Complaint Review: Humana

How is my gender even pertinent to this report?

You would seriously make fun of someone for either:

A) being a male with a name that is typically female? That's great, considering said male has no control over what they are named. I thought people stopped that sort of juvinile behavior in grade school?

or

B) being a genuine "carpet-muncher" ? Because making fun of someone for being a l*****n is worthwhile? I guess you often make fun of homosexuals because of their sexual preference?

None of this has to do with the OP and his issues.

Dear Ken,

In response to your last post, did you ever think that my last name is "Law"? Hardly anything arrogant about using it as part of a handle, as far as I'm concerned.

Pro tip: think before you speak.

Actually, ASHLEY was a masculine name long before becoming a common feminine name, eg. Lord Ashley Cooper, Ashley Wilkes, etc.  However you do raise an interesting point of gender here.

yours is just one of your annoying, belittling posts having NOTHING to do with the report....see the difference....thought not.

The genuine jackass here is someone calling themselves "law."

"Irony, thy name is Ashley.AUTHOR: I am the law - Chicago (USA)SUBMITTED: Thursday, April 12, 2012POSTED: Thursday, April 12, 2012

Whoa! Had to stop back here! You're name is Ashley and your spouse is a "she". So, that means either:

A: You're a man, and you have a girly name. or

B: We've got ourselves a genuine carpet muncher.

Either way, Ashley, I find it sort of ironic that you're badgering the OP about his bad career move when there's obviously something we could make fun of you for."

You posted that you got your unemployment benefits. Okay good for you. However, you also posted that you had started a new job. Not the one you left Humana for but a new job. If you're working at this new job how exactly are you eligible foe unemployment? Those benefits are for when you are not working. By your posts your working and claiming unemployment. And you were concerned about possibly lying on your application? If you are working and claiming benefits, you're more likely to go to jail WHEN caught that you are if you lie on your application.

Whoa! Had to stop back here! You're name is Ashley and your spouse is a "she". So, that means either:

A: You're a man, and you have a girly name. or

B: We've got ourselves a genuine carpet muncher.

Either way, Ashley, I find it sort of ironic that you're badgering the OP about his bad career move when there's obviously something we could make fun of you for.

My spouse works for United Health care and has for 6 years now. There is mandatory overtime at her work and they can't hire enough people. So, I don't see a slow down in the health insurance industry at all. Try again. Your story is so full of holes, robert's absolutely right in questioning your story.

Plain and simple, you voluntarily quit your job. You weren't laid off. You weren't forced out. Your hours were not cut (yet). You quit for greener pastures and found out the new company was a bad company. You tried to go back and surprise Humana said no thanks. Then you tried to rip them off for unemployment because of a string of bad decisions you made. Now you want us to believe that you collected both unemployment and found a job in that time all while moving to New jersey. Sounds pretty far fetched to me.

What bug crawled up your butt, Robert? I don't care if you don't believe me when I said that I actually got my unemployment benefits. Who are you to call me a liar? You weren't on the phone. You weren't checking my mail or my bank account. I don't feel like I should have to prove every little thing that I say. It's your immature hang up if you are that mistrustful of other people. 

By the way, if you had taken the time to actually read the title of my report, you would have noticed that it says, "Humana drags their feet and deliberately lies about my employment.. Cincinnati, Ohio". Wouldn't that tell you that at the time I was working in Ohio? People can move to other cities, you know. Please try to pay attention.

Also, I'm willing to bet that you don't currently work for or have ever worked for a health insurance company. So, that being the case, you don't understand what's going on in that industry with people losing their jobs by the hundreds because of health care reform. Why don't you search for "layoffs at health insurance companies" on Google and see what comes up? I would post some web addresses here, but I think ripoffreport deletes them. After reading some of that material, if you still don't feel like people in those jobs are in serious danger of unemployment and that their companies are suffering from work slowdowns, well, you're just an idiot.

In summation, Robert, you are trying to butt in on a subject you have absolutely no first hand or professional knowledge of. Your juvenile tirades and comments are making you look dumb, so you might want to stop.  

Just to put this to bed, I actually did end up getting my unemployment.
- Really?  Why does that seem not really likely? 

You really want us to believe that as of April 2nd you gave no indication of getting your benefits, and you already had another job.  So then in the last week you decided to speak to them about the benefits and by some miracle the agency now agrees with you?  Or did you just think that piece of information wasn't really important?

I spoke to at the Ohio unemployment office (for your information, I lived near Cincinnati at the time, Ashley)
- Your post states you are from NJ, and you never gave any indication that you were talking about trying to get unemployment from any other state.

