Complaint Review: John Beck's Amazing Profit - Real Estate Mentoring Program

Hey there Abul along with Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Now, that I've already displayed my 100% irrefutable dispute letter for the entire world to see, which the fraudulent John Beck "Mentoring" Intitute were totally unable to prove false or to the contrary, I've now also decided to display their response to it.

FRAUDULENT JOHN BECK "MENTORING" INSTITUTE'S RESPONSE:

Please issue a creditback to our account for $6,400.00. Cardholder has purchased our Real Estate Mentoring Program. Please see attached "SIGNED" Enrollment Agreement/Contract.

Thank you.

S. Lyons

___________________________________

F%ck, if this is not a letter "begging" my credit card company to assist in their extortion attempt, I don't know what is. LOL. They forgaot to add, Oh please, please give us money for our fraudulent services. LOL.

What the f%ck does this retardo response have to do with anything? Anyone with basic reading and comprehension would realize, that fraudulent John Beck "Mentoring" Institute's response has absolutely nothing to do with my dispute, for it does not disprove my experience in any way, prove anything, that I've mentioned erroneous or to the contrary.

I have not once denied enrolling into John Beck's fraudulent "mentoring" program, therefore, their response has absolutely nothing to do with my dispute.

Anyway's, I don't know what more could be said about "mentoring" scams at this time, but I'll definitely be back with more details as they come along.

Until then, take care Abul along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. In case you haven't already done so, go to classaction@ripoffreport.com to express your interest in a class action lawsuit against this scam company.

Hey there Abul along with Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Now, that I've already displayed my 100% irrefutable dispute letter for the entire world to see, which the fraudulent John Beck "Mentoring" Intitute were totally unable to prove false or to the contrary, I've now also decided to display their response to it.

FRAUDULENT JOHN BECK "MENTORING" INSTITUTE'S RESPONSE:

Please issue a creditback to our account for $6,400.00. Cardholder has purchased our Real Estate Mentoring Program. Please see attached "SIGNED" Enrollment Agreement/Contract.

Thank you.

S. Lyons

___________________________________

F%ck, if this is not a letter "begging" my credit card company to assist in their extortion attempt, I don't know what is. LOL. They forgaot to add, Oh please, please give us money for our fraudulent services. LOL.

What the f%ck does this retardo response have to do with anything? Anyone with basic reading and comprehension would realize, that fraudulent John Beck "Mentoring" Institute's response has absolutely nothing to do with my dispute, for it does not disprove my experience in any way, prove anything, that I've mentioned erroneous or to the contrary.

I have not once denied enrolling into John Beck's fraudulent "mentoring" program, therefore, their response has absolutely nothing to do with my dispute.

Anyway's, I don't know what more could be said about "mentoring" scams at this time, but I'll definitely be back with more details as they come along.

Until then, take care Abul along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. In case you haven't already done so, go to classaction@ripoffreport.com to express your interest in a class action lawsuit against this scam company.

Hey there Abul along with Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Now, that I've already displayed my 100% irrefutable dispute letter for the entire world to see, which the fraudulent John Beck "Mentoring" Intitute were totally unable to prove false or to the contrary, I've now also decided to display their response to it.

FRAUDULENT JOHN BECK "MENTORING" INSTITUTE'S RESPONSE:

Please issue a creditback to our account for $6,400.00. Cardholder has purchased our Real Estate Mentoring Program. Please see attached "SIGNED" Enrollment Agreement/Contract.

Thank you.

S. Lyons

___________________________________

F%ck, if this is not a letter "begging" my credit card company to assist in their extortion attempt, I don't know what is. LOL. They forgaot to add, Oh please, please give us money for our fraudulent services. LOL.

What the f%ck does this retardo response have to do with anything? Anyone with basic reading and comprehension would realize, that fraudulent John Beck "Mentoring" Institute's response has absolutely nothing to do with my dispute, for it does not disprove my experience in any way, prove anything, that I've mentioned erroneous or to the contrary.

I have not once denied enrolling into John Beck's fraudulent "mentoring" program, therefore, their response has absolutely nothing to do with my dispute.

Anyway's, I don't know what more could be said about "mentoring" scams at this time, but I'll definitely be back with more details as they come along.

Until then, take care Abul along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. In case you haven't already done so, go to classaction@ripoffreport.com to express your interest in a class action lawsuit against this scam company.

Hey there Abul along with Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Now, that I've already displayed my 100% irrefutable dispute letter for the entire world to see, which the fraudulent John Beck "Mentoring" Intitute were totally unable to prove false or to the contrary, I've now also decided to display their response to it.

FRAUDULENT JOHN BECK "MENTORING" INSTITUTE'S RESPONSE:

Please issue a creditback to our account for $6,400.00. Cardholder has purchased our Real Estate Mentoring Program. Please see attached "SIGNED" Enrollment Agreement/Contract.

Thank you.

S. Lyons

___________________________________

F%ck, if this is not a letter "begging" my credit card company to assist in their extortion attempt, I don't know what is. LOL. They forgaot to add, Oh please, please give us money for our fraudulent services. LOL.

What the f%ck does this retardo response have to do with anything? Anyone with basic reading and comprehension would realize, that fraudulent John Beck "Mentoring" Institute's response has absolutely nothing to do with my dispute, for it does not disprove my experience in any way, prove anything, that I've mentioned erroneous or to the contrary.

I have not once denied enrolling into John Beck's fraudulent "mentoring" program, therefore, their response has absolutely nothing to do with my dispute.

Anyway's, I don't know what more could be said about "mentoring" scams at this time, but I'll definitely be back with more details as they come along.

