Complaint Review: IHOP

I think the original poster of this report is Lying. I dont believe a word he or she says. gravy will wipe right off esp if its from I hop. Seriously what server would walk away when they hear or see a baby screaming cause that baby got burned? I honestly believe that the original poster of the original report is trying to pull a frivolous law suit kinda like the lady who sued McDonalds over hot coffee... Hello Of Course its hot! or those kids who a couple years ago were trying to sue McDonalds for being over weight. Come on everyone knows if u eat McDonalds you aren't going to be pretty if u eat nothing but McDonalds for a year straight.... People need to have some common sense and take responsibility for themselves..

I don't believe on getting a lawyer for everything.But dude ..this is one of those times you run to a lawyer. What is wrong with you!!! You got so busy talking to IHOP ,you took time away from filing the case ,if you ever did.

There is a big argument out ther americans are filing suit for everything. This is an easy case ,if I ever saw one.

Did you file a case??

By the way Ihops excuse the server is 17 yo, is not your problem. As a customer its the expectation , you get a good product served reasonably ,without causing injury to you.Her inability to serve without hurting the customer is their problem.A jury or judge with any common sesne will see neglijence on Ihops part right away.

By the way I hope your little boy is okay .Poor baby!!OR

I don't believe on getting a lawyer for everything.But dude ..this is one of those times you run to a lawyer. What is wrong with you!!! You got so busy talking to IHOP ,you took time away from filing the case ,if you ever did.

There is a big argument out ther americans are filing suit for everything. This is an easy case ,if I ever saw one.

Did you file a case??

By the way Ihops excuse the server is 17 yo, is not your problem. As a customer its the expectation , you get a good product served reasonably ,without causing injury to you.Her inability to serve without hurting the customer is their problem.A jury or judge with any common sesne will see neglijence on Ihops part right away.

By the way I hope your little boy is okay .Poor baby!!OR

I don't believe on getting a lawyer for everything.But dude ..this is one of those times you run to a lawyer. What is wrong with you!!! You got so busy talking to IHOP ,you took time away from filing the case ,if you ever did.

There is a big argument out ther americans are filing suit for everything. This is an easy case ,if I ever saw one.

Did you file a case??

By the way Ihops excuse the server is 17 yo, is not your problem. As a customer its the expectation , you get a good product served reasonably ,without causing injury to you.Her inability to serve without hurting the customer is their problem.A jury or judge with any common sesne will see neglijence on Ihops part right away.

By the way I hope your little boy is okay .Poor baby!!OR

First of all, the witness posted her response years after the incident. Also, I find it amazing that even though the restaurant was empty (according to April) this witness pops up and remembers everything from start to finish.

MY MAIN ISSUE with Ms. Witness is -- WHY DID YOU SIT THERE AND DO NOTHING? According to your own testimony, the most you did was shake your head. Shame on you for your laziness and lack of compassion!!

My comments are in asterisks (like **this**). I'm leaving out some of the fluff. I don't have time to compare this to Dapril's version right now.

"I was there when all this happened. I work down the street from this IHOP. I come there once a week for the last 7 years, so I know most of the staff there. I have kept quiet as Kevin, the manager then and now, knows who I am, and this may start some negative responses when I come in."

**The witness complains toward the end of this report about Kevin's bad attitude, but she still goes there at least once a week? That doesn't sound right.**

My friend and I were sitting at a both on the right side of the restaurant, so I was able to see everything that took place. There were 3 or 4 others tables being used at this time, they weren't busy at all. These people were unforgettable as so many things kept you interested in them. There was 4 adults, 3 children (2 little boys and a little girl) and this baby.

**Maybe my memory is just sh??y, but I don't remember things like this 3-4 years after the fact.**

I remember them walking in because the mother seemed to be in a lot of pain. The father had to help her to the seat and with her jacket. She had horrible looking bruises along her arms.

**Dale mentioned these bruises were from a car crash. I've been in an accident before (double-impact) and as I recall, I was in no shape to leave the house two days after the crash. Much less, would I have been in much shape to care for an infant, even at home, let alone at an outside dining establishment. Does not add up.**

The hostess sat them all in 3 tables, side by side, but not together. I remember the other lady asking if they could move the tables together and the hostess replied that the tables did not move, she was sorry for the inconvenience as they had no seating for more than 6 people. The baby was in a high chair and the only place he could sit was at the end, the other end was attached to the waitress's station.

**Again, how does one remember all of this, dialogue and all?**

I saw the mother and father sitting one on each side of the baby and each child sat by an adult.

**Two adults and the baby at Table #1 (on the end). One kid and one adult at Table #2 (in between the other two tables). Two kids and one adult at Table #3 (on the end attached to the wait station. If the tables we freestanding, not attached to the wait station, this would work. However, since the tables were attached to the waitstation, there would not be a third spot available for seating at Table #3 unless there were two people on one side and I doubt the chairs would even fit.**

Both the men seemed very concerned with the mother's well-being and kept asking if she was OK and if she needed anything. I remember one time she replied, I'm fine, I'll heal and my family is all here." Like I said, you could not forget this family.

**What is so remarkable about that?**

The waitress came over and asked for drink orders, then came back and asked for their food orders.

**Again I ask, how in God's name does one remember these details years later? Also, why did the witness feel compelled to basically stare this family down, etc.? I have to admit, I think the witness is actually Dan/April with a good spell check program.**


A little later, the waitress came out with a tray full of food. Instead of her sitting the tray down at one of the tables behind them ,

**Why would she do that?**

she started handing plates to the mother and father to hand down. As they were handing the plates down, she did place a bowl of gravy right in front of this baby. And kept placing plates in front of him.

**How would the waitress manage to place plate after plate directly in front of the baby? The tables have limited space. The witness makes it sound like the waitress wasneedlessly putting plateafterplateafterplate in front of the baby. If Mom (April) and Dad (Dale) had already handed down, say, half the plates, to the people sitting closer to the wait station, the waitress would still have probably 8-10 plates for the other people in the group. I find it hard to believe that any waitress would bring all of this out on one tray (due to the sheer weight and space limitations on a single tray). I also find it hard believe that the waitress was too lazy to go around to each individual and place their orders in front of them. Sorry, it just doesn't make sense. In addition, this conflicts Dapril's story in which there was no other food on the table when the gravy was served.**

The parents continuously kept picking these plates up. Then this horrible accident happened. The baby starts screaming, he was rubbing his little hands together. The father picked up napkins trying to get it off. Then the mother grabs one and starts wiping the other hand. The napkins were just sticking to this little ones hands. The waitress walks away, like nothing was going on.

**She was probably getting a wet cloth. NOBODY is that ignorant.**


The mother runs a pile of napkins to the bathroom and comes back with them dripping with water.

**Wait. April has an Associate's in internal medicine and she takes cheap one-ply napkins into the bathroom to wet them down? Instead of dunking the kid's hands in cold drinks? (Also, I thought Dapril's story mentioned taking the baby into the bathroom?) Also, Ms. Witness, if you were so concerned with the situation why did you just sit there and continue to do nothing when I'm sure you were able to help out?**

I looked over again and the baby's hands were so red and bumps started emerging. The father was trying to calm to mother down and the baby was still screaming.

**And you didn't offer to help? Didn't your post say you're a grandmother? Also, I'm no medical expert, but this sounds consistent with 2nd degree burns, not 3rd degree (which turns the skin black and white).**


Finally, the waitress comes back and asks how everything was. I thought the father was going to hit her.

**She probably thought the family members had taken care of the situation. At this time, Dapril could have asked the waitress to call an ambulance. The reason the waitress probably didn't intervene is because then Dapril would have filed a complaint stating the waitress had no right to touch their child, etc.!!**


The mother tells her that she was stupid enough to place food in front of a baby and in less she was deaf she had to know he was hurt. The other man told her to they were leaving. She told them that she had to get her manager.

**Probably with the intent to fill out an accident report, which, as far as I know, is standard procedure in this situation.**


They waited and waited, the mother was getting more and more upset.

**Still, the witness is not helping. Still, nobody has called 911.**


Kevin finally comes out and tells them that they had to wait for their bill before they could leave. The other man told Kevin he must be kidding.

**The Other Man should have offered to stay behind and pay the check while Dapril rushed the baby to the ER.**


Kevin gets loud and tells them that they ordered food and needed to pay for it. The other man told him that none of the children were even served and no one else was going to eat, so they were leaving. Kevin tells them that if they move he would call the police and have them arrested.

**Dapril should have called Kevin on his bluff, left, and let the police arrest them. When the police got their story later, Dapril could have told them the story and Kevin would have been liable for kidnapping or something, I dunno, not a legal expert.**


The man called him an A??hole.

**So, somebody with Dapril's party started the cursing. It wasn't Kevin. Kevin was just reciprocating.**


The mother was still crying and tells Kevin, she couldn't understand anything he was saying. Kevin is African and has a very strong accent.

**Why did Ms. Witness feel compelled to include this detail in her story? Are we supposed to think Africans are rude, evil, cold, heartless, etc.?**


At least 15 minutes passed and he comes back and gives the mother the bill, no kidding.

**This is another 15 more minutes that could have been spent running cold water over the burns, calling 911, etc. What is happening with the baby at this time?**


My friend and I were just sitting there in amazement to all this.

**And not doing a d**n thing to help. You should be ashamed of yourself, that is, if you're not Dapril posting under another identity. Were you too busy stuffing your face to worry about being a good Samaritan? I think most people witnessing this event would have gotten up and HELPED.**


Kevin was at the counter talking to a woman who walked in. The mother asked him if he minded they just pay the bill and leave. He told her to shut up that he'd get to her in a minute.

**It's funny cuz April talks a lot of bu**sh** on here but apparently has no nerve in real life when her baby is apparently inflicted with "third degree" burns.**


The mother asked if there was a district manager there, he was I think his name is Dave, and he was standing right around the corner listening to everything. Kevin tells her that the district manager already left.

**Why would she ask for a DM? What purpose is that going to serve? I think at this point in the story is where Dapril apparently asked for people's names so they would know where to send the bill, Ms. Witness makes no mention of this.**

The other woman grabs the mother and said, Let him call the cops." and drags her out the door.

**Wait. April had VISIBLE, MASSIVE bruises all over from her accident and this woman grabs her and drags her out the door? Isn't that abusive?**

Kevin says, Get back here B???h!" The other woman gave him the finger as they were leaving and tells the mother, she did not have to put up with anyone like that.

**None of this is mentioned in Dapril's story. Didn't Dapril actually pay in their version of the tale?**

I looked at both of them when he finally hung up and told them that they were real jerks. I paid my bill and left.

**Yet you've continued to eat at that IHOP an average of once a week?**

First of all, the witness posted her response years after the incident. Also, I find it amazing that even though the restaurant was empty (according to April) this witness pops up and remembers everything from start to finish.

MY MAIN ISSUE with Ms. Witness is -- WHY DID YOU SIT THERE AND DO NOTHING? According to your own testimony, the most you did was shake your head. Shame on you for your laziness and lack of compassion!!

My comments are in asterisks (like **this**). I'm leaving out some of the fluff. I don't have time to compare this to Dapril's version right now.

"I was there when all this happened. I work down the street from this IHOP. I come there once a week for the last 7 years, so I know most of the staff there. I have kept quiet as Kevin, the manager then and now, knows who I am, and this may start some negative responses when I come in."

**The witness complains toward the end of this report about Kevin's bad attitude, but she still goes there at least once a week? That doesn't sound right.**

My friend and I were sitting at a both on the right side of the restaurant, so I was able to see everything that took place. There were 3 or 4 others tables being used at this time, they weren't busy at all. These people were unforgettable as so many things kept you interested in them. There was 4 adults, 3 children (2 little boys and a little girl) and this baby.

**Maybe my memory is just sh??y, but I don't remember things like this 3-4 years after the fact.**

I remember them walking in because the mother seemed to be in a lot of pain. The father had to help her to the seat and with her jacket. She had horrible looking bruises along her arms.

**Dale mentioned these bruises were from a car crash. I've been in an accident before (double-impact) and as I recall, I was in no shape to leave the house two days after the crash. Much less, would I have been in much shape to care for an infant, even at home, let alone at an outside dining establishment. Does not add up.**

The hostess sat them all in 3 tables, side by side, but not together. I remember the other lady asking if they could move the tables together and the hostess replied that the tables did not move, she was sorry for the inconvenience as they had no seating for more than 6 people. The baby was in a high chair and the only place he could sit was at the end, the other end was attached to the waitress's station.

**Again, how does one remember all of this, dialogue and all?**

I saw the mother and father sitting one on each side of the baby and each child sat by an adult.

**Two adults and the baby at Table #1 (on the end). One kid and one adult at Table #2 (in between the other two tables). Two kids and one adult at Table #3 (on the end attached to the wait station. If the tables we freestanding, not attached to the wait station, this would work. However, since the tables were attached to the waitstation, there would not be a third spot available for seating at Table #3 unless there were two people on one side and I doubt the chairs would even fit.**

Both the men seemed very concerned with the mother's well-being and kept asking if she was OK and if she needed anything. I remember one time she replied, I'm fine, I'll heal and my family is all here." Like I said, you could not forget this family.

**What is so remarkable about that?**

The waitress came over and asked for drink orders, then came back and asked for their food orders.

**Again I ask, how in God's name does one remember these details years later? Also, why did the witness feel compelled to basically stare this family down, etc.? I have to admit, I think the witness is actually Dan/April with a good spell check program.**


A little later, the waitress came out with a tray full of food. Instead of her sitting the tray down at one of the tables behind them ,

**Why would she do that?**

she started handing plates to the mother and father to hand down. As they were handing the plates down, she did place a bowl of gravy right in front of this baby. And kept placing plates in front of him.

**How would the waitress manage to place plate after plate directly in front of the baby? The tables have limited space. The witness makes it sound like the waitress wasneedlessly putting plateafterplateafterplate in front of the baby. If Mom (April) and Dad (Dale) had already handed down, say, half the plates, to the people sitting closer to the wait station, the waitress would still have probably 8-10 plates for the other people in the group. I find it hard to believe that any waitress would bring all of this out on one tray (due to the sheer weight and space limitations on a single tray). I also find it hard believe that the waitress was too lazy to go around to each individual and place their orders in front of them. Sorry, it just doesn't make sense. In addition, this conflicts Dapril's story in which there was no other food on the table when the gravy was served.**

The parents continuously kept picking these plates up. Then this horrible accident happened. The baby starts screaming, he was rubbing his little hands together. The father picked up napkins trying to get it off. Then the mother grabs one and starts wiping the other hand. The napkins were just sticking to this little ones hands. The waitress walks away, like nothing was going on.

**She was probably getting a wet cloth. NOBODY is that ignorant.**


The mother runs a pile of napkins to the bathroom and comes back with them dripping with water.

**Wait. April has an Associate's in internal medicine and she takes cheap one-ply napkins into the bathroom to wet them down? Instead of dunking the kid's hands in cold drinks? (Also, I thought Dapril's story mentioned taking the baby into the bathroom?) Also, Ms. Witness, if you were so concerned with the situation why did you just sit there and continue to do nothing when I'm sure you were able to help out?**

I looked over again and the baby's hands were so red and bumps started emerging. The father was trying to calm to mother down and the baby was still screaming.

**And you didn't offer to help? Didn't your post say you're a grandmother? Also, I'm no medical expert, but this sounds consistent with 2nd degree burns, not 3rd degree (which turns the skin black and white).**


Finally, the waitress comes back and asks how everything was. I thought the father was going to hit her.

**She probably thought the family members had taken care of the situation. At this time, Dapril could have asked the waitress to call an ambulance. The reason the waitress probably didn't intervene is because then Dapril would have filed a complaint stating the waitress had no right to touch their child, etc.!!**


The mother tells her that she was stupid enough to place food in front of a baby and in less she was deaf she had to know he was hurt. The other man told her to they were leaving. She told them that she had to get her manager.

**Probably with the intent to fill out an accident report, which, as far as I know, is standard procedure in this situation.**


They waited and waited, the mother was getting more and more upset.

**Still, the witness is not helping. Still, nobody has called 911.**


Kevin finally comes out and tells them that they had to wait for their bill before they could leave. The other man told Kevin he must be kidding.

**The Other Man should have offered to stay behind and pay the check while Dapril rushed the baby to the ER.**


Kevin gets loud and tells them that they ordered food and needed to pay for it. The other man told him that none of the children were even served and no one else was going to eat, so they were leaving. Kevin tells them that if they move he would call the police and have them arrested.

**Dapril should have called Kevin on his bluff, left, and let the police arrest them. When the police got their story later, Dapril could have told them the story and Kevin would have been liable for kidnapping or something, I dunno, not a legal expert.**


The man called him an A??hole.

**So, somebody with Dapril's party started the cursing. It wasn't Kevin. Kevin was just reciprocating.**


The mother was still crying and tells Kevin, she couldn't understand anything he was saying. Kevin is African and has a very strong accent.

**Why did Ms. Witness feel compelled to include this detail in her story? Are we supposed to think Africans are rude, evil, cold, heartless, etc.?**


At least 15 minutes passed and he comes back and gives the mother the bill, no kidding.

**This is another 15 more minutes that could have been spent running cold water over the burns, calling 911, etc. What is happening with the baby at this time?**


My friend and I were just sitting there in amazement to all this.

**And not doing a d**n thing to help. You should be ashamed of yourself, that is, if you're not Dapril posting under another identity. Were you too busy stuffing your face to worry about being a good Samaritan? I think most people witnessing this event would have gotten up and HELPED.**


Kevin was at the counter talking to a woman who walked in. The mother asked him if he minded they just pay the bill and leave. He told her to shut up that he'd get to her in a minute.

**It's funny cuz April talks a lot of bu**sh** on here but apparently has no nerve in real life when her baby is apparently inflicted with "third degree" burns.**


The mother asked if there was a district manager there, he was I think his name is Dave, and he was standing right around the corner listening to everything. Kevin tells her that the district manager already left.

**Why would she ask for a DM? What purpose is that going to serve? I think at this point in the story is where Dapril apparently asked for people's names so they would know where to send the bill, Ms. Witness makes no mention of this.**

The other woman grabs the mother and said, Let him call the cops." and drags her out the door.

**Wait. April had VISIBLE, MASSIVE bruises all over from her accident and this woman grabs her and drags her out the door? Isn't that abusive?**

Kevin says, Get back here B???h!" The other woman gave him the finger as they were leaving and tells the mother, she did not have to put up with anyone like that.

**None of this is mentioned in Dapril's story. Didn't Dapril actually pay in their version of the tale?**

I looked at both of them when he finally hung up and told them that they were real jerks. I paid my bill and left.

**Yet you've continued to eat at that IHOP an average of once a week?**

First of all, the witness posted her response years after the incident. Also, I find it amazing that even though the restaurant was empty (according to April) this witness pops up and remembers everything from start to finish.

MY MAIN ISSUE with Ms. Witness is -- WHY DID YOU SIT THERE AND DO NOTHING? According to your own testimony, the most you did was shake your head. Shame on you for your laziness and lack of compassion!!

My comments are in asterisks (like **this**). I'm leaving out some of the fluff. I don't have time to compare this to Dapril's version right now.

"I was there when all this happened. I work down the street from this IHOP. I come there once a week for the last 7 years, so I know most of the staff there. I have kept quiet as Kevin, the manager then and now, knows who I am, and this may start some negative responses when I come in."

**The witness complains toward the end of this report about Kevin's bad attitude, but she still goes there at least once a week? That doesn't sound right.**

My friend and I were sitting at a both on the right side of the restaurant, so I was able to see everything that took place. There were 3 or 4 others tables being used at this time, they weren't busy at all. These people were unforgettable as so many things kept you interested in them. There was 4 adults, 3 children (2 little boys and a little girl) and this baby.

**Maybe my memory is just sh??y, but I don't remember things like this 3-4 years after the fact.**

I remember them walking in because the mother seemed to be in a lot of pain. The father had to help her to the seat and with her jacket. She had horrible looking bruises along her arms.

**Dale mentioned these bruises were from a car crash. I've been in an accident before (double-impact) and as I recall, I was in no shape to leave the house two days after the crash. Much less, would I have been in much shape to care for an infant, even at home, let alone at an outside dining establishment. Does not add up.**

The hostess sat them all in 3 tables, side by side, but not together. I remember the other lady asking if they could move the tables together and the hostess replied that the tables did not move, she was sorry for the inconvenience as they had no seating for more than 6 people. The baby was in a high chair and the only place he could sit was at the end, the other end was attached to the waitress's station.

**Again, how does one remember all of this, dialogue and all?**

I saw the mother and father sitting one on each side of the baby and each child sat by an adult.

**Two adults and the baby at Table #1 (on the end). One kid and one adult at Table #2 (in between the other two tables). Two kids and one adult at Table #3 (on the end attached to the wait station. If the tables we freestanding, not attached to the wait station, this would work. However, since the tables were attached to the waitstation, there would not be a third spot available for seating at Table #3 unless there were two people on one side and I doubt the chairs would even fit.**

Both the men seemed very concerned with the mother's well-being and kept asking if she was OK and if she needed anything. I remember one time she replied, I'm fine, I'll heal and my family is all here." Like I said, you could not forget this family.

**What is so remarkable about that?**

The waitress came over and asked for drink orders, then came back and asked for their food orders.

**Again I ask, how in God's name does one remember these details years later? Also, why did the witness feel compelled to basically stare this family down, etc.? I have to admit, I think the witness is actually Dan/April with a good spell check program.**


A little later, the waitress came out with a tray full of food. Instead of her sitting the tray down at one of the tables behind them ,

**Why would she do that?**

she started handing plates to the mother and father to hand down. As they were handing the plates down, she did place a bowl of gravy right in front of this baby. And kept placing plates in front of him.

**How would the waitress manage to place plate after plate directly in front of the baby? The tables have limited space. The witness makes it sound like the waitress wasneedlessly putting plateafterplateafterplate in front of the baby. If Mom (April) and Dad (Dale) had already handed down, say, half the plates, to the people sitting closer to the wait station, the waitress would still have probably 8-10 plates for the other people in the group. I find it hard to believe that any waitress would bring all of this out on one tray (due to the sheer weight and space limitations on a single tray). I also find it hard believe that the waitress was too lazy to go around to each individual and place their orders in front of them. Sorry, it just doesn't make sense. In addition, this conflicts Dapril's story in which there was no other food on the table when the gravy was served.**

The parents continuously kept picking these plates up. Then this horrible accident happened. The baby starts screaming, he was rubbing his little hands together. The father picked up napkins trying to get it off. Then the mother grabs one and starts wiping the other hand. The napkins were just sticking to this little ones hands. The waitress walks away, like nothing was going on.

**She was probably getting a wet cloth. NOBODY is that ignorant.**


The mother runs a pile of napkins to the bathroom and comes back with them dripping with water.

**Wait. April has an Associate's in internal medicine and she takes cheap one-ply napkins into the bathroom to wet them down? Instead of dunking the kid's hands in cold drinks? (Also, I thought Dapril's story mentioned taking the baby into the bathroom?) Also, Ms. Witness, if you were so concerned with the situation why did you just sit there and continue to do nothing when I'm sure you were able to help out?**

I looked over again and the baby's hands were so red and bumps started emerging. The father was trying to calm to mother down and the baby was still screaming.

**And you didn't offer to help? Didn't your post say you're a grandmother? Also, I'm no medical expert, but this sounds consistent with 2nd degree burns, not 3rd degree (which turns the skin black and white).**


Finally, the waitress comes back and asks how everything was. I thought the father was going to hit her.

**She probably thought the family members had taken care of the situation. At this time, Dapril could have asked the waitress to call an ambulance. The reason the waitress probably didn't intervene is because then Dapril would have filed a complaint stating the waitress had no right to touch their child, etc.!!**


The mother tells her that she was stupid enough to place food in front of a baby and in less she was deaf she had to know he was hurt. The other man told her to they were leaving. She told them that she had to get her manager.

**Probably with the intent to fill out an accident report, which, as far as I know, is standard procedure in this situation.**


They waited and waited, the mother was getting more and more upset.

**Still, the witness is not helping. Still, nobody has called 911.**


Kevin finally comes out and tells them that they had to wait for their bill before they could leave. The other man told Kevin he must be kidding.

**The Other Man should have offered to stay behind and pay the check while Dapril rushed the baby to the ER.**


Kevin gets loud and tells them that they ordered food and needed to pay for it. The other man told him that none of the children were even served and no one else was going to eat, so they were leaving. Kevin tells them that if they move he would call the police and have them arrested.

**Dapril should have called Kevin on his bluff, left, and let the police arrest them. When the police got their story later, Dapril could have told them the story and Kevin would have been liable for kidnapping or something, I dunno, not a legal expert.**


The man called him an A??hole.

**So, somebody with Dapril's party started the cursing. It wasn't Kevin. Kevin was just reciprocating.**


The mother was still crying and tells Kevin, she couldn't understand anything he was saying. Kevin is African and has a very strong accent.

**Why did Ms. Witness feel compelled to include this detail in her story? Are we supposed to think Africans are rude, evil, cold, heartless, etc.?**


At least 15 minutes passed and he comes back and gives the mother the bill, no kidding.

**This is another 15 more minutes that could have been spent running cold water over the burns, calling 911, etc. What is happening with the baby at this time?**


My friend and I were just sitting there in amazement to all this.

**And not doing a d**n thing to help. You should be ashamed of yourself, that is, if you're not Dapril posting under another identity. Were you too busy stuffing your face to worry about being a good Samaritan? I think most people witnessing this event would have gotten up and HELPED.**


Kevin was at the counter talking to a woman who walked in. The mother asked him if he minded they just pay the bill and leave. He told her to shut up that he'd get to her in a minute.

**It's funny cuz April talks a lot of bu**sh** on here but apparently has no nerve in real life when her baby is apparently inflicted with "third degree" burns.**


The mother asked if there was a district manager there, he was I think his name is Dave, and he was standing right around the corner listening to everything. Kevin tells her that the district manager already left.

**Why would she ask for a DM? What purpose is that going to serve? I think at this point in the story is where Dapril apparently asked for people's names so they would know where to send the bill, Ms. Witness makes no mention of this.**

The other woman grabs the mother and said, Let him call the cops." and drags her out the door.

**Wait. April had VISIBLE, MASSIVE bruises all over from her accident and this woman grabs her and drags her out the door? Isn't that abusive?**

Kevin says, Get back here B???h!" The other woman gave him the finger as they were leaving and tells the mother, she did not have to put up with anyone like that.

**None of this is mentioned in Dapril's story. Didn't Dapril actually pay in their version of the tale?**

I looked at both of them when he finally hung up and told them that they were real jerks. I paid my bill and left.

**Yet you've continued to eat at that IHOP an average of once a week?**

First of all, the witness posted her response years after the incident. Also, I find it amazing that even though the restaurant was empty (according to April) this witness pops up and remembers everything from start to finish.

MY MAIN ISSUE with Ms. Witness is -- WHY DID YOU SIT THERE AND DO NOTHING? According to your own testimony, the most you did was shake your head. Shame on you for your laziness and lack of compassion!!

My comments are in asterisks (like **this**). I'm leaving out some of the fluff. I don't have time to compare this to Dapril's version right now.

"I was there when all this happened. I work down the street from this IHOP. I come there once a week for the last 7 years, so I know most of the staff there. I have kept quiet as Kevin, the manager then and now, knows who I am, and this may start some negative responses when I come in."

**The witness complains toward the end of this report about Kevin's bad attitude, but she still goes there at least once a week? That doesn't sound right.**

My friend and I were sitting at a both on the right side of the restaurant, so I was able to see everything that took place. There were 3 or 4 others tables being used at this time, they weren't busy at all. These people were unforgettable as so many things kept you interested in them. There was 4 adults, 3 children (2 little boys and a little girl) and this baby.

**Maybe my memory is just sh??y, but I don't remember things like this 3-4 years after the fact.**

I remember them walking in because the mother seemed to be in a lot of pain. The father had to help her to the seat and with her jacket. She had horrible looking bruises along her arms.

**Dale mentioned these bruises were from a car crash. I've been in an accident before (double-impact) and as I recall, I was in no shape to leave the house two days after the crash. Much less, would I have been in much shape to care for an infant, even at home, let alone at an outside dining establishment. Does not add up.**

The hostess sat them all in 3 tables, side by side, but not together. I remember the other lady asking if they could move the tables together and the hostess replied that the tables did not move, she was sorry for the inconvenience as they had no seating for more than 6 people. The baby was in a high chair and the only place he could sit was at the end, the other end was attached to the waitress's station.

**Again, how does one remember all of this, dialogue and all?**

I saw the mother and father sitting one on each side of the baby and each child sat by an adult.

**Two adults and the baby at Table #1 (on the end). One kid and one adult at Table #2 (in between the other two tables). Two kids and one adult at Table #3 (on the end attached to the wait station. If the tables we freestanding, not attached to the wait station, this would work. However, since the tables were attached to the waitstation, there would not be a third spot available for seating at Table #3 unless there were two people on one side and I doubt the chairs would even fit.**

Both the men seemed very concerned with the mother's well-being and kept asking if she was OK and if she needed anything. I remember one time she replied, I'm fine, I'll heal and my family is all here." Like I said, you could not forget this family.

**What is so remarkable about that?**

The waitress came over and asked for drink orders, then came back and asked for their food orders.

**Again I ask, how in God's name does one remember these details years later? Also, why did the witness feel compelled to basically stare this family down, etc.? I have to admit, I think the witness is actually Dan/April with a good spell check program.**


A little later, the waitress came out with a tray full of food. Instead of her sitting the tray down at one of the tables behind them ,

**Why would she do that?**

she started handing plates to the mother and father to hand down. As they were handing the plates down, she did place a bowl of gravy right in front of this baby. And kept placing plates in front of him.

**How would the waitress manage to place plate after plate directly in front of the baby? The tables have limited space. The witness makes it sound like the waitress wasneedlessly putting plateafterplateafterplate in front of the baby. If Mom (April) and Dad (Dale) had already handed down, say, half the plates, to the people sitting closer to the wait station, the waitress would still have probably 8-10 plates for the other people in the group. I find it hard to believe that any waitress would bring all of this out on one tray (due to the sheer weight and space limitations on a single tray). I also find it hard believe that the waitress was too lazy to go around to each individual and place their orders in front of them. Sorry, it just doesn't make sense. In addition, this conflicts Dapril's story in which there was no other food on the table when the gravy was served.**

The parents continuously kept picking these plates up. Then this horrible accident happened. The baby starts screaming, he was rubbing his little hands together. The father picked up napkins trying to get it off. Then the mother grabs one and starts wiping the other hand. The napkins were just sticking to this little ones hands. The waitress walks away, like nothing was going on.

**She was probably getting a wet cloth. NOBODY is that ignorant.**


The mother runs a pile of napkins to the bathroom and comes back with them dripping with water.

**Wait. April has an Associate's in internal medicine and she takes cheap one-ply napkins into the bathroom to wet them down? Instead of dunking the kid's hands in cold drinks? (Also, I thought Dapril's story mentioned taking the baby into the bathroom?) Also, Ms. Witness, if you were so concerned with the situation why did you just sit there and continue to do nothing when I'm sure you were able to help out?**

I looked over again and the baby's hands were so red and bumps started emerging. The father was trying to calm to mother down and the baby was still screaming.