Humana workers applying for benefits and they were aware that people in the health insurance industry were being laid off or forced to quit in record numbers.
- You were not laid off and gave zero indication that they were forcing you to quit.

She also went on to say that certain companies had a reputation for trying to make their ex-employees look bad on unemployment claims; Humana being notorious for that.
- Oh really?  In your case you quit, there was no indication that you were being forced out, and only when they didn't want to hire you back did they become an "evil" company.  After all if they were so bad why would you even think of going back to them in the first place?

    I wasn't aware that this argument was going to get so out of hand. Imagine my surprise when I logged into my email and saw all of these notifications about this thread.

    Just to put this to bed, I actually did end up getting my unemployment. One of the representatives I spoke to at the Ohio unemployment office (for your information, I lived near Cincinnati at the time, Ashley) said that they were seeing a lot of Humana workers applying for benefits and they were aware that people in the health insurance industry were being laid off or forced to quit in record numbers. She also went on to say that certain companies had a reputation for trying to make their ex-employees look bad on unemployment claims; Humana being notorious for that. I guess I'm not the only person they tried screwing over.    

    Thank you to the people who have supported and encouraged me through that trying time. And for you c |_|nts who got off on my misfortune, when you lose your job, please post something about it so we can gang up on you and make you feel even worse.

It got so bad without your input here that I borrowed a couple of 3 year olds to post rebuttals for you.NOBODY knew you were even gone..From your God like attitude, I would have bet your were a sleaze bag lawyer instead of what you claim.

I'd like to welcome you back, but I'd barf on my keyboard.

The OP never alludes to having tried to work his issues out with Humana. He simply decided he ought to quit because maybe they would fire him down the road.

Merely getting less work passed to him in the course of the normal workday is irrelevant. If his hours and pay were not slashed, it's neither here nor there.

Without showing some effort to address his concerns with Humana before he left, he's left with no justification for the benefits. Even according to the Ohio statue you pasted, as though it somehow backed the OP up, which it clearly does NOT!

He made a bet. He lost. Humana is not at fault.

The OP lives/works in New Jersey:

"If you voluntarily quit your job without "good cause connected with the work," or if you voluntarily retire, you may be disqualified for benefits.  "Good cause connected with the work," means that your reason for leaving must be directly related to your job and be so compelling that you had no choice but to leave the job.  For example, a person quits work to move out of the area.  While this is a good personal reason to quit, the reason for quitting is not connected with the work and the person would be disqualified.

There are exceptions to this disqualification.  One exception may apply when the separation was related to or due to domestic violence.  Another exception may apply when a spouse or civil union partner of an active military member leaves work to move with the military member who is transferred outside of the state.

If you quit your job, or if you voluntarily retire, you will be scheduled for a claims examiner interview.  The examiner may request certain documentation as supporting evidence of your separation.  The examiner will determine if you are entitled to benefits based on unemployment insurance laws and regulations.

To remove a disqualification for voluntary leaving, you must return to work for at least 8 weeks, earn at least 10 times your weekly benefit rate, and then become unemployed through no fault of your own.  The new work must be in employment covered under the unemployment compensation law. "

Now, you and I will probably disagree over whether his circumstances were so compelling that he had to leave his job. I don't believe they were, and clearly when he was denied his benefits the system didn't think it so compelling either.

Ohio law is unimportant. That's just where the Humana HQ is.

Enough said.

Robert, Ashley, and Voice of Reason,

Didn't get enough of a thrashing in my last post, huh? Ok, no problem, I've got some time to kill.

You idiots keep going on and on about how the OP "left Humana on his own free will". Ok, I will grant you that he wasn't fired or laid off, but circumstances were such that he thought it was best to leave. Thanks to your moron president and the abomination known as Health Care Reform, jobs at health insurance companies are getting slashed by the thousands. Can you blame him for leaving? So, no, I don't consider this situation "leaving on your own free will".

Second, I would highly advise researching things before you act like an authority on them. You can get unemployment benefits even in you leave your job. It looks like you wanted some proof from the website; so here you go... (It's a little staggered from the copy and paste function, but I believe this is what you were looking for. Skip right to the underlined section; the rest of this text is not relevant.)

Can I get Unemployment Insurance if I quit my job?

