Complaint Review: ITT Technical Institute-Norwood Ohio

As of 5/2/11..not a single credit will transfer to a regionally accredited university. Had roughly 65 credits or so and not a single 1 of them would transfer to the college I am currently at....Just saying.

Chris--

It does sound like in some ways you did have a not so positive experience at ITT Tech but part of it is what you make of it. Have you considered how things would have been at a Traditional University or Community College for you? I can tell you that if you did not like ITT's set up you would have most likely HATED a "traditional" college. No matter where you go to school there are going to be things that you like or dislike about the school. It comes with the territory. I bet almost any school that you look up you will find complaints against. A school can not make 100% of people happy 100% of the time. I am sure this holds true even where you currently work. I am sure there are employees there who are very unhappy and have complaints. Again thats life and it comes with the territory.

First off, I noticed that you posted this back in 2007 which I am assuming means you graduated before or around 2007? I definitely think some things have changed since you were there so keep that in mind. Just because you had a bad experience does not mean that other people do not love it and have not had a wonderful experience from it. I personally have loved my experience there so far. My teachers have been very knowledgeable that they HAVE HAD there degree and work experience in the field. I find this great bc the apply REAL LIFE situations in the class room. They also offer tutoring for any class you need help with and believe me I have used it a few times. Its been a while since I was in school.

Second-- on to your employer told you to forget everything complaint. I can tell you that I completed a 4 year traditional college and I am now at ITT Tech in Norwood completing my degree in CDD. I find that the classes for the CDD program are directly related to my field. At Miami University (which I loved and had a great time) I was on the Miami plan. I was an Accounting Major and had to take things like Psychology, Astronomy, nutrition and Spanish. I basically paid for classes that were completely irrelevant. Would you have wanted to take those types of classes? Also, my class schedule may be 5 days per week. From the sounds of it that would not have worked for you. I could be wrong though.

I would also like to address the fact that your employer told you to forget everything you were taught. I can tell you that I obtained my Bachelors Degree in Accounting from Miami University of Ohio which is said to be in the top 50 schools. I can tell you that my first day on the job at a very reputable and large company I was also told to forget everything that I was taught. You will find some employers do re-train you to fit there company. You were "molded" into what the company needed. I use to work in the staffing industry so I know that it is not un-common for an employer to say that.

With that said--- I do have one question--- If you hated it so much, why did you continue to attend there quarter after quarter? I guess I do not understand if you had this many complaints why you did not leave the school to find a better fit for you.

In closing, stop jumping off the bridge, Take a deep breathe and think It could have been worse.

You guys are forgetting one thing...

ITT Technical Institute is not a regional accredited school. I understand what the last two guys had to say, but being in a National accredited school is a waste of money and your time if you are pursuing a graduate degree in the future. I am attending the Fort Lauderdale campus, and I am graduating from ITT Tech this December with my BS Degree in Electronics Engineering (that is not the same as Electrical Engineering which they don't have). Well, I wanted to attend FIU (Florida International University) for an MS Degree in Biomedical Engineering, but as we all know, Universities and colleges are all regionally accredited and don't accept national accreditation. So, now I have to go sit with the Dean to consider me if I take certain classes to meet the requirements of the program.

If I had done Electrical Engineering at a (n) University, or even Electronics Engineering Technology, I would be sure in since my degree will be a regional accredited degree.


Here is a food for thought!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_accreditation
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Regional accreditation:

Regional accreditation is a term used in the United States to refer to the process by which one of several accrediting bodies, each serving one of six defined geographic areas of the country, accredits schools, colleges, and universities. Each regional accreditor encompasses the vast majority of public and nonprofit private educational institutions in the region it serves.

Regionally accredited schools are predominantly academically oriented, non-profit institutions.

Nationally accredited schools are predominantly for-profit and offer vocational, career or technical programs.

Every college has the right to set standards and refuse to accept transfer credits. However, if a student has gone to a nationally accredited school it may be particularly difficult to transfer credits (or even credit for a degree earned) if he or she then applies to a regionally accredited college. Some regionally accredited colleges have general policies against accepting any credits from nationally accredited schools, others are reluctant to because they feel that these schools' academic standards are lower than their own or they are unfamiliar with the particular school. The student who is planning to transfer credits from a nationally accredited school to a regionally accredited school should ensure that the regionally accredited school will accept the credits before they enroll in the nationally accredited school.

First off, I am an ITT Graduate from the Anaheim, CA campus. I have a Bachelor's Degree in the Electronics program. I cannot argue against the fact that I have had the most of the issues with ITT as mentioned in this article. However, if you feel like you have been fooled, you obviously did not research the school before attending.