Until then, take care Abul along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. In case you haven't already done so, go to classaction@ripoffreport.com to express your interest in a class action lawsuit against this scam company.

Hey there Abul along with Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

All that we can do for the time being, is wait it out and see what happens. The more victims that come forward to express interest in a class action lawsuit, the better.

There is tremendous strength in numbers. We may need to wait for an entire new batch of scam victims to come forward, and express interest in joining our class action, before beautiful things start to happen.

It may take awhile, but as long as this fraudulent company continues it's practice, I'm confident, that we'll have no problem collecting what's rightfully ours, while seeking justice for all.

Until next time, take care Abul along with Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

ATTENTION: In case you haven't already done so, go to classaction@ripoffreport.com to express your interest in participating in what I feel has the potential to become the largest class action lawsuit in the history of mankind, as it involves many different Infomercial companies.

Hi Reid and Everyone,

Hope you are all doing well. I am writing here to let you guys know that I am in 100% support of filing a Class Action lawsuit agains JB & Co. I sent an email to classaction@ripoff.com yesterday sating my interest, I have not heard anything form them.

Reid,

How can I be of help? Let me know if you need anything. Thanks.

Hey there Abul along with Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

ATTENTION ALL VICTIMS OF THE FRAUDULENT JOHN BECK MENTORING INSTITUTE, AS WELL AS THEIR FRAUDULENT ACTIVITIES!

The moment of truth has finally arrived. I'm interested in starting a class action campaign against this fraudulent company, along with all of their fraudulent activities.

It's now time to separate the spearheaded, from those, that are content with just complaining about their experience.

Also seeking any and all ex-employees of the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute (yes, including yourself Mike Evans), that may have gotten shafted by this company, and are now ready, willing and able to come forward to "spill the beans" and finally bring this scam to a rest.

This is going to happen with or without you. It's just a matter of time, and whether or not you want to participate in what might very well become the largest class action lawsuit in the history of mankind.

I am starting to compile a list of all victims of the John Beck "Mentoring" Institute scam, that may possibly be interested in establishing a class action lawsuit against the company.

There's a considerable amout of others, that have shown some interested in getting the ball rolling. I will make every effort to direct them, as well as all others from here on out, to the all important email address as well. So I ask, who's with me on this!

So if you're serious and not just curious, go ahead and submit your interest to classaction@ripoffreport.com.

Until next time, take care Abul and Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Thanks Reid for Your Dispute Letter--

Hello Reid and everyone! Hope you are all doing well. First of all, I would like to thank Reid for sharing his dispute letter with us. It will give me a good Idea as to how to compose my own. I am very positive that I will win this dispute. I suggest everyone who has not yet taken action on their charges take a look at Reid's experience.

Once we all have put this bitter experienc of disputes behind we should work together to file a class action lawsuit against John Beck's Compnay. This is very important even if you have been able to get a refund through your credit card disput. This is because, if we as consumers don't take action and don't set examples the JB crooks will become bolder and stronger and will not stop at anything. We need to get these guys to pay for their fraudulent activities.

I need to go now but I will be back soon and will be looking forward to reading your comments. Thanks to you all. Take care.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Just as I promised, I have posted the letter in which I sent to my credit card company's dispute department. Abul, use my letter (your own experience of course), which has succeeded in winning the dispute, as an example of how you should type out your letter.

The fraudulent John Beck mentoring Institute attempted to submit items on their behalf, items which they felt had been legitimate counters to my awesome dispute, but basically all of their submissions had absolutely nothing to do with my dispute, and were literally nothing but requests begging to have the charges reversed in their favor. LOL

By viewing the letter, which I have submitted to my credit card company, you'll see that I have been nothing but professional throughout the entire ordeal.

My letter clearly demonstrates my calmness, and politeness. F%CK THAT $H!T, I'M THROUGH WITH POLITENESS! LOL. POLITENESS ALMOST GOT ME JACKED!

My letter also clearly demonstrates the fact, that all I was ever interested in was honesty(fair dealings), an explanation regarding the obvious run around I'd been receiving, an answer to my tax related questions, an apology and a fresh start.

Simple tasks for legitimate businesses. Anyways, here's that letter.
Friday November 28, 2003

To whom it may concern,

Hello there, my name is Reid _______ and I am writing to you because I am disputing a charge. The charge that I am referring to is John Beck's Amazing pro in the amount of $6,400.00.

I am disputing the entire amount. The reason for this dispute is I am starting to lose trust in my coach and the gentleman in customer service that sold me on the program.

I have been misled, deceived, enticed and or even coerced into investing the $6,400.00. According to the company's infomercial, people literally spend thousands of dollars to attend some of John beck's seminars.

The infomercial tries to influence people's belief, that by ordering the program, one would not have to spend thousands of dollars (like the people who attend the seminars) in order to profit from the program.

The infomercial wants people to believe that all someone has to do to in order to succeed in real estate investing is purchase the program for a nominal investment of $59.89 and learn valuable information about real estate investing.

Mike Evans (customer service) was the person that sold me on this coaching idea. I was in the process of moving to a new address the day I received the initial start up package through the mail.

The welcome letter contained a telephone number that I had been instructed to call, when I was ready to get started. I called the number even though I had been running late for work that day.

I spoke to a gentleman and he told me that he was going to have someone else contact me later that day. Mike Evans (customer service) is the gentleman that later contacted me.

Mike Evans (customer service) explained that $6,400.00 would be placed on my credit card and used as leverage. Mike Evans (customer service) seemed really adamant and determined to get my credit card number.

