Complaint Review: Katina Morrow - Katina Johnson

Wow you're smart. Yes I am 21, that means you all are being schooled by a 21 year old. And just what is your name, and where are you from, since we don't hide behind an alias here? And you apparently don't know anything about I.H.S.A. In these shows, we ride horses that we have never met, and that the host school may not even own. These horses are not all western horsemanship horses, and many haven't done a lot of pattern work in their lives. So that 4th, are you talking about the time where I rode the horse who had never shown before, or the top notch reining horse who was far too speedy for horsemanship, or the time when I was riding through a pattern and the fire alarm went off, spooking the horses? See, you're not too smart. I also have national halter points in Paint Horse, and I have hundreds of ribbons, mostly blue, from my earlier show days.

And for the novice horsemanship, this is my first year showing I.H.S.A. and I am in the 13th division, where as when most people start they are in the 11th, or 12th. The only way you can jump division when you start I.H.S.A. for western classes, is you must have national QUARTER HORSE points, and that is not the breed I showed. So, based on my skill alone, I was allowed to skip the first two divisions, and because of my lack of AQHA points, i can not go any further untill I point up through I.H.S.A. I already have 12 points from only 3 shows, and I did not even show both days at all of them. So before you make a poor attempt to make me seem stupid, check your facts you ignorant fool. And yes, The truman show I rode Fatima, who is the hardest draw, and for the rest of the day, and before that, no one place on her. So actually I did far better than what anyone would think. So excuse yourself, dimwit. Also to add to that, that was the first time I showed in 5 years, and you don't get to warm up before hand. There is also only so much you can do with a laid back coach who is reluctant to give opinions when you ask how are you doing, which is why I am trying to obtain video of my patterns.

I will include a picture of SOME of my ribbons. The first year some were eaten, some have been hoof polished and thrown out, and some were on back order because the show didn't order enough, but alias, we moved before we ever got them.

Also to another comment: FYI I work on a research team at my local medical university, and yes, we research on animals, I help the ensure their lovely lives in a well cared for and regulated environment, and that they are properly fed and watered and have "huts" and toys to enrich their lives. I also have assisted, and was intrusted with ongoing medical care for many horses. I shadowed 2 vets for several years, I skipped school on big vets days, I also have assisted 3 farriers, 1 dentist, and 1 chriporactor. The main vet trusted me to deliver IVs and medications overnight and through out the working day to horses who were very ill. I do not sell aminals incase you can't read. I either keep them untill the die, or have them euthanized if the have had a major accident. I perfer not to keep my animals hopped up on drugs so that I kill their liver, or their digestive functions. My hay is also delivered on site on demand, and I have my hay tested to ensure it's quality, because I know about horseownership without having to look it up on the internet as some do. To go on, I have also ridden on endurance rides, did check ins for other endurance rides, and never had an unsuccessful ride with a poor PNR. My horses I rode we always perfectly fit. I Have worked with 1  all around trainer, 1 showmanship trainer, 1 total horsemanship trainer, 1 western and english pleasure trainer, 1 speed game and racing trainer, 1 dressage trainer, 2 jumping and other 4-H trainers, 1 natural horsemanship trainer, 1 saddleseat and sidesaddle trainer, 4 driving trainers (both single and double hitch), I was offered a job, a house, and moving expenses paid by the trainer Doug Phipps, I have also been offered several internships all over the nation, and I have been offered to show several horses, and on more than one occasion, to get my jockey license and race. I also have studied big name trainers, but not personally worked with them. Besides trainers, I also have worked with reiners and more ranch-horse-type people than I can count. I also have trained several horses, one of which took top 5 in state level paint horse western pleasure, with it being only her 7th ride ever. I do most of my training from the ground. Another horse I trained won her very first class at a show in her state's capital. I also have gotten 4th out of 188 in a trail class, even though my horse, as many others, got caught in a poorly constructed obstacle. I think I have made my point, but then again the people who read these things......

So who else has something to say? Because you don't have to be a an a-class showman to be a good rider, and I think most people are aware of how different it is when you go into a show ring.

