Complaint Review: John Beck - Mentoring Of America

That's why you tried to work it out with them.

But, now you need the card company to do a chargeback.

If they refuse, explain to them that you have no intention of paying. So, go ahead and let this mentoring company keep the bank's money.

That statement is bound to make them reconsider. They don't wanna take the loss any more than you do.

I just want to clarify a few things that PMG/Prosper is doing now to keep from being a bait, fish, hook, campain. They now ask you to call so you can get your "free gift". I too got taken by them. I do not know about all the stuff said to be fraudulant to get you to buy. But I do know that what you get for your money is not worth it. I would never have paid $500.00 for what I got.

Upon reading my "Agreement" with PMG I found that it tells you "You have the right to cancel for any reason withing three days of you INITIAL sign up to receive a full refund. Noticication of cancellation musht be receivedvia email. Cancellation requests should be sent to activate@pmgmentors.com and must include you name, email address, and the reason for cancellation. You may cancel your account at any time after the first three days. "
"All set-up and design charges will not ve refunded for work already performed."

So I say that I want a refund and Devin Willis calls me. We have a nice conversation where he offers me to start my mentoring PHONE CALLS over and with a new coach and if that doesn't work then we'll "negosiate a fair price for the mentoring already given". I say I have to talk to my husband about that he tells me go ahead. So then we play phone tag for 3 days. Devin then goes on buisness no e-mail or phone call telling me who he gave my case to. But we had a very nice conversation and things sounded good.
Then I get a call yesterday and a guy from student care tells me he's calling to set up things with a new mentore.

I tell him we'd just like a refund and that Devin said we'd negosiate one. He tells me "it is funny Devin mentioned a refund (since we) don't give refunds." He told me he'd have to resurch the case more and talk to the board of directors and get back to me.
What a crock. It doesn't say you can't get a refund and I"LL GARENTY that the "set-up and design charges" were NO WHERE near what I paid the company.

It's been over 90 days and I don't think I can get my credit company to contest this. What can I do? If someone can tell me the case number of the suit thats going on by Laureen, that would be so awesome. I'd then be able to keep an eye on how that is going.

As far as the promises go they don't deliver on any of that but I'd really just settle for getting the money off my credit card so that I can actually get into Real Estate and not have to get a second job to pay it off. My husband already works two jobs.
HELP
Does anyone know the laws in Washington State governing out of state perchases, companys doing business from other states, in home sales and all that? If they do I'd love to hear from them.

You may have a very legitimate case against PMG, Enlightened Millionaire Institute, John Beck, Mentoring of America, among others. From the way it sounds you were not treated well. And you are correct that many of these "entities" share the same building, and the same office in the same building.

The intent of the last post was simply to let you and everyone else know that some of the companies you listed have nothing to do with PMG or it's many other names. Some may have even been annoyed by them while leasing the space in the same building. Your battle seems hard enough without getting good-upstanding companies involved.

Good luck in your cause. I hope things turn out well for you.

You guys are even more illiterate than I thought! LOL

Go back to school, then re-read the text. Just in case you did not read the previous paragraph here it is. "Below is the result of research for the same address that PMG uses and any other addresses associated with them." By the way, the results were also including the same phone number that PMG uses, which RipOffReport did not post. ((See NOTE: Below))

This list was a simple google search for the address and phone number that PMG uses with the results. It only shows how tangled up the websearches and companies are. NO where in the text did it state that ALL of these were all the same company, although some of them are. It does demonstrate how the companies use the same address and number for numerous businesses.

The text also says that "MANY of these "business entities" are being run out of back rooms and warehouses; and they are being run by criminals!". It does NOT say ALL.

I also suggest getting proper legal counsel BEFORE you make such THREATS against ME! I have said numerous times, BACK OFF!!! You DO NOT know who you are dealing with.

I have had about all I am going to take from you guys! I am really pissed over the threats I have received by phone, e-mail, and in person! When are you going to learn, BACK OFF!