**And you didn't offer to help? Didn't your post say you're a grandmother? Also, I'm no medical expert, but this sounds consistent with 2nd degree burns, not 3rd degree (which turns the skin black and white).**


Finally, the waitress comes back and asks how everything was. I thought the father was going to hit her.

**She probably thought the family members had taken care of the situation. At this time, Dapril could have asked the waitress to call an ambulance. The reason the waitress probably didn't intervene is because then Dapril would have filed a complaint stating the waitress had no right to touch their child, etc.!!**


The mother tells her that she was stupid enough to place food in front of a baby and in less she was deaf she had to know he was hurt. The other man told her to they were leaving. She told them that she had to get her manager.

**Probably with the intent to fill out an accident report, which, as far as I know, is standard procedure in this situation.**


They waited and waited, the mother was getting more and more upset.

**Still, the witness is not helping. Still, nobody has called 911.**


Kevin finally comes out and tells them that they had to wait for their bill before they could leave. The other man told Kevin he must be kidding.

**The Other Man should have offered to stay behind and pay the check while Dapril rushed the baby to the ER.**


Kevin gets loud and tells them that they ordered food and needed to pay for it. The other man told him that none of the children were even served and no one else was going to eat, so they were leaving. Kevin tells them that if they move he would call the police and have them arrested.

**Dapril should have called Kevin on his bluff, left, and let the police arrest them. When the police got their story later, Dapril could have told them the story and Kevin would have been liable for kidnapping or something, I dunno, not a legal expert.**


The man called him an A??hole.

**So, somebody with Dapril's party started the cursing. It wasn't Kevin. Kevin was just reciprocating.**


The mother was still crying and tells Kevin, she couldn't understand anything he was saying. Kevin is African and has a very strong accent.

**Why did Ms. Witness feel compelled to include this detail in her story? Are we supposed to think Africans are rude, evil, cold, heartless, etc.?**


At least 15 minutes passed and he comes back and gives the mother the bill, no kidding.

**This is another 15 more minutes that could have been spent running cold water over the burns, calling 911, etc. What is happening with the baby at this time?**


My friend and I were just sitting there in amazement to all this.

**And not doing a d**n thing to help. You should be ashamed of yourself, that is, if you're not Dapril posting under another identity. Were you too busy stuffing your face to worry about being a good Samaritan? I think most people witnessing this event would have gotten up and HELPED.**


Kevin was at the counter talking to a woman who walked in. The mother asked him if he minded they just pay the bill and leave. He told her to shut up that he'd get to her in a minute.

**It's funny cuz April talks a lot of bu**sh** on here but apparently has no nerve in real life when her baby is apparently inflicted with "third degree" burns.**


The mother asked if there was a district manager there, he was I think his name is Dave, and he was standing right around the corner listening to everything. Kevin tells her that the district manager already left.

**Why would she ask for a DM? What purpose is that going to serve? I think at this point in the story is where Dapril apparently asked for people's names so they would know where to send the bill, Ms. Witness makes no mention of this.**

The other woman grabs the mother and said, Let him call the cops." and drags her out the door.

**Wait. April had VISIBLE, MASSIVE bruises all over from her accident and this woman grabs her and drags her out the door? Isn't that abusive?**

Kevin says, Get back here B???h!" The other woman gave him the finger as they were leaving and tells the mother, she did not have to put up with anyone like that.

**None of this is mentioned in Dapril's story. Didn't Dapril actually pay in their version of the tale?**

I looked at both of them when he finally hung up and told them that they were real jerks. I paid my bill and left.

**Yet you've continued to eat at that IHOP an average of once a week?**

This report is so old, so fabricated, and so redundant I couldn't help the entertainment value of a boring evening...

The only thing you need to know to know these people are lying is in one rebuttal.. This is copy and pasted exactly, with my comments in the brackets, how sad to lie for attention, entertainment, boredom perhaps even.. I guess we will never know..


**Get it together people!

Let me start with Bea. First, you made the comment that we should answer your questions and you should not be required or responsible to read the other posts. Yet, you want to continue to ask the same questions and make your own wrong, rude and opinionated assumptions. So, YES you do need to read the other rebuttals or posts and then when you have something of interest and not the same song and dance, we'll talk. By the way, if you read your own rebuttals after writing them, you see why we are so angry with your insulting rebuttals. And, you can't apologize for something that you continuously do. You keep telling us you have a life, etc., yet day after day you rebuttal. Funny!!!

**As for Howard, my wife is a Paralegal, so what the courts would want to know and ask, I assure you, she knows. And yes, their attitude and behavior does have a baring on any case involving an injury. As for your comment on, parents are held responsible for their actions and their children's actions." Oh, give me a break. This is a clause for a case against a parent whose child has murdered, robbed or raped someone. Not for an infant being burned by the incompetence of a waitress.** (Notice Dale says his wife, here)

Just since you all seem to be to lazy to read, I'll clarify your repeated questions. Yes, the waitress placed a plate in front of my husband,*(Notice, suddenly, Dale has switched genders, mysteriously)* which was to close to my son and he was moving it. She also handed him a plate at the same time that went to another one of our children. She also placed a plate in front of myself that went to people down and then placed another plate and the gravy plate in front of my son. So how was it not our fault and hers, well duh! As to how we were sitting and how many people were there, Fine. There were four adults and four children (3 of which were ours.) They placed us in two small tables, placed together and our infant was sitting in a high chair on the front side. My wife and I on each side our other two beside us.*(Back to a man again)* The other two adults beside them and the other child on the other end. When we got there, the waitress already was snotty. She took us to our table and we asked to be placed at a larger table and complained of the smell. It smelled like the entire floor was covered in mold. She sprayed some Lysol and told us that the dinner crowd would be in soon, therefor we could not move to another seat. Nice huh?

As for what we did, well, our son started screaming. The first thing you do as a parent is to try to get the gravy off. We used napkins, it stuck to him, I ran to the bathroom and got wet towels and once the gravy was off noticed his fingers blistering up. We tried to leave! The girl was standing at the table because she just placed the plates in front of him when this happened and while he was screaming, she walked away. Didn't apologize, didn't asked if she could help in anyway, nothing.

Do you know what the manager said when she called a few weeks later? She said, You have to understand, she's young and doesn't have kids of her own. So she didn't know what to do or how to act when this happened." The freaking manager said this. This was their defense. So really fight for IHOP all you want. But everyone we know will never go there again. And if their still in business when my son's of age and he chooses to file suit against them, I do wish him all the luck and will be sitting there to see IHOP go down.**

If the kid goes nuts over this and the Mom has to quit her job over a burn blister, what would possibly happen when the kids breaks an arm or gets stitches? Call Homeland Security.

Hot gravy on the table. Kid put his hand in it. He got burned. Brain got taught. Move on.

If the kid goes nuts over this and the Mom has to quit her job over a burn blister, what would possibly happen when the kids breaks an arm or gets stitches? Call Homeland Security.

Hot gravy on the table. Kid put his hand in it. He got burned. Brain got taught. Move on.

If the kid goes nuts over this and the Mom has to quit her job over a burn blister, what would possibly happen when the kids breaks an arm or gets stitches? Call Homeland Security.

Hot gravy on the table. Kid put his hand in it. He got burned. Brain got taught. Move on.

If the kid goes nuts over this and the Mom has to quit her job over a burn blister, what would possibly happen when the kids breaks an arm or gets stitches? Call Homeland Security.

Hot gravy on the table. Kid put his hand in it. He got burned. Brain got taught. Move on.

Top Ten Aprilisms:

Only a moran would say something that stupid.

Everything I responsed on

My Son has permenent scares.

Associated degrees

biscuts and gravy

the box frooze up.

You'll also see little fees pooping up here and there.

Showing you lack of intelligence

I showed them my recite

'ciese and desist'

I was shocked to read your story. you should get a good persoal injury attorney and sue IHOP Corporation into bankruptcy !! GOOD LUCK..

On June 25, 2003, (as quoted below) Dale wrote that his wife has an Associates Degree in Internal Medicine and Paralegal studies. First, I was not aware that there is an Associates Degree in Internal Medicine and second...well, anyone with a background in the medical field knows what to do to minimize the effects of a burn. Additionally, anyone with a backround in paralegal/law studies would also know not to post anything on a public forum when there is the slightest possibility of litigation because in a lawsuit, everything and I mean everything (even if you think it is irrelevant) will be used by the opposing counsel to strengthen their defense. Even though this is old and beating a dead horse, I just couldn't help reading the entire thread and there are just so many inconsistencies...not to mention the fact that if this were true, these poor people have to be the most unlucky family I have ever encountered. Third degree burns from a TV dinner, a very bad car accident with serious injuries just 2 days before the "incident", rude service, a burned infant (who later developed autism and cerebal palsy) and I am not sure because there was a lot to read but I thought that there was one post that mentioned some problem with the older children (twins), as well ...whew...that is a lot to deal with. Sounds almost like this family could be a candidate for Extreme Home Makeover.


People like you is what ticks me off!
No anyone reading you posts wouldn't believe you. And no you don't have a life as the other person rebuttaling.

I am pissed off because my family was treated in this manner. For the other person, The watress was placing serveral plates down, not just the one with the gravy. We did try to move it asap, but it wasn't fast enough. I take it you do not have any children or your rebuttal would not have been so egotistical of wanting us to rebuttal. As for Bea, you want so much to know where the 'Mother' was in all this, like before, you can read, right, then I just answered your question. You were given a reply, because your question was already answered.

As for your information, since all this, my wife has been involved in everything my son has gone through and will go through, as listed above. I quarentee she know's a hell of alot more than you on this issue of the accident, the Autism and the CP. She is involved with numerous neurologists at Children's Hospital, she has been involved in all the different decisions that Congress has made in reguards to Autism. And yes, she makes sure Congress knows the affects Autism has on families, education and life long treatment. She hold's an Associates Degree in Internal Medicine and Paralegal Studies. She meets each month with 2 seperate support groups and discusses all this. She meets once a month with a group of people compossed of the Board of Education, Doctor's, Specialists, Teachers, Administrators and Parents as to how to improve the Special Education for Children like ours. So I know your 'facts' are B.S.

You want to share with people what you ant and not what is true. SO you really do need a life, because this is one thing you can not debate with my wife, you will not win.

I am a mother of five children, a victim of 2nd & 3rd degree burns (at age 14) my skin peeled off immediately, an "ex" employee of an IHOP Restaurant (another town), also in a pending lawsuit with IHOP, currently a cook at another restaurant, previously a server, cook and a manager of IHOP. I think that covered all needed areas. First of all, I would like to say I am sorry for your sons pain and suffering. I do not want to come across as if I am bashing anyone, so please take a deep breath and count to ten if you feel like I am attacking you. There were several people at the table, even if everyone's hands were full, how come the server was not asked to place the biscuits and gravy somewhere else? What was used to wipe off your childs hands? Did anyone try to call for an ambulance? Why did you stand and listen to the manager argue with you instead of leaving for the hospital? Have you posted a copy of the medical records or pictures of before and after online? If you did, this may help with some of the rebuttals you are getting. The private/personal items can be blocked out. I know you should not have to post all of this information. Although, this seems to really be eating at you (the rebuttals). As a cook of three restaurants, we have never kept our gravy on a burner all day in a boiling pot (it would scorch). (I believe that was how it was stated by someone.) The gravy is kept on a steam table without a lid, in return causes the gravy to lose temperature. (the lid causes the gravy to seperate), and is not held for more than four hours. I would like to hear back from an employee of that particular IHOP to find out if indeed the server puts the gravy on the biscuits. Most restaurants would not allow it. (Food Cost) What does upset me is the name calling of the seventeen year old. She obviously was not trained properly. (IHOP's neglegence) Something I am currently pushing in my restaurant, I see these kinds of potential dangers all of the time. She probably has not been around very many, if any young children. When she walked away, I wonder if she was on her way to get a wet towel. Did she hear anyone at the table get angry and possibly decide not to come back. I myself would have been scared at seventeen and thought twice about coming back to a table of upset adults. (For good reason, but she may have needed to be consoled herself. Anyone that has accidentally harmed a child knows how bad it can make you feel.) I was going to go on-and-on, but I am going to leave this rebuttal at this point and let someone else have a say. I will watch for new rebuttals and jump back in soon. Good luck with your childs settlement, he deserves it. Remember, do not settle out of court. If you do, they may ask you to keep quiet. Learn from this and help other parents protect their children and teach the restaurants in your community how to provide safe service to everyone. I would however like to give restaurant consumers some advice when dining with children of any age.
1. Sit at a table instead of a booth. This will allow the parent to ask the server to serve from a different side of the table. (Always try to leave an open space at the table for a server to have access for serving, even if the food has to be passed around. Please do not put children of any age near the access point for the server)
2. DO NOT flip highchairs upside down to put the carseat in, I seen a newborn baby (a friends) fall (at IHOP).
3. Eating out is an opportunity to teach a child table manners and respect. (Do not allow them to swing around and jump in their seats, this is how trays are dumped most often.)
4. Common sense you would think.. Do not allow your child to run in the restaurant.
5. Pay attention to your server when she is serving food.
6. Try to keep children out of the walk-way if possible.
To the restaurant staff:
1. If you have to serve at a booth with a child on the end in a highchair, put your back to the child and serve. Let the parent know why you are doing this. (Boost your tip)
2. Never serve any potentially (meaning anything that even feels warm) hot food to a child.
3. Always stress the word "hot" when you are serving. (Make the parents and children pay attention to you. Without being rude of course)
4. If placemats are on the table make sure the child cannot pull the hot food or beverage to them. (Remove them if you have to, even if it is policy to have them. How can your manager argue safety with you. Or tell the manager the customer wanted them removed.)
5. Use common sense.
To the mom: I am truly sorry for your sons pain. I do hope he recovers fully. As for the manager, he should be terminated. I would not have tied you up at the counter to pay, that was wrong. I have twenty three years experience in the restaurant business, it does have a tendency to make us a little rough around the edges. We deal with many people on a daily basis who just want a free meal. So most managers try to get to the bottom of the problem and settle it right away. It is our job to settle what we can in the store. This manager obviously has no business dealing with the public.

Wow, all this drama and name calling. Shocking!

I think it's pertinent (and I haven't seen anybody else mention this fact) but the
parents obviously ORDERED the mashed potatoes or biscuits or open face sandwich that forced the waitress to BRING the gravy to the table to begin with.

I have 4 children, always watched them like hawks. And yes, they are lightning fast. But if I'm at a restaurant and I order something HOT like gravy and I know it's coming, (Because I ordered it) I'm on the lookout for it. Furthermore, since the time all my children were 6 months to 3 years old, they were in a highchair. (AWAY from the table at large, and isn't that the whole point of a highchair)??

We all know how small restaurant tables are, how narrow they are. This is a recipe for disaster.

I'm not one to victimize a victim but hey....this was SO EASILY preventable. If the child had been in a highchair, and the parents of the child were vigilant for the incoming gravy that THEY had in fact ordered themselves, well...I think this is what they mean by an ouce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

So, if the child was properly placed into a highchair instead of on a lap or booster seat, this was SO easily preventable. A waitress is just that, a food SERVER. They are not your babysitter when you go out to eat. That is your job as a parent to babysit your own child. Not theirs. If this happened to me and my child got burned, I would have to take responsibility as well. Because if my child got injured when I knowingly had hot food coming to my table that I ordered and I negligently didn't keep an eagle eye out, and/or didn't have them secured in a highchair, that would be my fault. And I was cool until I saw the autism remark. Felt that was WAY over the top too. Peace.

Wow Sugarpie!!! That would give you the highest IQ on record.

You need to let Guiness know because currently the person they have listed as having the highest IQ is a South Korean by the name of Kim Oong Yong, holding a Guiness Record of an IQ of 210. He is currently a professor at a provincial college in Korea and has a degree in civic engineering. He learned calculus at 3, spoke several languages at 4, and graduated from Colorado State University with a PhD in physics before he turned 15.

I'm sure that with your 250 IQ you learned Maxwells Formula at the age of 9 months and wrote an OS for your kindergarten science project and you were a full tenured professor at Stanford by the age of 6.

Or did you just mis-type 25?

Had you dunked his hands in a pitcher of something cold instead of running to the bathroom, he wouldn't have any burns.

While IHOP was at fault, you could have prevented the problem with some basic common sense.

Actually, lawsuits are often settled before the trial with the company/corporation/city paying money but not admitting any wrong doing. Read the newspaper for: the latest lawsuit against a police force; the car manufacturer and bad tires and banks having accounts for payday lenders. These are three recent examples where the company/corporation/city sued settled the lawsuit before the trial started by paying money WITH the stipulation that they were not admitting any wrong doing. It happens all the time. Shoot even some of the med companies do the same thing on lawsuits about bad effects from their pills.

Actually, lawsuits are often settled before the trial with the company/corporation/city paying money but not admitting any wrong doing. Read the newspaper for: the latest lawsuit against a police force; the car manufacturer and bad tires and banks having accounts for payday lenders. These are three recent examples where the company/corporation/city sued settled the lawsuit before the trial started by paying money WITH the stipulation that they were not admitting any wrong doing. It happens all the time. Shoot even some of the med companies do the same thing on lawsuits about bad effects from their pills.

Actually, lawsuits are often settled before the trial with the company/corporation/city paying money but not admitting any wrong doing. Read the newspaper for: the latest lawsuit against a police force; the car manufacturer and bad tires and banks having accounts for payday lenders. These are three recent examples where the company/corporation/city sued settled the lawsuit before the trial started by paying money WITH the stipulation that they were not admitting any wrong doing. It happens all the time. Shoot even some of the med companies do the same thing on lawsuits about bad effects from their pills.

Actually, lawsuits are often settled before the trial with the company/corporation/city paying money but not admitting any wrong doing. Read the newspaper for: the latest lawsuit against a police force; the car manufacturer and bad tires and banks having accounts for payday lenders. These are three recent examples where the company/corporation/city sued settled the lawsuit before the trial started by paying money WITH the stipulation that they were not admitting any wrong doing. It happens all the time. Shoot even some of the med companies do the same thing on lawsuits about bad effects from their pills.

I am sorry to hear that your toddler was burned at the time. Baby skin is delicate and it doesn't take much to burn it.

I don't agree that you are entitled to any type of lawsuit to IHOP though. I'll be honest here on my views of IHOP. They are a pretty crappy company overall. They come across as dirty and filthy, both the help and the management are a bunch of dingbats, and they're expensive and nasty. For the record, almost all of your breakfast and Denny's type restaurants come across as filthy and nasty. However, it is YOUR responsability and YOUR responsability alone to watch over and protect your kids. Unless the staff are either blatantly reckless or malicious in their behavior, the waitress is not to blame for your child's actions. The people at IHOP are not your babysitters. If they offered you $750, take it, and leave them alone.

Besides, if the place was moldy and nasty, then why did you go there in the first place?

...do you realize that IHOP is a corporation that I'm sure could afford a team of lawyers!
They would NEVER settle if they didn't think they were wrong. IHOP may not think they're 100% wrong, but wrong to some extent.
Please direct us (the readers) to just one corporation that has settle for a monetary amount, but also claims no responsibility...that makes no sense.

IHOP may or may not have admitted wrong doing. Often times these types of things are settled with no admitted wrong doing just to do away with the situation.

So while IHOP did pay, they may not have said quote my bad unquote.

Where did they contradict their story? You fail to mention that. Only point out misspelled words. I myself have an IQ over 250, and have misspelled a word or two..it's called human nature (especially when you're typing fast).
The anger comes from their child being hurt, and to me seems to make their story more believable, not less believable...duh.

I don't know what restaurants you go to, but the ones I've went to have EXTREMELY hot gravy..it sits on a burner all day...where do you go?
You also say "they continue to respond to these posts," and in the next sentence you say "they seem to have stopped responding"...You seem to be contradicting yourself.

Ummm, pot, meet kettle:)

obviously IHOP has admitted wrong doing if they settled with them. They would have fought it till the end if they thought they did no wrong..right?

MOSTLY, how is there anything funny about a baby being scalded..do you understand the pain of that. No wonder the parents are crazy with fury. Any NORMAL parent would be. Are you a parent? And what other posts are you talking about that mention Dale and April?...Are you taking pot...should only be smoked by intelligent people:)

I don't know what to believe, Dale and April contradict their story so many times who knows what is true or what is lies? April says she has an IQ of 278 but yet she can't spell to save her life and it is true there has never been a recorded IQ that high. The anger that both of them show for everyone that doesn't believe them is off the chart and with children they need to have more patience than they show or maybe we are their outlet to blow of steam. I think there is a shared responsibility here both from the parents and the server, and management to the whole incident. Personally every restaurant I go to the gravy is never hot enough. Two days after a accident that April incurred massive injuries she goes to a restaurant? That doesn't seem like an intelligent decision especially someone with a IQ 278 (sic). The way Dale and April attack people and then profess to not understand why people call them names is ludicrous, they bring it on themselves by continuing to respond to these posts, although they seem to have stopped responding. Dale said they could not say what the final settlement was due to a confidentiality agreement then later bashes Karlton for getting information from and IHOP exec that he said violates that agreement but that agreement doesn't pertain to the victim. I hope their child is okay, if he actually was injured, I am not sure I believe their story, but this was absolutely the funniest thing I have ever seen on the internet, it is a great soap opera. I look forward to investigating the other posts that have been mentioned about them to see if Dale and April have ANY credibility

I hope everything has been resolved for you. It is common sense not to set anything even warm in front of an infant. No matter the age. I have and still work in the hospitality industry. As a server with or without children of your own, you know not to set anything warm in front kids under the age of 6. For those that do not understand, a plate of gravy is just as hot or hotter still than a cup of lukewarm coffee. On the skin of a small child that is multplied by 3 at least. To the family I wish you the best of luck

Hi all,

I don't think anybody is trying to be mean. I just don't think this situation makes much sense. The original poster says the waitress put gravy down in front of the toddler, but what does that mean???

For example: Was the toddler in a highchair? Or was the toddler in an adults lap? Or was the toddler sitting on the booth, or in a booster seat?

If the toddler was in a highchair and the waitress put down hot gravy on the highchair eating surface, that would definitely be neglect.

If the toddler was seated on an adults lap, both the waitress and the adult would be neglectful.

There's simply not enough information for anybody to be for, or against the situation without knowing all the fact, FIRST.

And I really do very much agree with the Editor. So many will jump in without knowing the full information, make their stabs at people who truly are victims and then victimize them further. Honestly, someone victimized who comes here to file a report doesn't always put all the info in, at first. But why do they have to anyway? It's not their job to satisfy all the nosy people who insert their snouts constantly, it seems, into other peoples misfortunes. Peace and Love.

Wow... where to begin? I can't believe there were so many childish puns and finger pointing. First, with a situation a serious as this one why should it matter if there is a typo or misspelled word? And yes, there is a difference. Secondly, for someone to say that it was a parents fault, just exasperates me. I myself, have children. I have two, ages 3 and 8. I have been to restaurants many times with my children. I would have my youngest in a high-chair while my oldest would wildly want to have my direct undivided attention.

If there is anyone out there who can say that they themselves watch their children AT ALL TIMES, is a d**n liar. There is always that one moment where something or someone has your attention whether it be your other child or your spouse. Being a parent, when one of your children get hurt you automatically go through the whole, I should have been paying attention, I should have listened better, or I should have said no... but it doesn't matter what happens, we feel that way because we are their parents. We are supposed to protect them and keep them from getting hurt.

But as a waitress serving food in a restaurant you should know that young children always grab hands first and it is a reaction to take it straight to the mouth. It doesn't matter if you have children or not, no I don't think that should matter. A person working as a waitress should well know not to set plates down in front of children, regardless the age of the waitress. I have NEVER been to a restaurant where I have a waitress that has set a plate down in front of my child. The waitress usually hands me the plates and says "Please be careful, it's hot" or something to that effect. So, there is fault on her end. That is part of her job, handing out the food and setting the food down.

Dale and April, I am so sorry that you would have to go through that and your poor child. I can't even being to imagine the pain that your child would go through. I hope that your child is well and that you have found some peace with all of this mess.

I try to teach my children patience and to behave properly, but lets face it... when you put a toddler into a high-chair, do you tell them to blow on their food before they eat it? Sure they do, maybe when they're 3, but not 15 months. I maybe the only parent who did this, but I would wait until his food was cool, then I would set him into his high-chair and give him his food, READY to eat. He would proceed with picking his food up with his fingers and eat. I did not teach my child restraint, especially when it came to his food and his chair. When food was placed on the top of his chair, he knew it was ready to be eaten. How is a 15 month old to decipher whether the food is hot or not, when they are at a table and food is placed in front of them?

Adults should be ashamed for saying 'you let your child'. I have no problem accepting fault when it's at my door, but let me tell you, this is absurd!

I opened this report, I saw it was from 2002 and there's a crazy amount of post. I read the top few, and yeah, people come on here to bash the original poster down. I've gotten use to the people that come on here, act like stroke bags for their own amusement.

I know this happend like 5 years ago, but the best thing would of been to call the police and report the injury when it happend, I've learned that the hard way.

i can not beleive all of these adults acting the way they are, i sat here and read everyone of these responds, and i can not beleive grown adults would act like this over this poor child that got burnt, and a witness that even seen it, i do not blame this family for what they did, i would of done the same thing plus more, i have to agree with some of the others that said they would of hit that manager if he talked to me like that, which i would not of had to because my husband would of went off on his a*s and he d**n sure would of known it when he got his a*s a good ole southern a*s kickin!!!!, this was not these parents fault at all so leave them alone, this makes me sick, i have 2 girls that are grown now, and have 2 grandchildren one 9 and one 5 and if something like this ever happened to one of our children or our grandchildren my husband and i would of went off on someone and this family tried to handle this in every manner way they could, for good sake they had a witness that witnessed it. SO LEAVE THEM THE HELL ALONE!!!! it has been 5 d**n years now, GROW UP, well all i have left to say about this family is god bless you and your children and i hope to god people will leave you alone so you can go on with your lives and have a nice thanksgiving, happy holidays to you both and your children.

i cant believe im seeing this many people say that this is the parents fault.

its not that easy to stop a instant reaction that kids have to certain things..

i frequently take my kids out to eat...and every time the waiter/waitress bring food out...they always say..."be careful its hot"..they don't put the flaming fajitas in front of the children..because they know what will happen!

if ihop was in the business for selling cold food..why would anyone eat there?? I dont think this was gravy flavored ice cream!

you people can pick apart this story a million ways...

it makes you wish you had a camera guy following you around to video tape everything..just so you can prove a d**n point!

that waitress ran away because she knew she was about to get b*&*& slapped from an agry mom!
its hard to control anger when a child gets hurt..anyone with children knows that!!

don't talk to the insurance people, have your attorney do it...IHOP is terrible, I went in there ONCE and the servers were arguing LOUDLY with the manager and the cooks, I heard atleast 3 dishes smash the floor in anger, when we told the manager at the time we were paying our bill that it was rude and we would like a comment card she said "yeah I'm sorry about them" it was HER causing the drama and commotion! the nerve!

sue them, sue them for whatever you can just because they are dicking you around, DO NOT TALK TO THEM ANYMORE you are only giving them info they can use against you, period end of story.

Too long, didn't read.

In my visits to I-hop they can vary widely.
Some will have great service, others will strand you for an hour with no wait staff anywhere.

Here's what I find odd. Maybe they train people differantly in your part of the country, but in the Cleveland area, they train their wait-staff to make sure nothing sharp, hot or potentially dangerous be anywhere near young children.

When we went to Ihop when my nephew was about 12 months old, the hostest moved the untensils and glass objects away from his area and when she brought coffee, she set that away from him. "they can be grabby, you know." she said. We thanked and tipped her well for being so thoughtful. She simply said she was trained that way at Ihop.

Even (((ROR REDACTED COMPETITORS NAME))) uses more common sense than that.
I wish the best for your child.

sorry, allowing you to give a competitors name would instigate others to just file against their competition, to only come back later to suggest their company your comments on this policy are welcome! CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.

I have been to IHOP a few times hoping service would be better but no such luck I gave up on them long ago. I myself have a young daughter and if something like that ever happened to her I would be doing the same thing you are right now. kids are curious and I know with my daughter she likes touching everything to see what it is all about. I also know the condition of your sons burns I also took a little girl to a hospital for second and third degree burns and the blisters on her had were horrible and is very possible for some who think it isn't. I know your not just saying a bunch of crapp just to say it because I myself have been in similar situations. Besides that who would go through all the trouble just to say it ya know. Anyways, I hope all works out for you and hope you son is doing better. Best of luck

Gina
slidell,la

I have to point out the fact that it is your responsibility to protect your child from harm. If your child is grabby, you should have anticipated this and moved the hot coffee, gravy, and anything else that is potentially hazardous. Your server is not accountable for your child, you are.
Although I can sympathize with what happened, I am a restaurant manager and see people who let their children run rampant, leaving them unattended, or are too distracted to even notice what their spawn is getting into. I can't tell you how many parents get upset because I politely ask them to control their children. I had a child pick up a side plate, bang it on the table and cut herself, this is the same sort of unfortunate incident as this... yet first ones the parents blame is the restaurant. We just serve food and most is supposed to be served hot! We aren't in this business to watch your children.

Lady, what type of disablility does he have now that his hands were burned? I have aspberger syndrome, and I got that from birth, not by burning my hands...

Another thing: YOU are responsible for YOUR baby's actions.

I sensed something fishy in your story

After reading less than half of these posts, I must say that Dale, learn some respect and order a side dish of responsibility with that.

However, I agree that the waitress definitely shouldn't have put the dish in front of your infant, and from having a younger sister and a nephew that was constantly in my mom's care not long ago (he is now four), it isn't hard to realize that anything in a young child's reach WILL be taken by them.

Dale, I will quote you so that you or your wife can't say that I shoved words into your mouth- "As for the employee, if it's too much for you to do your job, I sugest you find some other sort of work. My hands were full from moving every other plate away from my son, when a server ius too lazy to move from one side of a table to the next and expects an infant to have ALL and EVERYONE else's food infront of them, come on give me a break. Think first people! Once again, we did everything we could have, the server was incompetent to say the least. If you serve like this girl did, I doubt very seriously that you've never had a problem, especially with the attitude you've shown in your writing."

If your hands were full, you should have spoken up to the waitress to tell her that she's handing out too much food at one time. If you had done this, problems would have most likely been prevented. Also, it's pretty ironic how instead of getting your precious infant URGENT medical help, picking a fight with the manager was more important. Yes, the manager and waitress were b*tches, but any child's well-being is more important than arguing about something.

Don't get me wrong; I've had many injuries before- countless bruises strains and sprains from high school colorguard alone, and broken bones from when I was a child... you name it. No one was to blame for those injuries- for example, when I first started out on weapon line for colorguard, I did a high toss, caught the rifle, and ended up with a dislocated thumb- however, my form wasn't correct. Was I supposed to sue the rifle I tossed and caught, or sue the rifle captain? OF COURSE NOT! My point is that accidents happen although the staff at IHOP should have done more for you. I hope your child is doing better, and I wish for the best.