I get bored easily with broken records and I think we have efficetively distroyed the purpose of this report. I didn't even read the last update fully because it's just the same misguided thoughts stated over and over and over. Sorry I mispoke about M's location, all these novice horse owners blur together with their misguided and sheltered thoughts, and it's hard to distinguish one from another.

Do yourself a favor and go get an education, and start with Intro to Equine Science, that should teach you loads more than you already know about horses.

I will check in from time to time maybe to see how you are doing talking to, about, and with your inner child.

Oh, and EPM can only be confirmed by testing the spinal fluid. aka. spinal tap.

:D

In essence, it is wonderful that Tracy continues to make attempts to pick things apart, because it shows the true character and mentality and maturity.

Tracy, (Yes my name is Michelle Powell, and Powell is my last name, and sorry, I am not from Clinton IL...maybe you need to read again...., and the second repetitive post was due to my computer having a problem and it did not look as though the first one posted, and did not show up, therefore I created a new one,) People making claims, use real names in this type of venue such as KMorrow) my dear, buying an animal from someone making warranty covers all the bases. And I think most individuals can figure out the horse was diagnosed immediately March aquisition to April diagnosis, as the usage of immediately applies to a newly purchased horse being diagnosed. You can interpret it how you desire. Consumer laws recongize the usage as immediate on newly purchased property.

My dear lady, I do not use three vets randomly. I have one I use consistently. Have you never heard of seeking additional opinions on a diagnosis?  It seems to bother you for some reason.... not sure why you want to downplay second and third opinions of persons who have decades of experience.  Furthermore, I do not engage in the sale or trade of selling horses. My point being funneled to if a horse seller in the trade uses more than one vet and claims to use only one for their horses, discerning the veterinary history of the animal is hindered.

RE: bringing the horse into the world from her stud Bay Boy's Raven. I'm unsure why you choose to "spin" that topic to isolating the stud and what my personal beliefs are...when you tack on your own desire for what you would like for my personal beliefs to be....I was using factual reference for the name she provided and the fact that the dam mare was a grade mare. Sorry to disappoint you, but I do not beleive the stud is the only contributing factor. The point, is, if KMorrow is in the business and offers breeding services, and is supposed to be a person who knows so much about horses and breeding, then this is her responsibility to recognize a fault in breeding and be more cautious about offering such animals for sale. After all, she is VERY knowledgable, correct?

You cannot assert fault on me for buying an animal that Katina warranted was sound and never had a problem with the pigeon toed leg. By making the statement you just did, you do not realize you just validated offering a horse for sale with problems.

RE: Comments: As for hay storage, its none of your business how other peoples hay is stored. If it were contaminated, then the horses wouldnt be alive, or they would be obviously sick.

Again, most people including vets want to see the horse's food for clues to condition. And sorry to disappoint, but there is such a thing as "good hay" and "bad hay". While you are in the process of looking things up on the internet, check into it... Articles even exist where it is suggested that buyers look for such details. Really? I don't know enough about horses to tell they are sick until on the ground? You've just proven your mentality dear lady, I love it!

RE: If indeed the pony came after the horse, as you claim, then it would be the pony causing problems with the horse. This is not like which came first? The chicken or the egg?.  Apparently for you, horses are just mere pieces of property, and should be tossed aside as such.

Really? I'm speechless....dear lady, the horse was not receptive to the pony who was scared of the horse.  Can you please explain further how you know such facts to be true? I'm interested to see how you know that to be true material fact? Would you like to see home video? Would you like to speak to witnesses who viewed the scenario? And FYI I've had horses for plenty of years and have had a Morgan horse for 19 years solid. If you want to discuss horses as being pieces of property that you can toss aside....be consistent with your rhetoric and thought.....extend that to a person who consistently sells horses (property) to make money.

RE: "Once again with EPM, diagnosis can only be confirmed via spinal tap (which is very expensive) and not through a blood test. I will continue to say this until it finally gets beaten through your thick skull and absorbed into your brain or until you stop showing your lack of knowledge on this subject. And also, do you find it amusing to torture an animal with blatant neurological signs by sending it to someone else? A truly responsible horse owner would have euthanized an animal like that, instead of torturing it by allowing it to live in such a state."