Ask me right now if any of your threats mean anything. NO, THEY DO NOT! SO BACK OFF, unless you want to get arrested for harassment;) WE know who you are, your real name and address that belong to your ip. If I were you, I would BACK OFF NOW!!! Keep up the threats if you wish for THEM to keep watching you. Otherwise, BACK OFF!

If you really would like to know how these companies are tangled up, do a search on this site for these "business entities" and see the many names that are tied to each individual person's report. Then search under those names too. See how each person's report ties you to more names and more and more.

Read the reports online that show you how these companies are busy moving around NOW. I think someone is a little nervous. OH WELL, GET OVER IT! I am going to make sure these business entities COME DOWN! Remember the hackers messaged me saying that they were stalking me and that Women don't like it when they don't have control. Guess what? YOU PISSED OFF THE WRONG WOMAN! NOW, DEAL WITH IT!

The following companies are listed as being aliases or "business entities" of PMG. This is not only false but is slanderous. PMG resides in the same building as other companies. Some of the companies listed did not even maintain a residence at the same time as PMG. Please get the facts straight before making malicious statements that can carry potential legal ramifications.

The following companies are not business entities of PMG and have no formal association with PMG or any of it's companies. They were simply located in the same office building.

Folio Corporation, Open Market, Inc.
Growth Climate
mediaRAIN LLC
NEXTpage LC, (f/k/a ABSB, L.C.)
Substance Abuse Center of Utah
Summit View Foundation
United Rockcrawling & Off-Road Challenge (UROC)

June 23, 2005

Mentoring of America, LLC
406 West 5050 North
Provo UT 84604

Re: JoAnn and Roderic County v. Mentoring of America LLC

Dear Mentoring of America:

This office represents Joann and Roderic County concerning their September, 2004 purchase of the Amazing Profits Real Estate Program. Your company is currently trying to collect $7246.31 from the Countys by making debt collection calls (through your related entity EPN) and by threatening to report this amount on the Countys' credit reports. As explained below, the Countys do not owe any amount, and you are not entitled to make any credit reporting as to them.