I want to say that I have raised three children who were frequently taken out to restaurants, and yes, IHop was one of them.

It is the parents responsibility to see that things are not put within reach of small children and not the responsibility of the server or the restaurant.

Too many people today do not want to accept responsibility for their actions or non-actions. Most of it boils down to common sense. You should have taken the child into the rest room and run his hands under the cold water.

My daughter at age 2 fell at a lake we were picnicing at and in putting her hands out to catch herself inadvertently placed the palm of one hand on some hot charcoal that some IDIOT dumped in the grass. Even though we put cold water on it immediately she got a serious burn. We treated this burn with an antibiotic ointment and it healed without any infection and the scar that was left faded away as she got older.
Sorry, but as you can see I am siding with the restaurant. People today are too quick to blame someone else when they fail to be alert themselves.

Well, after having spent the last few hours reading this entire report and comment, I felt that I really had to join simply to add my opinion. Even though it is something like 4 years old by now.

1. In my opinion, the blame lies with the parents of the child. The waitress may not have been entirely smart in placing the hot dish in front of the child, but having served as a waitress, I know how hectic things can get. I also know that it is not the serving staff's job to supervise children in the restaurant. Your children are your responsibility. Nobody else's. Yes, I know that it's impossible to watch children every second - but if you, the child's parent's couldn't do it, how could you expect the waitress to?

2. There are so many inconsistencies in April and Dale's story it's hard to know what to believe. *First, there's the
"...we did take him directly to the hospital; the triage nurse took him directly to her office and looked at him. She left us and went to talk to the ER doctor who had to call the house pediatrician. Anyway, we were told the same thing his doctor said, there was nothing they could do, and we could only keep putting cold water on his fingers to try to sooth them."
but later
"...Yes, my wife did take him to the ER, but it was to NO AVAIL!" and "...Again, this has been done and over with for sometime. You don't live where I do, you can not run to an ER, they will turn you away unless you're dying. Our local ER does not see anyone for burns. I already know this to be a fact as I had 3rd degree burns from a TV dinner and was told to go see my doctor the next day. That my doctor could tell me where to go next."
Actually, there's another inconsistency.
*Dale says that he recieved 3rd degree burns from a TV dinner on 7/8/2004 12:04:39 AM, and yet on the 7/12/2004 7:26:45 AM he says "...As for my wife getting 3rd degree burns from a TV dinner, she did."
Um. So who was it that got the thir degree burns from the dinner? Dale or his wife?
*Apparently, according to Dale, "My wife holds several degrees..." and yet she spells moron as 'moran', tried as 'TRYED', apparently as 'appearently', and uses the term 'rebuttal' (a noun) as a verb, instead of using 'rebut'. I'm fairly sure that most high school students could work out that the sentence "Then you can put your report on this site so that I can rebuttal" is incorrect. And those examples of horrendous grammar and spelling are just form one post, made on 11/7/2002 6:50:42 AM.
I may be wrong, since I only hold one degree, but I thought someone who held two would at least be able to spell and use grammar correctly.

3. As for the claim of 3rd degree burns, I find it utterly preposterous. "Skin with a third-degree burn may appear white or black and leathery on the surface. Because the nerve endings in the skin are destroyed, the burned area may not be painful." Also "**All third-degree burns require medical treatment.** Very minor third-degree burns can be treated in a doctor's office, but all others should be considered a medical emergency that requires hospital treatment, usually in a burn unit. Call 911, or get the person to an emergency room as soon as possible. Most third-degree burns require hospitalization."
If the child was screaming, was not immersed in the gravy for a long period of time and had blistering, his burns would have been second degree at worst.

4. You also said , on 10/29/2002 9:14:24 PM "...'they have allowed me...to offer you $750 for a full andf final settlement of his bodily injury claim.'
Is this man that stupid? My son would not have grabbed the gravy if the moran didn't place it in front of him. At 15 months, if you put anything in front of a small child they will pick up or play with it. ...That's OK though, we've signed with an attorney that is planning to take this as far as possible ...I hope my son receives all he can and IHOP pays out of the a**. The more I think about how egotistical and arogant this Ned Cotter is, the more I want my son to provail. How can they possibly put ...this small of an amount for that, on what they did?"
and yet on 8/8/2003 4:14:50 AM you said "...The only thing we asked for when this started was an apology from IHOP for what happened with my son and the manager not allowing us to leave."

In short: Dale and April, (if you are in fact genuine,) you need to take responsibility for your child, get your story straight and stop trying to place the blame on other people for an accident that was most definately not their fault.
Reading through all these comments, I have to say that the majority of the time you have acted in an incredibly immature and hostile fashion, especially to some people who were simply trying to give you good advice. I think you both need to grow up, learn to swallow your pride, and, quite simply, get over yourselves.

i would also like to add that where I live, this would be considered utterly preposterous. I think much of the reason this went so far is simply because of the attitude of some (not all) of America's society, in that so many people seem to think "Oh my god, you INTENTIONALLY hurt me/my son/my husband/my neighbours dog, you must pay me all the money. ALL the money. Immediately!"
In New Zealand, we accept that accidents happen, and I think you need to learn that too.

Thanks Nicole for pointing out what I thought all along was the obvious, the immediate treatment for burns is to flush the area with water. If there was none on the table, I would have grabbed some off another table or ran with the child to the restroom. Using a dry napkin does nothing and could potentially lead to infection if bits of the napkin remain in the burn. The second thing to do if a child is involved is to seek medical attention, not dicker over the bill and get names to be used later. You could always go back later to get the names.

I would also like to point out that there is no blistering with a third degree burn and usually no pain since the burn is so deep that the nerves are gone. This was more than likely a second degree burn which will be bright red and "weepy". They usually heal in about 3 weeks. I had a second degree burn I got from the element in the oven of my electric stove. I flushed it with water, applied a wet dressing which I changed daily and it healed without a scar. Yes, I know a child is more delicate but flushing with water (which also reduces swelling) would have gone a long way to minimize permanent damage.

To the OP..yes, I agree your child was injured and I'm not going to debate who is at fault. I think you both need to take a course in basic first aid. If you had applied the basic tenets of first aid, you may have avoided serious complications.

I happen to be one of those idiotic morons who work for IHOP. First of all the blame for this incident lies not with the company but with the server. It was wrong to put hot OR cold food in front of a toddler. I however find it difficult to believe that everyone in your party was holding their food in the air. And that the only food placed on the table was in front of the toddler(and by the way toddler and infant imply two totally diffrent age groups). At no point should this have been allowed on either the server or YOUR part.

Then comes the question as to why someone did not immediately take the child to the nearest sink and rinse the gravy off as opposed to using a napkin to wipe the childs hands. I also find it hard to believe that with the child screaming as you say no one in that restaurant came to help. Staff or other customers. We also have to pose the question as to, with such burns as you describe, why you would wait to pay your bill or argue with the manager BEFORE taking the child to the hospital. It takes one person to talk to a manager or pay a bill not an entire table. In that situation it would also be entirely understandable for 911 to be called. At what point did the bill become more important than the welfare of the child?


So in my opinion the only thing you deserve is for the hospital bills for that day and possibly the follow up visits to be payed. And not anything more. I'd also like to say that for you to wish pain and suffering on any other child simply because someone has a diffrent opinion than you is sick. Karma is a hell of a thing but it will come back on you. Have some respect for other people and stop thinking of what you can get out of your childs suffering. I am anxious to hear any kind of response you may have. Please feel free to e-mail me directly.

I just want to say a couple of things. I have only read about 3/4 of this very tedious thread and just had to comment. I myself AM a lawyer, but I am not here to give legal advice, only to make some hopefully constructive comments.

To the parents, I'm not saying that you ARE this way, but you COME OFF as rather money hungry, and for lack of a better word, ignorant. It does not help to call everyone bad names and wish bad things on their children. More importantly, when you want a lawyer to take you seriously, or more importantly, a judge or jury, you want to answer questions clearly and express your concerns. Additionally, it doesn't come off well when you tie your son burning his hand to a developmental disability, autism, and cerebral palsy. I sounds like you are just ringing up the dollar signs in your head. Also, I believe it was Howard that asked some very legitimate questions. Why, if the burns were so bad, did it take you 30 minutes to leave? I cannot understand that part at all, nor can I understand why there would be suck bickering over the bill. If nothing else, I would have just tossed the manager a 20 and bolted out the door. Lastly, everyone that has criticism is not an IHOP employee. If I were an IHOP employee, I would not race to their defense automatically. I have seen numerous complaints by employees of companees. It's not like the waitresses are earning large portions of stock. I was quick to give criticism when it was warranted regarding my former employer.

I think that this was an honest mistake by the waitress. You get what you pay for. I don't know who expects perfect service for a $5.99 meal. The waitresses are probably in high school or college with know children and rushing around to maximize tips in order to offset their $3/hr. wage. Ultimately, you are the one who is responsible for making sure that your child does not grab something hot, and should be willing to take some responsibility for that. In the service industry, you really get what you pay for, and rather than trying to get money for someone's attitude problem, you should focus on helping your son. If I could get money for every time I had rude service, or even incompetent service, I would retire now at the ripe old age of 26.

I hope that you learned from this experience, and it helps you to handle people and situations better in the future.

I AM AN EMPLOYEE OF IHOP.

I MUST SAY I AGREE WITH THIS INCIDENT THAT HAS OCCURED, I RECALL SOMEONE SAYING THE GRAVY BEING 2OO DEGREES??

ACTUALLY ABOUT 180, ON THE STEAM TABLE.

WE SERVE OUR FOOD IMMEDIATELY AFTER BEING COOKED.

THIS DEAL ABOUT GRAVY AND AIR; COOLING; TOTALLY RIDICULOUS!!

I GET BURNS THAT TURN BUBBLY ON MY FOREARM JUST CARRYING THE PLATES OUT TO THE TABLES!!

SO AN INFANT/TODDLER WOULD HAVE EASILY SUSTAINED 2CD AND 3RD DEGREE BURNS.

THE GRAVY IS HARD TO GET OFF WHILE IT IS BURNING INTO YOUR FLESH, OUR EXPO HAD SOME GRAVY DRIBBLE OFF THE PLATE ONTO HER ARM AND BURNT HER, IT DOESN'T WIPE OFF AS EASILY AS YOU THINK.

AS FAR AS THE WAITRESS, IT WAS HER FAULT; IN TRAINING YOU ARE SPECIFICALLY TOLD THAT, DO NOT PUT ANYTHING HOT IN FRONT OF SMALL CHILDREN.

SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE TABLE BEING FULL; NONSENSE, SHE IS TO BLAME TO THE FULLEST.

IT TAKES TWO SECONDS AND IGNORANCE OF A LITTLE TITTY BOPPER WORKING FOR IHOP FOR AN ACCIDENT LIKE THIS TO OCCUR.

I HAVE WORKED FOR IHOP NOW FOR THREE YEARS, WE HAVE NEVER HAD AN INCIDENT LIKE THIS IN OUR RESTARAUNT, BUT I BELIEVE THIS WAS TRAMATIC FOR THE LITTLE BOY; AS WELL AS HIS MOTHER.

THANKFULLY HE IS YOUNG AND WILL NOT REMEMBER WHAT HE HAD WENT THROUGH.

YES, I DO HAVE A DAUGHTER MYSELF, 2 IN FEBRUARY, AND SHE STILL GRABS ANYTHING THAT IS SET IN FRONT OF HER, SO THOSE OF YOU BLAMING A LITTLE BABY FOR DOING WHAT THERE INSTICTS TELL THEM TO DO, YOU'RE WRONG IN THE FULLEST.

THESE BABIES DO NOT KNOW TOUCHING HOT FOOD IS GOING TO BURN THEIR TINY HANDS NOR DO THEY EVEN KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOT AND COLD.

THE AUTISM I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, SO I HAVE NO CLUE.

BUT I DO KNOW IHOP GRAVY IS THAT HOT, I HAVE 2 SCARS TO PROVE THEY SERVE HOT FOOD!!

LEAVE THIS WOMAN AND HER CHILD ALONE PLEASE.

I read part of the story and some of the rebuttals and nowhere in your story do you mention a toddler highchair. You may have forgot to mention it or you may have not put him in one. I don't have any kids but I do have a nephew who is less than 2 and when i take him to a restaurant I get him a high chair and securely fasten him into it and make sure he is 2 feet away from the table. Highchairs have there own little tables for the toddlers food to be put and it is put there by the parents. Any restaurant up here would be shut down if they put the food on the highchair table. I don't know what your situation was but from the sounds of it you had your son at the table with you where he had access to the table. If you did then it is not the fault of the server it is your gross negligence that caused the accident. I am not saying IHOP is not at fault they should have been more careful where they place the food when me and and my family order they put what ever was ordered in front of the person that ordered it. But if your son was at the table with you which is probably the case from how the story is told then it is parental negligence it does not sound like he was in a highchair because if a server put anything on a highchair table then they would be held criminally liable for endangering the safety of a minor and you would win by a landslide in a court of law. All restaurants have highchairs even macdonalds so saying they don't have highchairs won't work either.

Marc,

These are the same parents who sit around and play xbox and PS2 all day long, then complain that the circuit city in which they bought them are racist.

Maybe these 2 should spend less time in front of the TV and blaming everyone else when something bad happens to them, and start taking control of their lives, and act like adults.

But, that won't happen, because it's easier to blame someone else instead of solve your own problems.

So, April and Dale, how are things going with the racist against white people circuit city that employs a lot of white customer service reps?

I've raised 7 kids, and I've never let them grab things off the table, whether it be gravy, forks, knives, or glass objects. You should have moved the gravy yourself because YOU are responsible 100% of the time. Then you sue IHOP because you're too busy stuffing your face to watch your kid. Thanks for driving our prices up and I'm glad you'll stay out of IHOP. I think they should even serve you with a "no trespass" notice.

My mother was 14 years old, and making dinner for her family. And before anyone gets uptight about her age remember this was in the 50's so children did not lay around doing nothing at home. She was making beef gravy and as she was carrying the bowl to the table it slipped out of her hands. As she foolishly when to grab it she got a handful of gravy. She spent one week in the hospital with her hands bandaged and she still has the scars. Unlike boiling water gravy sticks to the skin and does not cool off. It is just like grease, candy, all which will burn longer and do more damage than water. If you cook you know these things. What made it worse is there was no contact with running water immediatly. So every second it was on the skin it was burning deeper in the skin.

Before you agree with anyone who is more than happy to castigate April and Dale, you should read ripoff's 62072, 64253, 83476, and 96400.

These four should be considered supplemental reading and they completely changed my opinion of the IHOP scenario. The inconsistencies that you refer toI found them to be more than simple inconsistencies. There are significant blank spots in this threadmissing posts, I thought. The first time I read itit didn't even make sense and I lost interest. Dale and April seem like they get really angry, right out of the chute, and for no good reason. Then I stumbled onto these four reportsOhhhh. Enlightenment. I'd be pissed and defensive too.

I read the entire Waldorf Ford scenario after reading these also. I'm in the business (be careful what you reveal about yourself) and reading what they went through regarding their Focuslet's just say that they do not deserve all of the responses that they got there. And to be told not to come back to a dealership isn't all that uncommon. If the Service Manager thinks, or rather, insists that the high pitched whine isn't coming from your car, he can elect not want to do business with you. My mother has a vehicle that she has to bring to Denver (2 hour 1-way drive) for any warranty concerns for this very reason.

I agree with Robin, Jacqueline, and Michelle. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that these ladies were on to something and but that they needed to look outside this board. What was happening politically and economically in April of '03? Whose IPO was being launched in April of 03? It's an idea

For the strictly sabotage angle, I'm also casting my vote for someone from Tupper Lake. ED has some history there, to say in the least. Look at the current physical state of his former real estate holdings. These buildings have fallen in disrepair and I'm quite certain that whoever owns them has allowed them to deteriorate simply because of reduced property taxes.

Certain prominent people in Tupper Lake probably wouldn't mind seeing this site go down in smoke. I, for one, have had some very spicy commentary regarding the personal parking situation and have been a bit aggressive in pursuing the fine details.

The report filed from Altamonte Springs, FloridaI'm suspicious. I'm currently writing a book that takes place in the Adirondack region. Tupper Lake was formerly known as Altamont and while there is such place in Florida, it's in the Orlando outskirts like most of the towns from which the flamers hail.

So before you form an opinion--enjoy reading.

Now--since I'm new to the site and generally just skim, I'm going to research some of the other scams posted by April & Dale. Hope I have time enough to finish them before midnight, but it's noon already and I'll have to take time out to eat two meals during that time. This tome is filled with so many inconsistencies, I hope I get as big a laugh out of the others.

Okay I would like to start by saying that I am an ex-employee of the IHOP restaurant in Columbia, MO. I have filed my own rip-off report also relating to the burns that I suffered while working at this location.

I cannot believe some of the rebuttals that have been posted to this report. Espescially the ones stating that there is no way a person could suffer those kind of burns from a serving of IHOP's biscuits and gravy. Having worked as a cook ther I assure that it is very possible. This mixture if fresh (which is rare but does happen every once in a while I am sure) has just come straight of off the grill which is over 400 degrees. This gravy comes to the store in a bag in powdered form. It is mixed into boiling hotwater and then place into a steam table with boiling water underneath it. As far as it sticking to the childs hands this is also very likely. The steam table by IHOP regulations is cleaned at the end of every shift. (except in most cases at the end of the night shift where they are busy mixing pancake batter from bags that at our store sat in the dishwashing room causing them to get moist and attract bugs to the holes that formed in the bags. While they are supposed to cycle these bags and use the oldest ones first our store was always very busy and just usually grabbed the top bag in the morning until monday (the day before deliveries) where we generally used the last bag. At any rate while cleaning the steam table the containers including green beans, spaghetti sauce, corn, mashed potatoes, vegetable blend, brown gravy, BISCUIT GRAVY, and multiple other hot items are placed on the counter. This allows them to chill slightly and for the gravys to settle to the bottom a little bit making a thicker stickier pasty substance at the bottom. While policy does state that they are supposed to be poured into a new container before being placed back into the steam table I very rarely saw anybody do this. When we got busy and started to dip into the bottom of the bucket it became obviously thicker and being at the bottom of the bucket which is actually submerged into the boiling water just enough to keep from floating it is very very hot. Any server in their right mind should have placed this away from the child. They even provide small ramikens (not sure if that is spelled right) of syrup for childrens servings for the very reason that they sit in the warm storage near the heat lamps but dont come from the coffe style carafe which is microwaved on a regular basis. They specifically have policies in effect to avoid incidents like this from happening. However they only work if every server in the store follows them which I am sure doesn't happen in even one of their locations. While my suggestion may sound wierd I highly advise it, really it is up to you whether or not you are willing to do this. In my case, which I am also posting on this site, I contacted the lawyer team for Waffle House which may sound wierd but they have been very very helpful and even volunteered to take them on pro-bono as they are their biggest competitor. Also in some states this paper that you signed giving away your rights to sue later can be thrown out in the event that an appeal to the courts is approved.

My last comment goes to the people like Lou and Samantha that posted rude and ignorant comments. I am willing to pay you $750 USD to allow me to pour gravy onto your hands that has been allowed to thicken in boiling hot water. I think it may be worth it for the entertainment value, provided you sign a paper stating you wont sue because according to you 750 dollars is enough to cover the pain and suffering you will sustain from the burns. If this was to happen to your children you would also be very very upset and anybody who wouldnt should have their children taken away. A parents protection of their children is the strongest human instinct their is. Espescially in the case of mothers. This has been proven and in court cases there has even been precedents set where murder and manslaughter charges have been thrown out in cases where the parent felt their child was threatened. I feel for you April and hope you get what you deserve which is much much more than 750 dollars. I believe it should include any and all reconstructive surgeries as well to keep your child from having permanent visible marks left from this incident. I also sincerely hope that your child has healed well and continues to recover from this traumatic experience as that is as important as anything else that can come from this.

Timmy my lad April and Dale have been exposed over and over again here and in thier many many topics posted in the Rip Off Reports as scam artists. We all believed them when this first happened but if you will read thru the many threads you will see they are just dishonest nut jobs. I cant believe thier still spinning this web of horescrap.

I feel for the woman in this case i hope things have been rectified by now! and as far as anyone saying that a child of 15 months will heal and there will be no scars ohhhh sadly you are mistaken.. I was burned on my hands when I was 2 years old 3rd degree burn I am 36 yrs old and still have the scars. So please think before you speak.

A while back ago, I used to work for this company. I know they stink with the way they run business therefore I can show you a couple of ways to get back at them for what they have done to you and your sone.

Ihop corp owns more than 1200 stores nation wide. 95% of those stores operated by franchisees.

Now most of these franchisees don't know what the hell they are doing when it comes to labor department laws.

I have helped several others whom were looking for revenge just like your self and they succeeded with causing alots of pain and augony to these franchisees.

now thatw what you have to do.
you have to initiate a case with the labor department involving this particular Ihop store. you can do this by getting some one who works there to call the labor department (time and wage division)and tell them that they were not fully paid for the time they worked, or manager was clocking them out without their permission or they have deducted hours (or money in case the caller is a server) from their paycheck due to a customer walkout.

now this dosen't have to be true and remember that your goal is to initiate an investigation.
If you can not get some one to do this for your, you can imporsenate a person who works there but remember that you are going to need their full legal name and social security number. (labor department will never investigate you or mention your name to the company).

From my previose Ihop experience I know that almost no ihop franchisee was ever investigated by the labor department without been fined a large ammount of money (some fines reached up to 120k).

Most ihop franchisees depends on mexican help in the kitchen and from my experience with them I know that 85% of these mexicans are illegal and have no authorization to work in the united states. Just by calling the Immigration office and report this Illegal help this franchisee could be fined up to 15000 per each illegal employee he has working for him. even if he could prove that he didn't know about their legal status at least he won't have this help anymore and it will take him months to devolope new help and that translate to money in their case.

one more thing to cause them a headach is to call the helth department. remember that the helth department has to investigate every single reported incident by any caller by sending a helth inspector to the reported location.

found hair in my food
hot water in bathroom was not hot enough
no baby wipes in bathrooms
no ladies sanitary towels in ladies bathroom
flies in the restaurant
roaches in the restaurant
mold in restaurant
employees did not wash their hands after using the bathroom
cooks are not wearing gloves
cooks are not wearing hats
server who is pulling the food out of the window is not wearing a head cover
server has long finger nails
saw server wiping her hands on her auburn
food or salad tasted sour
food was not hot enough
chicken was not done from inside or frozen from inside
pork shop was bloody
found non food object in my food
server had body odor (smells)
my vegetables tasted like blood


remember that if some of the above sound silly to you but in fact it has a signeficant meaning to the helth department investigator.

you can also call the count cleark office and find out who pays taxes on a (give them the full address of that resturant)and report that company name to the better business bearu. that will hurt the owner when he tries to do business with companies which are members of the bbb.

i hope that will help you to get some of your degnity back and gives you some comfort.

A while back ago, I used to work for this company. I know they stink with the way they run business therefore I can show you a couple of ways to get back at them for what they have done to you and your sone.

Ihop corp owns more than 1200 stores nation wide. 95% of those stores operated by franchisees.

Now most of these franchisees don't know what the hell they are doing when it comes to labor department laws.

I have helped several others whom were looking for revenge just like your self and they succeeded with causing alots of pain and augony to these franchisees.

now thatw what you have to do.
you have to initiate a case with the labor department involving this particular Ihop store. you can do this by getting some one who works there to call the labor department (time and wage division)and tell them that they were not fully paid for the time they worked, or manager was clocking them out without their permission or they have deducted hours (or money in case the caller is a server) from their paycheck due to a customer walkout.

now this dosen't have to be true and remember that your goal is to initiate an investigation.
If you can not get some one to do this for your, you can imporsenate a person who works there but remember that you are going to need their full legal name and social security number. (labor department will never investigate you or mention your name to the company).

From my previose Ihop experience I know that almost no ihop franchisee was ever investigated by the labor department without been fined a large ammount of money (some fines reached up to 120k).

Most ihop franchisees depends on mexican help in the kitchen and from my experience with them I know that 85% of these mexicans are illegal and have no authorization to work in the united states. Just by calling the Immigration office and report this Illegal help this franchisee could be fined up to 15000 per each illegal employee he has working for him. even if he could prove that he didn't know about their legal status at least he won't have this help anymore and it will take him months to devolope new help and that translate to money in their case.

one more thing to cause them a headach is to call the helth department. remember that the helth department has to investigate every single reported incident by any caller by sending a helth inspector to the reported location.

found hair in my food
hot water in bathroom was not hot enough
no baby wipes in bathrooms
no ladies sanitary towels in ladies bathroom
flies in the restaurant
roaches in the restaurant
mold in restaurant
employees did not wash their hands after using the bathroom
cooks are not wearing gloves
cooks are not wearing hats
server who is pulling the food out of the window is not wearing a head cover
server has long finger nails
saw server wiping her hands on her auburn
food or salad tasted sour
food was not hot enough
chicken was not done from inside or frozen from inside
pork shop was bloody
found non food object in my food
server had body odor (smells)
my vegetables tasted like blood


remember that if some of the above sound silly to you but in fact it has a signeficant meaning to the helth department investigator.

you can also call the count cleark office and find out who pays taxes on a (give them the full address of that resturant)and report that company name to the better business bearu. that will hurt the owner when he tries to do business with companies which are members of the bbb.

i hope that will help you to get some of your degnity back and gives you some comfort.

A while back ago, I used to work for this company. I know they stink with the way they run business therefore I can show you a couple of ways to get back at them for what they have done to you and your sone.

Ihop corp owns more than 1200 stores nation wide. 95% of those stores operated by franchisees.

Now most of these franchisees don't know what the hell they are doing when it comes to labor department laws.

I have helped several others whom were looking for revenge just like your self and they succeeded with causing alots of pain and augony to these franchisees.

now thatw what you have to do.
you have to initiate a case with the labor department involving this particular Ihop store. you can do this by getting some one who works there to call the labor department (time and wage division)and tell them that they were not fully paid for the time they worked, or manager was clocking them out without their permission or they have deducted hours (or money in case the caller is a server) from their paycheck due to a customer walkout.

now this dosen't have to be true and remember that your goal is to initiate an investigation.
If you can not get some one to do this for your, you can imporsenate a person who works there but remember that you are going to need their full legal name and social security number. (labor department will never investigate you or mention your name to the company).

From my previose Ihop experience I know that almost no ihop franchisee was ever investigated by the labor department without been fined a large ammount of money (some fines reached up to 120k).

Most ihop franchisees depends on mexican help in the kitchen and from my experience with them I know that 85% of these mexicans are illegal and have no authorization to work in the united states. Just by calling the Immigration office and report this Illegal help this franchisee could be fined up to 15000 per each illegal employee he has working for him. even if he could prove that he didn't know about their legal status at least he won't have this help anymore and it will take him months to devolope new help and that translate to money in their case.

one more thing to cause them a headach is to call the helth department. remember that the helth department has to investigate every single reported incident by any caller by sending a helth inspector to the reported location.

found hair in my food
hot water in bathroom was not hot enough
no baby wipes in bathrooms
no ladies sanitary towels in ladies bathroom
flies in the restaurant
roaches in the restaurant
mold in restaurant
employees did not wash their hands after using the bathroom
cooks are not wearing gloves
cooks are not wearing hats
server who is pulling the food out of the window is not wearing a head cover
server has long finger nails
saw server wiping her hands on her auburn
food or salad tasted sour
food was not hot enough
chicken was not done from inside or frozen from inside
pork shop was bloody
found non food object in my food
server had body odor (smells)
my vegetables tasted like blood


remember that if some of the above sound silly to you but in fact it has a signeficant meaning to the helth department investigator.

you can also call the count cleark office and find out who pays taxes on a (give them the full address of that resturant)and report that company name to the better business bearu. that will hurt the owner when he tries to do business with companies which are members of the bbb.

i hope that will help you to get some of your degnity back and gives you some comfort.

Here we are, more than THREE YEARS after the fact, and people are still arguing with Dale & April about this situation.

Give it a rest already!

Dale,
I am confused at your response to my comments. My specific comment was that April herself wrote..
April's rebuttal on 8/7/2003 1:36:06 AM Modified: 8/7/2003 9:34:24 PM she did state Oh, As for the hospital question, we did take him directly to the hospital; the triage nurse took him directly to her office and looked at him. She left us and went to talk to the ER doctor who had to call the house pediatrician. Anyway, we were told the same thing his doctor said, there was nothing they could do, and we could only keep putting cold water on his fingers to try to sooth them. Placing bandages or medication on the burns would have been taken off and eaten by a 15-month-old. It wasn't until he developed an infection because of only being able to use water, before his doctor would do anything. And then, she could only write him a script for an oral antibiotic.


This specifically states that April did get into the ER with avail (treatment), but on your response you've stated...
OK, as for "Jen"; again, you're talking about 2003, it's 2005. Yes, my wife did take him to the ER, but it was to NO AVAIL! I took him the following AM to his doctor which again, like my wife was told, because fo his age and the damage already being done (e.g. IHOP refusing to allow us to leave); they couldn't do much of anything for him.

Confusing isn't it.... .(e.g. IHOP refusing to allow us to leave) Freedom of choice Choose to make sure no hot items are placed in front of your children, Choose to leave without your wife, choose to push your way through and get arrested for not paying your IHOP bill, choose to not take immediate action and provide immediate medical attention to your son, allowing him to be scalded for life.

Or my favorite, choose not to be served by octopus women, which she must have been to have set so many plates down at one time that four adults could not keep her from setting hot food in front of a baby. Or was it that she handed out so many plates at one time that the eight hands of the adults were ALL full. WOW she's fast.

As for no neglect on the parents, that, like your suggestion of neglect on the waitress, manager and IHOP's part is purely a matter of opinion. An opinion or judgment which your son should allow a jury to determine. Wouldn't you agree.

Karlton;

What happened, did I piss you off. I think we all know you've fabricated quite a bit here. You don't know anyone, more like you yourself work for IHOP. For now anyway.

Don't you ever call my son anything but his name. He's not "Mentally handicap" he's Autistic. There's a difference you idiot. And again, you can't read... as my WIFE, not myself, put it, "the doctor told us that this type of tramua caused his Autism....However we find that hard to believe." d**n you're stupid.

Stay to pushing your little pencils. Stop making claims you don't know about, but claim to, and get a life. Keep your head down low behind that little desk before your bosses at IHOP see you using company time to play "I wish I knew it all" on the internet. I think the only "Menatlly Handicap" person on this site is you.

Karlton;

What happened, did I piss you off. I think we all know you've fabricated quite a bit here. You don't know anyone, more like you yourself work for IHOP. For now anyway.

Don't you ever call my son anything but his name. He's not "Mentally handicap" he's Autistic. There's a difference you idiot. And again, you can't read... as my WIFE, not myself, put it, "the doctor told us that this type of tramua caused his Autism....However we find that hard to believe." d**n you're stupid.

Stay to pushing your little pencils. Stop making claims you don't know about, but claim to, and get a life. Keep your head down low behind that little desk before your bosses at IHOP see you using company time to play "I wish I knew it all" on the internet. I think the only "Menatlly Handicap" person on this site is you.