Dear lady, EPM diagnosis was done in that correct fashion to properly diagnose. I have the files and records. And for your information, EPM meds did help the mare, however the expense and ongoing treatment of the pastern combined was damaging. It is not your position to state whether or not an animal needs euthanasia when you did not see the animal. For your information, I was seeking persons able to help the poor animal because treatment existed that I could not afford.

A little bio on 21 Year old Tracy Casperson aka mrsmommady

At a recent horse show held at Truman State University in MO on Sunday, September 27, 2009:

Novice Horsemanship
Kate Miluski - 3rd
Tracy Casperson - 4th
Krystin Schupp - 5th

WOW YOU CAME IN 4TH IN THE NOVICE HORSEMANSHIP DIVISION? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This says it all

Mrsmommalady sure has a lot to say on all of the other complaints against Katina Morrow on this Rip Off Report site. Katina Morrow and mrsmommalady are nasty people who probably live from hand to mouth every day. Neither of them probably hold down a job with the exception of selling animals for profit. They are the type of people who never get far in life and give the term "loser" an entire new meaning. To attack people who actually have valid complaints does not help Katina Morrow's animal selling business. I hope MPowell sues Katina Morrow's a*s off in court.

I will post this email from Katina Johnson Newbold Morrow again:

Here is one of around 40 or so letters that Katina sent to a friend of mine pretending to be interested in a mare that she had for sale. The mare has had a white mark / scar in one of her eyes for about 10 years and Katina never had a vet look at it. Animals can't talk, so how does she know if that white mark in her eye is an imbedded pricker? Why not pay a Vet $100 maximum to come and look at it before putting it up for sale? She truly does believe she knows as much as a Vet and that is why she sells sick horses. A true horse person would pay a licensed Veterinarian to not only adminster their vaccinations once a year but give them a wellness examination at the same time and dental work. The same as we do our dogs and cats when they are due for their yearly vaccinations. Read and enjoy if you can seeing as how she can't spell. Our emails should certainly help out with any lawsuit against Katina Morrow.

From: Swede <swedeqh@bright.net>
Subject: Re: Horsetopia Inquiry, horse #406413
To: "CAS
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 8:07 AM

Its never bugged the mare eye. she had before I got her..that lady had a vet look at it. I couldn't tell you what vet. but it did come with paper work years ago.. at that time they didn't know what it was. I'm sure they will not know what it is now. When it comes to my mares.. I don't need a vet, that is what I went to school for. I give my own shots, worm and before I broke my back I was a full time Ferrier with my dad, now I pay to have it done.. LOL

A person that has been in them for a life time don't need to call in a vet every year.. most the time that person can pick up even when a horse walks a little off  or funny or is just not right.. we read our horses. People that don't know horses cant do that.

I can name people ALL over the USA that know me and respect me, they are not little people..

One of these days I will get a web page put back up.. but it takes time and this time of year I don't have much of that.

I like how you are just repeating yourself again, and how my comments have not shown up... so i'll repeat myself too.

So introductions must be made first. My name is Tracy Casperson, and I do not hide behind an alias as so say. Perhaps you know very little of the internet and know nothing of usernames. Mrsmommalady is a username that I use when creating accounts on the internet, because very rarely is it already taken. So M form Clinton IL (not a fabulous town by the way) what is your name and why are YOU keeping it?

And M, you suffer from not only know-it-all syndrome, but also a serious case of double standards and an extremely thick skull without the ability to absorb information properly.

About the title, yes, facts remain facts, and I supplied many correct facts to help with your misinterpreted ones.

Okay, M, here is a double standard you hold: It is okay for you to use multiple vets, but no one else.

Katina is not responsible for the breeding over a few hundred years deteriorating the quality of horses today. And based by your statement, you still think in the long past ancient ways of believing that only the stud is responsible for the quality of a foal. Is in not true and you need to catch up with the times. But if you knew why the leg was in the condition it was, they why do you act oblivious? Yes, any deviation from ideal conformation will cause additional stress and the faster loss of use of the animal. Or do you not know the basics of conformation? You saw the leg and should have known it would cause problems, and you took the risk anyway. It is your responsibility to take care things you decided for yourself.

