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International Branding Media Karl Schilling, aka: The Advocacy NetworkStrategic Alliance Partnershiphttps://about.me/advocacybz https://www.theadvocacynet.org He Advocates protecting clients from scams; I pay him, he deceives me; omits information, gave false promises; I wake up to find I've been Scammed by a beguiling Charmer Davenport, FL 33837 Florida
Mr. Karl Schilling, based on a mutual associate’s referral, called me and sent me information to join his Strategic Alliance Advocacy Partnership for the annual cost of: $895.00. This Advocacy Alliance Partnership gave me the rights to annually own the Advocate lead-generating, auto-responder, data base, marketing system via a Landing Page. This Landing Page would display my name and company and give 3rd party testimony to the legitimacy of my Broker insurance business. Online viewers of my landing page, would fill out a request for more information about the “free” Advocacy consumer membership program. Their information would go into the system’s auto-responder - upon which I would receive notification from the Alliance Advocacy Marketing System to call each respondent; only after, they have received the generated Advocacy Network system’s membership packet. When calling respondents, I would use the phone script sent by Karl Schilling to welcome respondents to join the Advocacy free membership program; during this conversation,
I would advise them of my various insurance services, tailored solutions; and, my availability to service them. According to Karl Schilling, The Advocate, an online landing page, is designed to capture interest of business people looking for a membership into his: Advocacy Program called: The Advocacy Network, -its purpose is to protect members from predators with fraudulent business proposals and activities; providing members a shield against victimization. Karl Schilling, as founder and Sr. VP of Sales Development for his project called: The Advocacy Network, advised me of this lead generating idea in March of 2015 -- not for "free" membership, but to join as a Strategic Alliance Partner with yearly rights to this lead generating marketing system landing page. Before agreeing, I wrote Mr. Schilling, that I had a website and did not need another website, but in view of the information that he, Karl Schilling, sent to me and our brief conversations, my interest was in a system that produces leads.
Karl Schilling promised me the following: for an annual payment of $895.00 my Strategic Alliance Membership would provide me the following benefits. – • A personalized Lead Generating Landing Page –that would be tied to UTube, and Face Book Business Page. • I would receive an initial setup of 3,500 member leads, at 5 - 7 leads per day. • I would receive: 10,000 email lead names, of Richmond, VA., business men, for me to call, and to invite them to become a Free Advocacy member. • I would receive a script written by Karl Schilling to contact all email names and leads who received the Advocacy Network packet – welcome them and advise each of the reasons to be part of the “free” Advocacy network membership. I, as an Alliance Partnership member, also would advise of my own services. After Mr. Karl Schilling received my payment of: $895.00. The following results are the “beginning” of what occurred: • Karl Schilling’s landing page work was shoddy: - misspelling my name; my gender, and a short bio-text, from my website was captured incorrectly. (Please note, since I complained, he has cleared up these mistakes.)
• He planted an ill sized postcard picture on my Face Book page, fonts were fuzzy and bleeding and could not be • corrected. This page is now useless to me. • The UTube area on my Landing Page was filled with unrelated viewer discourse re: "pyramid schemes”, and other unsavory content; plus, a lot of promotion for Karl Schilling’s areas of interest – Fiat money versus gold purchases. He directed viewers to contact him personally to buy gold – Even though, he knew that I was appointed to sell gold, especially on my own landing page. (After again, complaining to him, he has cleaned up the site.) My main issue with Mr. Karl Schilling is that he concealed and omitted critical facts in his verbal and written communication to me. Later on, he changed written and verbal promises, of which I relied on. This subsequent information, certainly shows, how I’ve been misled. To have known this information, before hand; it would have stopped me from joining Mr. Karl Schillings’ Strategic Alliance, Advocacy Partnership. Here are the facts: However, he took my money under this pretense. • Mr. Karl Schilling, now advises that for me to have leads from my landing page, I would have to pay him: • A premium of: $995 per month. • His clients pay him $995 a month and they receive: 200 + leads per month.
• The 10,000 Richmond businessman leads, he promised, he now calls: only “added value”, and he does not have to follow through. By error, three leads, came in April, 2015 - to my landing page auto-responder. I sent the three names from my landing page, an email, and called them. I discovered that either the email was bogus, or the phone number was bogus. I subsequently, called Mr. Karl Schilling, and advised him. Mr. Schilling advised me, by phone, “to ignore them, and, he’ll take care of it”. Mr. Karl Schilling and I hardly communicated, I even wrote him as to our lack of communication. He gave me no training, other than sending me, what I felt was a disappointing script with questionable gaps in it, and telling me to read it. Whenever I questioned him or wanted an explanation to clarify his project, the lack of leads, his script etc., he would go (by phone) into a philosophical dissertation about his experiences, his achievements and who else did I know that he could speak to. He is quite beguiling. Please know, I never received any other leads again. In September, of 2015, we corresponded. I wrote him and asked a refund of my money $895. He refused. He advised of his cost to do the landing page etc., I then said that I would take that into account, so I want half of that - $447.50.