I have reviewed the history of this transaction, and find your company's conduct to be shockingly fraudulent. The following is a non-exhaustive list of the fraud:
The CD's and books from the Amazing Profits program were useless. The manuals were incomplete, the vast majority of the websites referenced were dead links, and the CD's were merely infomercials.
Mentoring of America promised the Countys that (1) they could not fail because they would be your next infomercial success story, (2) that if they invested 5-10 hours per week they would make their money back in 60-90 days, and (3) that they would make hundreds of thousands of dollars in the foreclosure market. These were false representations designed to induce the Countys to buy more useless products.
Mentoring of America solicited the Countys to use other people's money for a new real estate program by allowing Mentoring of America to charge their credit card $13,960.00. Your company told the Countys that this amount included (1) lifetime tax preparation or advice, anytime of day or night; (2) free creation of an LLC in Nevada with someone there to answer the phones anytime; and (3) a free trip to Las Vegas to see a John Beck seminar, with travel expenses paid. All of these statements were false. Mentoring of America later tried to charge the Countys additional money for every one of the above items.
Mentoring of America quoted a price to my clients of $13,960 and charged that amount on their credit card. Not coincidentally, this was the County's current credit limit at that time. I understand from my investigation that your company has been defrauding many other consumers by charging them depending on their credit limits.
My clients requested a refund, and Mentoring of America ignored their calls and letters. However, once my clients did a chargeback on their credit card, your company sent my clients email confirmation that the entire $13,960 would be refunded. Kindell Graham of your company told the Countys not to worry, that this was a total refund and that they would not be the subject of any debt collection efforts. These representations were also apparently false. As soon as it had promised a refund, in writing, your company refused return of the books and CD's, and assigned the account to your sister company debt collection agency EPN. Ms. Graham started avoiding the Countys' calls, and once when she answered one of those calls, falsely told the Countys that she would fix the mistake. She did not.
EPN is now trying to collect $7246.31 from the Countys, allegedly for the materials they tried to return and four mentoring calls. EPN now maintains that Mentoring of America didn't actually intend to refund anything, and always intended to collect the money from the Countys later. This is outrageous -- Mentoring of America's own email states otherwise. I am also shocked that your company would try to collect the unconscionable amount of $7246.31 for a total of four phone calls lasting 20 minutes each, which constituted little more than walking my clients through a website and having them write down their goals. EPN has also informed my clients that their credit reports are about to be damaged, and that Mentoring of America has instructed it to collect the debt.
In addition to the obvious fraud chronicled above, your company violated California's Home Solicitation Sales Act in wholesale fashion. The Legislature passed the Home Solicitation Sales Act in 1971 in order to protect consumers from the unfair pressures of sales which are consummated in the home. See Civil Code 1689.5 et. seq.; Weatherall Aluminum Products, Co. v. Scott, 71 Cal.App.3d 245, 249 (1977). The Act grants consumers a 3-day right to cancel such transactions. Civil Code 1689.6. The seller must disclose the 3-day right to cancel in writing, directly above the space for the consumer's signature on the contract (Civil Code 1689.7(a)(1)), and must orally disclose the 3-day right to cancel as well. Civil Code 1689.7(f). The seller must also provide a special tear-off cancellation form in duplicate that the buyer may then use to cancel the transaction. Civil Code 1689.7(b).
Your company did none of these things. Therefore, my clients have the right to cancel the transaction at any time. Civil Code 1689.7(g). Upon cancellation, your company had 10 days to refund all payments made under the contract, and had 20 days to pick up its goods. Your company did not refund all the payments, and it failed to accept the returned goods. Accordingly, my clients may keep the goods without any obligation to pay. Civil Code 1689.7(c) and 1689.11.
It makes no difference that your sales force used the telephone to induce the Countys to enter into the agreements, and never came to their home. The Act applies to telephonic transactions where the offer is accepted at home, regardless of who initiates the telephone call. People v. Toomey, (1985) 157 Cal.App.3d 1; Weatherall Aluminum Products v. Scott, (1977) 71 Cal. App.3d 245; Janzen v. Workers' Comp. Appeals Bd, (1997) 68 Cal.Rptr.2d 260, 263; Luskin & Sons, Inc. v. Samovitz, (1985)166 Cal.App.3d 533, 536 (Although the home solicitation statute is commonly thought of as protecting consumers from the high pressures sales tactics of door-to-door solicitors, the clear, unambiguous language of the statute gives it a much broader application).
Pursuant to the Home Soliciation Sales Act, and because of the underlying fraud described above, any transactions between your company and the Countys are entirely void and unenforceable. You are also hereby put on notice that your company violated many provisions of the Consumers Legal Remedies Act at Civil Code 1770(a). The CLRA provides the prevailing consumer with injunctive relief, and attorneys fees. Moreover, you are hereby advised that if you fail to cure your violations of the CLRA within 30 days, the Countys will also be entitled to damages and punitive damages against you.
You have the opportunity to cure your violations by doing the following within 30 days:
1. Agreeing in writing to waive any alleged debt you contend the Countys owe, and recalling your debt collection agency EPN.
2. Agreeing in writing on behalf of Mentoring of America and EPN not to report any tradeline on the Countys credit reports at any time.
3. Ceasing all contact with the Countys, including by EPN.
4. Returning the Countys' payment of $39.95 for the Amazing Profits materials.
If you do not comply with this demand, the Countys will file a lawsuit against your company and EPN for fraud, violations of the Home Solicitation Sales Act, violations of the Rosenthal Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, and for damages and punitive damages under the Consumers Legal Remedies Act. The Countys will also consider bringing a class action to set aside all of your transactions in California during the last four years as voidable home solicitation sales, and to force you to return all monies you have obtained in those transactions.
Thank you for your consideration of the above. I look forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,

cc: Roderic and JoAnn County

Reid you have worked hard on this and have posted LOADS of great information. You just need to take the next step because the scum bags of the world WILL take the next step towards court.

You forgot sailing!

Hi. Thanks and I've read your report before. I just wasn't sure if or how PMG and Mentoring of Amercia/John Beck were related.

I'd love to have our attorneys at least correspond with eachother. I'm sure they would help each other tremendously. I am so sorry for all you've been through.