As for typos, here is where YOU do not read properly. The issue was not of the time of exercise, I want to know if the symptoms were immediate, as you stated, or if they were several days later when the weather broke and you exercised the animal (also as you stated). There is a profound difference there, and it speaks poorly of YOUR intelligence if you cannot understand that. And yes, you share responsibility of being sold a lame horse because you did not have a vet check, or wait until a better time to view the horse, so you assumed the risk.

As for hay storage, its none of your business how other peoples hay is stored. If it were contaminated, then the horses wouldnt be alive, or they would be obviously sick. But wait a minute, you dont know enough about horses to tell they are sick until they are on the ground. Also, since when has hay been sterile? It grows out of the ground and has dirt all over it, animals walk through those fields and defecate in the all the time, and an unfortunate few get baled into the hay. A horses digestive system doesnt operate until they obtain bacteria from dirt in their cecum.

If indeed the pony came after the horse, as you claim, then it would be the pony causing problems with the horse. This is not like which came first? The chicken or the egg?.  Apparently for you, horses are just mere pieces of property, and should be tossed aside as such.

Once again with EPM, diagnosis can only be confirmed via spinal tap (which is very expensive) and not through a blood test. I will continue to say this until it finally gets beaten through your thick skull and absorbed into your brain or until you stop showing your lack of knowledge on this subject. And also, do you find it amusing to torture an animal with blatant neurological signs by sending it to someone else? A truly responsible horse owner would have euthanized an animal like that, instead of torturing it by allowing it to live in such a state.

As for your stupidity of buying a horse without getting a good feel for it, that is all your fault. You need to grow up and take responsibility for your own actions. Parents are supposed to teach this to their children. Where your parents not there, or did you live a sheltered life? You bought the horse when you felt uneasy about it, its your fault and no one elses. There is another double standard for you, you can make mistakes (even if you do not admit them) and no one else can. To go on, you can be snarky, but no one else can. You can know everything, but no one else can. You are right, so everyone must be wrong. Its okay that you cant comprehend things, but not for anyone else. Its okay that you lie or make false claims, but not for anyone else. Its okay for you to embellish or make contradictory statements, but not for anyone else. You can make typos, but no one else can. You do not have to show your full name, but everyone else must.

On a final note, Im glad you agree with me that this is entertaining. With time you will see that you agree with much more than that.

Happy New Year.

Here is one of around 40 or so emails that Katina sent to a friend pretending to be interested in a mare that she had for sale. The mare had a white mark in one of her eyes for about 10 years and Katina never had a vet look at it. She truly does believe she knows as much as a Vet and that is why she sells sick horses. Read and enjoy if you can seeing as how she can't spell. Our emails should certainly help out with any lawsuit against Katina Morrow.

From: Swede <swedeqh@bright.net>
Subject: Re: Horsetopia Inquiry, horse #406413
To: "CAS
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 8:07 AM

When it comes to my mares.. I don't need a vet, that is what I went to school for. I give my own shots, worm and before I broke my back I was a full time Ferrier with my dad, now I pay to have it done.. LOL

A person that has been in them for a life time don't need to call in a vet every year.. most the time that person can pick up even when a horse walks a little off  or funny or is just not right.. we read our horses. People that don't know horses cant do that.

I can name people ALL over the USA that know me and respect me, they are not little people..

So introductions must be made first. My name is Tracy Casperson, and I do not hide behind an alias as so say. Perhaps you know very little of the internet and know nothing of usernames. Mrsmommalady is a username that I use when creating accounts on the internet, because very rarely is it already taken. So M form Clinton IL (not a fabulous town by the way) what is your name and why are YOU keeping it?

And M, you suffer from not only know-it-all syndrome, but also a serious case of double standards and an extremely thick skull without the ability to absorb information properly.

About the title, yes, facts remain facts, and I supplied many correct facts to help with your misinterpreted ones.

Okay, M, here is a double standard you hold: It is okay for you to use multiple vets, but no one else.

Katina is not responsible for the breeding over a few hundred years deteriorating the quality of horses today. And based by your statement, you still think in the long past ancient ways of believing that only the stud is responsible for the quality of a foal. Is in not true and you need to catch up with the times. But if you knew why the leg was in the condition it was, they why do you act oblivious? Yes, any deviation from ideal conformation will cause additional stress and the faster loss of use of the animal. Or do you not know the basics of conformation? You saw the leg and should have known it would cause problems, and you took the risk anyway. It is your responsibility to take care things you decided for yourself.