Because I was in a rush to leave for work at the time, I might have been a bit vulnerable. He seemed genuinely interested in my success at the time and explained to me, that the objective of the program was to create success stories to use in future infomercials.

The plan and agreement that had been set fourth, was for me to be assigned an investing coach and have the coach assist me in locating, purchasing and reselling real estate for profit.

The coach was to be my mentor and guide me through my first few transactions step by step. Together our primary objective was to recover the $6,400.00 as quickly as possible.

I was told by Mike Evans (customer service) in that very first phone conversation that your investment of $6,400.00 is 100% tax deductible and you're going to get the entire amount back in your income tax return, which at the time seemed pretty strange because I am well aware that, 100% tax deductible in no way means a full refund on an investment.

But the thought must have inadvertently slipped my mind at the time partially due to being in such a rush to leave home for work. I was introduced to Jeff (coach) on a later date and my coach and I had agreed on Thursdays as the day in which we discuss strategies.

Things started out fine, aside from the fact that Jeff (coach) wasn't the most enthusiastic person over the phone and at times even sounding lethargic and disinterested.

During the first scheduled appointment with Jeff (coach), it was explained to me that there isn't much that could be done with the program besides online auctions, because I reside in Hawaii.

Once again the infomercial had me believing otherwise. In the infomercial, the host specifically asks John Beck if the program works in exotic locations such as Hawaii and Arizona.

John beck's response was yes. This question would have anyone believing that it makes absolutely no difference where a person lives. Later as more appointments went on, I started realizing that I was learning absolutely nothing.

I phoned visa's dispute department and a gentleman told me that there was nothing that could be done at that time because the services were being rendered accordingly.

I was starting to feel like I have made a really bad investment. The weekly appointments that are scheduled consists of 10 fifteen to twenty minute over the phone conversations, in which I am supposed to ask questions and have them answered by an established coach.

I should have received much more information by now. So far, the information that I have received is worth even far less then my initial investment of $59.89. I am new to investing and I have absolutely no idea about what kinds of questions are pertinent to succeed in investing.

Together my coach and I went through three scheduled sessions and all that I have gained so far for the $6,400.00 investment is a few website addresses (3 to be exact), where I am supposed to bid blindly (basically gamble) for property.

And about all the tax information that I am supposed to receive from my coach, well, all he did was suggest that I obtain a G.E. (general excise) tax license and contact H&R Block with any and all my questions and concerns.

Jeff (coach) had recently failed to contact me for one of our scheduled appointments, so I contacted him. During that appointment Jeff (coach) had mentioned nothing about rescheduling another appointment at no charge, even though it is in the agreement that if he fails to contact me, another appointment is scheduled at no charge.

From the very beginning, I specifically told Mike Evans (customer service) that I could not afford to play phone tag with any of his staff.

$6,400.00 was all I could afford at that present time ($6,400.00 was a tremendous burden in itself). I explained to him from the very beginning, that I could not really afford to bid much on property, had limited computer knowledge, limited education and could not afford to rack up long distance phone charges.

I made it very clear. Mike Evans (customer service) assured me that my background, lack of computer knowledge, and lack of funds to invest and use to make long distance phone calls would be of very little concern.

Mike Evans (customer service) told me that he would look into matters and return my call. He was going to see if he was able to find me a different coach who had a toll free number.

Since that time, absolutely no attempt has been made to return my call. The second time I tried calling customer service (totally separate occasion), the woman on the other end refused to connect me with Mike Evans (customer service) and told me that I needed an appointment in order to speak with him.

That was so untrue because not two seconds after I hung up the phone with her, my phone rang and it was Mike Evans (customer service) on the other end. Needless to say, I was pretty upset.

Mike Evans (customer service) assured me that he would talk to her about the misunderstanding and also assured me that it would never happen again.

He suggested that I call him back again on Monday November 24, 2003 at 12:00 p.m. Hawaii time (which would be 4:00 p.m. his time) for an answer to my concerns. He also told me that he was going to be in his office until 3:00 p.m. Hawaii time.

My question was tax related. During this conversation Mike Evans (customer service) once again told me your investment of $6,400.00 is 100% tax deductible and you're going to get the entire amount back in your income tax return.

Now that he has told me the exact same thing for the second time, the program was beginning to sound really strange to me. Although I admit I felt a little relieved and comfortable knowing that my investment was protected.

He also said that the company was going to take care of the preparation of my income tax return and that I had nothing to worry about.

Even though I felt as though either Mike Evans (customer service) was misinformed or I was once again being misled and or misinformed, I felt as though I he deserves a fair chance to gather any necessary information.

Mike Evans (customer service) and I had a perfectly clear understanding about the time and date in which I was going to call, because as I have told him numerous times before, I have no time to waste playing phone tag with him or anyone else.

And you would think that by me investing $6,400.00 dollars, I wouldn't have to. So I called the office on Monday November 24, 2003 9:00 a.m. as agreed and guess what? I started getting interrogated again by the woman on the other end.

She asks me in a very unpleasant manner, who would I like to speak to, what's the nature of the call, was Mike Evans (customer service) expecting my call, so on and so on.

Then for no apparent reason we get disconnected. It seemed intentional because when I called back not two-three seconds later I went directly to voicemail.

I continued to call back more than five times after that and repeatedly went directly to voicemail. I kept calling because I wanted to let the woman know that I was intent on getting a live person.

She finally answers the phone as if to say oops. She apologized in a not so sincere manner, she claimed that Mike Evans had attended a meeting and she asked me to leave a message for Mike Adams (customer service) and she'll have him return my call.