Sounds like you've got punitive damages up the yang..lol. What A$$ Holes to put your info on line. I too have had my identity stolen, 4 times now, which is how I came in contact with my attorney Alex Trueblood.

I'll keep everyone posted as things progress. I'm quite sure that Mentoring of America will ignore my attorney's letter just like everything else.

Let me know how they're related ok? I'll pass that info on to my attorney once you give it to me. Take care, and keep up the fight. JoAnn

By the way, I encourage everyone to donate some money to this site since they are providing us a forum to air our problems, and are being sued as we speak!!

What was I thinking? Or not thinking? Thank you, thank you, thank you, Ed Magedson, creator of the ripoffreport.com/badbusinessbureau.com for providing consumers this awesome forum to speak out.

You are truly the man! The John Beck scam is beginning to unfold because of all your hard work, sacrifices, loyalty and dedication to the people. What this world needs is more people like yourself and far less bureaucratic puppets.

Aloha and God Bless.

What was I thinking? Or not thinking? Thank you, thank you, thank you, Ed Magedson, creator of the ripoffreport.com/badbusinessbureau.com for providing consumers this awesome forum to speak out.

You are truly the man! The John Beck scam is beginning to unfold because of all your hard work, sacrifices, loyalty and dedication to the people. What this world needs is more people like yourself and far less bureaucratic puppets.

Aloha and God Bless.

Hey there John along with Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Sounds like a wonderful idea John! It would be awesome to gather everyone that have followed this thread over to Hawaii for a huge fantastic get away! Shills and all! John Beck excluded.

Dinner, cocktails, clubbing, boogie boarding, you name it. We can cruise up and down Waikiki everyday (in a rental of course). LOL! Maybe we can finally get some Dateline NBC coverage. Hey, it's ok to dream.

Yes, when all the smoke is clear, I would love nothing more than meeting yourself, the family and everyone else who have been through the same situtation as myself.

Although we have many differences in opinions, I would definitely love to meet Tim and Karlton as well. My apologies to the both of them for being such an a$$. They will one day realize what a nice person I truly am.

Much thanks to each and every one of the many victims who have shared their experiences, and to those who went out of their way just to offer their support.

Special thanks to you John, for constantly giving me the motivation and encouragement to do what I truly love and enjoy, and that is spreading the word regarding corruption.

.....And let us not forget both Joann and Laureen for spear heading the campaign, which may have the potential to get really ugly for this corrupt entity.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean for this to sound like a thank you speech. It's just that I am really exited for the many who have been backed up and kept on fighting. You may all have set the stage for many wonderful things to come.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Thanks Joann--the info. from your lawyer can help us all!!I am also fighting hard to get my refund too!! My credit card company has made me jump thru many hoops (which I have done) and I have provided them with much info about the Beck scam--much of it with the info from this site. Their investigative dept. has promised me that I should finally see my reimbursement no later than July 1st --I have lost track of the number of times I have called them about the status of their investigation. I have been almost dreading the day that the refund occurs due to the Collection Agency debate which has been going on. It appears that Beck's crew has changed tactics and now ignores the Credit Card investigation process and sends us directly to their Collection Agency for further harrassment (sorry Reid, but it looks like you got your reimbursement BEFORE they changed their tactics--they seem to use this method now on everyone who gets their credit card company to reimburse the charges) The big debate seems to be what we should do once this occurs--send them a letter saying to leave us alone? --Get a lawyer? Contact a slew of outside agencies about this scam? (heck, how many of us have already done this and these parasites are still able to conduct their scam in spite of it!!) Contact the media? (Beck has apparently greased the right media palms because this method seems to have been ignored by tv and the press) We are up against a powerful corrupt agency who will stoop to incredible lows to keep their scam going. Finally, we have specific documentation of illegal practices that they are conducting that we can use against them. By siting these specific violations to both Mentoring of America and their Collection Agency, this is the exact weapon all of us can use when they threaten us to pay up or get our credit ruined. WE ARE THE VICTIMS HERE, NOT THE VILLAINS!! To be able to site the exact violations these scumbags are practicing is EXACTLY what all of us have needed to fight these parasites effectively---by stating why we are not going to pay and what we will do if they choose to pursue their extortion!! This letter saves many of us the trouble of seeking legal help to find out the exact specifics of what we already knew but couldn't site--THE EXACT RULES OF LAW AND HOW IT PERTAINS TO US IN OUR FIGHT AGAINST THIS CORRUPT COMPANY!! Many thanks to you too, Reid. You are the true "Sultan of Swat" hammering away at those who try to scare us in pursuing what we deserve--REIMBURSEMENT FROM GETTING SWINDLED BY THESE PARASITES. (Don't sell yourself short--The Babe never hammered a baseball as hard as you hammer these eggheads who use this site to try to justify Beck's scandal or try to scare us that we are fighting a hopeless battle!!) Some day, after this nightmare is finally over, I hope to take my family out to see your wonderful paradise (Hawaii) and shake your hand for fighting so hard for all of us!!(and hope you can join us for dinner--my treat please!!)--Don't believe those idiots who measure success by the size of their wallets. The true value of the help you give to the many people on this site cannot be measured in $$'s and you are a rich man where it counts the most--in guts, character, and the willingness to help your fellow man (or woman). Many thanks to the both of you!! To all the other fellow victims--keep up the good fight and justice will prevail!!

