JUDGE BARBARA SWINTON ripoff gave grandparents rights to unfit granparents they have crimanal records OKLAHOMA CITY Oklahoma
Judge Barbara Swinton, gave visiataion right to unfit granparents. The natural grandmother has a crimanl record and so does the step grandfather. They filed for visitation right before district judge when we were adopting our grandaughter. before the dhs judge. They sued the natural mother and dhs. our name was never on the list. nor were we ever notified of the action. now have we ever seen a court order of any sorts. had to go to parent cordnator, she made a ruling on when they could get her, every other weekend. (that is what a non- custodial parent gets)not granparents.
they live in a one bedroom house that is shambles and when my daughter has to go over there she has to sleep on the couch. they have another grandaughter who just turned 2 and is still sleeping in the same room with them. and they have a teeanger who's bedroom was the dining room. we are her parents it seems though we have no rights as her parents, shouldn't a parent have a right to say who the child sees and who she doesn't see? That is a parents rights. Judge Swinton has never given us an oppurinity to say a thing. She has given the granparents all the rights and we as parents have none.
Paulette
NEWALLA, Oklahoma
U.S.A.
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A.l.b
Fort Loudon,Pennsylvania,
U.S.A.
Grandparents rights, they can be good, in some cases, and horrible in other cases.
#3Consumer Comment
Tue, February 24, 2009
Hello there,
Just to make you aware, alot of states now deem grandparents rights unconstitutional-interfering with the parents rights. I wish this were true in Pennsylvania. In my case, I had a grandmother decieve state officials, after wanting nothing to do with my daughter the first year of her life, she then took her from me, now my understanding is this: If a person decieves, manipulates and lies in order to take a child with no just cause, its kidnapping. I had to start a custody proceeding against her father in order to get her back from her grandmother. Now, when I say there was no just cause for her to take her, I can back it up. During the first custody hearing, grandmother lied about the length of time she had my daughter (took daughter april of '03, put on papers she was given her in september '02). Now with proof that date was false, the date gave her 12 months-the length of time needed to excersize grandparents rights. Now, I had proof, viable evidence that she did not have her that long, the judge, Judge Vanhorn didn't want to hear it, and said "she saw no reason to take the child from her grandmother". It was a long and expensive battle after that. Her and her attny, Steve Kulla, tried everything they could to discredit me. And during the first step of all this, she filed for child support, had me paying almost 150/week, and her son nothing. All my daughter was was a pay check to her. Finally I got visitation, she still wouldnt abide by it, and everytime I got my daughter she would call me stupid, call me by my first name, say she hates me, ect. After grandmother got her D.U.I and the courts finally started to see how horrible she was, and her lies, I got custody of my daughter, but she retained over night visitation. The first day of my custody when she dropped my daughter off, I awaited her arrival with my mother, apon arriving, my daughter looked at me and said "Grammy is going to have you shot and killed, she wants to be my new mommy, she is going to shoot you dead with a gun". We were both shocked. I called the police and filed a police report. Since then, grandmother still don't abide by any of my wishes as a parent, instills into my daughters head that anyone who tells her "no" don't love her, she lets her do and say whatever she wants, flipps out on people who tell my daughter no, in front of her, and it has caused my daughter to have a split mood disorder and anger disorder, and she is now seeing a therapist, and psychologist who both have warned me about grandmothers influence. I got sick of it, and I finally put my foot down. No more is she dictating my life, or my parenting. My kids (notice plural, and she only wants one) are clothed, fed, have everything they need, a nice home, and my daughter out of all three kids is the one with any type of discipline, emotional and anger issues. What does that say? Since I put my foot down and no longer letting her dictate our life, I told her if she can't come to my home without some sort of agenda they stay away, so she obviously can't. She refuses any other type of visitation except overnights, if she is such a grandmother she would take every chance she got. Since I stopped it all, my daughters behavior has improved, she has more love for us, more respect for us, finally getting to know her other grandparents (grammy threw a fit if another grandparent wanted to see her, even not on her scheduled visits) and has been doing great all around. Grammy wishes to destroy that, insisting she get her weekends, after three years of not even going by the court order. I refused, no I have a contempt hearing comming up, and she wishes the court stipulate police involvment if I ever tell her no, sure great, that will do wonders for my daughters state of mental and emotional health, she also wants her present in the court room. All therapist advised against it. Now our tax money, what we were going to use for a better car, and for the kids, have to go to a lawyer. Perfect. This woman has not only done harm to my daughter, my entire family, some of her family, she has put me in panic attacks that required emergency ambulance and hospital visits, and I have never in my life had a panic attack. Why do people do this? This grandmother isnt concerned with my daughters well being, obviously, she is only concerned with getting what she wants and controlling a situation-key point, this was done to her with her oldest son, but in that sinario, it was justified, she gave him up because she wasn't fit. She cant get over her own past so she is trying to make up for it with my daughter, and get revenge on me for what she has done in her own past. Wish the courts would see all of this.
Been There
Westville,New York,
U.S.A.
Confused ..in the middle of a messy court battle concerning my stepson that is quite similar
#3Consumer Comment
Sun, November 28, 2004
I'm a little confused, in the first paragraph you said your grandaughter, second called her your daughtet. Is it the same child? Did you adopt her? The only reason I ask is because if you as a grandparent can adopt, why can't the other grandparents have visitation?
I truly understand what you are going through, as I am in the middle of a messy court battle concerning my stepson that is quite similar to yours. Although I understand your concerns, does the child love these people? Is the grandmothers record in the past? Not all people with criminal pasts are bad people.
I don't know what she did, it could be horrible, but has she ever mistreated the child or any of the children? I am in no way making little of your frustration and love for this child, but, going through the same thing has really taught me alot.
My stepson has a law gaurdian and she helps us to understand how important his relationship with his grandmother is. Me and my husband have to look past our feelings for her, overlook her very horrible mistakes, and listen to what our child says and how he feels.
Your situation may be different than ours, and I'm sure it is. It may be a good idea to look into getting the child a law gaurdian if she doesn't have one ( the judge usually values their opionon greatly!!) and maybe talk to her yourself. Ask her how she feels. If some of this has been done or you feel it is a waste of your time, I am sorry. I just thought a someone in the same situation might be able to help a little bit.
I wish you luck and hope all turns out ok.