The entire day had passed and still not even an attempt has been made to return my call. Before I left to work on Monday November 24, 2003 @ 2:30 p.m. Hawaii time, I called again and repeatedly went directly to voice mail.

Needless to say I was furious for getting stood up for the third time and continued to call the office numerous times until it was time for me to leave for work. I never heard from Mike Evans (customer service) since.

Not even an attempt has been made to return my call. Three days have passed so far and still nothing. There is nothing I hate more than to be given the run around.

My skepticism has slowly evolved into disenchantment and distrust, mainly because of all the broken promises, irresponsibility and rude and unaccountable treatment by customer service.

If Mike Evans (customer service) is not trying to avoid me in anyway and is certain that I will receive the entire $6,400.00 back on my income tax return, then he should have absolutely no problem with my disputing the charge.

I have no time to waste working with salespeople who claim to be interested in peoples success, but is really only interested in making money for themselves.

Until now, Mike Evans (customer service) has been very unaccountable, distrusting, and elusive. It seems rather unusual that I had no problem getting a hold of Mike Evans (customer service) prior to my investing $6,400.00 into the program.

I am very disenchanted that the services that had been agreed upon was greatly insufficient, unsatisfactory and had not been rendered promptly and efficiently.

I am also very disappointed about being treated like a second rate citizen by the staff in customer service. I am really not a hard person to please, and I never broke an agreement in my life.

But as I told Mike Evans (customer service) and many other businessmen, I've been scammed far too many times before but still I am dead serious about making it in their program, as long as I don't get jerked around and played like a tune.

I really don't appreciate getting the run around. Now that I am disputing the charge, I would feel way too uncomfortable to do business with Jeff (coach) and Mike Evans (customer service).

I think there is going to be animosity between us. And about me receiving my entire investment back in full during tax season? I am going to need that in writing in order to feel comfortable doing business with these two individuals.

In conclusion I would like to say that the information that I received was not even close to what had been agreed upon. The information up to this point was very insufficient and unsatisfactory.

The infomercial along with what is said over the phone during the sale of this program, is blatantly misleading and in some ways deceptive. But what I am most disappointed in is, being treated the way I have been by customer service.

All that I am waiting on now is a call back with an explanation from Mike Evans (customer service) exactly what is meant by your investment of $6,400,00 is 100% tax deductible and you're going to get the entire amount back in your income tax return.

I would also like to know why all of a sudden he is getting more and more difficult to get a hold of. An apology would be greatly appreciated at this time along with an explanation as to why my calls are always being avoided and or never returned.

I think future disputes can be avoided if everything that customer service says while trying to sell the program is put into writing. I have received duplicate contracts with this company but had been instructed to sign it and send it back to them.

No attempt has been made to send me copies of contract(s). Thank you very much for taking the time to read this very long letter. Your time and patients is greatly appreciated. Please contact me at _______if you need more information.



Sincerely,

Reid _______


P.S. Enclosed are copies of the welcome letters that I have received. So far these are the only documents that have been sent to me for my records. I have received no contracts for my own personal records. The staff at customer service is really difficult to get a hold of and if by chance you do get a hold of someone, all you get is the run around.

P.S.S. Also enclosed is some information that I gathered about people who share similarly unpleasant experiences with me.
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I hope you enjoyed reading my letter Abul, and was able to get some ideas. I will post more of my "real life" letters again real soon.

F%ck you Mike Evans! I'm still waiting for those letters, that you promised you'd send me regarding your lawsuit against me.

You remember, when you threatened to sue me for merely exercising my right as a consumer to dispute quality of services? F%ck you, you product of incest! What the f%ck are you waiting for?

Are you afraid, that I'll rip your scam wide open and expose it for the world to see? Are you worried, that the many other scam artists claiming to be selling legitimate "mentoring" will be mad at you? LOL. You owe me $9.8 million by the way.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. I want my $9.8 million!

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Believe me when I say, this fraudulent company has violated a lot more, than the FTC's guidelines regarding recorded phone conversations. Their entire operation and their materials are all tied in to one big scam.

Alway's remember, that there are absolutely no agencies in place, that protects consumers from scams, although many agencies want consumers to believe, that their primary objective is to do so.

The agencies that are in the position of "consumer protection", are way too after the fact, therefore, we as consumers must continue to look out for one another. That may be the reason why my postings may seem a bit redundant at times.

As I said before, legitimate companies use legal contracts. Legitimate businesses definitely do not record agreements as contracts, for recorded agreements hold very little water without pertinent documentation to back them up.

Legitimate businesses are aware of the fact, that recorded agreements are nothing but a waste of time. Fraudulent businesses on the other hand, choose to use recorded agreements in attempt to trap people into credit card schemes.

John Beck and his band of genetic imbreeds are aware of this fact, but recording agreements are imperative and very crucial step in "mentoring" scams.

1. I viewed the deceptive, misleading, outdated, and flat out fraudulent Infomercial (several times).

2. Phoned the company and placed an order the very next day. I even payed for rush delivery. I had been told to expect delivery within two-three days.

3. My f%ck!ng package took over two weeks and several phone calls, before it finally arrived at my doorstep. Of course, they couldn't refund me for the rush delivery which I've already paid for.

Had I decided to review the materials and return it for a refund, my money back guarantee would more than likely have expired, before I had a chance to do so.

4. I opened the box to review the contents. Inside the box contained a few cds and a few very thin books, that resembled cheap children's coloring books printed in China.