 If you quit your job and you want Unemployment Insurance (UI), you must have had a good reason for quitting. There are two kinds of reasons the Division of Unemployment Assistance (DUA) accepts:

1. Serious employer-related reasons, called "good cause attributable to the  employing unit," or 2. Serious or important personal reasons, called "urgent, compelling or   necessitous reasons." If you left work for one of these reasons, then it was not your fault.. But, you need to show that you tried to solve the problem before you left. Or, you need to show there was nothing you could do that would work. You do not need to show anything if you needed to leave work because of domestic violence or sexual harassment. You can only get unemployment benefits if you quit your job for reasons like these:

Examples of job-related reasons Unsafe or unhealthy working conditions, including dangerous working conditions or equipment;

A transfer to unsuitable work (a different kind of job that is not right for you); An employer changes the job, such as giving you fewer hours (so you are not full -time anymore), paying you less than before,  or not paying you the minimum
wage. The change must be permanent, not just for a short time; or Unlawful discrimination or harassment, including sexual, racial, or other unreasonable harassment.

Reasons like these are called "good cause attributable to the employer."

Examples of personal reasons Your own declining health, Union rules,  In very limited cases, a lack of transportation,
Leaving to care for a sick family member, Domestic violence, or Leaving to take care of unexpected and urgent problems with the child care arrangements you have been using.

Reasons like these are called "urgent, compelling or necessitous reasons" for leaving work. 1 Note In almost every case, you must try to solve problems with your employer before you quit your job. Even if you have a good reason to quit, you must show that quitting work was your last choice.

If you leave work for personal reasons, you must ask for a leave of absence so that you can take care of your personal issues and keep your job. You may not be able to fix the problem or get a leave of absence, but it is important to
try.

If you need to quit because of domestic violence or sexual harassment, you do not have to show anything. These are reason enough. You do not have to show that you tried everything you could to keep your job.

Example You were transferred to a night shift. You had no child care, and no other shifts were available. You could prove that you tried to solve the problem. The DUA looks into your past actions and your employers past actions to figure out
if you should get unemployment benefits.

Did you leave your job voluntarily? Sometimes workers do not want to leave their jobs but they feel that they have to quit. In this situation, it may still be possible to get unemployment benefits. 

You may be able to get unemployment benefits if you left your job because you believed that you were about to be fired; or you quit after your boss gave you the choice of quitting or being fired.

You may need to show that you tried to fix any problems you had with your job or your employer before you left.

Oh my, look! Another underlined section proving that you guys have the collective intelligence of a stale Pop-Tart. I await your humble apologies.....

Also, in my last response, I posted text from the Ohio unemployment website showing that they do prosecute people that intentionally lie on their forms. You ask why the OP isn't in jail? You got me. Maybe a review of his case showed he was actually telling the truth. Or maybe they don't care like you said. Who knows? Why are you asking me, you fools? I'm not personal friends with the OP; go ask him. 

And finally, yes, you guys are making fun of him simply for making a bad career move. You seriously think that typing in all caps and calling someone "stupid" and an "arrogant POS" isn't making fun of him? You need to grow up. I sincerely hope that something bad happens to you three in the future sometime and that there's some insensitive jerk around to kick you while you're down. Maybe then you'll see what "arrogant POS's" you were.

Its unimportant whether there is a work slow down or any of the other things you mention I Am The Law.

The important part of this: HE QUIT HIS JOB. Then he wants to get UNEMPLOYMENT. You don't QUIT your job and then COLLECT unemployment. That's not how it works. he's on here complaining about Humana working to deny his unemployment. They SHOULD deny his unemployment. He made the conscious decision to QUIT a job and when that decision didn't work out, he wanted Humana to pay him unemployment because he screwed up.

Let me address a few of your points...

And, to add insult to injury, we've got some callous chumps making fun of him
- Please point out where I am "making fun of him". 

The OP is 100% correct in saying that there was a work slow down at Humana
- Reread what I said..I said I believe the OP.  But that was not the complaint.  They left of their own free will for another job.  Good idea or not..they were NOT laid off or fired.  Now, if you can come here and post proof that leaving a position of your own free will based on your perceptions qualifies you for Unemployment I will modify my statement

Now for you, Robert, you go right ahead on lie on those unemployment forms since you're so confident that no one would ever land themselves in jail by doing so.
-  Did I say that I would lie, or suggest that anyone else lie...NOPE you won't find that anywhere.  They are actually the one who brought up jail, and what you will find is an explanation based on THEIR situation. 

So slow down a bit and follow me here. Regardless of what ever side is true, here are two facts that have not been disputed.   They wrote that they left because of a lack of work.  Humana countered that that was not true.