The only thing I cannot agree with is that the author claims that some companies do not recognize the degrees from ITT. ITT holds a national accreditation with ACICS, which is approved but the US Education Department. If you feel companies are overlooking your resume just because they do not "accept" degrees issued by ITT, I would file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau against that company, if you feel you are a victim of discrimination.

Furthermore, if you feel your education was a waste of money, perhaps you did not put enough effort into your education and much less, into your job search. As an ITT graduate, I can confirm that getting a foot in the door has been much more difficult than it would have been if I had gone to a more "reputable" school, but if you are hungry enough to succeed, you will not fail.

On top of all of this, ITT has been of greater help to me than any of the more "reputable" schools that I have tried to pursue an education with. The Cal State Schools I contacted would not even attempt to work with me.

Besides, how does one expect to go to school full-time and work full-time, while trying to be a husband and a father when "reputable schools" only offer courses until 3PM in the afternoon? I spoke with a counselor at Cal Poly Pomona about the option for taking night classes and he pretty much told me it was impossible because most of the core classes are never offered as evening classes.

If someone tells you, "We don't ever accept ITT's degrees." They are not necessarily lying to you, but that does not mean it is true. A wise man once told me that nothing is set in stone and pretty much anything is open for negotiation, you just have to know how to present yourself. Have a nice day.

First off I'm not intending to initiate an arguement, I am planning on attending a school for electrical engineering and ITT Tech appears to be an excellent candidate.

That being said I want to comment about your credits being unable to transfer, yes that was once true but no more, ITT Tech is now completely accredited. As of September 2008 the 'Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools'
(ACICS) has accredited ITT Tech and is an accrediting organization recognized by the Council for Higher Education Accreditation and the U.S. Department of Education.
So yes your credits will transfer entirely now.


As for the Autocad 4k software, the point you missed for the reason they used the expensive software is due to the fact that in an industry setting that is exactly what you will be using. It would not be practical for them to teach you a set of low cost autocad software that may be very different from an industry standard program. Another note is the expired licenses, most major schools do not use separate licensing but a non expiring , unlimited use cd-keys for education purposes. An excellent example is the Microsoft Windows XP licensing for colleges, the college I currently attend has such a license.


Another thing is you employers opinions, one thing to know is that no industry wants to place trust in budding colleges, or those who graduate from them, they only place trust in accredited and proven colleges so it is natural for them to have bad things to say about ITT Tech, and let me say that your employers comments of forget everything you learned came from the spawnings of rumor, and collective gossip spread from one person to the other and was not an intelligent remark towards the college.


And as for the teachers teaching abilities, while I would not doubt you saying that they did not help you very much, because I believe you ,but let me say this, the average college class / course is about 2-3 hrs each class twice a week, each teacher must follow a strict curriculum and cover a large amount of material in the alotted time, they cannot always baby step your way through every lesson. If you are having trouble with anything in particular that is completely beyond your understanding, I can guarantee you there are several tutorial times/ student study groups, and other outlets to cover the material. Another note to this is that when you are working in the industry for autocad, and someone from the drawing board hands you some paper with crude drawings for what they want,"thats what you do", No insults intended, but that is what they are getting you in gear for, and I promise you no technology lab is up to par at any college not anything short of MIT, just something to keep in mind.

Now for your final for autocad, the purpose that they had in mind for assigning you to build houses and estimate everything is to prepare you for more than one industry application for the use of autocad software.The bottom line is yes,that is one of your lines of work, if you worked as an autocad in a land development office ( yes autocads work in places like these) the engineer would draw up the specs. write them down, give them to you along with that crude drawing of course :-) and have you (the autocad guy) produce a scale visual representation of his work so it can be presentable. Everybody wants to see the big picture, not listen to the engineer talk about the details about bridge structure and specs when he can show a picture of what it looks like.

The moral of all that typing and their purpose for making you do that was to show that you can demonstrate the ability to collaborate with other people (design team) to plan and execute a project under a deadline. That means you can work under pressure, and work in industry conditions. Im sure I left out a few things but I can always update this. Oh by the way, your comment on architectural design being illegal......that went way over your head, you are a student, you can design whatever you want, you dont work for a company or any type of commercial engineering firm or the like, and the engineers that you presented to were not bidding money for your architectural designs. If you pitched that to anyone who knew what they were talking about they would laugh at you, no offense.



You may have had a bad experience and Im sure things are different in the Ohio Schools as I intend to go to the ITT Tech in Austin, Texas but hold off on turning everyone away from the school, it can provide good things to many people, and im sure 4 years from now I will be able to say that without a doubt.