The box also contained an envelope, which included a welcome letter and instructions for me to phone a toll free number, when I was ready to get started on the Free and Clear program.

5. Like a dummy, I phoned the company within a few days after receiving the John Beck crap and as you know, the rest is history.

I'll be back very soon to post my entire experience, or the letter, which I've sent to my credit card company (contains entire story in detail). My dispute letter will demonstrate the scam in full detail.

It will also demonstrate how the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute attempted to use my recorded agreement against me.

Until next time, take care cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Believe me when I say, this fraudulent company has violated a lot more, than the FTC's guidelines regarding recorded phone conversations. Their entire operation and their materials are all tied in to one big scam.

Alway's remember, that there are absolutely no agencies in place, that protects consumers from scams, although many agencies want consumers to believe, that their primary objective is to do so.

The agencies that are in the position of "consumer protection", are way too after the fact, therefore, we as consumers must continue to look out for one another. That may be the reason why my postings may seem a bit redundant at times.

As I said before, legitimate companies use legal contracts. Legitimate businesses definitely do not record agreements as contracts, for recorded agreements hold very little water without pertinent documentation to back them up.

Legitimate businesses are aware of the fact, that recorded agreements are nothing but a waste of time. Fraudulent businesses on the other hand, choose to use recorded agreements in attempt to trap people into credit card schemes.

John Beck and his band of genetic imbreeds are aware of this fact, but recording agreements are imperative and very crucial step in "mentoring" scams.

1. I viewed the deceptive, misleading, outdated, and flat out fraudulent Infomercial (several times).

2. Phoned the company and placed an order the very next day. I even payed for rush delivery. I had been told to expect delivery within two-three days.

3. My f%ck!ng package took over two weeks and several phone calls, before it finally arrived at my doorstep. Of course, they couldn't refund me for the rush delivery which I've already paid for.

Had I decided to review the materials and return it for a refund, my money back guarantee would more than likely have expired, before I had a chance to do so.

4. I opened the box to review the contents. Inside the box contained a few cds and a few very thin books, that resembled cheap children's coloring books printed in China.

The box also contained an envelope, which included a welcome letter and instructions for me to phone a toll free number, when I was ready to get started on the Free and Clear program.

5. Like a dummy, I phoned the company within a few days after receiving the John Beck crap and as you know, the rest is history.

I'll be back very soon to post my entire experience, or the letter, which I've sent to my credit card company (contains entire story in detail). My dispute letter will demonstrate the scam in full detail.

It will also demonstrate how the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute attempted to use my recorded agreement against me.

Until next time, take care cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Believe me when I say, this fraudulent company has violated a lot more, than the FTC's guidelines regarding recorded phone conversations. Their entire operation and their materials are all tied in to one big scam.

Alway's remember, that there are absolutely no agencies in place, that protects consumers from scams, although many agencies want consumers to believe, that their primary objective is to do so.

The agencies that are in the position of "consumer protection", are way too after the fact, therefore, we as consumers must continue to look out for one another. That may be the reason why my postings may seem a bit redundant at times.

As I said before, legitimate companies use legal contracts. Legitimate businesses definitely do not record agreements as contracts, for recorded agreements hold very little water without pertinent documentation to back them up.

Legitimate businesses are aware of the fact, that recorded agreements are nothing but a waste of time. Fraudulent businesses on the other hand, choose to use recorded agreements in attempt to trap people into credit card schemes.

John Beck and his band of genetic imbreeds are aware of this fact, but recording agreements are imperative and very crucial step in "mentoring" scams.

1. I viewed the deceptive, misleading, outdated, and flat out fraudulent Infomercial (several times).

2. Phoned the company and placed an order the very next day. I even payed for rush delivery. I had been told to expect delivery within two-three days.

3. My f%ck!ng package took over two weeks and several phone calls, before it finally arrived at my doorstep. Of course, they couldn't refund me for the rush delivery which I've already paid for.

Had I decided to review the materials and return it for a refund, my money back guarantee would more than likely have expired, before I had a chance to do so.

4. I opened the box to review the contents. Inside the box contained a few cds and a few very thin books, that resembled cheap children's coloring books printed in China.

The box also contained an envelope, which included a welcome letter and instructions for me to phone a toll free number, when I was ready to get started on the Free and Clear program.

5. Like a dummy, I phoned the company within a few days after receiving the John Beck crap and as you know, the rest is history.

I'll be back very soon to post my entire experience, or the letter, which I've sent to my credit card company (contains entire story in detail). My dispute letter will demonstrate the scam in full detail.

It will also demonstrate how the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute attempted to use my recorded agreement against me.

Until next time, take care cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Believe me when I say, this fraudulent company has violated a lot more, than the FTC's guidelines regarding recorded phone conversations. Their entire operation and their materials are all tied in to one big scam.

Alway's remember, that there are absolutely no agencies in place, that protects consumers from scams, although many agencies want consumers to believe, that their primary objective is to do so.

The agencies that are in the position of "consumer protection", are way too after the fact, therefore, we as consumers must continue to look out for one another. That may be the reason why my postings may seem a bit redundant at times.

As I said before, legitimate companies use legal contracts. Legitimate businesses definitely do not record agreements as contracts, for recorded agreements hold very little water without pertinent documentation to back them up.

Legitimate businesses are aware of the fact, that recorded agreements are nothing but a waste of time. Fraudulent businesses on the other hand, choose to use recorded agreements in attempt to trap people into credit card schemes.

John Beck and his band of genetic imbreeds are aware of this fact, but recording agreements are imperative and very crucial step in "mentoring" scams.