As for typos, here is where YOU do not read properly. The issue was not of the time of exercise, I want to know if the symptoms were immediate, as you stated, or if they were several days later when the weather broke and you exercised the animal (also as you stated). There is a profound difference there, and it speaks poorly of YOUR intelligence if you cannot understand that. And yes, you share responsibility of being sold a lame horse because you did not have a vet check, or wait until a better time to view the horse, so you assumed the risk.

As for hay storage, its none of your business how other peoples hay is stored. If it were contaminated, then the horses wouldnt be alive, or they would be obviously sick. But wait a minute, you dont know enough about horses to tell they are sick until they are on the ground. Also, since when has hay been sterile? It grows out of the ground and has dirt all over it, animals walk through those fields and defecate in the all the time, and an unfortunate few get baled into the hay. A horses digestive system doesnt operate until they obtain bacteria from dirt in their cecum.

If indeed the pony came after the horse, as you claim, then it would be the pony causing problems with the horse. This is not like which came first? The chicken or the egg?.  Apparently for you, horses are just mere pieces of property, and should be tossed aside as such.

Once again with EPM, diagnosis can only be confirmed via spinal tap (which is very expensive) and not through a blood test. I will continue to say this until it finally gets beaten through your thick skull and absorbed into your brain or until you stop showing your lack of knowledge on this subject. And also, do you find it amusing to torture an animal with blatant neurological signs by sending it to someone else? A truly responsible horse owner would have euthanized an animal like that, instead of torturing it by allowing it to live in such a state.

As for your stupidity of buying a horse without getting a good feel for it, that is all your fault. You need to grow up and take responsibility for your own actions. Parents are supposed to teach this to their children. Where your parents not there, or did you live a sheltered life? You bought the horse when you felt uneasy about it, its your fault and no one elses. There is another double standard for you, you can make mistakes (even if you do not admit them) and no one else can. To go on, you can be snarky, but no one else can. You can know everything, but no one else can. You are right, so everyone must be wrong. Its okay that you cant comprehend things, but not for anyone else. Its okay that you lie or make false claims, but not for anyone else. Its okay for you to embellish or make contradictory statements, but not for anyone else. You can make typos, but no one else can. You do not have to show your full name, but everyone else must.

On a final note, Im glad you agree with me that this is entertaining. With time you will see that you agree with much more than that.

Happy New Year.

Aside from all of the random interjection of mrsmomma's detached opinion and speculation along with Katina's comments, the core root of the issues remain the same. Katina Morrow sold me a lame horse and documents, emails, and data can easily prove her statements false. Unsure why mrsmommalady chooses to hide behind an alias, somewhat ironic when trying to speak on "credibility". And if time were taken to read details, one would clearly see that some people had not been informed that a format such as ripoff reports existed until recently to warn others.

mrsmommas attempt to reason through issues is nearly impossible since this individual is not directly involved and cannot interject anything but comments based on inaccurate assumptions about underlying facts, and an acute lack of understanding about codified law, in conjunction with the intracacies of veterinary medicine, when the issue is between two parties and I have a plethora of documentation proving Katina's statements false.

Mrsmomma may have tried to portray a different angle, however it seems as though she may not comprehend the implications and effect of how her approach and misguided opinion, and attempts to overrule liscensed veterinary diagnosis, which she tries to make into fact have actually helped paint a more solid structure for each valid complaint.

For example when mrs.m tries to justify why a young horse would have collapsed cartilege, she points out that breeding is horrible today. REALLY? Then mrs.m can blame Katina for that one, because Katina stated that she brought that horse into the world as offspring from her stud, Bay Boy's Raven. Moreover, how a horse is used and cared for has a larger part to play in the breakdown of tissue. Katina clearly stated that they used that horse for extensive trail riding out west and when they rode they rode for hours at a time, and went on to include she had used her with cattle.

