomes like giving up on the business goals is like giving up on themselves.

Yet you and I both know how hard big the turn over rate is, how many offices fail.

I won't deny the fact that you taught some people to sell. But how did you get them in to your door in the first place? How misleading was the add? How misleading was the day of observation? How many of your days of observations leave during the day? How often have you been threatened to have your advertising stopped?

How many people that decided to trust in you would have been much better off working in fast food making at least minimum wage? Yet you kept them on because you needed some bills paid.

Come on Jaye. There are countless reports filed about cydcor, ds-max, cobra, ipg and all the rest. You say your business is clean and that you run it. You are choosing not to acknowlegde all the corruption that goes on because they just have you focused on what they want you to be focusing on. You have some say in it but we both know how much of hand the big guys have in it. We know about the long conference calls, the visiting senior national consultants and all the rest.

No, I don't think you are stupid Jaye. Just misled and now you are misleading others. If you have money in head office I hope you take your money out and quit while you are ahead.

Todd you have done your homework, but im still not convinced. Im not stupid... i know the powers that be guide me, but i really didnt know anything before this job.

All im saying is that you can spout as much negative junk as you want about the biz, but im telling you each office is run by a person not a policy, i run a good business. Its clean, and honest.

Sure theres lots of negative things written here about the job, but what about the kid i took from working at burger king, became his buddy, and taught him how to be self conident... he left the business, i didnt stop him and now hes on of the most recognized car salesmen in town at 19 years old. he learned it in the biz, plus he made d**n good money in the field.

things change

I think that the problem the original poster had was that he did have an open mind and that people like you took advantage of him. Your organization is very good at getting naive job applicants to go broke in your marketing system. You are also very good at taking no responsibility for your actions. This man lost his home and almost everything he owned. Yet you have written him off as a whiner and proclaim how good your organization is.

In response to your 3 points:

1) You deceive distributers in your advertizing to get them to go on a day of observation. The managers and leaders mislead job applicants in to thinking that they will make money if they work hard. You make it sound like it is macho to be a commissioned door to door rep and that people who arn't like you not as good as you.

2) Your organization has many cult like tendencies. You have your own jargon, you work feverishly long hours for little or no pay, you chant, your authority figures are almost laws unto them selves, you isolate your sales reps from their friends and family, you have a we - they mentality and any dissent is discouraged and put down.

3) It is wrong to compare your selves to entrepreneurial, thinking, innovative business owners. Innovage and the powers that be really own the business. They control what you buy, how you pay, where you put your money, what you say... An entrepreneur is something that thinks up a new idea or concept and starts a business to promote it. You all don't think of anything new - you are handed your goals and thrown out there. You give all your reps a warped carrot and stick world view of how your opportunity supposedly works. These kids get sucked in to your belief system and then think nothing else is more important than accomplishing the goals that you want to accomplish. You get them to think that they came up with the goals on their own.

Good luck to you Bobbie in BC.

I think that the problem the original poster had was that he did have an open mind and that people like you took advantage of him. Your organization is very good at getting naive job applicants to go broke in your marketing system. You are also very good at taking no responsibility for your actions. This man lost his home and almost everything he owned. Yet you have written him off as a whiner and proclaim how good your organization is.

In response to your 3 points:

1) You deceive distributers in your advertizing to get them to go on a day of observation. The managers and leaders mislead job applicants in to thinking that they will make money if they work hard. You make it sound like it is macho to be a commissioned door to door rep and that people who arn't like you not as good as you.

2) Your organization has many cult like tendencies. You have your own jargon, you work feverishly long hours for little or no pay, you chant, your authority figures are almost laws unto them selves, you isolate your sales reps from their friends and family, you have a we - they mentality and any dissent is discouraged and put down.

3) It is wrong to compare your selves to entrepreneurial, thinking, innovative business owners. Innovage and the powers that be really own the business. They control what you buy, how you pay, where you put your money, what you say... An entrepreneur is something that thinks up a new idea or concept and starts a business to promote it. You all don't think of anything new - you are handed your goals and thrown out there. You give all your reps a warped carrot and stick world view of how your opportunity supposedly works. These kids get sucked in to your belief system and then think nothing else is more important than accomplishing the goals that you want to accomplish. You get them to think that they came up with the goals on their own.

