John Beck Free And Clear John Becks ripoff deceitful counterfeit fallacious TOTAL SCAM! Van Nuys California
I purchased John Beck's Free and clear plan a couple months ago.
I thought the information that was sent to me was put together very sloppy, In fact It did not seem to be any form of special information that most do not know about. Most of the information can be found easy on the internet.
Secondly to my suprise it took a couple of weeks to recieve the material, which at the time I did not really think of it but just recently I looked to from where it was shipped, and it turns out that the driving distance from where I am located and from where it was shipped is less then 20 minutes (and it took multiple weeks!?!?)
OK never the less I was a little excited when it came. I mean come on this was the start of my new and exciting career in real estate for just penny's on the dollar!
I watched the dvd as I skimmed through some of the booklets.
The dvd didnt seem to be put together and better then the reading materal. In fact I most likely could produced a better video with just my vx1000 and a simple pc editing program.
So I kinda just counted the loss of the 39.95 and I didnt really think much about it.
Untill, Yes I still fell victim. Just yesterday I recieved a call from a Mr. Joshua Krebs with the mentoring program. They went on and on about how they needed to document people so they can use their success stories and that I qualified for their mentoring program.
This program would guarantee my success and that they would coach me the whole way through. So the hook was out there and I was supid enough to bite. They got me and for a good penny at that. I have a pending balance on my credit card for 8,499.00 which they stated I would be able to pay back with the first deal that I wrapped up.
So after the call I begain to think. I was somewhat nervous about this whole thing after I had calmed down from the initial excitment of thinking "wow I may just be in the money now".
I called them back no one picked up so I left a message for Mr. Krebs asking him to return my call a.s.a.p. and that I had some questions I wanted to ask him.
I recieved a call back about and hour later. I told him that I had been thinking and that I was a little conserned about having such a substantial amount of money being charged to my credit card without any form of writing stating what services this would be paying for. He replied saying that a contract was being shipped overnight to wich I could go over and sign and return.
So afterwards I decided to put John becks name in the search box on my computer (which I should of done befor any of this...*slaps my forehead*) and sure enough I come across this website, with the numerous people that have been deceived like I have.
What really made me notice that I have just put the ball rolling down the wrong hill is that, people state that their fee is always the most they can pretty much charge onto their highest credit card available. That was no different in my case. My card has a 9,600.00 limit, no wonder my fee was 8,499.00 if I had given them my 2,000.00 limit card it would have been 1899.00 I'd bet.
So I have not signed anything yet and they told me that the transaction was only "Pending" untill so. I am somewhat concerned do I have the ability to terminate this fraudulent charge that is "Pending" or am I out the 8,499.00?
If anyone can help or guide me on what I should do next I would greatly appreciate it.
Joseph
Granada Hills, California
U.S.A.
21 Updates & Rebuttals
Anonymus
Southern,California,
U.S.A.
Marcia, be glad you did your research first.
#22Consumer Suggestion
Sat, August 26, 2006
Marcia,
Take a look at recent news report video on the lawsuit againts John Beck's Mentoring of America.
((( website removed by ROR)))
There are even more consumer lawsuits against them taking place right now.
I would really like to see them out of business and/or incurr heavy fees and punishment for violation of consumer protections laws.
They have cheated so many people out of thousands of dollars each. It needs to come to a stop.
I've already read two stories of senior citizens over the age of 70 having been cheated the same way. One of these invidivual's son posted the story on this site. The elderly man began to stop taking his medications just to be able to afford the monthly payments on the huge credit card bill that Mentoring of America and the John Beck employee caused him.
Marcia
Peoria,Illinois,
U.S.A.
thank you enough for making this available to the public
#22Consumer Comment
Thu, August 17, 2006
I was only moments away from ordering John Becks system when I decided to surf the net looking for anything that told me it was a good thing to do. Not realizing I would come across your site that told me it was a bad thing to do. You have saved me from being taken when I believed that this was possible. I can't thank you enough for making this available to the public. I am in a dead end job and living paycheck to paycheck and wanted a way out as Iam sure hundreds of other people are. I was desperate to find a way out of my situation and this looked good to me. I am just so pleased that I decided to look into it further. I can't afford to be ripped off for any amount of money.
Desperate with 2 kids
Joseph
Granada Hills,California,
U.S.A.
I have still not recieved the so called "contract" which they told me was already in the mail the day i canceled.