He said, "no", he will give me $200, and he has not answered my rejection of to his offer of $200; nor, did he care about my saying I would contact Better Business Bureau, he was indifferent. Neither, has he acknowledged my fairness of asking for at least half of what I paid for a landing page which is absolutely useless to me and is not "lead generating" as he promised me. He recently sent me an article that “I should not have believed in a “silver bullet”, because there is no such thing as a “silver bullet”. Yet, he sold his Advocacy Alliance Partnership with landing page as a system that was a silver bullet. Mr. Schilling has hurt my business; he took my advertising budget and gave me zero. He is arrogant and indifferent. Most of all, he spouts about scamming, and rip offs and victimization, when he is the master of it all. I wonder how many others he has used for his own schemes. I am very glad there is a RipOff as a resource to warn other people about this man who has perpetuated fraud on me. I, hope that RipOff can change his behavior. All documents will be provided upon request. Thank you.
2 Updates & Rebuttals
advocacybz
Davenport,Florida,
USA
Further Update
#3REBUTTAL Owner of company
Sat, January 30, 2016
Here is the link to work provided for the customer. http://youradvocatedysonhouseassociates.com/ when you go to several other links on this page you will find that every link that has to do with our company is fully active and yet when you attempt to link to the customers own site you get this http://www.safemoneysolutionsandmore.com/
It appears very clear that our company does what it says it will and the customer doesn't even keep their own site active and timely. Actions are far superiro to rheotric and it is clear by the actions of the customer they are not engaged in running their own business in a timely and functional manner while the services we provided are still actively updated and functional.
Sadly, what happens with many sales professionals is they are seeking magic silver bullets and when provided with the realities of marketing, prospecting and persistently pursuing ongoing business many fall short and play the victim card. Our work at Advocacy has been to protect consumers, investors and businesses against scams, fraud and predatory sales tactics and we have successfully done this for almost 5 years now. Of course there will always be unhappy or dissatisfied customers, but there is also accountability for customers who are not willing to actively use and develop the services provided for them. We all are compensated by exchanging value for compensation. This customer was clearly provided the full value proposition we provided and is simply not following through on their own activity.
advocacybz
Davenport,Florida,
USA
Unhappy in Richomond
#3REBUTTAL Owner of company
Sat, January 30, 2016
Our organization did everything possible to satisfy this customer. We offered a refund that the customer refused. We resonded through the BB and made efforts to fully satisfy this complaint. Unfortunately this person wanted to take advantage of services provided for almost 9 months and then demand full refund for services provided. The landing page was completed, the additional value added services included providing copy and graphics for the customer's facebook, twitter and youtube accounts. The customer took months to respond to the needed passwords to complete the process so we provided her with the instructions of how to simply upload the files to her accounts. Numerous phone calls were answered and we even provided this customer with phone scripts and even got on several conference calls with customer and their prospects. Of course I would like to do everything necessary to provide full satisfaction for this customer but she has made unreasonable requests, used our services and then declined the $250 refund were provided for her. As we provided through the BB our refund in the amount of $250 remains. The agreement signed by customer included no refunds for services supplied. This was never a money back guarantee, it was clearly identified services all of which were supplied and signed off on by the customer. We offered the ability to pay with a credit card and the customer declined to do so.
Lastly the facts stated by customer are unfortunately distorted. Customer was never promised any leads whatsoever. The package included a landing page which offered a free membership for protection against financial victimization. The auto-reponder included the membership materials. The customer was provided with 10,000 emails for prospects in her area which the customer needed to use for drip email campaigns we provided instructions for. There were additional fee structures for email campiagns which the customer chose not to participate in. The landing page was fully functional and traffic was the responsibility of the customer, all of this was clearly explained and in the agreement. Anyone with experience in thses areas can realize that the pricing could not include what the customer is touting. We have relationships with over 100 sales professionals and have never had any compliants or dissatisfaction. This is the first and everything reasonably possible was done to satisfy this customer. We cannot allow customers to threaten and attempt to falsely damage our reputation. The BB complaint was taken care of in a timely manner and with full response.
Our last and mst reasonable offer to this customer was a refund of $250 for services that were provided on an agreement that requires no refund whatsover.
Here is the link for the landing page which is still active http://youradvocatedysonhouseassociates.com/