Karlton;

What happened, did I piss you off. I think we all know you've fabricated quite a bit here. You don't know anyone, more like you yourself work for IHOP. For now anyway.

Don't you ever call my son anything but his name. He's not "Mentally handicap" he's Autistic. There's a difference you idiot. And again, you can't read... as my WIFE, not myself, put it, "the doctor told us that this type of tramua caused his Autism....However we find that hard to believe." d**n you're stupid.

Stay to pushing your little pencils. Stop making claims you don't know about, but claim to, and get a life. Keep your head down low behind that little desk before your bosses at IHOP see you using company time to play "I wish I knew it all" on the internet. I think the only "Menatlly Handicap" person on this site is you.

Karlton;

What happened, did I piss you off. I think we all know you've fabricated quite a bit here. You don't know anyone, more like you yourself work for IHOP. For now anyway.

Don't you ever call my son anything but his name. He's not "Mentally handicap" he's Autistic. There's a difference you idiot. And again, you can't read... as my WIFE, not myself, put it, "the doctor told us that this type of tramua caused his Autism....However we find that hard to believe." d**n you're stupid.

Stay to pushing your little pencils. Stop making claims you don't know about, but claim to, and get a life. Keep your head down low behind that little desk before your bosses at IHOP see you using company time to play "I wish I knew it all" on the internet. I think the only "Menatlly Handicap" person on this site is you.

Your the one who got caught buddy. Shame on you for exploiting your mentally handicapped child. Even you had to back of the claim the hot gravy caused your child autism.

Next time, why not get a hot cup of coffee drive real fast hit the brakes and sue the company that brewed the coffee? Rather then dip your childs hand in somthing to claim IHOP did it?

I will say this at least your funny in trying to keep up your scam even though its over. Why not just come out and admit your sin?

What's wrong Karlton, hate to be proven wrong and made to loko like an idiot? That's exactly what has happened to you. I made it clear what was what, you have continued to lie about what you wish someone had given you.

WOW your Hotter then IHOP Gravey, you got caught in a scam you bilked some money out of it and now it haunts you. So sorry for you bud.

OK, as for "Jen"; again, you're talking about 2003, it's 2005. Yes, my wife did take him to the ER, but it was to NO AVAIL! I took him the following AM to his doctor which again, like my wife was told, because fo his age and the damage already being done (e.g. IHOP refusing to allow us to leave); they couldn't do much of anything for him.

As for Karlton; boy you have some serious IHOP butt kissing issues. I guess you're not very versed, or at all, in the legal system. This post was made prior to any said settlement with IHOP. Secondly, the internet does not apply in the "Breaching" of contract. However your BS conversations w/ said employee of IHOP is a "Breach" of contract. Third, if you were so previed to the 411 on this, you would have known that in accordance to our son's settlement, no where in it does it require us to "ciese and desist" (Keep our mouths shut), where as IHOP's local insurance company screwed up when making said Agreement as it stated that IHPO could not speak about this to anyone, no third parties, as this employee and yourself are known as. Confidentiality applies to the victim in this case, our son, it was not put in writing to apply to that of IHOP. But you continuously want to add whatever your "source" says, tell that person to have enough guts to respond. OH, but then that person would be fired. I think you're full of your own BS.

As to another response on why we didn't leave, etc. OK
And finally, one other response, stating that this person hopes our son sues us for neglect. What part can you not read??? In no way was this our neglect. I'm not gonna' sit here and argue about something so utterly stupid.

Some of you really need to learn to read. Get on with your life, we sure as hell have. I don't have time to sit here and continue with the same song and dance because someone couldn't read. If you've been on this site long enough, you'd know that the post always stands, however, after some time, updates and rebuttals are removed.

I'm not here to judge whether this story is true or false but here's a common sense view. First, I don't understand the whole they wouldn't let me leave the restaurant claim. If my little daughter was injured and I needed to get her to the hospital you better believe I'm getting her there. If some lame restaurant manager continues to block my path then he's getting a punch square in his face. Secondly, this is a situation where you should of contacted an attorney immediately.

You don't try to negotiate with IHOP Corporate or their insurance company by yourself. Thirdly, if you didn't eat anything what are you waiting there to pay a bill for? On top of that if the injuries to your child where as bad as you claim who would be hanging around a resturant trading words with some idiot restaurant manager?

I would be freaking out and putting the pedal to the metal to get my child to the hospital. Again I'm not here to say the story is a lie but some of the stuff in your story makes no sense.

I'm not here to judge whether this story is true or false but here's a common sense view. First, I don't understand the whole they wouldn't let me leave the restaurant claim. If my little daughter was injured and I needed to get her to the hospital you better believe I'm getting her there. If some lame restaurant manager continues to block my path then he's getting a punch square in his face. Secondly, this is a situation where you should of contacted an attorney immediately.

You don't try to negotiate with IHOP Corporate or their insurance company by yourself. Thirdly, if you didn't eat anything what are you waiting there to pay a bill for? On top of that if the injuries to your child where as bad as you claim who would be hanging around a resturant trading words with some idiot restaurant manager?

I would be freaking out and putting the pedal to the metal to get my child to the hospital. Again I'm not here to say the story is a lie but some of the stuff in your story makes no sense.

I'm not here to judge whether this story is true or false but here's a common sense view. First, I don't understand the whole they wouldn't let me leave the restaurant claim. If my little daughter was injured and I needed to get her to the hospital you better believe I'm getting her there. If some lame restaurant manager continues to block my path then he's getting a punch square in his face. Secondly, this is a situation where you should of contacted an attorney immediately.

You don't try to negotiate with IHOP Corporate or their insurance company by yourself. Thirdly, if you didn't eat anything what are you waiting there to pay a bill for? On top of that if the injuries to your child where as bad as you claim who would be hanging around a resturant trading words with some idiot restaurant manager?

I would be freaking out and putting the pedal to the metal to get my child to the hospital. Again I'm not here to say the story is a lie but some of the stuff in your story makes no sense.

All arguments aside, I find this claim by one of the original authors to be completely amazing. If this claim was in fact true, then she would be listed in numerous publications and enjoy a bit of notoriety as a result. The highest recorded IQ in history is 228 and belongs to Marilyn vos Savant.

But,,,, one would think that a person who alleges to possess an IQ higher than that of the person with the higest recorded IQ would at least have a stronger grasp on spelling relatively simple english words....

If NEITHER side can say a word then you breached first here i=on RIP OFF REPORT. Thus I am sure you will be happy to send them back their money.

Karlton, You may have some convenced of your utter BS, but you're way off. My wife is a Paralegal. In any settlement agreement, neither sides can discuse the actual "Case" to any outsiders, aside from what is already known (E.g. this report). You continue to claim that your "friend" gave you information on this case. You're full of it. It NEVER took us 3 weeks to file with IHOP. That was noted the following day by Karen White, the claims person for this area, as she called us. Their insurance guy never came out for 3 weeks, so get your facts straight. You see if your "Friend" gave you information, that puts IHOP in the possition of us being legally intitled to suing them for breach of contract. I doubt a company as money hungry as IHOP would appreciate that.

If someone really gave you the 411 on this case, you'd already know that their insurance man took pictures of the scars. If you knew how to read, you'd know the how and why our son didn't go to the doctor that night. When someone is burned, by IHOP not allowing us to leave, the damage was already done.

There are some seriously stupid people on this site. But Karlton, I'll be sure to notify IHOP's corporate office of your "claims." I'm sure if you really have a friend who wants to give "false" information to you, that firend would really appreciate you getting them fired.

Again, this is well over 3 years old, grow up!

In regards to your son's option to file suit when he becomes of age Your previous post stated: And if their still in business when my son's of age and he chooses to file suit against them, I do wish him all the luck and will be sitting there to see IHOP go down.

I agree that he should pursue suits against all those found negligent and would hope that you fully educate your child on his rights to sue the waitress, the manager AND THE PARENTS (YOU) for negligent acts causing bodily injury. (i.e. Allowing him to have access to the item and for not providing immediate access to a medical attention.)

I am a little confused about the medical attention as in April's rebuttal on 8/7/2003 1:36:06 AM Modified: 8/7/2003 9:34:24 PM she did state Oh, As for the hospital question, we did take him directly to the hospital; the triage nurse took him directly to her office and looked at him. She left us and went to talk to the ER doctor who had to call the house pediatrician. Anyway, we were told the same thing his doctor said, there was nothing they could do, and we could only keep putting cold water on his fingers to try to sooth them. Placing bandages or medication on the burns would have been taken off and eaten by a 15-month-old. It wasn't until he developed an infection because of only being able to use water, before his doctor would do anything. And then, she could only write him a script for an oral antibiotic.

Yet in all other posts the next day is mentioned. In fact Dale states the following: Again, this has been done and over with for sometime. You don't live where I do, you can not run to an ER, they will turn you away unless you're dying. Our local ER does not see anyone for burns. I already know this to be a fact as I had 3rd degree burns from a TV dinner and was told to go see my doctor the next day. That my doctor could tell me where to go next.

So who is correct April or Dale? Went to ER immediately or ER does not accept burn patients?

Unfortunately in your defense you will not be able to use the comments about the manager not allowing you to leave as a reason for not providing immediate medical attention, as this is a country of free will and freedom of choice. Either choice had liable consequences sued for not paying the bill at IHOP verses sued for child neglect by not providing immediate medical attention to your child. Thank goodness you will have about 15 more years to come up with a better defense for the latter.

Why did you not go to the ER?

If it was not about the money you would have taken the first settlement.

Remember you filed the Rip Off Report it is up to you to prove your case EVEN though WE are on your side. YES this is a place for people to file a real RIP OFF they can back up with real data.

Any photos of the scars? There must be scars.

It is quite sad to think that we live in a society of entitlement. Everyone seems to think that chance and accident should been taken out of the equation of life and instead should been replaced by malice and blame.

In this curcumstance a parent feels that it is the fault of IHOP for their child sticking its hands into a hot bowl of gravy. Not because the child was encouraged, but because so many hands at the table were occupied with food that they could not have prevented the tragic event. This is shameful. not that IHOP served food (uncharacteristically warm), but that a parent would place blame on the girl serving the food.

Sometimes food is served warm. Sometimes children's hands wander. It does not necessarily merit blame. Food can be hot, a lesson that I am certain your child has learned. If your child tripped on its shoe laces would you sue the shoe manufatcurer for making shoddy laces, or the company that paved the sidewalk, or yourself for not holding your kids hands all the time?

This is silly nonsense, as are many of the posts on this thread. In my mind you are entitiled to nothing. You take risks when you exit your home. You should be responsible for that. If the waitress had spilled the gravy on your child that would be one thing but it did not happen. Your baby put its own hand in it (and why didnt it use a spoon, manners aren't being taught anymore). And as far as the waitress not responding to a crying baby (that is what parents are for), I am sure there have been many other children that have cried for no reason at a restaurant...why would this be any different?

God Girl, give it a break! First off, please by all means read our other posts. Then tell me were we're "money hungry." No where does it say in ANY of our posts that we were looking to get money. Not even in this one, our priority was our son.

Secondly, if you could read, you see, and apparently I have to keep pointing this out to you... our son's doctor told us that this trauma caused his Autism, however, we didn't agree with it and had him seen by specialists, to find out that this is something one is born with. You seriously need a reality check.

Again, our son is now 4 1/2, not 15 months anymore... This is just getting really old when someone like Julie keeps playing games on this site. I sure hope you stay to yourself in OK, since you seem to make enemies and not friends, but that's your problem. Grow-up!

Amie I know an Exec from IHOP Corp. The Corp. HQ is in Glendale just down the street from where I live. I asked a father who son is on my sons baseball team if he ever heard of Rip Off Report, he knew all about it and told me that data. Sure people in the front line of the industry are fluid at best but execs go on and on.

Mark, read the original post and the updates that follow. These people DID NOT take their child to the ER, they took him to his regular doctor the NEXT DAY. That's right, the NEXT DAY.

Later, they claimed the burns caused autism. Autism isn't "caused" by burns.

These people are lunatics. Read all of their many other posts. They are money hungry and they don't seem to have good sense.

1st of all if people such as karlton would have read the first report and read it correctly they would have seen that the family DID NOT even eat their meal.

2nd of all the MANAGER kept the family there for more than 30 minutes arguing with them about the incident. 3rd the family went straight to the hospital once they were finally able to leave the IHOP.

I myself have eaten at IHOP and i know firsthanded that the gravy they serve at IHOP is so hot when they bring it out that you have to let it stand for about 5 minutes before you even think of eating it. Not only that but anyone with any type of common sense knows that a child of that age will grab what ever is set in front of them.

It dont matter the age of the server common sense will tell you DONT PUT SOMETHING THAT HOT INFRONT OF A TODDLER THAT IS THAT YOUNG AND CANT TELL THAT IT IS DANGEROUS FOR THEM TO TOUCH.

HELLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOO..IT IS NEGLEGENCE ON THE SERVERS PART FOR NOT ASKING THE PARENTS WHERE SHE SHOULD PUT THE PLATE FOR THE TODDLER.. ALSO AT 15 MONTHS MOST TODDLERS THAT AGE HAVE TO HAVE A PARENT FEED THEM.GEESH

These people sat and ate their meal AFTER their child was "burned", then they didn't take him for medical care for his "burns" until the next day. This rings of child abuse, and not by IHOP. What kind of parent lets their child go all night without proper medical care and then due to their negligence in not getting him proper treatment immediately, blames IHOP.

Also, April admits she had just been in a car wreck, perhaps you should have eaten at home, not gone somewhere that required additional attention for your young child.

April and Dale are always trying to get something for nothing, look them up, their posts are quite a hoot!!

I frequent several IHOPS here in OK and I almost always get the biscuits and gravy and generally it is lukewarm, it is never hot. What I notice more often than anything, no matter where I go, is that the servers ALWAYS tell me when a dish is hot. If this server had a plate with gravy that was this hot, her own hand would have been burned. Think logically about this people.

And before you tell me I don't have children, so I must have no idea, wrong again, I have three. But I exercise common sense with them. That's your JOB as a parent. What isn't your job is using your poor child as a way to extort money from businesses (which is a pattern with you people, particularly the trying to extort money out of businesses in your town). I am surprised the citizens of Waldorf haven't run you out of town.

So you were able to "dig up" information on a situation that happened 3 years ago? Do the same people even work at that IHOP? Restaurants have notoriously high employee turnover. I am also amazed at the people on here who are condemning the women for being upset and wanting justice for her child. Nothing changes the fact that her child was burned and she was treated unjustly in all aspects by IHOP.

IHOP is based near my home and sure enough the person reporting here forgot to mention a few little things,

They sat and ate their meal AFTER the child was served.

They did not report any burn for three weeks.

The burn was fresh when reported.

Now what?

Yes, this story is quite old, but I came across it and decided to make a commment anyway.
I am a Human Resource Manager, for many years, and dealt with workman's comp claims as well as general liability claims. Now, in all reality, IHOP is insured. If the waitress put a hot plate full of hot gravy in front of the child...that is her fault. Most business' have safety programs and first aid programs in place.
For her to just walk away is rediculous.
Second, maybe it's IHOP's policy to never admit to wrongdoing, ecspecially when there could be a claim or suit involved. They need to make sure they are sympathetic to your issue, but most places never admit to wrongdoing. They are told specifically not to. (just like if you are in a car accident, your carrier tells you to not admit fault, make sure the other party is safe or ok, but do not admit fault)
They should have immediately offered hospital assistance, and exchanged phone numbers and addresses.
Someone where I worked fell on a step and chipped their tooth, hurt their mouth. We offered them to immediately go to the hospital.
we filled out an incident report and filed this claim with our insurance carrier. It is considered a General Liability Claim. (somewhat similar to workman's comp claims). We opened up a claim, informed the person that was injured of their claim number and where they needed to call for more information. Once the claim was opened, the customer stayed in contact with the insurance company only.

My job was to take a picture of the step the customer slipped on, and to make sure the customer called the insurance company, and not myself.

Do not take blame for the accident, but take action.

They should have handled this case the same way.
They should have told you to fill out an incident report, forwarded it to there insurance company, and did their investigating..IE pictures, etc....

The insurance company will gather all other information such as doctor bills, records, etc.
Then they would take care of them if deemed necessary.
I have dealt with angry people, who tripped, fell or was hurt some way or another on our property. If it is on our property, then it is our responsibility to fill out an incident report with as much information as we can on the accident and the alleged victem. Then we forward this claim to the insurance company. If need be, they will in fact investigate it themselves, sometimes privately...without you knowing.

The manager of IHOP should have comped your food and asked you if you needed to take your son to the hospital.

They should have offered as much assistance as possible.

They should have safety programs in place for their associates.

And even though I do not have children, I know to never place anything hot or dangerous within a child's reach.

Most business' have safety training in place to coincide with their insurance company because it helps keep their rates lower (such as slip proof shoes, or training manuals/ programs/ videos).

But maybe IHOP isn't really a great company....

Yes, this story is quite old, but I came across it and decided to make a commment anyway.
I am a Human Resource Manager, for many years, and dealt with workman's comp claims as well as general liability claims. Now, in all reality, IHOP is insured. If the waitress put a hot plate full of hot gravy in front of the child...that is her fault. Most business' have safety programs and first aid programs in place.
For her to just walk away is rediculous.
Second, maybe it's IHOP's policy to never admit to wrongdoing, ecspecially when there could be a claim or suit involved. They need to make sure they are sympathetic to your issue, but most places never admit to wrongdoing. They are told specifically not to. (just like if you are in a car accident, your carrier tells you to not admit fault, make sure the other party is safe or ok, but do not admit fault)
They should have immediately offered hospital assistance, and exchanged phone numbers and addresses.
Someone where I worked fell on a step and chipped their tooth, hurt their mouth. We offered them to immediately go to the hospital.
we filled out an incident report and filed this claim with our insurance carrier. It is considered a General Liability Claim. (somewhat similar to workman's comp claims). We opened up a claim, informed the person that was injured of their claim number and where they needed to call for more information. Once the claim was opened, the customer stayed in contact with the insurance company only.

My job was to take a picture of the step the customer slipped on, and to make sure the customer called the insurance company, and not myself.

Do not take blame for the accident, but take action.

They should have handled this case the same way.
They should have told you to fill out an incident report, forwarded it to there insurance company, and did their investigating..IE pictures, etc....

The insurance company will gather all other information such as doctor bills, records, etc.
Then they would take care of them if deemed necessary.
I have dealt with angry people, who tripped, fell or was hurt some way or another on our property. If it is on our property, then it is our responsibility to fill out an incident report with as much information as we can on the accident and the alleged victem. Then we forward this claim to the insurance company. If need be, they will in fact investigate it themselves, sometimes privately...without you knowing.

The manager of IHOP should have comped your food and asked you if you needed to take your son to the hospital.

They should have offered as much assistance as possible.

They should have safety programs in place for their associates.

And even though I do not have children, I know to never place anything hot or dangerous within a child's reach.

Most business' have safety training in place to coincide with their insurance company because it helps keep their rates lower (such as slip proof shoes, or training manuals/ programs/ videos).

But maybe IHOP isn't really a great company....

Yes, this story is quite old, but I came across it and decided to make a commment anyway.
I am a Human Resource Manager, for many years, and dealt with workman's comp claims as well as general liability claims. Now, in all reality, IHOP is insured. If the waitress put a hot plate full of hot gravy in front of the child...that is her fault. Most business' have safety programs and first aid programs in place.
For her to just walk away is rediculous.
Second, maybe it's IHOP's policy to never admit to wrongdoing, ecspecially when there could be a claim or suit involved. They need to make sure they are sympathetic to your issue, but most places never admit to wrongdoing. They are told specifically not to. (just like if you are in a car accident, your carrier tells you to not admit fault, make sure the other party is safe or ok, but do not admit fault)
They should have immediately offered hospital assistance, and exchanged phone numbers and addresses.
Someone where I worked fell on a step and chipped their tooth, hurt their mouth. We offered them to immediately go to the hospital.
we filled out an incident report and filed this claim with our insurance carrier. It is considered a General Liability Claim. (somewhat similar to workman's comp claims). We opened up a claim, informed the person that was injured of their claim number and where they needed to call for more information. Once the claim was opened, the customer stayed in contact with the insurance company only.

My job was to take a picture of the step the customer slipped on, and to make sure the customer called the insurance company, and not myself.

Do not take blame for the accident, but take action.

They should have handled this case the same way.
They should have told you to fill out an incident report, forwarded it to there insurance company, and did their investigating..IE pictures, etc....

The insurance company will gather all other information such as doctor bills, records, etc.
Then they would take care of them if deemed necessary.
I have dealt with angry people, who tripped, fell or was hurt some way or another on our property. If it is on our property, then it is our responsibility to fill out an incident report with as much information as we can on the accident and the alleged victem. Then we forward this claim to the insurance company. If need be, they will in fact investigate it themselves, sometimes privately...without you knowing.

The manager of IHOP should have comped your food and asked you if you needed to take your son to the hospital.

They should have offered as much assistance as possible.

They should have safety programs in place for their associates.

And even though I do not have children, I know to never place anything hot or dangerous within a child's reach.

Most business' have safety training in place to coincide with their insurance company because it helps keep their rates lower (such as slip proof shoes, or training manuals/ programs/ videos).

But maybe IHOP isn't really a great company....

Yes, this story is quite old, but I came across it and decided to make a commment anyway.
I am a Human Resource Manager, for many years, and dealt with workman's comp claims as well as general liability claims. Now, in all reality, IHOP is insured. If the waitress put a hot plate full of hot gravy in front of the child...that is her fault. Most business' have safety programs and first aid programs in place.
For her to just walk away is rediculous.
Second, maybe it's IHOP's policy to never admit to wrongdoing, ecspecially when there could be a claim or suit involved. They need to make sure they are sympathetic to your issue, but most places never admit to wrongdoing. They are told specifically not to. (just like if you are in a car accident, your carrier tells you to not admit fault, make sure the other party is safe or ok, but do not admit fault)
They should have immediately offered hospital assistance, and exchanged phone numbers and addresses.
Someone where I worked fell on a step and chipped their tooth, hurt their mouth. We offered them to immediately go to the hospital.
we filled out an incident report and filed this claim with our insurance carrier. It is considered a General Liability Claim. (somewhat similar to workman's comp claims). We opened up a claim, informed the person that was injured of their claim number and where they needed to call for more information. Once the claim was opened, the customer stayed in contact with the insurance company only.

My job was to take a picture of the step the customer slipped on, and to make sure the customer called the insurance company, and not myself.

Do not take blame for the accident, but take action.

They should have handled this case the same way.
They should have told you to fill out an incident report, forwarded it to there insurance company, and did their investigating..IE pictures, etc....

The insurance company will gather all other information such as doctor bills, records, etc.
Then they would take care of them if deemed necessary.
I have dealt with angry people, who tripped, fell or was hurt some way or another on our property. If it is on our property, then it is our responsibility to fill out an incident report with as much information as we can on the accident and the alleged victem. Then we forward this claim to the insurance company. If need be, they will in fact investigate it themselves, sometimes privately...without you knowing.

The manager of IHOP should have comped your food and asked you if you needed to take your son to the hospital.

They should have offered as much assistance as possible.

They should have safety programs in place for their associates.

And even though I do not have children, I know to never place anything hot or dangerous within a child's reach.

Most business' have safety training in place to coincide with their insurance company because it helps keep their rates lower (such as slip proof shoes, or training manuals/ programs/ videos).

But maybe IHOP isn't really a great company....

Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion, so here is mine. The people at that particular restraunt and others all over the U.S use poor judgement and carelessness, what kind of a ignorant fool sets a plate of hot food in front of a baby? You are absolutley right, babies are interested in the world around them and use there hands to explore it, which can mean trouble sometimes.

A child that young can not know the consequences of his or her actions, therefore if a dumb waitress/waiter sets a plate of hot food in front of him/her the child does not have the ability to say to his/her self " hey that is probably very hot and it might really hurt me, so I better not touch it."

As for people saying his parents should have been watching him, if they would read the complaints they would realize that everyones hands where full, and to tell you the truth a parent can't always watch a child and sometimes accidents will happen. But the "accident" at IHop was not acceptable; the family was there for a nice breakfast and should have recieved flawless service.

The waitress who brought them there food should of had enough common sence to not set a plate of hot food in front of a 15 month old child, especially when she saw everyone elses hands at the table where full.

I have a 2 year old daughter, and she knows the meaning of "hot" but when she was around the little boys age, it seemed everywhere we would go to eat, we would have to tell the servers time and time again not to put the food directly in front of our daughter.

I applaud your persistance in this case and I really hope your baby gets better and that awfull restraunt gets what they deserve. Good luck, and I am sorry for what happened to your son.

Steve, I am certainly not a communist. If you had any idea what libertarianism was you would feel real stupid for what you wrote. Libertarianism is probably the farthest thing you could find from communism. Look it up moron. Just because you don't understand something, doesn,t make it communism you dumb a*s!

BTW, do you have any idea who Joe Mcarthy was? What an incredible cretin.

Whoa, Adam must be some good drugs you are on, man.

I found you over at some political post spouting your self procliamed Libertarain views. You are still carrying that big Commie hammer around.

This report is over two years old. There has been all this discussion, pro and con for all this time. Here you come, to "expose liers"? Uh, the statment has been made before, dude.

How do you know they are lies? That is just your wigged out opinion and you have repeated it all over the board. Everyone needs to read the Hechts report or you are missing half the fun with Adam series

I searchd Shawangunk. Everbody should. YOU should and then you can see your own face in the mirror.

You claim to be new to this sight and your very first job was to expose liers? Who gave you that job to do? What the h*ll are you doing here besides hammering these two people? Is it your job to assume that no one who reads these posts can sort things out for themselves? Why is it so important to you anyway?

The prob, Bob, is that people get mad when you make assumptions that they are not smart enough to figure things out on there own. Pisses them right off.

It just gets worse for you along the way. First you invite people to debate or argue with you and then tell them to shut the f--k up?

I would like to argue with you but not when the argument exists soly to tear down someone else.

Post a new report of your own and let the fight begin. You seem to have a whole crop of views that you think we all need to know about and beleive in.

Make a post simply saying that you think anyone who reads this sight is not capable of telling truth from lies or fantsy from reality. Because under all the caring that we will all be hurt by bad information that is the true message you are delivering.

If you are not willing to do that, why don't YOU shut the f--k up? You are more trouble than Robin ever was.

Take more drugs. You may one day yet be cured of you Messiah/Napoleon complex and able to interact with other thinking humans.

Get that report up as soon as possible.

Keep it up, Adam or whatever. Do you sit by the computer just waiting for a rebuttal or your own rebuttal? Yes you do, since more rebuttals come out of you in one hour than any of us in a week. Again with you abussive language. Robin has fought for this site as we have. I can honestly say, between my wife, Robin and a few others, they have contributed great help to alot of people asking for it. You want to talk about contributions to this site: Once again, you have only contributed nasty comments and poorly worded threats. Oh, but you don't threaten anyone?

So what are you; a business owner? ...a disabled VA? ...a chemo patient? ...a Libertarian? ...a well we could do this all night...

I think you're an angry old man with way too much time and nothing in life to do. So, find something.

AS I am new to this site I have no ides who or what a shawnagunk is or was. I am only pointing out the lies and outrageous claims by April and her poor husband Dale. If you choose to believe thier B.S., so be it. If you choose not to read my posts, so be it. Otherwise shut the f--k up you are contributing nothing here. At least I am exposing liars. You just want to cause problems.

There is nothing that I would like more than to debate with you on many issues. However I am not able to work a keyboard properly,as I cannot control the spastic nature of my hand/ finger actions. This is only a temporary condition due to my meds, according to my doctors. I really enjoy our debates ,and I should be able toargue again with you in the not to future If you are willing. We may not agree,however dialogue ts very important. P.S. I'm not an old pervert, I'm very happily married and not on the make. I just like Intelligent conversation and different views.

You have no idea how I live my life. I am one of the very few who are allowed to live in a free state. You people can make up any fantasy about me and my life you want. That certainly doesn't reflect the wonderful reality that life in Alaska can be.You have no Idea how free and safe we live here.

And if you have an idea of how to fill a niche market, you can not only do well, you can make sure your great,great grandchildren will do well also. Sure I'm a disabled vet, but that doesn't wean I'm not strong and productive. I probably work more hours than anybody you know. No Susan ,that doesn't make me an authority on anything.

I must say however, there is no way A&D could have as much to whine about, unless they go out looking for trouble. If you go out looking for trouble, someone will gladly oblige you. However, if you try to conduct business in a courteous and reasonable manner,you will certainly do well. This holds true any where you go. Please follow the waldorf threads before you flame me .You will see for yourself and make your own informed decision. I think your common sense will prevail.

It is in my view that the original author (the victim) is to blame in this situation. It is the responsibility of the mother to watch the child. I realize that you can't watch a child 100% of the time. But, doesn't common sense tell you that when the waitress puts a hot bowl of gravy in front of the child, for you to immediately take the bowl out of the childs reach. I don't know about you, but when I get served, I watch when she or he places food on the table. In this case, you didn't, your negligence to watch what was served led to your child burning his hand. If you had been attentive, this whole thing would have been prevented. Now, as for the waitress walking away, that was bad on her part. She should have checked to make sure everything is ok, and even go as far as to get you rags and a jug of ice water, and assisted you with your child. That shows she didn't care. Had the proper protocols been followed from waitress, to management, this would have been solved a long time ago. I am no expert on legalities, but in my view you should be awarded at 5 grand. Mostly for mental anguish and pain and suffering. The laws of the United States do allow for such judgements. But, I don't think frivelous lawsuits should be allowed. I am not calling your lawsuit frivelous. But saying you hope Ihop pays out the A$$ for this is typical of Americans. Whenever something goes wrong, we get angry (with good reason I understand) but we shouldn't be in the mentality to get the company for every penny they are worth. That's plain frivelous. The child got burned, the staff of that Ihop was not "negligent" for the placing of the gravy, but they were negligent in the customer service field. They were negligent to personally contact you to see how everything is going. If I was the manager of an Ihop, I would at least touch base often with the person and do anything I can to help. I would have written up or fired the waitress for her inability to assist (although you told us she walked away, we weren't there so we don't know if she was in the back already or right there walking away when it happened). I have stated my point about this, I know children are curious, but it is the parents responsibility to make sure that hot food is not placed infront of their infants. Had the mother been paying attention, the gravy would have been out of reach of the child.