1. I viewed the deceptive, misleading, outdated, and flat out fraudulent Infomercial (several times).

2. Phoned the company and placed an order the very next day. I even payed for rush delivery. I had been told to expect delivery within two-three days.

3. My f%ck!ng package took over two weeks and several phone calls, before it finally arrived at my doorstep. Of course, they couldn't refund me for the rush delivery which I've already paid for.

Had I decided to review the materials and return it for a refund, my money back guarantee would more than likely have expired, before I had a chance to do so.

4. I opened the box to review the contents. Inside the box contained a few cds and a few very thin books, that resembled cheap children's coloring books printed in China.

The box also contained an envelope, which included a welcome letter and instructions for me to phone a toll free number, when I was ready to get started on the Free and Clear program.

5. Like a dummy, I phoned the company within a few days after receiving the John Beck crap and as you know, the rest is history.

I'll be back very soon to post my entire experience, or the letter, which I've sent to my credit card company (contains entire story in detail). My dispute letter will demonstrate the scam in full detail.

It will also demonstrate how the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute attempted to use my recorded agreement against me.

Until next time, take care cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hello there Reid and every one! I have a good news. The JB crooks' telemarketing practice is in violation of FTC's Telemarketing Sales Rules.

Here is an excerpt from FTC's website regarding TSR:

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New provisions to restrict unauthorized billing
The amended TSR includes new provisions to restrict unauthorized billing:

The amended Rule expands the requirement that a seller or telemarketer obtain a consumer's express verifiable authorization to be billed, to cover any payment method that does not already afford the consumer the liability limits and dispute resolution protections of the Fair Credit Billing Act or the Electronic Funds Transfer Act.

When the written confirmation method of obtaining express verifiable authorization is used, the confirmation must be sent, via first class mail, in an envelope clearly labeled as a confirmation. The written confirmation method is not allowed when a seller or telemarketer possesses pre-acquired account information and offers the goods or services on a free-to-pay conversion basis - that is, when the consumer is allowed to try out the goods or services for free for a limited time and then be charged automatically.

When the oral authorization method of express verifiable authorization is used, two additional pieces of information must be provided to the customer or donor: the billing information, in specific, understandable terms so the customer knows he will be billed; and the date the charge will be submitted for payment.

Telemarketers are not allowed to traffic in unencrypted consumer account numbers for telemarketing. You may not buy or sell unencrypted consumer account numbers.

Telemarketers must obtain the consumer's "express informed consent" before submitting a charge for payment. The new TSR specifies that unauthorized billing is an abusive practice.

In transactions involving pre-acquired account information and free-to-pay conversion offers, a company can obtain "express informed consent" only by doing all three of the following: 1) obtaining the con-sumer's express agreement to be charged using a particular account number; 2) re-quiring the consumer to recite at least the last four digits of the account number to be charged; 3) making an audio recording of the entire telemarketing transaction not just a verification after the initial sales pitch.
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In my situation, the JB crooks blatantly violated these rules. First, they obtained my credit card numbers and charged the credit cards without audio recording my express consent to charge and then came back to me and told me that they charged the money on my three credit cards and then recorded the the final consent. Second, they did not require me to repeat the last 4 digits of my credit card numbers during the final recording process. Third, they did not record the entire telemarketing conversation but just the verification after the initial sales pitch. Fourth, never duirng the initial sales pitch they mentioned that the transaction is non-refundable but only during the tape recording process.

For everyone who has got scammed by JB Crook's & company and who are thinking of lodging credit card disputes using the "quality of service" argument you should also let your credit card know the above mentioned point of violating FTC's TSR rules.

I am gonna get these guys and so can you. Reid,
after I win my credit card disputes, I am very interested in working with you and other victims of JB Crooks & Co to file a class action lawsuit. Let's get these crooks. And they are going to pay for it big time.

Hey there Abul,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Yes, you should definitely dispute the "quality" of John Beck's fraudulent services. Like I mentioned several times before, in several different posts, Credit card companies have a tendency to "sugar coat" matters.

They purposefully down play the severity of complaints and disputes and "sugar coat" them, so that they're able (have an excuse) to further allow charges to go through to fraudulent companies, such as John Beck's and the many other bogus companies offering dodo "mentoring".

I suggest, that you just play along with your credit card company's games, and dispute the charges according to their instructions. Can't claim fraud, because you already authorized a fraudulent charge? F%CK!NG PREPOSTEROUS!!

Fraud takes on many different forms! Why can't incompetant credit card companies comprehend this! John Beck and his $h!t for programs are fraudulent!

Fraud is fraud! It doesn't matter whether or not someone agrees to enroll into a fraudulent program! It doesn't change the fact, that John Becks program's are fraudulent!

Why the f%ck do credit card companies keep pretending to be interested in consumer fraud protection?

I apologize Abul, I was just venting. Anyways, you should dispute the charge according to your credit card company's instructions and "just play the game". The "aiding and abetting" in fraudulent activities game.

Although credit card companies keep advertising consumer fraud protection on their commercials, keep in mind, that they're not. Never have been, possibly never will be.

After you've successfully won your dispute, which I'm confident you will, the two of us can put our minds together, and figure out what to do next.

Until next time, Take care abul cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Reid:

Thank you for responding to my posting yesterday. I have already got Citibank to close down my accounts and send me a security affidavit.

But talking to Visa is going to be problematic. I am talking to their dispute department tomorrow morning. Can you advise me how I can get my message accross to them?