One last thing, the law suit comment......jeez , your opening statement is losing its ground. NO insult intended, you should read the schools disclaimers and statements you sign, by law they must provide what is specified in their course descriptions, no matter how vaguely they cover the material, they covered it none the less and since you are presented with an approved textbook, that holds no ground that they dont teach you anything. I have met many many graduates who were very satisfied with the couses offered and recieved excellent jobs because of it.

*But trust me a lawsuit would be futile and you would most likely lose even more money, defeats the purpose*

*I didnt intend to insult you or make you look bad, Im giving you an honest representation of some serious homework that I have done over the college and experiences from other colleges that combine to make this statement, I could easily type you 10-20 more pages on this, but that would be a waste of my time.

First off I'm not intending to initiate an arguement, I am planning on attending a school for electrical engineering and ITT Tech appears to be an excellent candidate.

That being said I want to comment about your credits being unable to transfer, yes that was once true but no more, ITT Tech is now completely accredited. As of September 2008 the 'Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools'
(ACICS) has accredited ITT Tech and is an accrediting organization recognized by the Council for Higher Education Accreditation and the U.S. Department of Education.
So yes your credits will transfer entirely now.


As for the Autocad 4k software, the point you missed for the reason they used the expensive software is due to the fact that in an industry setting that is exactly what you will be using. It would not be practical for them to teach you a set of low cost autocad software that may be very different from an industry standard program. Another note is the expired licenses, most major schools do not use separate licensing but a non expiring , unlimited use cd-keys for education purposes. An excellent example is the Microsoft Windows XP licensing for colleges, the college I currently attend has such a license.


Another thing is you employers opinions, one thing to know is that no industry wants to place trust in budding colleges, or those who graduate from them, they only place trust in accredited and proven colleges so it is natural for them to have bad things to say about ITT Tech, and let me say that your employers comments of forget everything you learned came from the spawnings of rumor, and collective gossip spread from one person to the other and was not an intelligent remark towards the college.


And as for the teachers teaching abilities, while I would not doubt you saying that they did not help you very much, because I believe you ,but let me say this, the average college class / course is about 2-3 hrs each class twice a week, each teacher must follow a strict curriculum and cover a large amount of material in the alotted time, they cannot always baby step your way through every lesson. If you are having trouble with anything in particular that is completely beyond your understanding, I can guarantee you there are several tutorial times/ student study groups, and other outlets to cover the material. Another note to this is that when you are working in the industry for autocad, and someone from the drawing board hands you some paper with crude drawings for what they want,"thats what you do", No insults intended, but that is what they are getting you in gear for, and I promise you no technology lab is up to par at any college not anything short of MIT, just something to keep in mind.

Now for your final for autocad, the purpose that they had in mind for assigning you to build houses and estimate everything is to prepare you for more than one industry application for the use of autocad software.The bottom line is yes,that is one of your lines of work, if you worked as an autocad in a land development office ( yes autocads work in places like these) the engineer would draw up the specs. write them down, give them to you along with that crude drawing of course :-) and have you (the autocad guy) produce a scale visual representation of his work so it can be presentable. Everybody wants to see the big picture, not listen to the engineer talk about the details about bridge structure and specs when he can show a picture of what it looks like.

The moral of all that typing and their purpose for making you do that was to show that you can demonstrate the ability to collaborate with other people (design team) to plan and execute a project under a deadline. That means you can work under pressure, and work in industry conditions. Im sure I left out a few things but I can always update this. Oh by the way, your comment on architectural design being illegal......that went way over your head, you are a student, you can design whatever you want, you dont work for a company or any type of commercial engineering firm or the like, and the engineers that you presented to were not bidding money for your architectural designs. If you pitched that to anyone who knew what they were talking about they would laugh at you, no offense.



You may have had a bad experience and Im sure things are different in the Ohio Schools as I intend to go to the ITT Tech in Austin, Texas but hold off on turning everyone away from the school, it can provide good things to many people, and im sure 4 years from now I will be able to say that without a doubt.


One last thing, the law suit comment......jeez , your opening statement is losing its ground. NO insult intended, you should read the schools disclaimers and statements you sign, by law they must provide what is specified in their course descriptions, no matter how vaguely they cover the material, they covered it none the less and since you are presented with an approved textbook, that holds no ground that they dont teach you anything. I have met many many graduates who were very satisfied with the couses offered and recieved excellent jobs because of it.

*But trust me a lawsuit would be futile and you would most likely lose even more money, defeats the purpose*

*I didnt intend to insult you or make you look bad, Im giving you an honest representation of some serious homework that I have done over the college and experiences from other colleges that combine to make this statement, I could easily type you 10-20 more pages on this, but that would be a waste of my time.