P.S. I recently read an article about some idiot woman suing Mc Donalds (although unspecified, the figures are estimated to be in the low 2 million range) because the food made her gain weight. See, it's idiots like that who sue places just to get money so they don't have to work ever again. I can see where the weight problem comes from then. Not enough exercise, laziness, blaming others for her obesidy, and willing eating fatty foods. She made the choice to eat the burgers time after time, for over 12 years, why is it Mc Donalds fault? It's her fault. Plus she claimed that there were no dietary guides available. Another piece of evidence that her laziness is prevalant is the fact she failed to ask anyone for a dietary guide. This was disputed in a settlement hearing. The judge said no go. She failed to ask for a guide. Yet she knew they were available to her. So her defense that they weren't available was nullified. She is stupid. It's like suing walmart because they charged too much for a pack of gum. A lot of people will find anything to sue for now. They get into a financial fiasco, and at the first sign of opportunity, they see money and hear cash registers going off in thier heads. Let's all be civilized and use some common sense! Wait..I think I am going to sue the people who caused these ad pop ups. I just had to click my mouse to close them, thats wear and tear on the mouse. Sheesh *sighs deeply*

"Triple H is the Game!"

robin, I have to admit that I am facinated with the underlying bones of this whole story, there are so many layers to it. Also I have spoken out to "Adam" before because as you say he uses this site supossedly to rebutt Dale and April but always gets onto other things always spewing hate and venom, half of, or should I say most doesn't make sense except that he seems to be one angry man. I stumbled onto this site about 6 or 8 mos ago and can't help but stick in my 2 cents every once in a while, never heard of Waldorf Maryland, it must be some town, seems like everyone knows each other. Anyway thanks for not ripping my head off and instead telling me a scary and interesting story adding more intrigue to this Ihop, Dale and April brouhaha.

Susan,

Adam is doing this to April and Dale because of a troll named Shawangunk from way back in the day. (Search the name)

April was involved in that little skirmish, as was I, and a few others.

Adam=Shawangunk (and many other aliases, too many to list) and there was a huge roil at this board over him/her/it because old Shaw was a victim basher of the worst sort.

Shawangunk liked to say "Wahh", belittle victims, tell victims that everything was their own fault, that they were whiners, on and on. Shawangunk was as mean as a pregnant rattlesnake. As is "Adam", but rather than find random victims from among the posts here, he simply decided to create his own victims. April and Dale.

Fast forward to now. "Adam" appears and he is on a mission against April and Dale for their former involvement in getting him ousted before. This is NOT the only post "Adam" is rebutting in (not by a long shot), he finds every post that either April or Dale has ever posted in for the express purpose of bashing them.

Posts from eons ago magically appear at the front of the board for the express purpose of "Adam" to belittle and poke fun.

I have watched it for quite some time in several simultaneous posts without involvement, but I have carefully studied the writings of this "Adam". He is either 1) Shawangunk himself or 2) a great admirer and/or student of his/hers/its. Too many similarities to ignore anymore.

"Adam" is stalking April and Dale. Adam is a troll bent on mischief. When he was here before, strange things happened to this board. Mysterious service outages, hacks, you name it.

The stalker has become the stalked, is what is going on here. If Adam can stalk, Robin can stalk as well, and having figured it out some time ago, Robin is having some fun now at "Shawdam's" expense.

He does not seem to like it much, although he has dished it out all over to April and Dale for a long time. A troll is a troll is a troll and they ALWAYS stink up the atmosphere.

Guess old "Shawdam" did not have the cajones to take me on, or maybe he could not find a report of mine that suited his purposes. So, this is to let "Shawdam" know that I am on to you, baby.

As for the chemo story, wahhh. He has just gone underground to develop his next character. He knows that I know and he is within one of getting his own report, just as Shawangunk did.

So, now I have outed myself and I am sure Shawdam will lie low for a time. I have a strong feeling he'll show up again.

When he does, I'll be back!

Iranians are Persian, not Arab.

Robin can be lumped in with Dale/April, a troll with the best interests of himself ahead of the consumer movement. Other posts here have him threatening a knock on the door in the middle of the night n**i-style for those who have gotten the better of her. Her ignorant heater remarks should come as a surprise to nobody. Ignore her, Dale, and Shawangunk, if they're not the same person. I believe consumer advocate Fraud Hammer X has pointed this out, as well.

I don't want you to think I'm ripping you off, X! You da man!

My thanks to Lindsay of Lafayette for confirming my suspicion regarding Arabic owned majority of IHOP's. Suggest we "infidels" boycott those ownerships and let our money go instead to supporting our soldiers serving in Iraq and to their families.

Adam,

I want to clearify all that you've started: OK, you keep preaching about how everyone is hostile, uneducated, low IQed, etc. etc. etc. and not to mention you claim others have threatened you...

No! You must be a very confussed individual. Let's make it simpler for you to follow... You are the ONLY one on this site threatening anyone. Because you claim you can't seem to find such, the "Bush" rebuttal you posted on 10/26/2004 claimed that because our political views were different that my husband would be "dead hanging out of an unarmored humvee with no body armor." Yes, that was what you wrote. Do you see this, or just over looking it again. Then, above, you started threatening the both of us and in the same sentence, "I'm not threatening anyone here..."

Your constant abussive language is intrussive to say the very least. Your cosntant "put downs" and defermation on everyone disagreeing with you only shows that you are the one with a "Low IQ," mine's 279, what's yours?

You also stated on "several posts," that you were leaving the site for a while and "this is my last post for awhile..." that was 5 days ago, yet, you're still here. Hum...

Now, if you had an actual intelligent argument, so be it, otherwise, don't come back!

Robin,
You did make a comment about Adam possibly not having a correct heating system, why I don't know, and then you said because of that possibly come Jan. maybe we would be prying his fingers off of his keyboard, so Adam being the extreme person that he is took that as a death wish sort of thing, both of you are really over the top. It's just soo childish. Adam! You are sooo angry and I suspect that it has nothing to do with the Dale and April IHOP thing, if anyone dares to state their opinion you go ape and start rebutting to the max, spewing alot of venom and hate, with all kinds of whys and what fors, about Dale and April(you accused them of being on welfare, and you don't knoww that), you just talk scary stuff rambling on and on, and then Robin jumps in to fuel your fire and push your buttons, Robin, you are no better, why in the world does it matter to you , you seem to take everything very personally, actually both of you react that way, and while this rebutt has been going on for way too long it's within anyones rights to rebutt and state their opinion, but to get soo heated over petty little comments is over the top, and Adam I was appalled when you came out and stated that you couldn't or hadn't been to this sight for awhile because of your kemo treatment, come on why would you even bring this up if you didn't want to try and make Robin or anyone who has rebutted you feel guilty in some way, it's not right to do that just to make YOUR point seem more right. I have said before that I don't buy Dale and Aprils story one iota, but where does all this other spewing come from, both of you critisize every little thing you think you know or assume about the other, and while Robin didn't come right out and say Adam that he wished you to freeze to death, you of course blew it right out of proportion and played the illness card, shame on you. And you can come back at me all you want I don't care, it's your opinion and your right to do so.

No one is "wishing death" on anyone; only a case of very cold fingers that would S-L-O-W down your typing. I did not write "pry his cold DEAD fingers from the keyboard", did I? Which is what I would have typed if that is what I meant to say!

I am no angrier than any other average American who sees the country going down the sewer pipes with no way to stop it. The government is so out of control and far above any will of the people that it has taken on a life of its own.

I do not feel dangerous in any way to anybody.

Yes, they still teach Civics, but only in the "approved government manner". I was taught in school that America is a Constitutional Republic (which is correct).

Know what the government puts in Civics books these days (and what they attempted to teach my kids?) That America is a "Democratic Republic". Buzz-wrong, wrong. Dead wrong. Not the same thing at all. Just a little Department of Education misinformation to bring everybody into the brainwashed masses. Once you think you are a democracy, then one must bow to Democracy, which is inherently an unsustainable system.

If anybody censors, it is the government by dispersing their own special brand of disinformation. Or withholding information.

I do not wish you ill in any way, sir, but you cannot seem to get it that your message has been received loud and clear. Your continued attempts to "educate" the rest of us "poor dumb souls" are becoming offensive in the extreme. We are all now aware of what jaundice is, what causes it, how one might get it, why one might have it, etc., but I have been unable to find one person who comes to this site to look up their medical problems.

I am sorry to hear of your troubles and hope that all goes well for you.

To Warren:

Actually the majority of IHOP restaurants are Arabic owned. My boyfriend's family own both that are in our city. Recently they attended the annual convention and took pictures where most other owners and managers are Arabic.

To Everyone else:
Yes I know this does not directly contribute an answer to the orignial problem, but I figure, everyone else is rambling, why shouldn't I?

By the way, the word rebuttal is a noun, and is being used improperly here. Rebut is the verb many of you are wanting to use. Sorry I have this horrible feeling that washes over me when I see nouns used as verbs. Please don't get me started on the rest of the incorrect spellings and misused terms here. We could go on for another two years! LOL!

I have a wondrful modern and efficient furnace. So, your hate filled wish wil never be realised.Just because we obviously don't agree, you hope I freeze to death? You are an angry and possibly dangerous person.

People do not always agree on many points. However, accept in time of war, and faced with no alternative, I have never taken a life. Nor have I either wished death on anyone. It takes all kinds of poeole to make the greatest democracy this planet has ever known.

Wishing my demise, and celebrating it as you would, makes you a sick, sick man. If you wish death for everyone that voices a different opinion than yours makes you feel good then you are truly as unamerican as they come.

I do not agree with Dale& April, However I wish them no harm,only enlightenment. Your comments are no longer worth responding to as any person does not agree with your twisted view of the way the world is headed, Should be dead.

This is America, public discusion of politics is what makes this country the graetest country on earth. Whining and snivelling by people looking for every person that disagrees, or even wishing death on them is hardly productive. So please do not try to censor anybodies freedom to express thier opinions no matter h*e repugnant you find them.

When April and Dale lie about me and others, just because we disagree, It only proves who and what they really are.

Like I said to A&D, LIFE IS TOUGH, GET A HELMET!

Your attempts at censorship are rediculous and futile. Actually they make you look less than American. DOESN'T ANY SCHOOL TEACH CIVICS ANYMORE?

Ukiah, in a personal aside to you; I am not going to be able to call these people on thier lies and false allegations, false information and sometimes even dangerous advice. I am starting a particullary debillitating and painful couse of treatment(chemo). I mention this not to elicit sypathy or pity as I have no need or desire for either. I am in very good hands ,and this is a very positive step toward having a much greater life! I only mention this to explain why I may not be able to keep these obviously, morally and intellectualy challenged aware that they are as transparent as a fat girl in a wet T-shirt contest. BLEECH! Sorry for the visual. But I'm sure you know what I mean. Pease sir and all others not wearing blinders or possesing I.Q.'s lower than the average temperature in the Arctic. Don't let them get away with thier lies, and put downs of everyone who see through thier total fabrications and sometimes gross exagerations.

Amazing that the gravy was hot. Usually even the coffe in their plastic carafes is lukewarm to cold.

One in Alabama took 30 minutes to begin preparation although only three other customers present. Food arrived cold after another 20 minutes. Seems waitress forgot to pickup the meal. I refused to eat and refused to pay. The Iranian manager bluntly said he did not give a s**t if I ate there or not. Found out from ex-waitresses that they quit due to his constant harassment. He later sold his franchise to another arabic descent who was no better. IHOP is off my list forever. Wonder if just coincidence I encountered owners/managers of arabic descent? Wonder if the ethnic makeup of the headquarters is diverse. Perhaps there might be animosity inherent towards us "infidels"

Amazing that the gravy was hot. Usually even the coffe in their plastic carafes is lukewarm to cold.

One in Alabama took 30 minutes to begin preparation although only three other customers present. Food arrived cold after another 20 minutes. Seems waitress forgot to pickup the meal. I refused to eat and refused to pay. The Iranian manager bluntly said he did not give a s**t if I ate there or not. Found out from ex-waitresses that they quit due to his constant harassment. He later sold his franchise to another arabic descent who was no better. IHOP is off my list forever. Wonder if just coincidence I encountered owners/managers of arabic descent? Wonder if the ethnic makeup of the headquarters is diverse. Perhaps there might be animosity inherent towards us "infidels"

Amazing that the gravy was hot. Usually even the coffe in their plastic carafes is lukewarm to cold.

One in Alabama took 30 minutes to begin preparation although only three other customers present. Food arrived cold after another 20 minutes. Seems waitress forgot to pickup the meal. I refused to eat and refused to pay. The Iranian manager bluntly said he did not give a s**t if I ate there or not. Found out from ex-waitresses that they quit due to his constant harassment. He later sold his franchise to another arabic descent who was no better. IHOP is off my list forever. Wonder if just coincidence I encountered owners/managers of arabic descent? Wonder if the ethnic makeup of the headquarters is diverse. Perhaps there might be animosity inherent towards us "infidels"

Amazing that the gravy was hot. Usually even the coffe in their plastic carafes is lukewarm to cold.

One in Alabama took 30 minutes to begin preparation although only three other customers present. Food arrived cold after another 20 minutes. Seems waitress forgot to pickup the meal. I refused to eat and refused to pay. The Iranian manager bluntly said he did not give a s**t if I ate there or not. Found out from ex-waitresses that they quit due to his constant harassment. He later sold his franchise to another arabic descent who was no better. IHOP is off my list forever. Wonder if just coincidence I encountered owners/managers of arabic descent? Wonder if the ethnic makeup of the headquarters is diverse. Perhaps there might be animosity inherent towards us "infidels"

"Max:

Your question was just asinine."

Really? Not more asinine than you report is.

3rd, degree burns from a home, microwave.
and my question is asinine...

Oh, and every one who rebuttals here, according to them, is an IHOP employee.

Next thing you know, they'll be saying I'm one of the Mike's.

To Mike: According to what they say, that both Mike are the same guy, how do you move from one location to another distant location so fast?! What's your transportation? Do you go by Jet?

First of all, anyone who has taken the time to read April& Dales posts knows they are full of it.Just search Waldorf and you will see they not only cause thier own problems, but they make up lies about what really happened and then, they make up rediculous lies about anyone that calls them on it. If you fail to realise this after reading thier posts, there is nothing that can be done for you. If anyone can tell me how I threatened April, Dale or anyone else, I surely would apreciate it if they could point out wich post.

for every other allegation made against me or anyone else who calls them on thier outright lies, just follow the threads and you will see the recurring pattern of lies, unfounded allegations and downright ignorance and inconsistacy contained in every post or rebuttle they post. I have done my work here and shall move on. However, don't you dare think for a moment that anyone can tell me not to respond to lies, fabrications and total diregard for reality and common decency.

Ukiah, thank you again for being able to see what garbage these people spew at any person who points out thier many faillings and tries to let them know that we aren't fooled for a second. I'm bored with the utter predictability of these two. But I do hope you will continue the good fight. Please don't let them get away with thier B.S.

I'm going to take a break for awhile but I'll be back if I find out I'm being lied about again.

First of all, anyone who has taken the time to read April& Dales posts knows they are full of it.Just search Waldorf and you will see they not only cause thier own problems, but they make up lies about what really happened and then, they make up rediculous lies about anyone that calls them on it. If you fail to realise this after reading thier posts, there is nothing that can be done for you. If anyone can tell me how I threatened April, Dale or anyone else, I surely would apreciate it if they could point out wich post.

for every other allegation made against me or anyone else who calls them on thier outright lies, just follow the threads and you will see the recurring pattern of lies, unfounded allegations and downright ignorance and inconsistacy contained in every post or rebuttle they post. I have done my work here and shall move on. However, don't you dare think for a moment that anyone can tell me not to respond to lies, fabrications and total diregard for reality and common decency.

Ukiah, thank you again for being able to see what garbage these people spew at any person who points out thier many faillings and tries to let them know that we aren't fooled for a second. I'm bored with the utter predictability of these two. But I do hope you will continue the good fight. Please don't let them get away with thier B.S.

I'm going to take a break for awhile but I'll be back if I find out I'm being lied about again.

First of all, anyone who has taken the time to read April& Dales posts knows they are full of it.Just search Waldorf and you will see they not only cause thier own problems, but they make up lies about what really happened and then, they make up rediculous lies about anyone that calls them on it. If you fail to realise this after reading thier posts, there is nothing that can be done for you. If anyone can tell me how I threatened April, Dale or anyone else, I surely would apreciate it if they could point out wich post.

for every other allegation made against me or anyone else who calls them on thier outright lies, just follow the threads and you will see the recurring pattern of lies, unfounded allegations and downright ignorance and inconsistacy contained in every post or rebuttle they post. I have done my work here and shall move on. However, don't you dare think for a moment that anyone can tell me not to respond to lies, fabrications and total diregard for reality and common decency.

Ukiah, thank you again for being able to see what garbage these people spew at any person who points out thier many faillings and tries to let them know that we aren't fooled for a second. I'm bored with the utter predictability of these two. But I do hope you will continue the good fight. Please don't let them get away with thier B.S.

I'm going to take a break for awhile but I'll be back if I find out I'm being lied about again.

First of all, anyone who has taken the time to read April& Dales posts knows they are full of it.Just search Waldorf and you will see they not only cause thier own problems, but they make up lies about what really happened and then, they make up rediculous lies about anyone that calls them on it. If you fail to realise this after reading thier posts, there is nothing that can be done for you. If anyone can tell me how I threatened April, Dale or anyone else, I surely would apreciate it if they could point out wich post.

for every other allegation made against me or anyone else who calls them on thier outright lies, just follow the threads and you will see the recurring pattern of lies, unfounded allegations and downright ignorance and inconsistacy contained in every post or rebuttle they post. I have done my work here and shall move on. However, don't you dare think for a moment that anyone can tell me not to respond to lies, fabrications and total diregard for reality and common decency.

Ukiah, thank you again for being able to see what garbage these people spew at any person who points out thier many faillings and tries to let them know that we aren't fooled for a second. I'm bored with the utter predictability of these two. But I do hope you will continue the good fight. Please don't let them get away with thier B.S.

I'm going to take a break for awhile but I'll be back if I find out I'm being lied about again.

Robin, I concur. Deinitely the next Shawangunk, or Aaron, or any other of a number of fools that periodically spring up to spout their irrelevant, hateful, ignorant gibberish. Then, when they recognize that this is not some worthless mudslinging forum inhabited by people who are seeking to cure the emotional problems they developed by being bullied in elementary school, they either settle down or go away.

The internet is full of forums where you can spend your entire day belittling people about whom you know nothing. This is not intended to be one of them, unfortunately some people use it as such.

Adam, you're more than welcome here, but stick to the relevant issues and refrain from making unfounded character judgments. Whether Dale and April are abusing the court system (I don't think they are) is debatable and relevant. Whether their house has wheels, or whether they are fit for military service, is neither relevant nor probative.

I have to say, however, that Dale and April are somewhat culpable in continuing the mudslinging. Force someone to stick to the issues by ignoring their unfounded character attacks and you will win out in the end. Ignorant rhetoric is no match for the facts. There is an endless supply of mud, however, and if you keep throwing it back at him, he'll keep throwing it back at you.

For the record, my house has wheels. I also own it outright, and the proceeds from its sale will fund my bar admission process in a few months. Got a problem with that?

Hey, April and Dale,

Give it up. Adam has no life and nothing to do except gripe about your reports. And gripe. And gripe. And gripe some more. In between scratching his armpits and picking lice off his pet monkeys, I don't know how he finds the time for all this writing.

I think the frequent visitors to RipoffReport.com have figured Adam out. He is our "Troll of the Month". He is probably Shawangunk's first cousin, or maybe even a closer relative than that, if you get my drift.

Keep exercising your Constitutional right to post, protest or whatever you need to do to get consumer justice to your satisfaction and just ignore this monkey-loving pervert. (I guess he loves simians in all forms; he sure mentions them a lot.)

Don't waste another minute on this creepazoid; there are battles to be fought that are much more worthy.

I figure Adam will soon start on me because I have chastised him indirectly in another post; this time I am naming names.

So, here's to you, Adam:

S@^*W YOU, ADAM!!! You are an annoying p***k and we all wish you would find another hobby somewhere else. At the very least, find something else to harp about because this is getting old.

Keep it up, Adam, and you will get your very own "fan club" and I do not think you would care for it at all. You could be our "superstar" on the front of the board for quite some time. The exposure might be a little more than you bargained for, considering your cold climate. We have keyboards, too, and we WILL type.

It gets pretty cold in AK they tell me. If we are lucky Adam will run out of firewood about mid-January. Maybe they will have to pry his frozen fingers off his keyboard when the spring thaw comes around.

We can hope, can't we?

First to Adam:

You did threaten Dale, see rebuttals on Bush post. Strange how you can forget what you write. The electoral vote, you put your foot in your mouth, let me remind you what you wrote, My vote will cancel yours and my wife's vote will cancel Dale's. Forgot you wrote that too, huh? You live in Alaska, not Maryland, so your vote has nothing to do with mine, by the way who won???? HA! No I don't serve my country the way you supposedly have, however, my family and myself have made numerous contributions to every applicable organization, not to mention my entire family has been serving for many years along with Dale's father. We choose to be educated and better ourselves through education. That is why we are able to make the kind of money we do. So, who has been untrue? You are truly the biggest idiot on earth.

To Chris:

You are a lying SOB. You were not there. There were NO tables next to us, so keep the BS up, by the way, for future comments, I do know who you are and would be more than happy to notify your place of work that this is what you've been doing instead of working. By the way, who lives in subsides housing? OH yeh, you and your pretend family. Keep it up!

Max:

Your question was just asinine.

Now, I think it's rather odd how Adam is able to rebuttal before I can even update. Maybe he's the site's troll they been looking for?

Where and when did you get the idea that I don't know what the electoral college is? You have accused me of many things. Every single accusation you have made is untrue. When you don't have an intelligent comeback, you just make something up. You are truly a couple of sad, sad individuals. I was wondering, how many wheels does your house have?LMAO!

Where and when did you get the idea that I don't know what the electoral college is? You have accused me of many things. Every single accusation you have made is untrue. When you don't have an intelligent comeback, you just make something up. You are truly a couple of sad, sad individuals. I was wondering, how many wheels does your house have?LMAO!

Where and when did you get the idea that I don't know what the electoral college is? You have accused me of many things. Every single accusation you have made is untrue. When you don't have an intelligent comeback, you just make something up. You are truly a couple of sad, sad individuals. I was wondering, how many wheels does your house have?LMAO!

Do you ever read what you post? I cannot believe you are allowed to run free.I have never threatened Dales life. I'm sure you will make sure it's plenty short. Would you really deny a disabled veteran his medical benefits? That's part of the deal that every soldier, sailor, marine or airman is offered by our government.

If you or Dale had the temerity to serve, I certainly would not deny you medical benefits, especially if you became disabled as a result of your service. You two seem to be missing something in your lives. I truly hope you find it before you poison the minds of your children.Bye the way, I do have five well adjusted children.

I can only hope your children have influences outside of your disfunctional home.

My question is if they also sued the TV dinner people for getting a 3rd degree burn from it?

April,

Thanks so much for letting me know that I had "rebottled" several times. Is that some cool term I need to know for this site? Apparently, I either did this while sleepwalking or maybe there are others out there with my first name. If so, wow, that's exciting! You know I thought for all these years I was the only one!!! This is too cool!!! April, again, thank you soooo very much for the entertainment! Do you have a fan website? Can I get an autographed picture? I now even have friends and family reading this site because its so great! Thanks again and keep up the good work!!!! :)

I want to say that i was there when all this happened. I was sitting next table over when this all happened. They ordered their food and they just remembered they dont have no money. Well they didn't want to tell the waitress that they didn't have the money cause they were hungry. I heard them discussing how to get to eat it for free. Well they got the food and after they finished it. April (wife) went around asking everybody for money so she can buy diapers for the baby and some others if they can donate money for the baby's college fund. I know cause she asked me.

Well i guess not much luck than i noticed she was talking to this 1 guy and he went directly in men's bathroom and i say 2 minutes later, she went in men's bathroom also. I didn't time them or anything and i didn't care what was going on in there. I say around 15 minutes later she came out and 3 minutes later he came out smiling, a really big smile. Well i heard Dale mentioning a plan to get the meal free. They ordered biscuits and gravy and can't remember what other stuff they ordered when they received it. When the waitress turned her back. April screamed and picked the baby up and went to the cashier. She was yelling and using foul language, not the manager. Well the manager wrote her name and number down and will have someone call her within 48 hrs.

She yelled what about her baby? Manager said You can take the baby to emergency room and have the baby checked out. He gave her his business card and told her send the bill to this address. She said ok she will do that in few days when she can. He said maam, you have to do that today, we will pay for the hospital bill if you take him there today.

She said she will do whatever she want and she getting an attorney and going to sue you and waitress and ihop for everything we can possabley get. Baby has 3 degree burns and also for mental anguish and for damaging our family. Our family will not be the same again. He said thats fine i will still have someone call you within 48hrs, she told him don't bother doing that. I will have my attorney call you.

That is the truth. They lied about the settlement
no lawyer's took the case. She waited almost a week before they both took the baby to hospital.

And as for April and Dale sorry i had to tell them what happened. All those mean things you been telling everybody when they responded that just i had to finally tell everybody what happen.

Oh April and Dale what was your baby's name again? Im not sure but i think you mentioned Mary or someting like that. o well got to go buy all

Ukiah:
I appreciate your opinion, the problem here is Adam. He has chose to continue his childish crap, not only to us, but others on this site. My hospitality is taken out on most, but deemed for him. The fact of the matter is, my husband is very protective of our children and myself. By taking us out (2 days after the accident) he thought this would be good, as I love any time spent as a family. I have SLE, so the pain from this accident is mild in comparison. As for our son, there was no way around what happened, we did everything in our power to help the situation, while IHOP continued to ignore and bash us.

Danielle:
You didn't just stumble onto this site, you're listed rebottling numerous times to others.

Adam:
Again, with your bashing. Someone else, which we tend to disagree with, made it clear on another post stating that you abusive behavior on this site is uncalled for and uneducated. But you came back and replied to them that they were this and that because they stood up for us. That person did not, again we don't always agree on other posts. But your unintelligence shows when you can't even read. May God, you don't even know what an electoral vote is, yet you swear you're a wholesale business owner and been working 29 years. That would make you in your 50's, and yet you act like your two, amazing. You have not only threatened my husband's life on another site, but have done this to others and anyone who has read your post with F as every other word, knows you couldn't possibly own anything. Keep it up, I will personally go to the Editor to see if he will block you from this site, as I'm sure others have.

I have disagreed with others, agreed with others, helped many on this site and can appreciate a good response, but yours are of no common sense. If you take care of a business the way you continue to pick fights, well, we know how people like you wind up, don't we?

I admit it. These folks got me good. I was actually polite to her, and even felt genuine regret for all that had happened to their family.

Well, as the saying goes,

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.

Won't happen again. Turns out, these "grieving parents" Dale and April are actually quite prolific posters here, and in fact are members of the "faculty" of this site - or so they claim. In his own words:

"Oh Adam, anything new in your life? Oh, that's right, you're sit on your but collecting things you don't deserve. Do you know what a comsumer advocate is? Sorry are the words too big for you? That's what we have done, as asked by the EDitor. So get off your fantasy land BS.

Dale - Waldorf, Maryland
U.S.A."

Well, I admit, even I don't know what a "comsumer advocate" is. I've done quite a bit of consulting and advocacy work over the years, but have yet to meet a "comsumer", especially one sitting on his "but".

So, I'm done with these two tag team morons. I knew there was going to be trouble when they put dial up lines in the trailer park down there in MD - and now we are seeing the result. Definitely a lesson learned on my part, won't take this bait again.

You get dumber and dumber don't you? You two have more trouble conducting day to day business than any two poeple I have ever met.Do you think that acting like a decent person might work. I swear I've never had as much trouble as you've had and I'm probably a whole lot older. How can any business measure up to your expectations? Oh by the way April, I do not own a resteraunt. I'm a wholesaler so just keep making assumptions bonehead.

Thank you very much for being a sane voice in bedlam. These poeple are freaks. I really doubt that we can convice them to be rational. I guess we have to let them go where they want to go and do what they want to do.But you sir, make good sense.

I stumbled onto this website and thread quite by accident. I have to say that I just spent the most entertaining 2 hours reading this entire thread. It's like a bad soap opera you can't stop watching or a poorly written romance novel that's just so cheesy you have to keep reading it. For April and Dale, Thank You for this evening's entertainment. I will be sure to look up more of your threads as I have gathered that there are many more. Hopefully they will be as long running and entertaining as this one. :)

"I had server blunt chest trauma, enough so I had trouble breathing for weeks, I broke my right collar bone, needed stitches in my forehead, Sprained my right wrist and had numerous contusions all over. So, my husband and friends took us out thinking this might make us feel better, as we couldn't do anything else. So if you don't know what you're talking about, don't open your mouth. "

Let's stick to the facts here please:

1. I never mentioned your child. An elementary reading of my post should have shown that it was YOUR injuries I was discussing. So much for your "411".

2. "Freak"? So much for intelligent, mature conversation.

3. Finally, am I the only one that read your paragraph above and immediately thought "BS!" ??? I don't think so. Let's disect it. Here is someone who supposedly has gone through everything but childbirth and a heart bypass operation just TWO nights before - and decides that the best treatment for her stitched up, broken, body is to go to the IHOP. Say what ??? Well, stick to your story, that's certainly your right - I'm just stating for the record that it sounds incredible to me, and that I'm not buying it as written. No, I don't know you, nor do I need to. But your credibility only decreases as this tale gets further embellished, and it only weakens your position. If you doubt that, hypothetically speaking only, my opening statement in opposition to your claim would be along these lines:

"This lady, by her own admission, was unfortunately badly injured. Also, photographs that she acknowledges she has in her possession will clearly show that she was not able to carry, transport or properly care for her infant at the time of this unfortunate incident. Furthermore, due to her own needs, other members of the party were quite understandably directing their care and attention to her (again, please see the photographs), rather than the infant. So, it's clear that the resulting incident, however regrettable and unfortunate, would never have happened had the adults in this case simply exercised ordinary common sense and care, and not willingly and knowingly placed themselves and the infant in this situation in the first place."

And honestly, that's about it. Signed, sealed and delivered. Look... I am TRULY sorry for the injury your baby suffered - and in fact I'm just as sorry for whatever injuries you received earlier - and I mean that sincerely. But you must look at the facts in this case (as YOU described them) and get the emotion out of the equation. Once that happens, which of course is a tough thing for a parent (like you and me) to do, I think the responsibility is at least shared, if not totally in your corner. I appreciate that this is not what you want to hear, it's simply my opinion and nothing more.

I sincerely wish you and your family only the very best in the future.

Adam:

Once again you have proven how much of a childish moron you really are. I'm not miss informed, most VA do not continue to use VA services after they leave the service. But, you apparently have, now who's sucking what out of the government. As for our parenting skills, Like any REAL parent will tell you, they're not perfect and you learn as you go, but we are in fact great parents and anyone that knows us would attest to the fact. So your nonsense is unjustified and uncalled for. Again, it must really tick you off to be shot down by so. Many others on this site. Get a job, get a life and get over it.

Ukiah:

What, his hand was burned, not his entire body, where do you people get your 411 from? I was badly injured in a car accident you freak. You want to know what happened; a friend of mine was driving and two cars in front of us slammed her breaks, for no reason, then the car in front of us hit her with such impact that he came backward very fast. My friend slammed her breaks and tried to avoid what was going on in front of us. But we ended up in a front-end-collision type accident because of the car in front coming backward. The entire passenger side, where I was, was completely crushed, want to see pictures? The air bag didn't deploy in time and my forehead went through the windshield, and yes I was wearing a seatbelt. Because of the seat belt, I had server blunt chest trauma, enough so I had trouble breathing for weeks, I broke my right collar bone, needed stitches in my forehead, Sprained my right wrist and had numerous contusions all over. So, my husband and friends took us out thinking this might make us feel better, as we couldn't do anything else. So if you don't know what you're talking about, don't open your mouth.