The point Visa is making is that I gave my Credit card numbers to the JB crooks and I cannot cliam fraud. But I want to claim fruad based on the findings that they wanted to charge $13,000 on my account and got only approval for $3985.

Should I claim fraud at all or not or just make a quality of service dispute. Please advise, Reid. Thanks.

Hey there Abul along with Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health,

I've just seen the Infomercial regarding the Free and Clear Real Estate System on television tonight for the first time since I've moved into my new residence. It's also the first time since I've been taken by this fraudulent company.

It contained the exact same "success stories", that it has two-three years ago. As a matter of fact, it's the exact friggin Infomercial! Exactly when was the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute planning on making me one of their "success stories"? LOL.

Suggestions to Abul:

Type out your entire experience in full detail, and save a copy of it in the draft section of your email account.

This will make it really easy for you to email many and "copy and paste" wherever and whenever you choose to. Take your time and be very specific in typing out your experience.

Whenever possible, be sure to include all dates, times and most importantly, the names of people involved with the John Beck scam.

Contact as many government and law enforcement agencies you can think of, and send them a copy of your experience, by simply copying and pasting it to their email address.

Some agencies include, but are not limited to, the FBI, Consumer Protection, FTC, etc, etc. Filing with law enforcement agencies do not require multiple contacts.

It may require multiple contacts and emails to draw some interest and possibly strike an interest with deceptive trade attornies and the media however. I'm guessing about once every two-three weeks would suffice.

If you own a digital camera, or some other means of capturing images of the fraudulent infomercial to display, by attaching them to your submissions, it would definitely add tremendous credibility to your reports.

Let's start posting photographic images of the fraudulent Infomercial for the entire world to see. Let's also start posting photos of all, that are involved with the promotion of this scam.

Digital camera anyone? Can anyone suggest the best way to capture the clearest images possible? Thank you in advance, for any and all suggestions.

Submitting clear digital images of the Infomercial to be affixed to your reports, may possibly work to your advantage, for the Infomercial by itself, contains many discrepencies and is very misleading to say the least.

Until next time, take care Abul along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Abul along with Everyone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health,

I've just seen the Infomercial regarding the Free and Clear Real Estate System on television tonight for the first time since I've moved into my new residence. It's also the first time since I've been taken by this fraudulent company.

It contained the exact same "success stories", that it has two-three years ago. As a matter of fact, it's the exact friggin Infomercial! Exactly when was the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute planning on making me one of their "success stories"? LOL.

Suggestions to Abul:

Type out your entire experience in full detail, and save a copy of it in the draft section of your email account.

This will make it really easy for you to email many and "copy and paste" wherever and whenever you choose to. Take your time and be very specific in typing out your experience.

Whenever possible, be sure to include all dates, times and most importantly, the names of people involved with the John Beck scam.

Contact as many government and law enforcement agencies you can think of, and send them a copy of your experience, by simply copying and pasting it to their email address.

Some agencies include, but are not limited to, the FBI, Consumer Protection, FTC, etc, etc. Filing with law enforcement agencies do not require multiple contacts.

It may require multiple contacts and emails to draw some interest and possibly strike an interest with deceptive trade attornies and the media however. I'm guessing about once every two-three weeks would suffice.

If you own a digital camera, or some other means of capturing images of the fraudulent infomercial to display, by attaching them to your submissions, it would definitely add tremendous credibility to your reports.

Let's start posting photographic images of the fraudulent Infomercial for the entire world to see. Let's also start posting photos of all, that are involved with the promotion of this scam.

Digital camera anyone? Can anyone suggest the best way to capture the clearest images possible? Thank you in advance, for any and all suggestions.

Submitting clear digital images of the Infomercial to be affixed to your reports, may possibly work to your advantage, for the Infomercial by itself, contains many discrepencies and is very misleading to say the least.

Until next time, take care Abul along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

00Hi Reid:

Thank you very much for responding to my earlier posting. I have already talked to my credit card companies regarding the charges. I have asked two of them two close my accounts and give me a security affidavait forms to report these incident, which will serve as my dispute. But one of the credit cards companies (VISA) on which the JB crooks have charged $3,985 dollars, have told me that I can not claim these charges as fraud since I have given my authorization. However, they told me I can dispute these charges. I can talk to the dispute department on Monday.

I think I can claim fraud here regardless if I gave them my authorization or not. This is because these Scumbags tried to charge $13,000 on this account for which they had not received any authorization. But they got approval for $3,985 instead. This alone can be used as grounds for fraud. I have already made clear to the other two credit cards companies that I will not pay these amounts and am disputing the charges.

Do you think I can argue along these lines with Visa? Please suggest.

Also, can you suggest any other steps I should take to strengthen my case?

I am scheduled to begin coaching on Wednesday depending I return the agreement that they have sent me on time. Knowing what I know now, I will not avail these coaching sessions and will return all the materials that I recieve from the JB crooks unopened and unsigned.

How do I contact NBC News Dateline or 60 Minutes about this? I believe we have a very good case against the JB Crooks. And the public has a right to know of what's going on.

Also please suggest anything that you think will be helpful.

I want to get these guys big time, not just for refunds but to put an end to all of what they are doing to people like you, myself and many others. I am disgusted as these guys are getting off Scotts free with the government doing nothing about it.

I have a very good feeling that I will win my case it may take long but I will. I want to take these guys for a ride then. Let's see who is the last guy standing then. I hate dishonesty, and malpractice. This is intolerable. That's all for now

Hey there Abul,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

If you have not yet scheduled any coaching sessions, I strongly suggest that you DO NOT! By doing so, you will only make disputing the transaction much more difficult for yourself.