#22Author of original report
Thu, July 27, 2006
Well I think I got lucky... I called my credit card company the very next day I told them that I wanted the charges to be dropped due to false advertisement, and that I had feelings to believe that it was a scam and fraudulant. They then Told me that since the charges were only pending that I needed to call the company that I had made the transaction with and have them cancel it. At this point I started getting nervous.
So I call the mentoring crack house! knowing I wont get someone on the phone.. and I had a feeling if i left a message saying I wanted to cancel I prolly wouldnt get the call returned...at least not for awhile. So instead I calmly said I was very eager to start and that I just had a question (so that they would be eager to call me back) sure enough unlike others that I have ready where they never call you back. I got a return call in the next 30-45 minutes. I then procceded to tell him that I actually thought about it and I wanted to cancel.
At this point he tells me some B.S. and that he could lower the cost...and if I'd still be interested if he would do so. I said no, and he agreed to drop the "pending transaction". which was said to take up to 10 days to clear off of my credit card. He also stated that the "contract" they had on over night delievery I needed to send back to them. -End of call
As soon as I was off the phone with him I called back my credit card ASAP. I then told them that I had requested them to drop the pending transaction, and that they had agreed. I mainly did this to maybe help "being on the record" if it did come down to having to take this whole thing ot court.
Well I am happy to say the charges did clear, I am very lucky and thank god for saving my butt on that one. The funny part is I have still not recieved the so called "contract" which they told me was already in the mail the day i canceled.
Anonymus
Southern,California,
U.S.A.
Consumer Complaint Form correct link
#22Consumer Suggestion
Mon, July 24, 2006
The above link to the complaint form that I posted is incorrect. I accidentaly made a mistake.
Here is the correct link:
http://consumerprotection.utah.gov/downloads/complaintform.pdf
Anonymus
Southern,California,
U.S.A.
Consumer Complaint Form correct link
#22Consumer Suggestion
Mon, July 24, 2006
The above link to the complaint form that I posted is incorrect. I accidentaly made a mistake.
Here is the correct link:
http://consumerprotection.utah.gov/downloads/complaintform.pdf
Anonymus
Southern,California,
U.S.A.
Consumer Complaint Form correct link
#22Consumer Suggestion
Mon, July 24, 2006
The above link to the complaint form that I posted is incorrect. I accidentaly made a mistake.
Here is the correct link:
http://consumerprotection.utah.gov/downloads/complaintform.pdf
Anonymus
Southern,California,
U.S.A.
Consumer Complaint Form correct link
#22Consumer Suggestion
Mon, July 24, 2006
The above link to the complaint form that I posted is incorrect. I accidentaly made a mistake.
Here is the correct link:
http://consumerprotection.utah.gov/downloads/complaintform.pdf
Anonymus
Southern,California,
U.S.A.
JOSEPH. Whatever you do, DO NOT sign and return that contract that they sent you.
#22Consumer Suggestion
Mon, July 24, 2006
Joseph,
Do NOT sign and return that contract they sent you. Do NOT loose it either. Hold on to it and make a copy. You are going to need it to get your money back if they have already charged you.
Mentoring of America just recently got sued once again. The state of Utah is taking legal action against them for violating consumer protection laws, and is helping people get their money back from Mentoring of America. It's been on the news.
Print this form out, fill it out completely, staple a copy of that contract paper that you were supposed to sign and return to them, and mail it to the address shown on the complaint form stapled together.
consumerprotection.utah.gov/downloads/
complaintform.pdf
Also read the latest complaints on this site on "Mentoring of America" for more info.
Anonymus
Southern,California,
U.S.A.
JOSEPH. Whatever you do, DO NOT sign and return that contract that they sent you.
#22Consumer Suggestion
Mon, July 24, 2006
Joseph,
Do NOT sign and return that contract they sent you. Do NOT loose it either. Hold on to it and make a copy. You are going to need it to get your money back if they have already charged you.
Mentoring of America just recently got sued once again. The state of Utah is taking legal action against them for violating consumer protection laws, and is helping people get their money back from Mentoring of America. It's been on the news.
Print this form out, fill it out completely, staple a copy of that contract paper that you were supposed to sign and return to them, and mail it to the address shown on the complaint form stapled together.
consumerprotection.utah.gov/downloads/
complaintform.pdf
Also read the latest complaints on this site on "Mentoring of America" for more info.