First off I'm not intending to initiate an arguement, I am planning on attending a school for electrical engineering and ITT Tech appears to be an excellent candidate.

That being said I want to comment about your credits being unable to transfer, yes that was once true but no more, ITT Tech is now completely accredited. As of September 2008 the 'Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools'
(ACICS) has accredited ITT Tech and is an accrediting organization recognized by the Council for Higher Education Accreditation and the U.S. Department of Education.
So yes your credits will transfer entirely now.


As for the Autocad 4k software, the point you missed for the reason they used the expensive software is due to the fact that in an industry setting that is exactly what you will be using. It would not be practical for them to teach you a set of low cost autocad software that may be very different from an industry standard program. Another note is the expired licenses, most major schools do not use separate licensing but a non expiring , unlimited use cd-keys for education purposes. An excellent example is the Microsoft Windows XP licensing for colleges, the college I currently attend has such a license.


Another thing is you employers opinions, one thing to know is that no industry wants to place trust in budding colleges, or those who graduate from them, they only place trust in accredited and proven colleges so it is natural for them to have bad things to say about ITT Tech, and let me say that your employers comments of forget everything you learned came from the spawnings of rumor, and collective gossip spread from one person to the other and was not an intelligent remark towards the college.


And as for the teachers teaching abilities, while I would not doubt you saying that they did not help you very much, because I believe you ,but let me say this, the average college class / course is about 2-3 hrs each class twice a week, each teacher must follow a strict curriculum and cover a large amount of material in the alotted time, they cannot always baby step your way through every lesson. If you are having trouble with anything in particular that is completely beyond your understanding, I can guarantee you there are several tutorial times/ student study groups, and other outlets to cover the material. Another note to this is that when you are working in the industry for autocad, and someone from the drawing board hands you some paper with crude drawings for what they want,"thats what you do", No insults intended, but that is what they are getting you in gear for, and I promise you no technology lab is up to par at any college not anything short of MIT, just something to keep in mind.

Now for your final for autocad, the purpose that they had in mind for assigning you to build houses and estimate everything is to prepare you for more than one industry application for the use of autocad software.The bottom line is yes,that is one of your lines of work, if you worked as an autocad in a land development office ( yes autocads work in places like these) the engineer would draw up the specs. write them down, give them to you along with that crude drawing of course :-) and have you (the autocad guy) produce a scale visual representation of his work so it can be presentable. Everybody wants to see the big picture, not listen to the engineer talk about the details about bridge structure and specs when he can show a picture of what it looks like.

The moral of all that typing and their purpose for making you do that was to show that you can demonstrate the ability to collaborate with other people (design team) to plan and execute a project under a deadline. That means you can work under pressure, and work in industry conditions. Im sure I left out a few things but I can always update this. Oh by the way, your comment on architectural design being illegal......that went way over your head, you are a student, you can design whatever you want, you dont work for a company or any type of commercial engineering firm or the like, and the engineers that you presented to were not bidding money for your architectural designs. If you pitched that to anyone who knew what they were talking about they would laugh at you, no offense.



You may have had a bad experience and Im sure things are different in the Ohio Schools as I intend to go to the ITT Tech in Austin, Texas but hold off on turning everyone away from the school, it can provide good things to many people, and im sure 4 years from now I will be able to say that without a doubt.


One last thing, the law suit comment......jeez , your opening statement is losing its ground. NO insult intended, you should read the schools disclaimers and statements you sign, by law they must provide what is specified in their course descriptions, no matter how vaguely they cover the material, they covered it none the less and since you are presented with an approved textbook, that holds no ground that they dont teach you anything. I have met many many graduates who were very satisfied with the couses offered and recieved excellent jobs because of it.

*But trust me a lawsuit would be futile and you would most likely lose even more money, defeats the purpose*

*I didnt intend to insult you or make you look bad, Im giving you an honest representation of some serious homework that I have done over the college and experiences from other colleges that combine to make this statement, I could easily type you 10-20 more pages on this, but that would be a waste of my time.

First off I'm not intending to initiate an arguement, I am planning on attending a school for electrical engineering and ITT Tech appears to be an excellent candidate.

That being said I want to comment about your credits being unable to transfer, yes that was once true but no more, ITT Tech is now completely accredited. As of September 2008 the 'Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools'
(ACICS) has accredited ITT Tech and is an accrediting organization recognized by the Council for Higher Education Accreditation and the U.S. Department of Education.
So yes your credits will transfer entirely now.