Credit card companies enjoy using the claim "we are on your side", but nothing could be further from the truth.

If credit card companies were in fact on the "consumers side", they would not continue to allow charges to go through to companies, that have already been proven a scam so many times.

Credit card companies are in fact, aiding and abetting (by definition) in fraudulent activities, by constantly allowing charges to go through to businesses, that they already know are "bad merchants".

Immediately phone your credit card's dispute department to dispute the charges. The sooner the better!

If you're a spear headed person like myself, notify your credit card company, that you will not be held responsible for making payments on charges, that you have discovered were fraudulent through thorough research.

Also notify your credit card company, that the ball is entirely in their court, for you've already done your part, by warning them of your interest in cancelling the charges.

The choice of whether or not, they give the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Intitute "their money", is ultimately their decision, and you will not be held responsible for any of their decisions.

Before you start to stress Abul, always remember, that John Beck and the rest of his wienee's have not received a single penny from you yet.

The EDitor of this site has posted suggestions on how to get a refund. I would strongly suggest, that you follow his instructions to the T. Ed is very knowledgeable regarding advocacy, and that is why many fraudsters, often find his awesome creation a threat to their scam.

Remember Abul, that you're definitely not alone! If you are seriously interested in a class action lawsuit, I'm all for it, but for now you need to focus on the task at hand... and that is to dispute the charges immediately.

After you have gotten all of your money back, we can all pursue the biggest class action lawsuit in the hisory of mankind.

Either that, or watch the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute, and the many like it, fold under the extreme pressure, that we continue to place on them.

Until next time, take care Abul my friend cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. Do keep in touch the rebuttal box and be sure to give everyone the play by play. You need not worry about any shill activities, because as we all know, it's far to late for that. LOL

Hey there Abul,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

If you have not yet scheduled any coaching sessions, I strongly suggest that you DO NOT! By doing so, you will only make disputing the transaction much more difficult for yourself.

Credit card companies enjoy using the claim "we are on your side", but nothing could be further from the truth.

If credit card companies were in fact on the "consumers side", they would not continue to allow charges to go through to companies, that have already been proven a scam so many times.

Credit card companies are in fact, aiding and abetting (by definition) in fraudulent activities, by constantly allowing charges to go through to businesses, that they already know are "bad merchants".

Immediately phone your credit card's dispute department to dispute the charges. The sooner the better!

If you're a spear headed person like myself, notify your credit card company, that you will not be held responsible for making payments on charges, that you have discovered were fraudulent through thorough research.

Also notify your credit card company, that the ball is entirely in their court, for you've already done your part, by warning them of your interest in cancelling the charges.

The choice of whether or not, they give the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Intitute "their money", is ultimately their decision, and you will not be held responsible for any of their decisions.

Before you start to stress Abul, always remember, that John Beck and the rest of his wienee's have not received a single penny from you yet.

The EDitor of this site has posted suggestions on how to get a refund. I would strongly suggest, that you follow his instructions to the T. Ed is very knowledgeable regarding advocacy, and that is why many fraudsters, often find his awesome creation a threat to their scam.

Remember Abul, that you're definitely not alone! If you are seriously interested in a class action lawsuit, I'm all for it, but for now you need to focus on the task at hand... and that is to dispute the charges immediately.

After you have gotten all of your money back, we can all pursue the biggest class action lawsuit in the hisory of mankind.

Either that, or watch the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute, and the many like it, fold under the extreme pressure, that we continue to place on them.

Until next time, take care Abul my friend cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. Do keep in touch the rebuttal box and be sure to give everyone the play by play. You need not worry about any shill activities, because as we all know, it's far to late for that. LOL

Hey there Abul,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

If you have not yet scheduled any coaching sessions, I strongly suggest that you DO NOT! By doing so, you will only make disputing the transaction much more difficult for yourself.

Credit card companies enjoy using the claim "we are on your side", but nothing could be further from the truth.

If credit card companies were in fact on the "consumers side", they would not continue to allow charges to go through to companies, that have already been proven a scam so many times.

Credit card companies are in fact, aiding and abetting (by definition) in fraudulent activities, by constantly allowing charges to go through to businesses, that they already know are "bad merchants".

Immediately phone your credit card's dispute department to dispute the charges. The sooner the better!

If you're a spear headed person like myself, notify your credit card company, that you will not be held responsible for making payments on charges, that you have discovered were fraudulent through thorough research.

Also notify your credit card company, that the ball is entirely in their court, for you've already done your part, by warning them of your interest in cancelling the charges.

The choice of whether or not, they give the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Intitute "their money", is ultimately their decision, and you will not be held responsible for any of their decisions.

Before you start to stress Abul, always remember, that John Beck and the rest of his wienee's have not received a single penny from you yet.

The EDitor of this site has posted suggestions on how to get a refund. I would strongly suggest, that you follow his instructions to the T. Ed is very knowledgeable regarding advocacy, and that is why many fraudsters, often find his awesome creation a threat to their scam.

Remember Abul, that you're definitely not alone! If you are seriously interested in a class action lawsuit, I'm all for it, but for now you need to focus on the task at hand... and that is to dispute the charges immediately.

After you have gotten all of your money back, we can all pursue the biggest class action lawsuit in the hisory of mankind.

Either that, or watch the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute, and the many like it, fold under the extreme pressure, that we continue to place on them.

Until next time, take care Abul my friend cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. Do keep in touch the rebuttal box and be sure to give everyone the play by play. You need not worry about any shill activities, because as we all know, it's far to late for that. LOL