Anonymus
Southern,California,
U.S.A.
JOSEPH. Whatever you do, DO NOT sign and return that contract that they sent you.
#22Consumer Suggestion
Mon, July 24, 2006
Joseph,
Do NOT sign and return that contract they sent you. Do NOT loose it either. Hold on to it and make a copy. You are going to need it to get your money back if they have already charged you.
Mentoring of America just recently got sued once again. The state of Utah is taking legal action against them for violating consumer protection laws, and is helping people get their money back from Mentoring of America. It's been on the news.
Print this form out, fill it out completely, staple a copy of that contract paper that you were supposed to sign and return to them, and mail it to the address shown on the complaint form stapled together.
consumerprotection.utah.gov/downloads/
complaintform.pdf
Also read the latest complaints on this site on "Mentoring of America" for more info.
Anonymus
Southern,California,
U.S.A.
JOSEPH. Whatever you do, DO NOT sign and return that contract that they sent you.
#22Consumer Suggestion
Mon, July 24, 2006
Joseph,
Do NOT sign and return that contract they sent you. Do NOT loose it either. Hold on to it and make a copy. You are going to need it to get your money back if they have already charged you.
Mentoring of America just recently got sued once again. The state of Utah is taking legal action against them for violating consumer protection laws, and is helping people get their money back from Mentoring of America. It's been on the news.
Print this form out, fill it out completely, staple a copy of that contract paper that you were supposed to sign and return to them, and mail it to the address shown on the complaint form stapled together.
consumerprotection.utah.gov/downloads/
complaintform.pdf
Also read the latest complaints on this site on "Mentoring of America" for more info.
Anonymus
Southern,California,
U.S.A.
Joseph
#22Consumer Suggestion
Mon, July 24, 2006
Joseph,
You are correct, they determine the sale price of the course based solely on how much money or available credit you tell them you have. That is why if you go and read past complaints against Mentoring of America on this site, you will see a huge variation in the price people have paid for this same course. I've seen it reported here as low as $1,500 and as high as $15,000 or more, for the same thing. I've also read here that people have talked them down on the price thousands of dollars and they still accepted. They have even allowed some people to enroll in some type of montly payment program where you pay them the price of the course through montly payments.
When a "Jayder Salazar" asked me how much money I had in the bank, I told him about $8,000. Immediately after I said that, he told me the price of the course would be only $7,000 and without pausing for a second, he went on giving me fake promises, money back guarantees, and guaranteeing my success. He did no want to tell me the price when I asked him before I gave him any info on my finance and credit. He would change the subject or take control of the call. Only after he learned about my finances did he give me a price.
I would do all the things that these people above me have said. But I would go one step further with it.
Get a voice recorder, and record any future phone conversations you may have with any of John Beck's or Mentoring of America's people. You can only do this using a phone that has a cord. A cordless phone won't have the cord outlet that a voice recorder needs to plug into to work.
Timothy
Valparaiso,Indiana,
U.S.A.
Solid advice given so far
#22Consumer Comment
Sat, July 08, 2006
The first step is indeed to either prevent the charge from going through or, if it's too late for that, to dispute the charge with your credit card company.
If that doesn't work, you may end up in court.
The above rebuttalist is probably right in asserting that their verbal contract is no good. Most, if not all state's have what's referred to as the "statute of frauds." This law requres that any contract wherein the price exceeds $5000 must be in writing to be enforceable.
In that sense, the fact that they scammed you for so much money may be your saving grace. If they had instead gotten $4999 out of you, you could well have been out of luck because THAT verbal contract would be enforceable.
There used to be a Hawaiian, beer drinking fellow named Reid who would post countless, long-winded rebuttals after every John Beck complaint. I wonder if we'll hear from him? If so, allow me to give an "aloha" in advance.
Timothy
Valparaiso,Indiana,
U.S.A.
Solid advice given so far
#22Consumer Comment
Sat, July 08, 2006
The first step is indeed to either prevent the charge from going through or, if it's too late for that, to dispute the charge with your credit card company.
If that doesn't work, you may end up in court.
The above rebuttalist is probably right in asserting that their verbal contract is no good. Most, if not all state's have what's referred to as the "statute of frauds." This law requres that any contract wherein the price exceeds $5000 must be in writing to be enforceable.