The only thing that went wrong with our son's situation is still the fact that we got no real apology, again, we never asked for money. Come on, how can you possibly put a price on such negligence of someone else?

"Second I think that these people have had to spend over 2 years defending their child and themselves over and over again about every aspect of their lives"

Agreed. But whose fault is that? THEY willingly and voluntarily chose to originally post their information here, and are now reaping the benefits. Obviously things didn't go as they planned. Oh well....

This ongoing soap opera is only increasing the level of skepticism here. Someone is badly injured in an automobile accident, yet two days later wants to go to the IHOP? Get a clue here folks, someone "badly injured" is in the hospital two WEEKS after an accident.

Frankly, it's amazing to me that this poorly constructed piece of fiction continues to have legs, but it's apparently going to continue.

I have read this report from beginning to end and I have to say that I think that most of the responses have gotten away from the real reason why this report was filed in the first place. First of all no matter what the parents have been involved in the past, I would hope that any parent or people that plan on being parents one day, would react in the same way.

And by that I mean making people aware of certain dangers that they might face if they brought young children into this establishment. If for any reason any parents dissagree with the way that these parents have handled this situation all I have to say to them is WHAT IF IT WAS YOUR CHILD?.

I know that any good parent that this has happened to would not want others to have to through this. Second I think that these people have had to spend over 2 years defending their child and themselves over and over again about every aspect of their lives and I think that most people have forgotten what the real reason this report was filed.

This all was over two parents that apparently loved their child so much as to let other parents know that this happened. That is all.

And an apology from IHOP. Is that to much to ask? I guess that most people think so. Well I feel sorry for those people.

I think they should try to imagine what that poor child will have to face growing up and having to deal with any issues he will have to face from this incident.

If attacking these parents makes you feel better about yourself then I'm glad your life is so meaningless. But don't hate on people for loving their children.

A V.A. hospital is strictly for veterans. That's why it's called veterans affairs. Active duty personnel have their own hospitals. The Navy and Marines use Naval hospitals or Naval Regional Medical Centers. The Army and Air Force each have their own medical facilities.

You seem to be under the impression that the U.S. government just abandons their veterans after they use them. Nothing could be farther than the truth. I get excellent care at the v.a.
Since I am a business owner, I gladly pay a co-pay.If my income were for some reason below a certain level, I would get it free. The same goes for any veteran that is 100% disabled. Thank goodness I don't fall into either catagory. What did you say about Dale shooting me down? All he has done is make false allegations based on no knowledge of the person he's lying about. Oh, I forgot who I was writing to.You do the same thing!

As to the original post, it still, after all this time, sounds as if you used your poor son to perpetrate fraud! I wonder if the state of Maryland has investigated your fitness to be parents? And if not they should.

First of all, this accident has nothing to do with health insurance premiums. This should have been covered under that restaurants general liability policy. And from what I was able to skim through all this mess, adam, you don't have general liability coverage for a restaurant that you own - so check yourself.

i work at a commercial insurance firm, so yo can refrain from calling me an idiot.

Second, this was no one's fault. It was an accident. Servers place food in front of my 1 year old all the time and yes, I try to keep his hands from getting in everything and moving it all away. but in the same sense, the server probably had no idea that the stuff was so hot and 2) if she was as young as she sounds through all this and had no kids of her own, she doesn't know any better.

accident at restaurant = covered by general liability policy/settlement from IHOP. the only premiums that will jump, will be that particular location's general liability.

the end.

Anyone who has a small child knows that their skin is much more sensitive than that of an adult. All of the child care books,doctors, and food labels inform us not to bathe an infant in water warmer than "luke warm", not to microwave baby food, or serve hot liquids, because infants and toddlers are more sensitive to scalding. Whenever I go out to eat with my child I have to be on continual "look out" for negligent wait staff. It bothers me most when a waiter/waitress mentions that a plate is hot and then places it in front of my child. Or worse, hands me a hot plate or beverage over her head. I have been lucky so far. Last year a couple here in the Atlanta Metro was not so lucky. They went to Waffle House with their infant, and the waitress served hot coffee over the child and it spilled. The child had third degree burns. I don't know what happened from this. Hopefully you are still under the advice of an attorney and that you prevail. Hopefully this will prompt restaurants to be more considerate when considering the safety of their smallest customers.

Good Luck!!!

Someone asked why my wife was bruised, etc. She said something early in the posts about why were at at IHOP that night, not sure if it's still up there or not. Anyway, my wife and the other girl that was with us was in a serious car accident two night prior. My wife was injured very badly. Since she could walk that night, we thought it would be a good idea to go out to dinner with the kids. My wife loves our children very much and spending any kind of time with them it always important to her. We didn't figure something would happen and make matters worse. As for the woman from Brandywine, I appreciate your comments as I must have over looked them, unfortunately, I don't remember who was there or wasn't there, sorry, but thank you. As always Stephanie, April thanks you.

April and Dale placed themselves in the line of fire to try to show other people what can and has happened to them on this site to educate other people.

Constant attacks on their intelligence and actual living style of life is not what was intended when they posted.

Everyone of you that have put negative nasty comments on this site are not intelligent or supportive.

This site was designed to put information out there for review by others about things that occur to be placed in a forum for discussion. Your putdowns, negative name calling, and rude banter is not helpful for others that are reading this post.

If you dont like what they have posted, you do have the choice to MOVE ON!

GET OVER YOURSELVES. MOVE ON. This family has been through enough. Their story is old and your new additions only add water to a drowning boat.

I have been reading this post, and I know everyone has an opinion about it, but my question is, why was the response by a witness never mentioned in later posts? It seems there was someone who had seen the entire thing and recollects it in a well versed manner, but yet, there is no follow up listed? And if it was a true retaelling of the events, what were the bruises and pain on the mother from? Just curious...It was interesting to read the writers summary. I will paste it again here so you don't have to search for it.

"I saw everything.....

I think that these people need to hear what someone else saw. I was there when all this happened. I work down the street from this IHOP. I come there once a week for the last 7 years, so I know most of the staff there. I have kept quiet as Kevin, the manager then and now, knows who I am, and this may start some negative responses when I come in.

However, you all have a lot of this situation wrong. I don't know if the readers here don't understand what really took place, as the parents seem to be getting more and more upset as people make the kind of responses that they have. Now, I don't blame them for getting upset, this is a little kid we're all talking about. So, I will tell you everything I remember about that night and you all can make what you want of it.

My friend and I were sitting at a both on the right side of the restaurant, so I was able to see everything that took place. There were 3 or 4 others tables being used at this time, they weren't busy at all. These people were unforgettable as so many things kept you interested in them. There was 4 adults, 3 children (2 little boys and a little girl) and this baby.

I remember them walking in because the mother seemed to be in a lot of pain. The father had to help her to the seat and with her jacket. She had horrible looking bruises along her arms. The hostess sat them all in 3 tables, side by side, but not together. I remember the other lady asking if they could move the tables together and the hostess replied that the tables did not move, she was sorry for the inconvenience as they had no seating for more than 6 people. The baby was in a high chair and the only place he could sit was at the end, the other end was attached to the waitress's station.

I saw the mother and father sitting one on each side of the baby and each child sat by an adult. Both the men seemed very concerned with the mother's well-being and kept asking if she was OK and if she needed anything. I remember one time she replied, I'm fine, I'll heal and my family is all here. Like I said, you could not forget this family.

The waitress came over and asked for drink orders, then came back and asked for their food orders. These kids were well behaved, the children ordered with a please and a thank you. They all seemed so happy, something most of us don't seem to have ourselves anymore. A little later, the waitress came out with a tray full of food. Instead of her sitting the tray down at one of the tables behind them , she started handing plates to the mother and father to hand down. As they were handing the plates down, she did place a bowl of gravy right in front of this baby. And kept placing plates in front of him.

The parents continuously kept picking these plates up. Then this horrible accident happened. The baby starts screaming, he was rubbing his little hands together. The father picked up napkins trying to get it off. Then the mother grabs one and starts wiping the other hand. The napkins were just sticking to this little ones hands. The waitress walks away, like nothing was going on.

I'm sure these people thought that maybe she was going for help or something. The mother runs a pile of napkins to the bathroom and comes back with them dripping with water. She looked to be in so much pain herself. She wipes the baby's hands and starts crying. I looked over again and the baby's hands were so red and bumps started emerging. The father was trying to calm to mother down and the baby was still screaming.

The other man stood up looking for someone that worked there. Like I said, they were not busy, but all of a sudden there no one. Finally, the waitress comes back and asks how everything was. I thought the father was going to hit her. The mother tells her that she was stupid enough to place food in front of a baby and in less she was deaf she had to know he was hurt. The other man told her to they were leaving. She told them that she had to get her manager. They waited and waited, the mother was getting more and more upset. Another waitress comes over and tells them that the manager was coming, the mother told her to tell him to hurry up, she wanted to get her son to a doctor.

Kevin finally comes out and tells them that they had to wait for their bill before they could leave. The other man told Kevin he must be kidding. Kevin gets loud and tells them that they ordered food and needed to pay for it. The other man told him that none of the children were even served and no one else was going to eat, so they were leaving. Kevin tells them that if they move he would call the police and have them arrested.

The man called him an A??hole. The mother was still crying and tells Kevin, she couldn't understand anything he was saying. Kevin is African and has a very strong accent. He tells her to sit there and he'll be back in a minute. At least 15 minutes passed and he comes back and gives the mother the bill, no kidding.

She gets everyone up and they go over to the counter. My friend and I were just sitting there in amazement to all this. Kevin was at the counter talking to a woman who walked in. The mother asked him if he minded they just pay the bill and leave. He told her to shut up that he'd get to her in a minute. The other woman told him they were leaving. Another man walks up behind them and Kevin takes his bill and tell shim that he was so sorry for the disturbance during his dinner and tells him to go ahead without paying. The mother asked if there was a district manager there, he was I think his name is Dave, and he was standing right around the corner listening to everything. Kevin tells her that the district manager already left. She then asks to please let her pay her bill so she could get the baby to a doctor.

Kevin tells her to give him their F???ing bill. The other woman said, Excuse me? He snatches the bill from the mother's hand. Then starts talking to the woman again. The other woman grabs the mother and said, Let him call the cops. and drags her out the door. Kevin says, Get back here B???h! The other woman gave him the finger as they were leaving and tells the mother, she did not have to put up with anyone like that.

Then the other manager walks back around the corner and stands by the window writing their tag numbers down. He calls the police from the front desk, by this time my friend and I were standing up at the counter just shacking our heads. Dave tells the police that a family just left without paying and was causing a loss in their profit from starting a big scene.

He told them that their little brat could not keep his hands away from the food long enough for their waitress to move the food from his reach and the parents got hostile. I looked at both of them when he finally hung up and told them that they were real jerks. I paid my bill and left.

Now I want everyone to know that Kevin is still the manager at this IHOP. I'm sure what took place after they left will upset them even more, and I am truly sorry. But if these parents are reading this, I want you to know that this was not your fault and don't ever blame yourself.

The waitress could have done many things differently, easy things, like walking from table to table with the food. But she didn't and this accident happened. I hope your baby is doing much better. I think he is was so young he'll never remember any of it. As for your other children, you are doing something right.

I am a 56 year old grandmother and wish my grandchildren were so well behaved and polite. Ignore these people, they don't know what you had to go through. Anyone else would have handle things with much more aggression, you stayed calmed and that was good for your children. God bless you and your family.

I wanted to approach someone else's comments about the parents saying the child is Autistic because of this accident. I must have read something different, as I remember them stating what their child's doctor stated. I also read that they did not believe or feel this was the case.

I know for a fact that doctor's will tell parents anything for an extra buck, maybe this doctor thought they could get something from IHOP too. It seems that they are handling their child's need without this doctor's comments. Hopefully they got a new one. I deal with many special needs children as part of my job. You would not believe some of the things parents are told that has cause one problem or another with their child. I've heard it all.

If you have insurance, try to stay within the Children's Hospital doctor's circle. They are great with children like yours. So many children are improving yearly with different special needs. We also have a center that can help you in LaPlata called the Gwynn Center, if you haven't contacted them, please do. They help children up to age 3, they can help with getting him into a school to improve and give you references to support groups and resources.

These people are great. Again, God bless you and I hope everything works out. I dope everyone can understand their situation a little better.

Mary - Brandywine, Maryland
U.S.A."

Just wanted to know what was thought about that, thanks

Let me just say that:

1. I am not an employee of IHOP
2. I do have children
3. No one in my family has ever been burned at IHOP

Personally, I love IHOP restaurants. I think their food is great and I've never had a problem with the service. I just wish there were more of them around here. I see more of them out of state.

Having said that, I do think that April should take the money and move on with her life. This whole thing has gone on for too long and degenerated into a shouting match.

adam, While I do not support Dale or his wife April and think that their story is outrageous, I wonder if you for sure know they are on welfare and getting food stamps, because you are attacking them pretty hard. I can understand not believing a thing they say and I also think they are challenged in many ways and that there are things to say to tell them what you think, but I really don't think IF they are not on welfare that you should be using that as something to really get to them, I don't like the welfare system either and I resent that my tax dollars are supporting these people. I have worked hard all my life for what I have, raised 4 children on my own, so I can see why you would be getting down on them if they are welfare recipiants, but if you don't know that for sure you are really attacking the wrong issue, and I am only asking if you know for sure so please don't rip into me. In all fairness attacking someone accusing them of being on welfare and not really knowing is out of line, and if you do know for sure, sorry I was just asking, I also have been following this report and rebuttles for a while as I just fell onto it one day and it sparked my nerves as it has everyones, thanks

Ok, I'm going to speak up now. I think my husband has shot down Adam on numerous occasions, but for some reason, Adam continues to make himself look more and more like a less than credible human being. Let me emphasize: In Adams reports, He's made the comments, Please get a dictionary and use spell check, and I'm writing this slowly and I'm not using big words OK Adam, lets look at your posts..

Calling the kettle black aren't you? In fact, there are little to no errors on my or my husbands side, however you seem to have a problem with capitalization, spelling (by the way when you want to use your word of the day, maybe you need to use spell check), misuse of words, improper grammar, etc. etc. etc. Wow, now what was that you were saying. Maybe next time you write slowly, you should read what you've written.

Now, you claim that you were honorably discharged VA, however you're still getting medical assistance from a VA hospital. Usually people don't continue to receive care from a VA hospital once discharged. I think that you were medically discharged, hello, that's neither honorably nor dishonorably. Sounds a little off to me, as I'm sure it does to many others.

You claim to be a business owner. Again, that seems far fetched considering you ego and arrogance. If you run a business like you run your mouth, I'm sure your business is less than mediocre. Lets face it, a business can only survive by the customers and since your inability to sound half-way intelligent, I doubt very seriously you could run/own any type of business, unless maybe, just maybe, a real down in the dumps kind of' bar.

Then you claim to have five children who you've taught to be well behaved in public. Bull! First, I can't see any reason why anyone would want to have one child with someone like you, much less five. Maybe your morphine drip is going a little too fast. No human being is perfect nor five children, so save the bull for your social worker. All parents, at least real parents, will admit when they're wrong, they teach their children right from wrong and sometimes it works. Let me tell you something Mr. Arrogance; my youngest was 15 months old when this happened, he'll be 4 in a month. At 15 months, there is no teaching a child right from wrong in this aspect or this report. You can teach them the meaning of no but that the jest of it. As a parent, you claim to be, you would know this. I also have 8 year old twins. One is ADHD with bi-polar. As a REAL parent, I can tell you first hand it isn't easy raising a child, much less raising two with special needs. But they behave as best they can. On numerous occasions, we have been stopped and told have well behaved our children are, especially in restaurants and theaters. But let me guess, you're one of those self-righteous jerks who think that children with special needs should not be able to enjoy life and the things of life like other children. I think we get that from the arrogance of your posts. My children deserve the same things that everyone else does. Your children are obviously normal everyday children, and I can tell you, unless you children are scared to death of you because you've beat them down so much, they will have days that they WILL NOT behave. And again, he was 15 months old, and there was nothing we could do to help or control what happened.

You had enough nerve to claim that we've exploited our youngest child. What report are you reading? I told IHOP I wanted an apology. That's when they started a lot of crap with us, they sent their insurance man here, we never asked for anything but an apology. Yet IHOP continuously refused such. They kept saying, The waitress was only 17 and doesn't have children of her own So, they expected that to make my son all better????

You are obviously not this high and mighty legit human being that you continue to claim, nor are you this picture perfect father nor a people-person. You are the type of person that people will avoid at every cross roads. You like to read your comments thinking that makes you special, hate to break it to you, you're not. You can continue to post your comments and each time, if need be, I will strike them down. As a parent, I will see fit to make my child's voice heard as he can not do this himself. You need a clue about the real world. Sadly enough, I have been to Anchorage on several occasions and it is a beautiful place to visit, it's a shame someone like you lives there.

Adam,

You continuously show how much of an idiot you truly are. Let me make you look even more idiotic; My wife holds several degrees, we both run a company and together make more in one year than you could make in five. Neither my wife or I have EVER used drugs, unlike yourself apparently. Neither of us have ever been in a need for assistance such as food stamps or medical assistance, again unlike your apparently. My wife and her family have been huge contributors to a majority of charities, they've helped the less fortunate, and anyone else that has needed help. Not to mention my wife's cousin is a local senator.

We have never asked for a hand out in any way. We did not ask for anything but an apology from IHOP, but again you apparently can't read. This entire report was to let other's know what happened so that it doesn't happen to them. The only one doing any exploiting here is yourself. You're exploiting this site for your own stupid, selfish, idiotic fantasy life where you wish you were something that you're obviously not. This site encourages opinions, not people like you who seem to be running a private contest on just how many people they can piss off in one day. Heaven help the American people if all our troops and former troops are like you. You are in serious need of a reality check.

Wrong again, Dale! The only assistance I recieve is medical treatment at the V.A.Hospital here in Anchorage. And believe me, I deserve it. I own my own business and contribute to my community in many ways. I'm sure an illiterate human sponge that would use his own son to commit fraud cannot say any of these things without lying his a## off!
Please get a dictionary or use spellcheck if you must respond.

I hope you and April spend your food stamps on food instead of trading them on the hard drugs that seem to have ruined your deadbeat mind. I hope you can read this, I tried not to use too many big words.

Adam, I think the people can see for themselves that you are only here to make an A** of yourself, for you've done that time and time again. What's wrong, you can dish it but not take it? Get over yourself! And again, I doubt verys eriously you're one of the working class you speach so much about. You rebuttal shows that in itself. Thanks for proving my point.

April, Dale, I hope the family is doing well these days... how old is that kid now? Is he in college yet?

There are a few points I'd like to address.

First, on years of continued rebuttals to this report. Every now and then somebody pipes in about how stupid it is that this has gone on for so long. I disagree. The fact that this report has remained active for over two years speaks to the pertinence of the issue hand. There are so many angles to this story that affect us all as consumers, as parents, as wanna-be doctors and lawyers, etc. There is nothing at all wrong with the fact that this has gone on for so long, and there's nothing wrong with Dale and April's continuing defense of their position. Any of us would do the same.

Second, the public policy issue and the story at hand. When you operate any business, or engage in virtually any endeavor that produces a benefit to you, you assume the inherent liabilities. As the business owner benefits from his operation, so must he carry the burdens.

A restaurant owes a duty of care to its customers. That duty includes ensuring that the food is delivered safely. In this case, it appears as though the restaurant failed in that regard.

Whether you or I or a seventeen year old waitress would be able to foresee the risk inherent in placing a hot gelatinous substance in front of a fifteen month old child is irrelevant. The ony relevant inquiry is whether the person operating the business should have foreseen the possibility of this type of event and taken steps to prevent it. If that means holding monthly meetings with his waitstaff just to remind them not to put the B+G in front of a baby, then so be it. If he chooses not to actively prevent such occurences, or even if he tries but fails, then he bears the risk of loss.

You reap the benefits of ownership, you bear the burden of liability.

Third, the issue of fault. This is where a lot of people are getting hung up. The common rebuttal is that the parents were at fault for not controlling their child. I disagree. First, all of us parents can attest to the fact that the arms of a fifteen month old are very unpredictable. Adam, you claim that you raised your children to behave in restaurants. I don't doubt that such is true, but how well behaved were they at fifteen months? Nothing short of a straight-jacket will prevent the random flailings of an infant. Were the parents supposed to physically restrain the child while the food was being delivered? This is probably the only way this could have been prevented, but if you read the original report you will see that this was impossible.

The server, regardless of her level of competence, had a duty to serve the food in a safe manner and take steps to prevent all foreseeable accidents. She failed in this regard. These is not a case of parents that were letting their kid run wild in a restaurant. This is a case of a baby, sitting in a high chair, who had a very hot plate of food placed in front of her by a negligent server. No amount of "babysitting" could have prevented this occurence. The only person reasonably capable of preventing this accident was the server.

Finally, to this oddball "insurance" issue. The "increased insurance" argument is logically flawed. Forcing IHOP to pay the bill, vs. the parents billing it to their own insurance, is a nullity. Either way the same costs are expended. If the parents had gotten a judgment including pain and suffering, emotional distress, etc., this would be different. As the situation was resolved, however, the ultimate settlement probably didn't even cover the emergency room visit. Under either situation, an insurer is going to pay. Are you suggesting that they shouldn't have sought medical attention in the first place? If so, that kind of shoots down your father of the year defense.

no I'm not on drugs or welfare. I am an honorably
discharged veteran.I am also the proud father of five children. My children were taught how to behave in restraunts, stores etc. As for accuesing me of munchouesen by proxy, you obviously are projectinong your own illness on me.

you need to take your responsability much more seriously to your children and the rest of society. Please quit being a drag on the rest of humanity. And please take better care of your children. I,ts a shame that a**holes can have kids without having to have a license but drivers do.

Do you children and the rest of humanity a favor and consider adopting your kids out so they will be safe and loved and not in danger. You make me freakin' sick you drain on the on the poeple who work and contribute to humanityyou pies of crap!

I work in the service business and all I have to say to you and all others who take their children out to restaurants is WATCH THEM!!!! We are not there to babysit. We are doing our job. It's a simple concept. You order, we bring it to the table. If you can't control your brat or are not watching them then be prepared for the worst. If you took it with you to your place of work would you expect your co-workers to watch over the spawn of satan?

All I'm saying is you deserve $0.00 because you didn't pay attention to what your brat was doing.

P.S 3rd degree burns turn black and are charred on the edge/outside of the wound.

Dale, you said, "It's sad when some have nothing better to do than to BS on this site for years."
Well the reason is, people stumble in here and find this nonsense you and April are posting and make a rebuttal. Then you have to come back in and make another one of your comments. Then we all come back in to see what c**k-a-mamie thing you have to say. The entire cycle starts all over again. Now, I'm not as smart as you or April, or at least not as smart as you believe you are, but even I figured it out. Perhaps you should put it to rest Dale. I think I hear your village calling you.

To Adam,

You are obviously one of those BSer's on Welfare. This should prove to Social Services that people too lazy to work should not be given a computer. Yeh, I take it you're also one who received one from my tax money. First you apparently used your thesis button to make yourself look a tiny bit brighter, yet you can seem to find the big button that says, SHIFT. Then your last paragraph sounds like some yahoo on drugs.

Let me make this clear, we did supervise our child, if you'd read this report, you'd know that. Don't say you have kids, when you proved otherwise with your utterly abusive language, ED must not have seen it or it would not even have been posted. You can read the rules of the site, right, maybe not?!? Quite frankly, I don't even think you have a job nor have ever held one, if by some strange chance you landed one, it must be with IHOP. [LOL] Insurance premiums aren't a problem, it's the cost of medication that plagues the honest working people like us. We did not wait until the next day, my wife spoke with the doctor and other medical staff that very night, so really? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but when you open your mouth and rant and rave about what you don't know, you should learn to keep your mouth shut. Like I've said before this is done and over with. The only parasites are people like you. I think you've shown everyone else just how sickly demented your lifestyle is.

By the way, if your insurance premium is getting higher, it's because of you. The simple fact is, people like you like to start things they can't finish to make themselves fell better about their munchausen syndrome type of life style. Doctor's are there when there is an emergency or real health concern, not for a little boo-boo on your hand or why you have some nasty rash from whatever you spent the night before with. You want to talk about responsibility, maybe you should look at yourself. Remember that!

Had you been an alert parent to begin with, the child would never been harmed. It is incumbant on you to ensure your childs safety at all times!
Blaming the server is just your way of abdicating responsibility to others to assuage your own guilt. You waited a day to seek medical assistance thus making no effort to mitigate the damage as any concerned parents should. you epitomize the litigous, something for nothing attitude that permeates our society to the detriment of us all. especially those who depend on us as parents to teach them personal responsibility and the basics of right and wrong.

By the way, are you folks on wefare? If so, remember,there are those of us who work, pay high insurance premiums, and are disgusted by those who make an already expensive system worse due to your me me me f**k every other honest person let them cover it bullshit mentality.We the working, responsible pay for your sick lifestyle. Get a life you parasite.My insurance is always getting higher due to "money for nothing dirtbags" like you

Our son did have 2nd and 3rd degree burns, as said many times. We DID WHAT HIS DOCTOR TOLD US. So, please get on with your lives, we did. It's sad when some have nothing better to do than to BS on this site for years.

yes lisa, we all asked that question many moons ago. I myself worked in a childrens burn unit for 8 years, and I sooo totally agree with you.
3rd degree burns do not get treated with ointment, they get grafted. This whole thing has been crazy and has taken on a life of it's own, someone will stumble onto this report and will be appalled and then give their rebuttle, then the editor let's us know when there has been a new opinion givin, I haven't seen dale or april here lately, but then from reading all this I think it has been going on some 2 years or more. None of what they ever said made any sense. And then people write in and give their opinion that any of us who dare to respond to any of it have no life, ya know it's a big ol free world out here and we can respond how we wish and shouldn't be critized for it.

yes lisa, we all asked that question many moons ago. I myself worked in a childrens burn unit for 8 years, and I sooo totally agree with you.
3rd degree burns do not get treated with ointment, they get grafted. This whole thing has been crazy and has taken on a life of it's own, someone will stumble onto this report and will be appalled and then give their rebuttle, then the editor let's us know when there has been a new opinion givin, I haven't seen dale or april here lately, but then from reading all this I think it has been going on some 2 years or more. None of what they ever said made any sense. And then people write in and give their opinion that any of us who dare to respond to any of it have no life, ya know it's a big ol free world out here and we can respond how we wish and shouldn't be critized for it.

YOU SAID : ( He then looks at the people behind us and tells them not to worry about their bill, and he was sorry for there inconvience. Really!! I just stood stunned, he then says, what the F*** is my problem, I told him to just let me pay my bill. After that he proceeded to call me a b***h and told me to give him my F-ing bill. When I told him that he had it, he started up some more, so I said 'that's it' I'm through, and walked out.

(((My son had to see his regular doctor the next day and she was overwhelmed by what happened. Unfortunately, there isn't too much they can do for him because of his age and he's small. She could only give him a ointment to apply when he feel asleep. By Friday of that week, he ended up with an infection in the blister; they were starting to pop. ))))))))))))


If he was burned so bad why not take him to the hospital ? Why did you wait until the next day?

Children in burn units get treatment for 3rd degree burns. More than ointment .. I just happened on this site I caught this in the begining of yout statement. Seems odd to go home with a bad burn and wait until the next day. FISHY FISHY ...........

Wait!? There were how many capable adults around THAT COULD HAVE PAID THE BILL WHILE YOU WENT TO THE HOSPITAL? But you stayed arguing with the manager? And ANY ER will take a child in, no matter what the reason. I am a clerical registration employee at Tampa General Hospital in Tampa Florida. It's my job to register paitents when they come to the ER.

Luckily we have an outstanding burn unit available right here but ANY ER will take anyone in for immediate attention. Even if they can not do anything for them. If for no other reason but to potentially save than person's life and then send them on their way.

This is INSANE. I realize this thread has been going on for two years and took me about an hour to read the whole thing but whether or not the waitress was responsible I have not seen anywhere in the reports or bebuttals where either Dale or April have taken any responsibility for not getting their child immediate medical attention. As I said I am an employee of the hosptial here in Tampa so I looked it up on Mapquest.

There are two hospitals, one in each direction north and south, within 15 miles of the incident. Southern Maryland Hospital has an excellent trama center and Civista Medical Center has helitransport for just such cases. Not to mention Children's Hospital in Washington DC. We have flown children from here for DC for treatment.
When does ANY of the blame that is being saught out reflect back on the main characters, the parents?

Money or no money, burns or no burns YOUR CHILD IS WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT PLAYER IN THIS SCENE. You dropped the ball in protecting your child. The server may have been negligent in her duties however, You again are the main protector of your child. I was completely blown away by the fact that with all that had happened you were more concerned with paying the bill?

As I asked in the beginning, How many other adults were there? And if they did not have the funds to pay, Why didn't you just hand over your wallet and get to the hospital. Sir and Madame I contest your claim that any liability falls anywhere except squarly on your shoulders. You facilitated the argument with the manager, you by not taking what was the real priority and deligating the smaller to others.

You instigated the continuation of an already horrific incident by not seeking IMMEDIATE medical attention. All that would have need to be said is in the loudest voice anyone could muster, SOMEONE HELP! SOMEONE DIAL 911 HELP MY CHILD! Step back and remember what is important, not the money, not the shame, not the argument, not the blame, but the Health and Well being of your CHILD.
Mother of 3,

To the last person here who rebutted dale and aprils rip off report, the reason people keep sending in their rebuttles is because everyone reads this one in particular and gets caught up in it because it is so bizzar, the things that Dale and April stated in the beginning were just ridiculous, and people responded and they keep responding because Dale and April keep answering back as well as everyone else who has visited this site answeres back, and we have a right to, and if people want to answer back my rebuttle, that's ok with me, I don't pay much attention to that and while ripp off report is a great place to file a complaint, you can also rebutt if you wish.

It sounds like to me that it bothers you that people are rebutting after 2 years, and you state we have no life, well I think that's not so, because I have a life, and it's been some time since I've rebutted on this particular issue, but I have the right to do that without anyone saying any thing about it.

It's a free world kids and the editor lets everyoine know when there's a new rebuttle so it's not like everyone is flocking to this site to see what Dale and April have said, if I get an alert that there has been a rebuttle, of course I like to log on and see what's said, that's all, and if I read one that really gets my dander up I might respond, I love ripp off report, so keep on keepin on folks.