I have a novel idea Joann. I think our attorneys should talk to each other. My attorney is a Pitbull too! He made his name on the Exxon Valdez case by winning it. Thanks to PMG for posting my name and identity. They knew I was a victim of identity theft and thought by posting my identity that it would scare me off. I am happy to say, it DID NOT work. In fact, they opened up more doors for my defense against them and all of their "business entitites".

Please view my report at http://www.ripoffreport.com/Internet-Marketing-Companies/Professional-Marketi/professional-marketing-group-F9B8B.htm

There are a few points I would add to the letter.

First, Mentoring of America did not just sell you the program based on your available credit, but they probably had knowledge PRIOR to phoning you and quoting a price. In other words, they may have stolen your identity before they stole your money. In my case, spyware, trojans, keyloggers, and hackers stole my identity. Did you know that it is now a crime, or should I say felony, for trojans, keyloggers, and spyware to be installed on someone's computer without their knowledge? New laws are passing daily. Here is a sample of my firewall log for the past 1/2 hour while writing this rebuttal. I believe someone is upset with me. LOL

Time, Event, Intruder, Count
6/23/2005 8:59:06 PM, MSRPC_RemoteActivate_Bo, S010600e029965fd3.sc.shawcable.net, 1
6/23/2005 8:56:51 PM, MSRPC_RemoteActivate_Bo, 218-228-181-167.eonet.ne.jp, 1
6/23/2005 8:55:26 PM, MSRPC_RemoteActivate_Bo, 24.82.168.124, 1
6/23/2005 8:52:52 PM, MSRPC_RemoteActivate_Bo, adsl196-34-219-206-196.adsl196-7.iam.net.ma, 1
6/23/2005 8:47:47 PM, MSRPC_RemoteActivate_Bo, rrcs-24-105-129-174.nyc.biz.rr.com, 1
6/23/2005 8:36:59 PM, MSRPC_RemoteActivate_Bo, dsl37.netway.com.cy, 1
6/23/2005 8:29:36 PM, SQL_SSRP_Slammer_Worm, 209.164.24.9.ptr.us.xo.net, 1
6/23/2005 8:29:36 PM, SQL_SSRP_StackBo, 209.164.24.9.ptr.us.xo.net, 1

Second, they not only promised to make your investment back within 60-90 days, but they promised to double it within 6 months, which they promised me. Compound the monies every 3 months, this would mean they owe everyone victimized by their scam a lot of money! This would mean they breached their own contract!

Third, they did not disclose all of the fees associated with their venture on the initial contact. This means the monies were secured in deception.

Fourth, BAIT AND SWITCH schemes are fraudulent. In my case, the purchase of the book, Multiple Streams of Income was the BAIT. The SWITCH was when I received a call from PMG/Mentoring of America.