Good luck to you Bobbie in BC.

I think that the problem the original poster had was that he did have an open mind and that people like you took advantage of him. Your organization is very good at getting naive job applicants to go broke in your marketing system. You are also very good at taking no responsibility for your actions. This man lost his home and almost everything he owned. Yet you have written him off as a whiner and proclaim how good your organization is.

In response to your 3 points:

1) You deceive distributers in your advertizing to get them to go on a day of observation. The managers and leaders mislead job applicants in to thinking that they will make money if they work hard. You make it sound like it is macho to be a commissioned door to door rep and that people who arn't like you not as good as you.

2) Your organization has many cult like tendencies. You have your own jargon, you work feverishly long hours for little or no pay, you chant, your authority figures are almost laws unto them selves, you isolate your sales reps from their friends and family, you have a we - they mentality and any dissent is discouraged and put down.

3) It is wrong to compare your selves to entrepreneurial, thinking, innovative business owners. Innovage and the powers that be really own the business. They control what you buy, how you pay, where you put your money, what you say... An entrepreneur is something that thinks up a new idea or concept and starts a business to promote it. You all don't think of anything new - you are handed your goals and thrown out there. You give all your reps a warped carrot and stick world view of how your opportunity supposedly works. These kids get sucked in to your belief system and then think nothing else is more important than accomplishing the goals that you want to accomplish. You get them to think that they came up with the goals on their own.

Good luck to you Bobbie in BC.

I think that the problem the original poster had was that he did have an open mind and that people like you took advantage of him. Your organization is very good at getting naive job applicants to go broke in your marketing system. You are also very good at taking no responsibility for your actions. This man lost his home and almost everything he owned. Yet you have written him off as a whiner and proclaim how good your organization is.

In response to your 3 points:

1) You deceive distributers in your advertizing to get them to go on a day of observation. The managers and leaders mislead job applicants in to thinking that they will make money if they work hard. You make it sound like it is macho to be a commissioned door to door rep and that people who arn't like you not as good as you.

2) Your organization has many cult like tendencies. You have your own jargon, you work feverishly long hours for little or no pay, you chant, your authority figures are almost laws unto them selves, you isolate your sales reps from their friends and family, you have a we - they mentality and any dissent is discouraged and put down.

3) It is wrong to compare your selves to entrepreneurial, thinking, innovative business owners. Innovage and the powers that be really own the business. They control what you buy, how you pay, where you put your money, what you say... An entrepreneur is something that thinks up a new idea or concept and starts a business to promote it. You all don't think of anything new - you are handed your goals and thrown out there. You give all your reps a warped carrot and stick world view of how your opportunity supposedly works. These kids get sucked in to your belief system and then think nothing else is more important than accomplishing the goals that you want to accomplish. You get them to think that they came up with the goals on their own.

Good luck to you Bobbie in BC.

I am a part of Innovage. I own my own business, and am in no way connected to other companies within the Innovage circle, I have my own Incorporation. Most of the things people say about Innovage do not apply to me, but because i have taken advantage of Innovages ability to give me great merchandise at great prices, my character is smeared by people who had bad experiences with other similar companies.

1. Before a Distributor sells a piece of merchandise it is explained to him/her that they get paid for what they sell, and that its their choice to proceed. If they chose to go forward they take an entrepeneurial leap. Theres nothing wrong with taking a risk to go into business for yourself.

2. Just because we build great relationships with our guys, people call us a cult. This is wrong. we dont worship a shrine, were like war buddies, we go through a lot together, and our experiences bring us closer, is that so wrong?

3. Everyone who gets involved has a choice. They can ask questions, they can formulate their own opinions, and they dont have to ever come back if they do not like what they see. Ask anyone who runs a business... its hard and most dont make it, but those who do are proud, and earn every single dollar. If they dont make it maybe it wasnt for them, or maybe they used the wrong approach. Either way its everyones choice to do what they want to do, and if they choose wrong why blame the person who offered them the opportunity. Take responsibility for your choices and learn from them

Stop hating so much, and start learning, that way we can all move forward.

Thats all i got, hope you can understand

Sincerely,
A GUY WHO MADE A CHOICE