I have read this very long thread and I couldn't help but notice that the original rip off report was filed on 7/20/2002 and yet on 9/5/2004, well over 2 years later, April is still posting angry comments about what other people are saying. I just don't understand. I thought this site was a place where consumers could come to express the problems they have had with a business and to warn other consumers about problems encountered. April did that. For that I am appreciative and it will definately make me more aware of my situation the next time I enter an IHOP. However the posters on this issue continue to badger April and Dale about the situation instead of using it as advice or warning. Also after 2 years of negative comments from readers, April and Dale, why do you continue to post? You have stated your problem in your original rip off report and why after 2 years do you care what other people are posting? Some of these people who you probably don't know and have never met? I feel for you in your situation, I too am a mother of 3, however I don't understand why after this long period you care what these people think? If you know what you stated in your original rip off report is truth than why do you continually try to defend it to people you don't know, to people who probably don't care and are probably only using this thread for something to do? Who cares what they think? You know what happened, you know the truth, you are dealing with it, you posted a rip off report to warn consumers of the problems you encountered with a business and above all else you are handling it the best way you can. What more can you say? I commend April and Dale for posting a rip off report about their unfortunate experience with IHOP. I feel bad for those people who have to come on here and badmouth April and Dale because they are bored with their lives. Plus I am the first to admit that I only read this thread because I too was bored and needed something to do. It was very easy to get caught up in it all while I continued to read on and on. But I just can't shake the feeling that April and Dale did what they could to help the consumer by posting a rip off report and that anyone who posts afterwards should be posting about their own experiences with IHOP or about how April and Dale's experience has in some way either helped or hindered their decision to eat at IHOP. In that respect, I would like to say that I have been to IHOP only once in my life in Fargo, ND and even though the staff was cordial, I felt the pancakes were pretty small for an International House of Pancakes. I guess I expected a little more from a business that supposedly specializes in pancakes. I was disappointed and I do not believe that I will be going to an IHOP again.

I have read this very long thread and I couldn't help but notice that the original rip off report was filed on 7/20/2002 and yet on 9/5/2004, well over 2 years later, April is still posting angry comments about what other people are saying. I just don't understand. I thought this site was a place where consumers could come to express the problems they have had with a business and to warn other consumers about problems encountered. April did that. For that I am appreciative and it will definately make me more aware of my situation the next time I enter an IHOP. However the posters on this issue continue to badger April and Dale about the situation instead of using it as advice or warning. Also after 2 years of negative comments from readers, April and Dale, why do you continue to post? You have stated your problem in your original rip off report and why after 2 years do you care what other people are posting? Some of these people who you probably don't know and have never met? I feel for you in your situation, I too am a mother of 3, however I don't understand why after this long period you care what these people think? If you know what you stated in your original rip off report is truth than why do you continually try to defend it to people you don't know, to people who probably don't care and are probably only using this thread for something to do? Who cares what they think? You know what happened, you know the truth, you are dealing with it, you posted a rip off report to warn consumers of the problems you encountered with a business and above all else you are handling it the best way you can. What more can you say? I commend April and Dale for posting a rip off report about their unfortunate experience with IHOP. I feel bad for those people who have to come on here and badmouth April and Dale because they are bored with their lives. Plus I am the first to admit that I only read this thread because I too was bored and needed something to do. It was very easy to get caught up in it all while I continued to read on and on. But I just can't shake the feeling that April and Dale did what they could to help the consumer by posting a rip off report and that anyone who posts afterwards should be posting about their own experiences with IHOP or about how April and Dale's experience has in some way either helped or hindered their decision to eat at IHOP. In that respect, I would like to say that I have been to IHOP only once in my life in Fargo, ND and even though the staff was cordial, I felt the pancakes were pretty small for an International House of Pancakes. I guess I expected a little more from a business that supposedly specializes in pancakes. I was disappointed and I do not believe that I will be going to an IHOP again.

I have read this very long thread and I couldn't help but notice that the original rip off report was filed on 7/20/2002 and yet on 9/5/2004, well over 2 years later, April is still posting angry comments about what other people are saying. I just don't understand. I thought this site was a place where consumers could come to express the problems they have had with a business and to warn other consumers about problems encountered. April did that. For that I am appreciative and it will definately make me more aware of my situation the next time I enter an IHOP. However the posters on this issue continue to badger April and Dale about the situation instead of using it as advice or warning. Also after 2 years of negative comments from readers, April and Dale, why do you continue to post? You have stated your problem in your original rip off report and why after 2 years do you care what other people are posting? Some of these people who you probably don't know and have never met? I feel for you in your situation, I too am a mother of 3, however I don't understand why after this long period you care what these people think? If you know what you stated in your original rip off report is truth than why do you continually try to defend it to people you don't know, to people who probably don't care and are probably only using this thread for something to do? Who cares what they think? You know what happened, you know the truth, you are dealing with it, you posted a rip off report to warn consumers of the problems you encountered with a business and above all else you are handling it the best way you can. What more can you say? I commend April and Dale for posting a rip off report about their unfortunate experience with IHOP. I feel bad for those people who have to come on here and badmouth April and Dale because they are bored with their lives. Plus I am the first to admit that I only read this thread because I too was bored and needed something to do. It was very easy to get caught up in it all while I continued to read on and on. But I just can't shake the feeling that April and Dale did what they could to help the consumer by posting a rip off report and that anyone who posts afterwards should be posting about their own experiences with IHOP or about how April and Dale's experience has in some way either helped or hindered their decision to eat at IHOP. In that respect, I would like to say that I have been to IHOP only once in my life in Fargo, ND and even though the staff was cordial, I felt the pancakes were pretty small for an International House of Pancakes. I guess I expected a little more from a business that supposedly specializes in pancakes. I was disappointed and I do not believe that I will be going to an IHOP again.

I have read this very long thread and I couldn't help but notice that the original rip off report was filed on 7/20/2002 and yet on 9/5/2004, well over 2 years later, April is still posting angry comments about what other people are saying. I just don't understand. I thought this site was a place where consumers could come to express the problems they have had with a business and to warn other consumers about problems encountered. April did that. For that I am appreciative and it will definately make me more aware of my situation the next time I enter an IHOP. However the posters on this issue continue to badger April and Dale about the situation instead of using it as advice or warning. Also after 2 years of negative comments from readers, April and Dale, why do you continue to post? You have stated your problem in your original rip off report and why after 2 years do you care what other people are posting? Some of these people who you probably don't know and have never met? I feel for you in your situation, I too am a mother of 3, however I don't understand why after this long period you care what these people think? If you know what you stated in your original rip off report is truth than why do you continually try to defend it to people you don't know, to people who probably don't care and are probably only using this thread for something to do? Who cares what they think? You know what happened, you know the truth, you are dealing with it, you posted a rip off report to warn consumers of the problems you encountered with a business and above all else you are handling it the best way you can. What more can you say? I commend April and Dale for posting a rip off report about their unfortunate experience with IHOP. I feel bad for those people who have to come on here and badmouth April and Dale because they are bored with their lives. Plus I am the first to admit that I only read this thread because I too was bored and needed something to do. It was very easy to get caught up in it all while I continued to read on and on. But I just can't shake the feeling that April and Dale did what they could to help the consumer by posting a rip off report and that anyone who posts afterwards should be posting about their own experiences with IHOP or about how April and Dale's experience has in some way either helped or hindered their decision to eat at IHOP. In that respect, I would like to say that I have been to IHOP only once in my life in Fargo, ND and even though the staff was cordial, I felt the pancakes were pretty small for an International House of Pancakes. I guess I expected a little more from a business that supposedly specializes in pancakes. I was disappointed and I do not believe that I will be going to an IHOP again.

I am so sorry for the mother and her toddler that got burned. You will recall other similar suits brought by comsumers against fast food places for serving extremely hot coffee. I think the settlement amount for that was appealed. But clearly some of these servers are not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Or did the server warn that the plate was hot? Nonetheless, she still should not have placed it in front of a hungry child. I worked for years in product liability and malpractice law, and for this mother I would suggest contacting the Consumer Affairs Division through the Attorney General's office in your state. Private attorneys will just throw up their hands, but since this is something that obviously affects consumers on the whole, I believe this is the best way. You WILL get action from them, just send all your documentation (make copies first!) certified mail, and I'll bet that after hearing from that office, IHOP will have skidmarks in its pants. DON'T accept that piddly settlement. Don't sign any releases - it is carelessness and negligence and should never have happened. IHOP is liable and should pay for its stupidity and gross lack of concern for paying customers.

Good luck and keep us posted on your son's progress!

I felt the need to bust this rebuttal down to size. First, you must have never been to an IHOP, if you were you, "They never place anything in a container, blah blah blah," that's BS and we all know it. They ALWAYS place gravy in a bowl or cup. I never contradicted myself, you have, however done so. Before going and trying to pick someone's report to attack, you may want to read more carefully or at least visit said place before making an incorrect fact.

To this mother in question who's child was "severely burned" at IHOP. First of all in your original post, you stated that "plates were being passed around" and then the waitress placed the hot plate of biscuits and gravy in front of the toddler. After someone challenged your claim and said it was your son's fault for putting his hands in the gravy, you then contradicted your whole story by saying "there was nothing on the table except our drinks and she set the hot gravy directly in front of the toddler".

First you say that plates were being passed around, then you say there was nothing on the table but drinks when the hot gravy was placed in front of the child. I also do not understand, if the injury was so severe, why you did not go straight to the emergency room instead of waiting until the next day to visit a doctor. Even though you claim the manager was arguing with you, any mother with a hurt child would walk right past him and go to the emergency room. You have removed any possible credibility to your story.

When someone gave said you should have poured cold drinks on the burn, you claimed there were no drinks, after you said in a previous post that drinks were on the table. You can not get your story straight. I happen to be a waiter at IHOP, and I hate to sound rude, but waiters and waitresses are not babysitters. We do not get paid to be babysitters. You should have been paying attention.

I think all you want is money. And to the editor who seems to keep siding with your ever-changing story, gravy is served differently at different restaurants. At IHOP on the biscuits and gravy, the server does not pour any gravy into any container whatsoever.

The kitchen pours the gravy on the biscuits, then the food sits in the window, waiting to be served.

My advice to parents with infant or toddlers, dine at home. Waiters and waitresses do not have time to babysit your babies while you sit and talk.

To call anybody an idiot ..on the basis of ignoring doctors advice, is lunacy.

Sheesh ..are you nuts?

Doctors are not always right, and in fact often dont even know the real problem is.

To automatically accept a doctors opinion is lunacy.

In my own case, 3 years ago I had serious problems due to altitude. And major side effects from that.

Doctor overmedicated me for months...
Which eventually caused my imune system to have problems..

When I rejected his analaysis that he couldnt do anything, I went to health food store, and actually got cured overnight.

New doctor 24 hrs later, said I had nothing wrong, though he saw the evidence that I had the problems, but not anymore.

Also the new doc eliminated all but one of my medications (that being Atenolol).

Nowdays, even with my new doctor who treats the person and not the disease, he invites me to question his analysis.

Thank you to those trying to put a stop to the contnuous bashing by David and others. As I had posting on another report, David actually made fun of my son being burnt, yet says he was making fun of us. If you read his rebuttal on that post, you'll see it was in fact my son being made fun of. He appearently believes that anyone who posts is a liar and continously attacks all who disagree with him by abusive language. Hey, according to him, if you aren't a Bush supporter, you're a terrorist, whatever happened to freedom of speech?

By all means, I invite you all to look up any report my wife or I have ever posted, as all these posts are are several years old. We update when asked a question, etc. However, this David perfers to go through old reports and start them back up. We have also wrote an update when a company has changed their ways. Most people would not do such. I will be contacting ED about this continous harassment not only to us, but anyone else he feels he wants to start something with.

Any post we've ever made has been to inform the public as to what we have seen or beeen through ourselves. I have personally sent many people to this site, as I was asked to be an advocate. Appearently, David is unaware of what the word avocate means. Why was I asked because I have been helping the States AG, US Chamber of Commerce and this site take down a large company that has scam millions of people. I have been interveiwed by local papers, 20/20, Orlando channel 9 news, and numerous others. As a result, a special editorial letter went into a magazine (which I can not give the name of because of legal reasons)that has drawn thousands of people to view this site.

My wife has helped many people on this site as to what they need to do to find justice when called for. She and I have NEVER attacked anyone posting. She has disagreed with some and pointed out facts that needed to be known, but never attacked.

As to Jennifer who claims that we're idiots because we disagreed with someone's medical advise. First, as before, if you had read the full report, you would have seen that we disagreed with our son's doctors. We only went by what we were told and then had the guts to come back and post an update that stated we found that the doctor was wrong. Anyone else ever done that?

To the woman that also has an autistic child. We would very much like to correspond with you. Since emails, etc. are not allowed to be posted, please contact ED and let him know I gave permission for him to give you my email address in this post. Maybe if there were more informatin about Autism, we would have been 100%, at the time, that the doctor was wrong. But until that happens, there will be many more with this same problem.

You are of course correct Deb. April and Dale can post whatever they like here. As you say they have the right. However thats where your correctness ends. Last I checked we also have the right to rebuttle them.

So going by your statement that only a judge and jury can say if they are pathological liars beyond a reasonable doubt, we shall continue our rebuttles until a judge or jury makes that determination. So please take YOUR comments to the Tupper Lakes topics as we who disagree could, (as you would put it) care less about your input. So please stop your bashing.

Thank you and have a swell day!!!

april is a fake and a liar. She also falsely claims other people are fakes and liars as well, which explains why she does--probably because she is herself. Whether this situation happened or not, to claim that someone can develop autism from a burn, is ludicrous and completely false. And then call someone who gives correct medical information about it an employee from IHOP, only proves how uneducated and imbecilic these people are. No autism is not caused by burns, and if you think that is the problem here you need to go to the doctor, not give your own 3rd grade medical advice. What kind of parents are you anyway. You're definitely complete morons. This leads me to believe that you're probably not telling the complete story here. And again why do you liek to go around accusing people of writing false reports, you are pathetic, why don't you get a life you ignorant loser.

First off, I do not know April or Dale personally, however it is their right to speak up about any injustice or rip-off that they seem fit to right about. Their child was hurt by the waitress of this establishment. I could care less if they reported every business that they felt that they did not get treated fairly at in Waldorf, Maryland. Is that not what this board is all about? Warning consumers about bad businesses? Until they are proven to be pathological liars beyond a resonable doubt, and the last I looked only a judge or a jury could do that, please stop the bashing. There is enough of that going on with the Tupperville, New York reports.

Thank you

While its probably true that dale & etc were excessive..their attempt to talk about IHOP is hardly excessive.

The mgmt at IHOP has proven in at least this one case to be incompetent and even dangerous in attitude, and if I did come accross this at any business I would report it on Ripoff or even do what I could to get the person fired.

Oh, come to think of it, I have.

This manager should have been fired on the spot by his mgmt but unfortuantely IHOP is not a well run organization anyway.

I agree that all of us, may have a bad day, but in retail thats not kewl.

He should have been at least not so 'sh_tty' about everything, even if he had been in the right.

At a minimum, this proves that IHOP's mgmt is likely to be all that good at that store.

While its probably true that dale & etc were excessive..their attempt to talk about IHOP is hardly excessive.

The mgmt at IHOP has proven in at least this one case to be incompetent and even dangerous in attitude, and if I did come accross this at any business I would report it on Ripoff or even do what I could to get the person fired.

Oh, come to think of it, I have.

This manager should have been fired on the spot by his mgmt but unfortuantely IHOP is not a well run organization anyway.

I agree that all of us, may have a bad day, but in retail thats not kewl.

He should have been at least not so 'sh_tty' about everything, even if he had been in the right.

At a minimum, this proves that IHOP's mgmt is likely to be all that good at that store.

While its probably true that dale & etc were excessive..their attempt to talk about IHOP is hardly excessive.

The mgmt at IHOP has proven in at least this one case to be incompetent and even dangerous in attitude, and if I did come accross this at any business I would report it on Ripoff or even do what I could to get the person fired.

Oh, come to think of it, I have.

This manager should have been fired on the spot by his mgmt but unfortuantely IHOP is not a well run organization anyway.

I agree that all of us, may have a bad day, but in retail thats not kewl.

He should have been at least not so 'sh_tty' about everything, even if he had been in the right.

At a minimum, this proves that IHOP's mgmt is likely to be all that good at that store.

Stephenie...

We are not getting away from the incident.. we are pointing out a fact that Dale and April file complaints about everything. If you have a complaint about a company or service.. fine .. let the public know, but when you constantly post messages about every bad experience at every place you visit then you have a problem. I know that I am not going to get treated the way I want when I go to different retail establishments but I not going to file a Rip-off-Report because the cashier is having a bad day or the waitress is having a bad day.. If you search this site for "Waldorf, MD" you will find several reports by Dale and April. This to me is excessive COMPLAINING. I live in the same city and.. sure there are people that can be assholes, but I'm not going to run home and report it on this site so that other people know there are assholes at Circuit City or Hechts etc. We already know that...

Have a nice day...

I have read the report and all comments posted after it. I was really unhappy with all the negative comments to the parents of the child.

The accident was real to the parents of this baby in every aspect that it occurred.

April and Dale reported it for other parents to learn from this problem and not go thru it themselves.

Ripoff Report site to me is a place to tell You the reader what happened to us the victims and allow you to BEWARE of the possiblity of going through the same thing.

This is not an inccident in which we should judge each other. There is no reason to jump on the parents.

Opinions are like behinds... everyone has one. Use descretion when talking to people about what they go through. Don't put them down for their experience. Encouragement is probably what they needed during this time. Not smart remarks that demean someone.

That is all i wanted to add to the post.

My 4 year old son is autistic and I would love to correspond with you April and Dale if you would like to talk about it to just have someone to compare and learn from. [DELETED]

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Thanks for listening

Oh about excusing kids because they are kids.

No, if a kid failes to provide proper service to the customer, its the fault of training from mgmt.

As a former kid and a current manager, its very easy to excuse the kids.

If even a kid failes to provide service, its a indication of bad mgmt and training, and proabbly means that location will not have good food for the near future, and usually is bypassed in the future.

But then I never eat at McDonalds, because imo, their food is substandard and always has been.

I didnt even bother going there when I was married with kids (hers not mine) previously.

If I had to get a toy due to some promotion, often would buy the food, throw it out, and give her kid the toy. But then the toys were often a joke anyway. Fortunately didnt have to do that a lot.

Her kids actually liked BurgerKing better anyway.
Which was my preference too when not pizza.

LOL scrolling up thru the posts starting from where you two got EXPOSED I'm having difficulty finding out who WE is. As in your last post along with your others you continue to make a fool of yourself. Public beach, public restaurant and the difference? It's always about you and no one else matters. Yes Joseph hit the nail on the head. You go on and on about crap like the gravy caused your baby to get autism and you do the same with all of your ridiculous claims. (The Ford topic comes to mind).

I like many here bought into this story when you 1st posted. Everyone practically including myself was on your side, but then like in your other Reports you have made, you just kept it going piling up insane claims and complaints totally ruining your credibility. You are a fool sir and even more foolish continuing to defend your position. I have to admit I am also being foolish even responding to your hogwash. I have nothing further to say. You have been EXPOSED.

That can't ever change. All anyone has to do is research your posts here and the countless others you have made about your local businesses. My rebutting you any further is pointless. Why not concentrate on being a better parent than defending your so very apparent bullshit. Mike this fool is all yours! LMAO

To the severs responses here.

DOnt count on ever working at the restuarants I own.

It is the servers responsibility to proper placement of food on the customers table or eating area.

Besides, no matter how good or fast, a parent may not be able to move food out of the way of child, which makes it even more important that the server do the right thing to start with.
(Not that it absolves the customer responsibility but that the server should do the right thing to start with).


Putting hot food in front of a toddler in my places would be immediate grounds for firing.

While I agree that once placement is made, its the customers responsibility mainly.

The servers responsibility does not end at placement if the placement was not done correctly to start with.

And even afterward, it is still the 'obligation' of the server, to help the customer have a clean table, etc.


I would be very surprised if the servers at IHOP got any tips whether involved in the incident or not.

As a customer I would have elimianted the tip fo r my server due to mgmt actions.

And if in line, knowing what I read here, I would have left IHOP and gone elsewhere.

But then, why didnt anybody else (customer or otherwise) chip in and offer their cellphone or similar.

I myself as a customer at a 'steakhouse' offerer the use of my cellphone to get what we needed.
But in that case, the mgmt was forced to allow use of the main phone as most of the restaurant was gonna leave right then (almost had a riot in that case).

Mgmt in this case, did the right thing eventually,though initially forced.

Oh, he was still fired for his handling but the customers who had the problem didnt pursue anything other than the bills incurred by the incident.

At a minimum, this lady here, should be compestated for the legitmate part of the incident and should have any of her actions quantified and removed from compestation.
Once its proven that it was more server than her.

Though the mother of the burned child might have gone too far in some of her comments or actions, it was valid enough to say that the rebuttals to her are inane, or even insane.

Fact is, if my child is burned by no action, save the servers placement, that place will be sued bigtime and should be.

Plus the server should have been fired once discovery by the manager was identified, and of course any witnesses (if any, which I gathered wasnt thought about at the time).

A server even at 17 should know better.

Fact is, if I had been in her shoes, the manager might very well have been burned himself with hot coffee from another patron, and possibily eliminated from existance if he had treated me the same way.

His attitude would have at least resulted in a bloody nose, if not severe injury.

Fortunately when it happend to my kid, the place I was at, not only went overboard to take care of it, they even called 911 and took care of everything.
They ended up spending very very little on this issue (proabably spent less than IHOP did in fighting it).

Not only did they take care of things, we ended up with coupons and stuff for a years worth of eating there..

Manager did ask us if the server should be fired, but after we talked to the server, we found that demotion was severe enough.
Oh, the server was a mother, and was beligerant.
Found out later, she was fired anyway for non-server reasons anyway.

Fortunately, I am a big guy, and my looks are such that I dont look like a guy to mess with.
That might account for why they were so nice to me and my wife.

I presume that this manager saw this mother and figured her to be a 'dumb-blond', no disrespect to anybody here meant.

If this manager had worked for me when I was a district manager for a pizza chain, I would have fired him on the spot. I would have considered or at least reviewed firing the kid too.

Oh, yea, I forgot, I have done exactly that.
Of course, since I was this persons boss, I had to run the restaurant for a few days till the ownerteam brought in new mgmt (the assistant wasnt trained well enough to take over, was 22 and too new).

Oh, btw, some of the gripers on this, forget, that you can go after the insurance company too.

My own cousin had a similar deal happen and ended up suing both the restuarant and the insurance, and won.

His goal in this case was to shutdown the biz, he succeeed in bankrupting the restaurant, and got the insurance company fined bigtime (was in news a while back).

For those of you that said take the money and run, appaarantly arent principled people and think that this issue was the mothers fault.
While mom might have some erros in handling things, the fault is on the server, not her.

Now maybe a mistake by mother was made along the way, but it was started by the server.

As a manager, I would have:
No charge for meal.
Coupons for future meals.
Called 911 or assisted in transport.
Used restaurant funds to pay for it.

Quit the job, if higher ups had fought this.


Any company that would not do the first 4, is a biz that really oughta be put under.
Fortuantely, now that I wont freguent IHOP anymore (thanks to 'badbusinessbureau.com'), at least I can do my 2cents in not eating there.

But then I dont eat at McDonalds either.

Congratulations!

You have proven my point entirely, the only thing these people know how to do is to try to insult the posters. You want people to believe that you all are not the same person, maybe you should try writing something different, instead of the same song and dance. Boring. Once again, this is a post for consumers to inform other consumers on their experience or others, not for you to stir up your BS over and over.

As before, if you spent more time on helping consumers instead of ranting and raving on peoples spelling/grammar or childish name calling, maybe this world would be a better place. And again, you've been put in your place many times, you can dish it but you can't take it, so what's wrong with this picture?

David, you need to watch what you call my wife. She is none of those things you want to keep running your mouth about. She is a lovely, sweet person and anyone who knows her, will back that. I think we can all speculate on what people think of you.

You want to know what's wrong with Waldorf, many things as with anywhere you go. Employees are not trained properly. Employers and employees feel that being abusive towards a customer is acceptable. Just because the employee has had a bad day, you don't take it out on everyone else. These companies believe that a consumer has no rights. That's not the case, a real business can not thrive without the customer. If you continue to treat the customer bad by ways of abusive language, yelling, attitudes, negligence, etc. than how do you think the consumer will feel or even act. I can honestly say, when placed in a bad position, my wife and I have always tried to be polite and help the situation. For God's Sake, my wife never lost her temper during this ordeal with IHOP. She tried to get help for our son.

Apparently those rebuttling insane comments, don't have children of their own. At no point did we go after any money for our son. My wife asked for an apologue from the waitress and manager for their actions. This became very frustrating and agonizing as she had to look at his hand everyday. When their insurance man called her, she was very nice with him, even allowed him to come in our home. She again asked for an apologue. Do you know what she got, Give us his bills and we'll pay them, but IHOP will not apologize for what happened. Her problem with all this, how do you put a price tag on harm that was done to your child? You can't and if you say you can, you're lying.

For the guy about the beach incident, this is nothing like that. That was the parents fault they should not have received money for their negligence. It was a public beach, not a restaurant. There were not employees throwing food down in front of a child. This was an instance where, yes, the parents should have been watching the child better, as with ours, we can't watch our child, pass food down to get it away from our child and grow 5 more sets of hands.

just wanted to share a very similar story.
About 4 years ago a couple with a little 3 year old boy that lived next door to me decided to have a BBQ on a city park that happens to be next to the beach. So they used the grills that were already in place in the park. But after they were done cooking and eating they oviously had to clean up after themselves so they got rid of the trash but when it came to the ashes from the charcoal they looked but could not find a designated container or spot around them designated to dispose of the ashes. So they decided to dump it in the sand nearby. Not paying much attention to what their baby was doing , he walk right on top of where the ashes were and severly burned his little feet. So to make a long story short...They sued the city for not having designated disposal areas for the ashes. And they won....about $100,000 (INCREDIBLE)

So this couple made a mistake and permitted something to happen to their son, which they could have controlled if they would have paid more attention to what they were doing and what was going on. But stuff like that happens to all of us you cant blame them. Were only human and sometimes baby's get away from us....
But what sicken's me is that people could have something like this happen and then think that they could make some easy money for themselves. And this IHOP case sounds exactly the same to me to me.

1. First of all the waitress job is to serve you youre food and get youre check. not to be watching youre kid.

2. Youre in IHOP.The place where you can get all you can eat pancakes for $4.99. Not exactly a place where I would go and expect 5 star service.(you get what you pay for).

3. When I go through the drivethru in macdonalds I don't get pistoff if they mess up my order. Why????? because its cheap food and usually the people that work at mcdonalds are inexperienced teenagers who get paid minimum wage. So what can you expect???? And IHOP is not very different from macdonalds. Once again , you get what you pay for.

I am very sorry for what happen to youre child and Im glad that IHOP payed you a settlement for medical bills but that is all you deserve. Anything more than that would be taking advantage of the situation.

If you believe April is at fault answer this question:

(regardless of who is with the baby or whose baby it is) Would YOU sit something VERY HOT in reaching distance of ANY 15 month-old baby? Would YOU take that kind of CHANCE?
COMMON SENSE here people. IHOP is totally at fault, and I personally think April's attorney is incompetent, unless she has a new one since the last part of the story that I read. (I scan, I don't have the patience to read everyword of every post)

Dale..

I have researched this website and for Waldorf, MD, you and your uneducated wife are the only ones bitching about EVERYTHING. Have you ever thought that the reason why you get treated like crap from all these retail establishments is due to the fact that you guys probably act like assholes? Maybe if you treat people with respect you wouldn't get treated like that or maybe if you speak a little bit more eloquently you would get more respect. As far as grammar and spell check...the point is if you guys are so educated you would pay attention to the way you speak your words when you file a rebuttal.

By the way... Have a GREAT day...

Boosting? Well anyways it would of course take more than your Neanderthal intelligence to piss me off Chip/Dale whatever your name is. Sorry to dash your hopes as you said and Mike doesn't piss every one off, just you and your sister/wife April. Yes I agree we should all stop arguing Dale as most of us by now have seen Miss pig's and your other hoaxes you have graced this server with. Kudos to Mike for showing what a trickster you are. I didn't know you were such a racist until it was pointed out. I'm if sure you nephew/son has any problems they are genetically caused and not from some fabrication as we have all seen here. What a terrible thing to use a small child in an insurance fraud scheme. You should be ashamed of yourself sir. Have a nice day Dale. Happy Happy Joy Joy.

I don't see anywhere in my rebuttal where I boasted about anything. You insulted a friend of mine, put out false information about him, and just generally have a bad attitude on any report I have seen you type on. I posted what David really said and gave you some helpful words of advice.

I enjoyed your attempt at a flame .. it failed miserably. I was happy to see that you finally realized that David and Mike are separate people though. You're improving.

As far as Mike liking good grammar and spelling, I got A's in English myself and always appreciate a nicely written and correctly spelled piece of literature.

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His motivations for posting all these bogus reports lie in the fact that he loves the attention he gets from all the conflict he stirs up. If everyone just ignores him, eventually he will go away, hopefully finding a new hobby or some other way to pass his time. Although I do admit, reading his reports always makes for a good laugh. He really has no clue how ridiculous a person he is!

His motivations for posting all these bogus reports lie in the fact that he loves the attention he gets from all the conflict he stirs up. If everyone just ignores him, eventually he will go away, hopefully finding a new hobby or some other way to pass his time. Although I do admit, reading his reports always makes for a good laugh. He really has no clue how ridiculous a person he is!

His motivations for posting all these bogus reports lie in the fact that he loves the attention he gets from all the conflict he stirs up. If everyone just ignores him, eventually he will go away, hopefully finding a new hobby or some other way to pass his time. Although I do admit, reading his reports always makes for a good laugh. He really has no clue how ridiculous a person he is!

His motivations for posting all these bogus reports lie in the fact that he loves the attention he gets from all the conflict he stirs up. If everyone just ignores him, eventually he will go away, hopefully finding a new hobby or some other way to pass his time. Although I do admit, reading his reports always makes for a good laugh. He really has no clue how ridiculous a person he is!

Maybe finding a job or something is better that the three of you boosting about something you know nothing about. 1) Yousee hope pissed off David got, 2) We now know Nancy & David are together, whatever why that is and 3) Mike likes to piss EVERYONE off.

So get a job or a hobby or something, I have much better things to do then to continue arguing for something you have NO idea what happened. Mikes main concern with everyone he posts a rebuttal to, spelling and grammar, wow, that makes you such a big man, you know how to use your spell check button or maybe cut and paste. Let's all stop for this as Mike seems to have much more time than everyone els ein the world.

Finally, Mike, it would be in your best interest to watch you the hell you're calling a racist!

OMG I didnt know that fat sow was your wife. Now it all crystal clear. Ok on to your post. I kind of feel cheated here as I was prepared to use some of my best material with you but after reading your post it appears you did all my work. You are truly a dumb a*s Dale. I have thanks to Mike been researching your other posts. WoW. This Mike really hit the nail on the head. I would encourage anyone who has bought into Dale and his sows bullshit to go read the rest of thier reports. These people (i use the term lightly) are truly crackpots. I like Dale however because he makes me feel like a Puppet Master as I easlily manipulate him into exposing himself. Mike seems to enjoy making a fool of you also and I applaud him for exposing you and pig bitche's scheme. You have a really swell day Dumbass LMAO

Here is the core question you refuse to answer: What are your motivations for placing bogus reports on this site, and who are the intended beneficiaries? YOU'RE THROUGH, DALE! FINISHED! CAPICHE?