As for the Autocad 4k software, the point you missed for the reason they used the expensive software is due to the fact that in an industry setting that is exactly what you will be using. It would not be practical for them to teach you a set of low cost autocad software that may be very different from an industry standard program. Another note is the expired licenses, most major schools do not use separate licensing but a non expiring , unlimited use cd-keys for education purposes. An excellent example is the Microsoft Windows XP licensing for colleges, the college I currently attend has such a license.


Another thing is you employers opinions, one thing to know is that no industry wants to place trust in budding colleges, or those who graduate from them, they only place trust in accredited and proven colleges so it is natural for them to have bad things to say about ITT Tech, and let me say that your employers comments of forget everything you learned came from the spawnings of rumor, and collective gossip spread from one person to the other and was not an intelligent remark towards the college.


And as for the teachers teaching abilities, while I would not doubt you saying that they did not help you very much, because I believe you ,but let me say this, the average college class / course is about 2-3 hrs each class twice a week, each teacher must follow a strict curriculum and cover a large amount of material in the alotted time, they cannot always baby step your way through every lesson. If you are having trouble with anything in particular that is completely beyond your understanding, I can guarantee you there are several tutorial times/ student study groups, and other outlets to cover the material. Another note to this is that when you are working in the industry for autocad, and someone from the drawing board hands you some paper with crude drawings for what they want,"thats what you do", No insults intended, but that is what they are getting you in gear for, and I promise you no technology lab is up to par at any college not anything short of MIT, just something to keep in mind.

Now for your final for autocad, the purpose that they had in mind for assigning you to build houses and estimate everything is to prepare you for more than one industry application for the use of autocad software.The bottom line is yes,that is one of your lines of work, if you worked as an autocad in a land development office ( yes autocads work in places like these) the engineer would draw up the specs. write them down, give them to you along with that crude drawing of course :-) and have you (the autocad guy) produce a scale visual representation of his work so it can be presentable. Everybody wants to see the big picture, not listen to the engineer talk about the details about bridge structure and specs when he can show a picture of what it looks like.

The moral of all that typing and their purpose for making you do that was to show that you can demonstrate the ability to collaborate with other people (design team) to plan and execute a project under a deadline. That means you can work under pressure, and work in industry conditions. Im sure I left out a few things but I can always update this. Oh by the way, your comment on architectural design being illegal......that went way over your head, you are a student, you can design whatever you want, you dont work for a company or any type of commercial engineering firm or the like, and the engineers that you presented to were not bidding money for your architectural designs. If you pitched that to anyone who knew what they were talking about they would laugh at you, no offense.



You may have had a bad experience and Im sure things are different in the Ohio Schools as I intend to go to the ITT Tech in Austin, Texas but hold off on turning everyone away from the school, it can provide good things to many people, and im sure 4 years from now I will be able to say that without a doubt.


One last thing, the law suit comment......jeez , your opening statement is losing its ground. NO insult intended, you should read the schools disclaimers and statements you sign, by law they must provide what is specified in their course descriptions, no matter how vaguely they cover the material, they covered it none the less and since you are presented with an approved textbook, that holds no ground that they dont teach you anything. I have met many many graduates who were very satisfied with the couses offered and recieved excellent jobs because of it.

*But trust me a lawsuit would be futile and you would most likely lose even more money, defeats the purpose*

*I didnt intend to insult you or make you look bad, Im giving you an honest representation of some serious homework that I have done over the college and experiences from other colleges that combine to make this statement, I could easily type you 10-20 more pages on this, but that would be a waste of my time.

I thought I should mention a couple other things that didn't occur to me to include when I wrote my original complaint last night.

The ITT Tech campus I went to had no less than 5 Deans during the 2 years I was there.

During the graduation ceremony, my mom was there taking pictures, and one of the pictures was extremely interesting. Remeber that ITT Tech has a graduation ceremony approx. every 3 months-one would think this would have been caught by now. This is a picture of the welcome sign; it reads:
"Wecome to ITT Technical Intitute Comencment Excercises"

And THIS is supposed to be an institute of higher learning! They can't even spell the name of the school properly, let alone in 7 words they spelled 4 of them incorrectly.

Hind sight being what it is, I should have researched the school before signing up. I didn't and that's my fault. That does not, however, excuse the fact that what ITT Tech is selling is far from worth the price and that everyone that earns a paycheck from that company participates in selling lies and worthless info to unsuspecting students.

Also, when it comes to colleges/universities, people tend to take what the reps are saying at face value; those are some of the places you expect to be honest with you. I knew that ITT Tech is a private school, what I did not know was that they are nothing more than a business that has turned their employee training classes into a profit making scheme involving billions of dollars and destroying the hopes and dreams of it's students.