In that sense, the fact that they scammed you for so much money may be your saving grace. If they had instead gotten $4999 out of you, you could well have been out of luck because THAT verbal contract would be enforceable.
There used to be a Hawaiian, beer drinking fellow named Reid who would post countless, long-winded rebuttals after every John Beck complaint. I wonder if we'll hear from him? If so, allow me to give an "aloha" in advance.
Timothy
Valparaiso,Indiana,
U.S.A.
Solid advice given so far
#22Consumer Comment
Sat, July 08, 2006
The first step is indeed to either prevent the charge from going through or, if it's too late for that, to dispute the charge with your credit card company.
If that doesn't work, you may end up in court.
The above rebuttalist is probably right in asserting that their verbal contract is no good. Most, if not all state's have what's referred to as the "statute of frauds." This law requres that any contract wherein the price exceeds $5000 must be in writing to be enforceable.
In that sense, the fact that they scammed you for so much money may be your saving grace. If they had instead gotten $4999 out of you, you could well have been out of luck because THAT verbal contract would be enforceable.
There used to be a Hawaiian, beer drinking fellow named Reid who would post countless, long-winded rebuttals after every John Beck complaint. I wonder if we'll hear from him? If so, allow me to give an "aloha" in advance.
Timothy
Valparaiso,Indiana,
U.S.A.
Solid advice given so far
#22Consumer Comment
Sat, July 08, 2006
The first step is indeed to either prevent the charge from going through or, if it's too late for that, to dispute the charge with your credit card company.
If that doesn't work, you may end up in court.
The above rebuttalist is probably right in asserting that their verbal contract is no good. Most, if not all state's have what's referred to as the "statute of frauds." This law requres that any contract wherein the price exceeds $5000 must be in writing to be enforceable.
In that sense, the fact that they scammed you for so much money may be your saving grace. If they had instead gotten $4999 out of you, you could well have been out of luck because THAT verbal contract would be enforceable.
There used to be a Hawaiian, beer drinking fellow named Reid who would post countless, long-winded rebuttals after every John Beck complaint. I wonder if we'll hear from him? If so, allow me to give an "aloha" in advance.
Alan
Minneapolis,Minnesota,
U.S.A.
Act now
#22Consumer Comment
Fri, July 07, 2006
They are lying again to you when they said the charges are pending. As soon as they had you cc number they billed it. Read other posts on how other people have gotten refunds, but it all begins now with you calling your credit card company and disputing the charges NOW!! dont wait time is their friend. Even if you speak to a mentor it will not take long to realize he/she is a highschool dropout reading from a script. In fact you will be one of the lucky ones if you can find a mentor that can actually read. Press on do not quit, there verbal contract is useless.
Dave
Jacksonville,Florida,
U.S.A.
GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT!!! Cancel Your Credit Card NOW!
#22Consumer Suggestion
Fri, July 07, 2006
Call your credit card company and warn them that an unauthorized transaction is about to take place and you need to CANCEL your card NOW! They will send you a new one and the $8500 charge will not go through.
You should've listened to your instincts. This guy is a scam, plain and simple. You would have better odds at the blackjack table!
Dave
Jacksonville,Florida,
U.S.A.
GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT!!! Cancel Your Credit Card NOW!
#22Consumer Suggestion
Fri, July 07, 2006
Call your credit card company and warn them that an unauthorized transaction is about to take place and you need to CANCEL your card NOW! They will send you a new one and the $8500 charge will not go through.
You should've listened to your instincts. This guy is a scam, plain and simple. You would have better odds at the blackjack table!
Dave
Jacksonville,Florida,
U.S.A.
GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT!!! Cancel Your Credit Card NOW!
#22Consumer Suggestion
Fri, July 07, 2006
Call your credit card company and warn them that an unauthorized transaction is about to take place and you need to CANCEL your card NOW! They will send you a new one and the $8500 charge will not go through.
You should've listened to your instincts. This guy is a scam, plain and simple. You would have better odds at the blackjack table!
Dave
Jacksonville,Florida,
U.S.A.
GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT!!! Cancel Your Credit Card NOW!
#22Consumer Suggestion
Fri, July 07, 2006
Call your credit card company and warn them that an unauthorized transaction is about to take place and you need to CANCEL your card NOW! They will send you a new one and the $8500 charge will not go through.
You should've listened to your instincts. This guy is a scam, plain and simple. You would have better odds at the blackjack table!