Okay stay with me.  Since they were denied benefits, then the unemployment office must have determined the OP's statement to be a lie.  After all if they felt that that OP was telling the truth they would not have denied the benefits.

Still with me...Since we are at this point, by your logic since the OP lied they are going to be prosecuted and end up in jail.  Yet the OP is here freely posting without any indication that they are on their way to the county lockup.  The only way in your logic that they would be free is that if they didn't lie, but if they didn't lie then the Unemployment office wouldn't have denied the benefits.

So can you explain this? 

Well let me help you out.  I am not saying that certain lies won't get you in trouble.  I am sure that if you put down false identification, or outright lie about your previous work you may be in some trouble.  But in the grand scheme of things what amounts to a difference of opinion is not going to get a rise out of the Unemployment office..they got too much other things to do.

Finally after months of internet trouble; I'm back! And I know you all missed me!

Well, let me jump back into the game by getting in on the action here.

In the past, I've been accused of being, oh shall we say, "mean" and "abrasive" on ROR, but it looks like I have some competition now. From what I'm seeing, we've got some poor sap that quit his job at Humana for fear of getting laid off and the new one didn't exactly pan out. And, to add insult to injury, we've got some callous chumps making fun of him. Well, I've always had a flare for taking up for the underdog, so here it goes....

1. Robert, Ashley, and Voice Of Reason: I've been the Director of a billing/collection department in a major Chicago hospital for about fourteen years. Needless to say, I talk to various people at Humana constantly. The OP is 100% correct in saying that there was a work slow down at Humana. In fact, all of the major health insurers had a tremendous slow down in business thanks to the uber-liberal moron you know as the President. Certain provisions in the Health Care Reform Bill force insurance companies to spend at least 85% of their profit on presented claims WHETHER THEY EVEN GET ENOUGH LEGITIMATE CLAIMS SENT TO THEM OR NOT. Thus, insurance companies are financially cutting back anyway they can; oftentimes at the expense of their workers. That being said, can you blame this person for what he did? Certainly not. I would've done the same thing. 

  2. Now for you, Robert, you go right ahead on lie on those unemployment forms since you're so confident that no one would ever land themselves in jail by doing so. But, before you end up being some skinhead's "special shower friend", here's a little tidbit that I copied directly from the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services website... 

STATE CRACKS DOWN ON CHEATERS The Ohio Department of Job and Family Services wants jobless Ohioans to get every penny of unemployment compensation they deserve but has no tolerance for those who attempt to defraud the system. The departments Benefit Payment Control (BPC) section is responsible for investigating unemployment compensation fraud and improper payments and for preventing fraud before it occurs. Ohio's BPC is one of the most active groups of its kind in the nation. Those who flagrantly commit fraud are criminally prosecuted. All convictions require full repayment of unlawfully obtained benefits and may result in probation or possible jail time.

Well, gee whiz, look at that underlined part; it looks like you're wrong, my friend. Why on Earth would you think that defrauding the state would not result in jail time? You must have a heck of a lawyer.

3. As for the OP suddenly not "being qualified to work at Humana" anymore, I seriously doubt that he would've lost all of the knowledge and talents that he gained at Humana in roughly four months. Center, as far as I'm concerned, they probably just made up any reason to not take you back so they wouldn't have to pay another worker, or so they could replace you with someone for way less money. (Outsourcing maybe???)

...In closing, I want to say that I'm glad that you got another job, Center. After all, these days it's easy to end up on the street after you lose a job. Don't pay attention to any of these hateful feebs. They're probably a bunch of pampered momma's boys that never actually worked a day in their lives.

You have one ugly, stupid arrogant attitude.
I'm sure you'll last real long in your new, third job in 7 months.
This is a public forum, you pubic membrane. GOT IT?
And anyone else here may comment as they see fit to anything you post. GOT IT?
YOU had no right to claim lack of work at Humana in applying for unemployment from your second job loss.
YOU made a stupid-a*s decision to leave Humana, thinking you were so smart you'd preemptively strike before they axed you.
Had you simply stayed until the ax fell, you'd have had your benefits without a problem.
They were entitled to judge your qualification by new standards when you reapplied. Maybe whatever your old qualifications were no longer met what they sought going forward with new hires.
You messed up. No ripoff. And you're an arrogant POS to boot.

You did not leave Humana because of a work slow down. You gave them two weeks notice because you got a job elsewhere. When that job didn't work out, you wanted unemployment from humana. Why should Humana pay unemployment to an employee that voluntarily quit their company? Whether or not there is enough work is unimportant. What IS important is the FACT that you gave two weeks noticed and QUIT the job.