You're a real piece of work, David from whatever. My wife's psycho? why because she has called your bluff on other reports making your intelligence look, well the lack of it? Lovely how you use the wrod retard. Nice launguage skills. By the way Autism is a form of retardation, so I can assure you, that just pissed A LOT of people off. And by making that statement, you have just proved you and this Mike are one in the same, thank you! As we can all see, you like to start something you just can't seem to finish. As you were busted and now take great anger when someone calls your bluff. HA HA HA HA

Well Dale I guess you are wrong again... See I am only one person on this board. You, however, are a scammer.. Ya know.. Safeway will be opening up behind Best Buy soon.. Maybe you can go shop there and tell us your experience. Because you know everyone in Waldorf is racist except you. I'm surprised I haven't heard about the new Giant...

Remember, spell and grammar check.

Thanks

Dale said to David:

"On 2/3/04 didn't express that you thought we were jus [sic] exploiting IHOP for money???"

So I went and read the post David did on 2/3/04. He said:

"...I dont think these folks are trying to get rich from IHOP. I think they are pissed off thier baby got burnt. Both sides have points, some good some bad and some ridiculous. I dont think anyone here is against you and for IHOP. I would really like to see this manager come here and post his rebuttal. I for one am emailing IHOP and asking them why they are not defending themselves. Im just sorry this little one got burnt as everyone here is im sure."

David - BULLHEAD CITY, Arizona
U.S.A.

So tell me Dale, where did David say you were exploiting IHOP for money? I don't see anything remotely similar to that in his rebuttal.

Next, David is David. He uses his own name here and doesn't hide from anyone. I can assure you he isn't Mike, especially since David and I spent a couple days together last month and we discussed this report, plus other reports we both have gotten involved with or were interested in.

Last, first rule in the world of flaming someone .. know your opponent and don't open keyboard and insert toes instead of fingers and make yourself look like a fool.

LOL yes Im glad you mentioned my post of 2/3/2004 where it clearly states i DID NOT think you were exploiting IHOP. Then the reports from the Mikes came pouring in exposing you for the scammer you and your physco wife are. You are your own worst enemy. If you do have a baby I wonder what it will think of its obviously retard parents when its old enough to read your insane rantings. I for one wish the waitress had spilled all that hot food on your hands preventing you from ever typing again. Again thanks to the Mikes for letting us know that this is and always was a haox. Now if you will excuse me I have to go to IHOP for breakfast.

I used to work at ihop not the one you are refering to. But all together I have worked for ihop for 5 years. I was about 17 when I started my opioin on this matter is. The manager and the waitress should have been fired. The manager for not making sure the waitress was trained right and the waitress for not haveing any kind of common sense.

I have 3 kids and when I worked for I hop i had one and I knew that you dont put food in front of a baby they dont know any better than to play with it. Also they are suppost to bring out the food with in a certain time limit because if your food is sitting in the window waiting to be pulled it WILL be extremely hot. Also they gravy for bisquits and gravy. The gravy is in individual bags and when ordered it is put in the microwave.

So your food was probably sitting in the window for a few minutes, so that is where i blame the waitress and also the manager he should be watching those things for better customer service. He should have comped your meal instead of making you pay for it. But the ihop i worked at was privately owned so i am not sure if they do the same things as other farncises. But i hope this incedint hasnt emotionally scarred your son, and keep doing what your doing they should pay in my opioin. (sorry your story upset me and i cant spell right now lol)

I figured pointing out your lies would be fun. On 2/3/04 didn't express that you thought we were jus exploiting IHOP for money??? And didn't you just say, I believed them until Mike came along??? Funny thing is, after looking through other rip off reports, I sure do see you and Mike together a lot, strange isn't it, or aren't you Mike? I think we all know the answer to that one. So you can take your opinions and stuff them, I could care less.

Thanks guys for exposing them for what they really are. I was buying into thier BS untill you gave everyone the heads up. I wonder if they even have a baby?

First of all I want to start off by saying. I am a waitress and a mother. I have been waiting tables for several years. I think this case is the waitresses fault. For the other servers that thought other wise, I can't believe they would hold blame on the parents. I have never in all the years, have ever set a hot plate of food or beverage in front of a young child. Even if I am slammed with tables that need me. I always wait and hand the food to the adults or in front of the adults. I always warn people when the food and the plates are hot. I have had even older kids reach out to try and help me by taking the plate. But I refuse to give it to them if it is hot. If she had set it in front of the adult and the child some how got a hold of it that would be different.

The mom also stated that and IHOP representative had told her she needed to be understanding because the server was only 17 and didn't have any kids. That to me is the same as admitting guilt, because if she was older and had her own kids she would of known better and this incident would not have happened. I just wanted to say my piece because parents don't have 8 arms and hands and being in a hurry is no excuse to be stupid and put a hot plate like that in front of a child. By the way it sounded like they were sitted at a table and (not a booth) and she could have not been lazy and walked the food around to set the plates out in front of the right guest. Places like that usually have a tray jack. Those are used to set heavy food on so you can hand the food out safely.

Another thing is food can get scolding hot like this. I and many other servers have been burned before. A lot of times cooks wont time the food right and they will make items like Bisc and gravy first leaving it to sit under the heat lamp for a long time. Those lamps make the food and plates scolding hot. I ought to know...If it had been me and my husband that server would have left in tears because I know my husband would have chewed her but up and down. When it comes to our own kids you cant ask people to be calm about someones neglegence causing them pain.

Mary,

Thank you for standing up and telling your side of this horrible story if you are telling the truth. I have read these reports and cannot believe how horrible people can be to others. You give a lot of detail that most people will not be able to deny, so from just reading it I believe it to be truthful.

As to the autism.....I do not think the bad burn can cause autism, I have read many a report about that disease as my sister is a teacher within a very large county system for the disabled. She has taught autistic children for many years and not one has been diagnosed due to a situation like this, they all were "born" with it. It showed up at different stages but the child was already born with the disease if you wish to call it a disease, it just appeared at a different time in each child, usually early on at 3 months or so.

But still, there is still no reason why the personel at IHOP treated this family in the way that they did. I think the proper behavior would have been is that the manager should have dialed 911 immediately and seen to it that the child got immediate medical care right there and then. Just my opinion.

I think that these people need to hear what someone else saw. I was there when all this happened. I work down the street from this IHOP. I come there once a week for the last 7 years, so I know most of the staff there. I have kept quiet as Kevin, the manager then and now, knows who I am, and this may start some negative responses when I come in.

However, you all have a lot of this situation wrong. I don't know if the readers here don't understand what really took place, as the parents seem to be getting more and more upset as people make the kind of responses that they have. Now, I don't blame them for getting upset, this is a little kid we're all talking about. So, I will tell you everything I remember about that night and you all can make what you want of it.

My friend and I were sitting at a both on the right side of the restaurant, so I was able to see everything that took place. There were 3 or 4 others tables being used at this time, they weren't busy at all. These people were unforgettable as so many things kept you interested in them. There was 4 adults, 3 children (2 little boys and a little girl) and this baby.

I remember them walking in because the mother seemed to be in a lot of pain. The father had to help her to the seat and with her jacket. She had horrible looking bruises along her arms. The hostess sat them all in 3 tables, side by side, but not together. I remember the other lady asking if they could move the tables together and the hostess replied that the tables did not move, she was sorry for the inconvenience as they had no seating for more than 6 people. The baby was in a high chair and the only place he could sit was at the end, the other end was attached to the waitress's station.

I saw the mother and father sitting one on each side of the baby and each child sat by an adult. Both the men seemed very concerned with the mother's well-being and kept asking if she was OK and if she needed anything. I remember one time she replied, I'm fine, I'll heal and my family is all here. Like I said, you could not forget this family.

The waitress came over and asked for drink orders, then came back and asked for their food orders. These kids were well behaved, the children ordered with a please and a thank you. They all seemed so happy, something most of us don't seem to have ourselves anymore. A little later, the waitress came out with a tray full of food. Instead of her sitting the tray down at one of the tables behind them , she started handing plates to the mother and father to hand down. As they were handing the plates down, she did place a bowl of gravy right in front of this baby. And kept placing plates in front of him.

The parents continuously kept picking these plates up. Then this horrible accident happened. The baby starts screaming, he was rubbing his little hands together. The father picked up napkins trying to get it off. Then the mother grabs one and starts wiping the other hand. The napkins were just sticking to this little ones hands. The waitress walks away, like nothing was going on.

I'm sure these people thought that maybe she was going for help or something. The mother runs a pile of napkins to the bathroom and comes back with them dripping with water. She looked to be in so much pain herself. She wipes the baby's hands and starts crying. I looked over again and the baby's hands were so red and bumps started emerging. The father was trying to calm to mother down and the baby was still screaming.

The other man stood up looking for someone that worked there. Like I said, they were not busy, but all of a sudden there no one. Finally, the waitress comes back and asks how everything was. I thought the father was going to hit her. The mother tells her that she was stupid enough to place food in front of a baby and in less she was deaf she had to know he was hurt. The other man told her to they were leaving. She told them that she had to get her manager. They waited and waited, the mother was getting more and more upset. Another waitress comes over and tells them that the manager was coming, the mother told her to tell him to hurry up, she wanted to get her son to a doctor.

Kevin finally comes out and tells them that they had to wait for their bill before they could leave. The other man told Kevin he must be kidding. Kevin gets loud and tells them that they ordered food and needed to pay for it. The other man told him that none of the children were even served and no one else was going to eat, so they were leaving. Kevin tells them that if they move he would call the police and have them arrested.

The man called him an A??hole. The mother was still crying and tells Kevin, she couldn't understand anything he was saying. Kevin is African and has a very strong accent. He tells her to sit there and he'll be back in a minute. At least 15 minutes passed and he comes back and gives the mother the bill, no kidding.

She gets everyone up and they go over to the counter. My friend and I were just sitting there in amazement to all this. Kevin was at the counter talking to a woman who walked in. The mother asked him if he minded they just pay the bill and leave. He told her to shut up that he'd get to her in a minute. The other woman told him they were leaving. Another man walks up behind them and Kevin takes his bill and tell shim that he was so sorry for the disturbance during his dinner and tells him to go ahead without paying. The mother asked if there was a district manager there, he was I think his name is Dave, and he was standing right around the corner listening to everything. Kevin tells her that the district manager already left. She then asks to please let her pay her bill so she could get the baby to a doctor.

Kevin tells her to give him their F???ing bill. The other woman said, Excuse me? He snatches the bill from the mother's hand. Then starts talking to the woman again. The other woman grabs the mother and said, Let him call the cops. and drags her out the door. Kevin says, Get back here B???h! The other woman gave him the finger as they were leaving and tells the mother, she did not have to put up with anyone like that.

Then the other manager walks back around the corner and stands by the window writing their tag numbers down. He calls the police from the front desk, by this time my friend and I were standing up at the counter just shacking our heads. Dave tells the police that a family just left without paying and was causing a loss in their profit from starting a big scene.

He told them that their little brat could not keep his hands away from the food long enough for their waitress to move the food from his reach and the parents got hostile. I looked at both of them when he finally hung up and told them that they were real jerks. I paid my bill and left.

Now I want everyone to know that Kevin is still the manager at this IHOP. I'm sure what took place after they left will upset them even more, and I am truly sorry. But if these parents are reading this, I want you to know that this was not your fault and don't ever blame yourself.

The waitress could have done many things differently, easy things, like walking from table to table with the food. But she didn't and this accident happened. I hope your baby is doing much better. I think he is was so young he'll never remember any of it. As for your other children, you are doing something right.

I am a 56 year old grandmother and wish my grandchildren were so well behaved and polite. Ignore these people, they don't know what you had to go through. Anyone else would have handle things with much more aggression, you stayed calmed and that was good for your children. God bless you and your family.

I wanted to approach someone else's comments about the parents saying the child is Autistic because of this accident. I must have read something different, as I remember them stating what their child's doctor stated. I also read that they did not believe or feel this was the case.

I know for a fact that doctor's will tell parents anything for an extra buck, maybe this doctor thought they could get something from IHOP too. It seems that they are handling their child's need without this doctor's comments. Hopefully they got a new one. I deal with many special needs children as part of my job. You would not believe some of the things parents are told that has cause one problem or another with their child. I've heard it all.

If you have insurance, try to stay within the Children's Hospital doctor's circle. They are great with children like yours. So many children are improving yearly with different special needs. We also have a center that can help you in LaPlata called the Gwynn Center, if you haven't contacted them, please do. They help children up to age 3, they can help with getting him into a school to improve and give you references to support groups and resources.

These people are great. Again, God bless you and I hope everything works out. I dope everyone can understand their situation a little better.

Ok hear me out, I worked food service as a waitress when i was very young, 16 years old. One night a family came in and ordered food. Well, the party was kind of big and in a large corner booth, I brought the drinks and because of the placement of the table and the number of people I placed one drink in front of one of their babies. The baby leaned over and because the drink so far away his little hands could only grap the tip of the cup. Well it spilled over wasting water all over him. The lady totally got mad at me and demanded free food.

Moral of the long story is, I was just a kid, not old enough to truly understand how to accomodate children. It was a mistake and at the time I honestly thought i did my best in placing it away from the child.

In the case of this mother, the food was hot, and yes its easy to blame the waitress, but im not sure this isnt any different from the whole hot coffee at mcdonalds thing, if anything no food should be so hot that ANYONE gets scaulded by it.

Good luck guys!!

Wow, you want to make a statement... but you don't know where you live, and you want to talk about vadility? Strange! You appearently read what you wanted and only that, as I said, the doctor stated this not us, and it was not believed by either of us.

Secondly, you CAN NOT watch your child when someone si deliberately handing plates to you. Next thing you know, you'll wonder why aprents don't grow more arms. This IS NOT our fault is is the waitress and IHOP, maybe you need to find a new job. Just stay away from children.

As a waitress, I of course understand that it is always best to place food away from young children. However, sometimes this is not possible, such as if there are many plates on the table at once. I would of course prefer to place the food farther away, but there is absolutely no reason for this waitress to be blamed.

I understand that this is a horrible situation, & I feel bad that this had to happen to your son, but I am so sick of parents that try to place blame on others for their childrens' actions! I know that your son is young, but as the mother, you know that your child is young & tends to reach for things, so it is your responsibility to watch him!

It is not the waitress' responsibility to babysit your son! She is there to bring you food, you are there to watch your children! Parents today don't seem to understand the responsibility that comes with parenthood, especially in restaurants! I am constantly dealing with children running all over the restaurant, screaming, spilling things, throwing things, etc.

I should not have to deal with this as the waitress, this should be up to the parents. I understand that the waitress could have helped the situation, but she is not to blame.
Also, even though I was feeling sorry for you and understanding your situation, when you said that your son developed autism because of this experience, your story lost all of its validity.

Even though the actual cause of autism is not known, it IS known that trauma CANNOT cause it! The burns could have been traumatic, but HE DID NOT DEVELOP AUTISM BECAUSE OF IT. Please research autism for the sake of your son, & please stop blaming IHOP, or any other restaurant for this problem.

This is the response I thought I would get from you, Mike. You can dish it, but you certainly can't take it can you. I'm not related and don't appreciate the assumption of such. I made a rebuttal after reading your comments of hate over and over. These poeple certainly have you pegged and it seems to ruffle your tail-feathers. Why don't you share with all of us your posts, though so!

Oh.. Now I'm a blue meanie. Look people, it was not nice that a kid was burned; what is even worse is that people want to drag out a closed case for two years!!

Susan, there are plenty of other reports that you could flap your yap about, why do you continue to beat this thing in the ground!!??!!

Were you abused as a child by a server at Perkins? Did your ex-husband work at IHOP? Did you catch him with the gravy girl?

My point is:

This is a cold case.

The child had treatment.

IHOP should flip the bill.

Stop eating pancakes. They make you fat, and clog your arteries. You will have many years added to your life, so you can drag out more reports way past their prime. It's a win win(for Susan; the rest of us should sue Susan for the meds we will need to cope with her whining:-->just kidding).

Fire the 17 year old server(I'm sure she works at Walmart now).

Thats it. Drop it.

Suing IHOP for 3 million dollars raises our insurance costs. We all pay that off. Have them pay for what is wrong, and any further complications, and thats it. CASE CLOSED!!!

Two years later, you people are still yapping, like the TUPPER LAKE CROWD.

If you have no clue what I'm talking about;

TYPE TUPPER LAKE in the RIP-OFF REPORT SEARCH ENGINE on this site.

Talk about redundant.

Amy, you must be related to Dale and April..

Pete, why do you have to be so hateful, really the rebuttles that I and some of the other people have offered are just comments, because there were certain things that just didn't ring true. To say that we don't have a life and too much time , ect is really rude. I assure you that I work very hard, have plenty of friends, and when I responded it was just to make a statement about burns, since I have alot of expertise in this area, and as The other gentleman who responded about autisim, it after all is a free country, where we can so somethinglike this and it should'nt upset you so, underneath it all you sound mean and unhappy, I haven't called anyone an idiot or any reference such as that, the only two who are bantering back and forth is mike and Dale and they can do that if they want so why don't you just zip it and if someone wants to talk on this form, let them, not that big of a deal.

I'm sorry that I get bored. Checking out this report made me laugh. You go on and on about everything, and nothing.

Some of you sound like my mentally ill mother _repeat-repeat-negative comments-negative etc!!! I'd like to be able to send her, and some of you-to the loonie bin where you belong!


Look, the kid is in high school by now; can we drop it??

Quit beating the dead horse, and bury it. In three more years she can buy some cloned hands for him, and charge IHOP.

I'm sorry the kid was hurt. I doubt he remembers it. He might have to see a therapist about his fear of gravy; then again it's high in cholesterol-it could be a good thing that he dislikes it.

For everyone with no life, why don't you adopt a highway-or something.

Better yet, help Ed out with this site. The guy is swamped.

One last thing; I pray some day they chare $1 to post a report here. It will keep some of these idiots off of this site. Most of you will all sorts of time - obviously don't work; the dollar fee should keep you away from the public computer.

While posting a report about another company, I began to browse through other reports. This report happened to catch my attention because of the reference you made about this injury causing autism. I taught special education students for 10 years, received a PhD in Neuroscience from Brown University, and now spend my entire time researching causes and cures for autism. Not to mention that my younger brother is also autistic. I have no comment about the accident.

I am sorry for all of the difficulties you have encountered. I do however feel the need to say a few things about autism itself. First of all, research shows that males are more likely to become autistic. There is no specific cause, but brain dysfunction, chemical deficiencies in the body,and certain genetic disorders have all been linked to autism. There was also evidence that a virus can cause autism usually during the first trimester of the pregnancy. Never has a burn been shown to cause autism. That is a ludicrous statement for a doctor to make. Many toddlers are burned, injured, or hurt in a variety of ways.

The outcome however is never autism. Autism does not stem from a physical injury. I would suggest you find a new pediatrician fast. As for the rest of your case, I hope you find whatever you are seeking. Please don't feel sorry for yourself or your family because you have an autistic family member. Embrace him and give him lots of love. They are some of the most interesting and unique people in the world.

It's amazing that this discussion has been going on for the better part of two years.

Many of the coldhearted comments remind me of this line from "Airplane":

"Shanna, they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em crash." --- Jack Kilpatrick

The manager and staff of IHOP should have taken personal responsibility for their actions. No sane person puts hot gravy in front of a toddler. That's all. All the whining in the world on behalf of IHOP won't change that simple fact.

Too many people have a warped idea of what 'personal responsibility' actually means. Business staff have a 'personal responsibility' to protect their patrons and to behave in a safe manner. No amount of whining will excuse them from this responsibility.

The server placed hot gravy in front of a child. This is not the fault of the parent, despite some of the twisted logic to the contrary.

That aside, however, all of this may have been avoided had the manager and server expressed an apology, assisted with first aid, and generally acted like they gave a darn.

Insurance rates are high because businesses have become used to acting like they have no responsibility to create a safe environment for their customers.

Blaming those who are hurt and injured for being hurt and injured in the first place has created a culture of victimhood among American business. Too many businesses take minimum steps towards consumer safety, then whine to the high heavens that they are not responsible for their customers injuries.

The injured customers sue, damages are awarded because they are deserved, and insurance rates go up. The businesses whine to the media through their press flacks, and too many bleeding-heart members of the public take the side of the poor victimized business. It's really pathetic.

No one on a plane deserves to crash simply because they bought a ticket, and this couple's child did not deserve to be burned for doing what children do.

The server was an adult and should have known better than to put hot gravy in front of a baby, while the manager should have practiced much better customer relations.

That's really all there is to it.

Amazing, Mike, once again you have proven my point. You don't answer questions when asked, instead you will do everything possible to turn things around on my report. Whatever. I do have much better things to do with my life then sit here and BS with you all day, seeing that's all you seem to know how to do!

OK, I don't alway agree with the people here making reports, however they make reports not because they got screwed over, but to inform the consumers of what goes on in the real world. I have read the reports from these people. Many are quite old as this one is. And two or three people continue to stir up troble with them over and over again. Like this Mike person.

Everytime I noticed his rebuttals to their reports are specifing spelling and grammer. Don't you have better things to do then to rip on someone because they make mistakes. This is not a post to do that. This is not a paid newspaper, mistakes in spelling don't really matter as long as a point was made.

You seem more gun-h*o on pissing people off then anything else. And I read your most recent rebuttal, you're not the same Mike as above, I find that hard to believe. I think these people have you pegged and that just puts your panties in a bunch.

As for the companies you've refered to of their past reports. First let me make it clear that I too lived in MD, White Plains to be exact. Civista was known as LaPLata Hospital then PMH. And this hospital was crap then, I doubt very seriously that anything has changed. Don't remember much about Hechts. Circuit City IS discriminatory, however my uncle tells me they reconstructed their store and the employees seem more helpfull now.

I can't say, I don't and didn't shop there. BJ's, well they're a warehouse, enough said. As for the Ford company; I have a Focus, a 2002 SE, fully loaded. I don't know how the dealership there works, but the one here royally screwed myself. Everything they complained about, I have dealt with the same problems, the overwhelming amount of recalls, and the list goes on. That is one thing you just don't want to go there with me.

I know my rebuttal will piss you off, but hell that's what I'm trying to do. I know you'll pick at everything you possibly can, I don't know if you get a thrill out of attacking people or what, but to everyone else, that is what we see. I hope these people don't back down from you.

They've made very strong arguements and in most, have supported that. Anyone that has lived in or around Waldorf, knows these things to be true. Maybe you should get into the work force and start doing something other then intimidating posters on this site. Then maybe you'll find a better hobby. You seem like you have way too much time on your hands.

Dale, I hate to disappoint you but the previous rebuttal was from someone different. You see I do live in Waldorf, MD. You know the city... the place where Waldorf Ford is located (your Ford Focus problem), IHOP (right down the street from Waldorf Ford), how about Hechts (St. Charles Towne Center), which is right across the street from BJ's. Maybe Circuit City (across the street from Best Buy)... by the way did you file a ripoffreport for Best Buy yet? We cannot forget Civista, which is not in Waldorf..that is south in La Plata, which is the County seat... These places ring a bell? They sure do... By the way which company in Waldorf or La Plata haven't you complained about yet? One last thing..I must commend you on a well thought, well said rebuttal. Did you use the spell check and grammar check in Microsoft Word then copy and paste? Have a great day!

Funny. Again, are you from Washington, Maryland, Virgina, forgot where else you claim to be from? Can't make up your mind which is your first name or your last? God you're sorry. I simply can't wait to laugh at your posts! Oh, but according to you, you never a "Victim." We'll see.

Just a heads-up: it has been established time and time again that April/Dale's posts are bogus ones planted to discredit the Rip-Off Report. Attempts to keep their tomfoolery to a minimum have been unsuccessful. After we drive them away they pop back up after a few months with more foolishness.

They have slandered IHOP, Ford, and countless well-meaning souls who rely on this page. Please ignore them.

Dale..

Thanks for your insightful rebuttal. I am now much more educated that I was before.

Mike

Dale..

Thanks for your insightful rebuttal. I am now much more educated that I was before.

Mike

You need to take you PDS or Ford, gard to tell with you, butt somewhere else. You want to keep starting things, because we made you look incompetent and egotistical. Keep it up. You've been shot down and made to look like an idiot numerous times, you want to look like one again, fine! By the way, when do YOU move to SO.MD? And for someone who THINKS they're so educated, SO MD is NOT a city, duh.

As for my wife getting 3rd degree burns from a TV dinner, she did. Anything hot can produce 1st, 2nd or 3rd degree burns depending on the amount of time the heat touches your skin and the temperature of the item. Why don't you ask your own Dr, since you think you're smarter than everyone else on this site.My wife was in the hospital for days, she needed skin graphs, medication for over a months, and special medication to place on the burns. She has nasty scars left as a result. So by all means keep your BS up.

I must come to the defense... not of the people who started this IHOP thing, but to the people of Waldorf, MD. There are educated people in Waldorf, MD that do not take advantage of everything that they can. Because of people like Dale/April our insurance rates rise.

Because of these people your customer service at your local retail store sucks. Take a look around this website. These people have complained about everything from hospital care to retail service to automobile problems and then they have the nerve to respond to other people's rebuttals with improper grammar and spelling.

To everyone else who reads this.. don't bother wasting your time. These people think they know everything (3rd degree burn from a TV Dinner..my wife is a nurse and she was rolling on the floor with that one) and no matter what you say they will come back with rebuttal that doesn't make sense. Next thing you know they'll be Doctors. Enough said!

I know this is all said and done with, but when you keep making the same mistake by referring to youur childs burn as a third degree, and there was no hospital, then you are sooo wrong, as the person who rebutted you after I did, they are also right.

A third degree burn is a deep burn, one that has to be skin grafted, through surgery, also a third degree burn is not associated with great pain because the burn is so deep that it has damaged the nerve endings, so a person with thrid degree burns don't experience pain from that burn but might experience pain from the site where the skin was taken to be grafted onto the third degree burn site.

I was a burn tech in a pediatric burn unit, I know about burns, you said you were an emt, good lord I would be afraid, very afraid. And any dr. that told you a child would just put their hand into their mouth, therefore removing the medication, is nuts,

Those burns have to be whirlpooled, debrieded, an antimycrobial applied , the burns dressed and then a splint is placed on the arm at the elbow to keep the childs hand out of the mouth, any serious burn, especially a hand is dressed and splinted, because hand burns are difficult to treat because the scarring can cause contractures and all kinds of difficulties, so you just sound like you don't know what you are talking about, as I am positive that a t.v. dinner did not give you a third degree burn, and I am sure you will not comprehend what I have just told you and will again state that is was a 3rd degree burn.

I'm sorry but I had to comment again. If you're "well-educated," why is it that you misspell simple words such as refuse?

But that is not the reason for my reply. I want to say that 3rd degree burns are the deepest tissue burns, usually caused by fire, chemicals, etc. A medical website I checked with claims all 3rd degree burns require immediate emergency treatment.

I feel sorry for you if you acquired this type of burn from a T.V. dinner. You must have one strong microwave!

Again, this has been done and over with for sometime. You don't live where I do, you can not run to an ER, they will turn you away unless you're dying. Our local ER does not see anyone for burns. I already know this to be a fact as I had 3rd degree burns from a TV dinner and was told to go see my doctor the next day. That my doctor could tell me where to go next.

I called his doctor, again, he was burned, he is scared and we have all gotten over it. And no, the doctor refussed anything but an ointment as she claims, "He will only pull at anything we put on it and might put it in his mouth."

However, I have worked with EMS many years ago and again, I am well educated, I can assure you, I know exactly what to do and how to care for him during this incident. My problem is and was the piss poor attitude of the restaurant.

Again, this has been done and over with for sometime. You don't live where I do, you can not run to an ER, they will turn you away unless you're dying. Our local ER does not see anyone for burns. I already know this to be a fact as I had 3rd degree burns from a TV dinner and was told to go see my doctor the next day. That my doctor could tell me where to go next.

I called his doctor, again, he was burned, he is scared and we have all gotten over it. And no, the doctor refussed anything but an ointment as she claims, "He will only pull at anything we put on it and might put it in his mouth."

However, I have worked with EMS many years ago and again, I am well educated, I can assure you, I know exactly what to do and how to care for him during this incident. My problem is and was the piss poor attitude of the restaurant.

Again, this has been done and over with for sometime. You don't live where I do, you can not run to an ER, they will turn you away unless you're dying. Our local ER does not see anyone for burns. I already know this to be a fact as I had 3rd degree burns from a TV dinner and was told to go see my doctor the next day. That my doctor could tell me where to go next.

I called his doctor, again, he was burned, he is scared and we have all gotten over it. And no, the doctor refussed anything but an ointment as she claims, "He will only pull at anything we put on it and might put it in his mouth."

However, I have worked with EMS many years ago and again, I am well educated, I can assure you, I know exactly what to do and how to care for him during this incident. My problem is and was the piss poor attitude of the restaurant.

Again, this has been done and over with for sometime. You don't live where I do, you can not run to an ER, they will turn you away unless you're dying. Our local ER does not see anyone for burns. I already know this to be a fact as I had 3rd degree burns from a TV dinner and was told to go see my doctor the next day. That my doctor could tell me where to go next.

I called his doctor, again, he was burned, he is scared and we have all gotten over it. And no, the doctor refussed anything but an ointment as she claims, "He will only pull at anything we put on it and might put it in his mouth."

However, I have worked with EMS many years ago and again, I am well educated, I can assure you, I know exactly what to do and how to care for him during this incident. My problem is and was the piss poor attitude of the restaurant.

I got caught up in all the responses to the original complaint made by this mother after her child recieved a burn at ihop. I am a server, and I have to say that I personally would never have put a plate of food down in front of a 15 month old child, of course I am 58, not 17 and have raised 4 children of my own, also I did not notice anyone questioning the degree of the burn recieved.

In my younger days, I worked as a burn tech at a local childrens hospital burn unit. I have alot of experience with burns, also one if my sons was burned at about the same age as this child and he had to spend a month in the burn unit, with only a second degree burn. A third degree burn goes much deeper , and in most cases has to be skin grafted.

This mother states because of his age he only saw the family doctor who only perscribed some salve, no way, if this child had any burn more than a first degree burn, the child would have been treated differntly, burns to hands are also difficult alot of times needing a physical therpist, bracing.

I really find that the mother talks like she doesn't know what she is talking about and that instead of taking this child to an e.r. imeadiately, she waited till the next day, and I even question that the regular dr. only gave a salve for treatment.

If she was offered 750.00 she should take it. you can only sue for damages, out of pocket expenses and pain and suffering. She only mentioned 70.00 that I saw. If she does have a lawyer, I would think the lawyer would have asked for pain and suffering, and these cases take a long time to resolve.

As to who is responsible, as I said I never would have placed a plate of food in front of a child that age, but if a server had placed one in front of my child I would have grabbed it quick, because kids go for what is put in front of them.

When my son was burned, he came up between me and the kitchen counter and pulled on the cord to the electric skillet and pulled a cooking pot roast off on his bare chest, a second degree burn, requiring a month of hospitalazation, her saying her son suffered second and third degree burns with no admittance to a hospital burn unit makes me wonder, greately!!!!

The manager could never have kept me there 30 minutes, because I would have been out the door and on my way to the e.r., the burn must not have been that serious.