There is a unified consumer movement occurring. Thanks to RipOffReport, e-mails have been flooding in to me. (Thanks for posting my identity PMG! Since I cannot hide, I will not let you either. Did I mention, BAD MOVE!) RipOffReport also has a long list of people's names and contact information that the authorities have access to view. I have a long list of unsatisfied customers who have left PMG/Prosper since their websites were not operational on their previous server. I have an even longer list of people who are not satisfied with any of their other business entities which includes a long list of almost 100 business names that are being used in this web-mob's circle of deceit and 1000's of people who were not satisfied. It takes a while to gather all of the information for such a lawsuit. It will take some time to sort through all of the 1000's of complaints on file with all agencies of all states such as the Attorney General's offices, BBB's, credit card companies, etc. Also, in class action lawsuits, many times the victim is only contacted in the end once a settlement has been reached. I have had many come forward to say that they are willing to use their story and testify if necessary.

By posting your OWN RipOffReport, it is like testifying. The report will all be used against PMG and their business entities, which includes John Beck. Everyone will have some say.

These business entities ar

Reid please remember what you posted and read my posts in full. You will see that I did indeed say go after them OR be ready for them to come after you. Remember you shouted me down. LOL! But as always its all about you, I am sure you will have some disjointed response. LOL!

Lets review shall we?
A) Protest the credit card bill! We all agree.

B) Get ready they will send you to a collection agency they are in bed with. You say do not communicate and send a denial. I agree send the denial of debt.

C) GET READY to FIGHT either on the offense or defense. This is where we part ways. You think they will go away if you just keep sending them denial letters. Thus you are taking the passive stance. I on the other hand doubt they will roll over, I think every victim should get ready to fight! Have a full paper trail ready an attorney and if you need to attack as in this case! They will fight like a trapped rat.

In this case she chose to take the offensive truly not just send denial letter after denial letter approach, I say BRAVO!

Would you have her not have the attorney be getting ready to expose the fraud? Did you forget the guy behind this is also an attorney who may not want to be charged as a fraud then just dry up his cash cow and blow away?

When the attorney in this case wins and I think he will, then there will be a case where the other victims can follow. Or should they just only send denial letters?

Hey Reid. How are you? I hope all is well with you. I just wanted to personally thank you for all of your help.

You did help me to get my credit card company to reverse the charges, and now I've had to retain my attorney to help me deal with John Beck/Mentoring of America and EPN directly.

Your support and encouragment really do help, and I appreciate both.

I will let you know how things progress by updating often. I don't expect to have any new news until 30 days from now.

Until then, keep responding to these threads.

Hey there Joann,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Congratulations! Looks like the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute may have gotten a little careless and desperate with their scam, and may have very well screwed with the wrong person. LOL.

Good luck to you and your attorney. Win, lose, or draw, your last rebuttal (letter from attorney) will at very least, finally shed the much needed light on the many fraudulent Real Estate "rags to riches" programs and "wealth building" scams in general.

Oh smart one, how did I know you were going to respond to Joann's rebuttal, as if it somehow pertains to what you are trying to say? LOL.

Until next time, take care Joann cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

What the heck are you babbling about now? It's Joann's attorney who's threatening to take the fraudulent Mentoring Of America to court and not the other way around oh smart one, so there IS NO line drawn.

Read the letter again S.L.O.W.L.Y, and hopefully you will notice that John Beck Mentoring of America is commiting fraudulent activities and his "contract" is good for dookie.

The letter is totally contrary to what you're interested in having many believe. Better have a friend re read your rebuttals, because from the sound of them one might get the impression that you honestly believe the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute has a legitimate case in court with his toilet paper for a contract in hand.

Are you really as dumb as you make yourself out to be? Don't answer, because it wouldn't surprise me if you answered yes, and thus made me feel guilty for asking. Go away like you promised you would, before I take you to court! LOL!

Bravo. I am so glad to read that letter from your attorney. The line in the sand is now drawn. So good to hear you have a pit bull attorney, because as your attorney may or may not have told you they may go after you for the contract. Stay strong, thanks for filing a Rip Off Report!

Thank you for pointing out that just disputing the credit card and phony collection agency was not enough to back them down.

GO FOR IT!