You do not get unemployment when you VOLUNTARILY QUIT a job. You get unemployement for layoffs and job termination. Humana was absolutely correct in challenging your unemployment claim.

YOU have no right to comment or debate me about my own opinions
- You posted on a PUBLIC web site.  If you don't want people to comment or debate then start your own site.

I complained that Humana lied to the unemployment office and said that there was no work slow down.
- I doubt you will get it, but let's try one more time.  Unemployment is meant for people who are laid off, and not for people who QUIT.  What ever "perceptions" you have about the amount of work the fact is that YOU left on your own free will.  Had you stayed and they did end up laying you off you would have a valid complaint.  But that did not happen.

Since you don't believe me
- Who said I don't believe you?  I believe everything that you posted, but I also believe that you are incorrect.  The problem is that you somehow got the impression that you were in such a position in Humana that quitting because of what you felt was a lack off work is equivalent to being laid off..and it isn't.

As for the whole jail thing, the unemployment office reaction has shown why you are wrong again.  By your logic the unemployment office perceived that you lied because of what Humana told them.  Are you in jail?  Were you threatened with jail unless you could prove that you did not lie?  NO...the only thing that happened was that your benefits were denied.

Well Robert, YOU need to think before YOU speak. YOU never worked there. YOU have no right to comment or debate me about my own opinions. YOU are a moron for thinking that intentionally lying on an unemployment form is "no big thing". YOU need to read up on the penalties for this; jail time is listed. I complained that Humana lied to the unemployment office and said that there was no work slow down. Since you don't believe me, why don't YOU contact Humana and ask about it? Or better yet, since it is a publicly traded company, YOU can research this information online.

YOU are just another little internet troll sticking his nose where it doesn't belong. Assuming you actually have a job and financial responsibilities, I hope you lose your job so you can see what people have to go through.

First off I am glad you got a new job and do hope it works out for you.

However,  your original post and update do show a total "entitlement mentality".  I can just about guarantee that had they just said "we went with other applicants" you would still be raising the same complaint.

You did not walk into Humana one morning and get escorted to a back office where they asked you to clean out your desk.   YOU of your own free will put in your two weeks notice to QUIT. 

Perhaps there was a slowdown in work, but YOU were NOT let go because of this.  YOU QUIT before they could lay you off..if they ever would have.  If you are as good as you say, most likely you would be one of the ones they would have kept.  All Humana had to do is show the Unemployment Office a copy of your two weeks notice where you voluntarily quit and your claim is over.

As for your jail comment.  It's doubtful that they would have put you in jail for this.  Most likely the worst that would have happened is that they would have required you to pay back any benefits you may have gotten if it was found out after the fact.  If you didn't get any benefits it is more like a "no harm no foul" situation and I doubt that they would purse it.

Ok, Robert, you need to think before you type.

First off, I don't think that I was "entitled to employement there", as you so crassly put it. My anger comes from the fact that I worked there for almost five years and they sent me letter saying that I wasn't qualified. If they would've just sent a letter saying "sorry, we went with other applicants", that would've been fine. And by the way, smart***, I was one of the top rated employees at Humana for almost all of those five years.

Second, I didn't lie on my unemployment form. Maybe you don't know, but you can go to jail for that. Humana was going through a serious work slow down at the time. Think about it, if they had enough of a workload, why didn't they not replace workers that had left the company? Why would they start talking about consolidating all of their workers to one building or doing layoffs? You can't be that dumb. 

And finally, I did get a new job with a great company, so go **** yourself.

Yep, you have indeed screwed yourself.  Good luck with finding another job......you're going to need it now.

So what I get from this is that you "read the writing on the wall" and looked for another job.  So you left Humana for this other job giving proper notice.  But that job "didn't work out" so now you are writing a RipOff report because Humana won't hire you back?

It is amazing the "entitlement" mentality that some people have.

I worked for them for almost five years! How could I not meet their qualifications?
- Perhaps you read the writing on the wall correctly, and you were on your way out anyways.

I stated on the form that the main reason I left Humana was because of the lack of work
- You did LIE.  You left them on your own free will because you found another job.  Perhaps this lack of work you "perceived" was actually not a lack of work.

By the way I would be pretty sure that if anyone from Humana reads this they would know who you are, so you probably can forget ANY chance of getting hired back and just hope that your future employers don't ask them for a reference.  Because I am sure that "Yea she was a good worker but she blasted us on the Internet" would go over really well.