In addition, perhaps mrs.m and Katina should look into how the state would recognize her sales, and make sure ALL details of all transactions are fully disclosed, and further understand how transactions are viewed and how express and implied warranty are recognized and how they were in fact given. First and foremost, Katina was using various forms of advertising including the internet to offer services and animals for sale on her property. Just because a sale is on her property does not mean it is private, and may be recognized as a business sale. The fact that she engages in multiple sales and used an electronic venue to offer animals for sale for long periods of time allows the state to recognize her as a vendor in the business of selling horses. Farmers are tax exempt, however Katina's sales have not been isolated to farmers. Sorry to disappoint, but in a horse sale, express and implied warranty are part of each transaction, which extend to protecting the consumer their decision to buy. Katina gave an express warranty that the mare was fit for such purpose as I intended, and falsely represented and warranted that the horse was of such quality and health for my intended purpose. And each time Katina gave a one liner response when confronted with the lameness issue, is also another stated express warranty given that the horse was fine.........Moreso, the receipt is also a contract recognized by law. There is ten years available for a contract to be rescinded. In addition, the tax code also states that " Any individual in the business of breeding for the purpose of selling falls into the category of Animal Production. Accordingly, after an animal is bred for the purpose of selling, title of tangible personal property is transferred.  This consititutes an Ohio taxable sale.  As a result you are required to register as a vendor, collect the proper amount of sales tax, timely file tax returns with payment of tax collected, and maintain complete records of transactions." If Katina is hauling animals for sale out of state, perhaps she should check into a transient  or delivery vendor's liscense.

And no, it is not my fault that I was sold a lame horse that I was responsible enough to see that it needed veterinary intervention. That's what responsible people do...they see to it that their horse gets the care it needs. I had to stop the loss and mitigate my continual maintenance of the horse by finding alternate care for the poor animal. That also is what responsible people do. Mrsmomma tries to commend katina for trying to self vet her horses. Katina's vet is less than 10 minutes from her location, if she is using the one she has claimed she has been using. There's not a need for her to self vet, unless she is stingy with spending money on the health of her horses. Furthermore, unsure how mrs.m has suddenly become qualified to override the diagnosis and analysis of licensed veterinarians on my horse's conditions, including one specialized in equine orthopedics. Diagnosis across the board had veterinarians concurring that the horse's pastern soreness on the pigeon toed leg was due to excessive WEAR AND TEAR OVER TIME...AND HAD BEEN GOING ON FOR A LENGTHY AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE MY PURCHASE TO HAVE BONE AND TISSUE WORN DOWN LIKE IT WAS.....Responsible people seek more than one opinion on serious diagnosis, whether human or animal. Furthermore, I find it more amusing that mrs.m. tries to portray herself as "savvy" while making comments about the horse's EPM condition when three vets also concurred that the degree of the horse's syptoms (also on dated video in correlation with vet assessments) portrayed MID STAGE EPM. It takes quite a long time for a horse to manifest neurological problems such that horse did, from the time EPM is contracted. And discovery of this issue was immediately after the purchase.

More amusing is mrs.m's approach to questioning why anyone would care where Katina stored hay. "Savvy" horse people care about hay storage and horse living conditions because unfavorable hay storage can lead to moldy or contaminated hay which would be detrimental to horse health, as well as living conditions. Such as living outside in all forms of weather with no protection available.  Loved how mrs.m tried to draw a parallel with horses living in wild with no shelter to a domestic horse kept in someone's back lot in Ohio. Difference being, wild horses have the ability to move in groups, huddle, and move to tree lines or different ground levels for protection...horses that are kept in square pens on someone's back lot in all kinds of weather are not afforded the luxuries of a wild horse.

Mrs.m's attempt to discredit the horse's threshold to lameness from a typographical error of 10 minutes to 20 (and as one can see, mrs.m's exchange was not free of typo mistakes either) minutes really sounded more like an act of desperation and nitpicking, when the crux of the issue is that the horse should not have been lame in any amount of time, period. 1 and 2 are in close proximity on keyboards, and futhermore, I think mrs. m has just proven herself officially irrelevant after that one.

And what kind of sense is mrs m. making when she tries to draw a parallel with how things are done at the "local university" and having students do a vet's work? Don't know where this person is from, but you cannot draw the same conculsions for how veterinary medicine is handled everywhere else....Sorry to disappoint, but under penalty of law, only liscensed vets around Ohio are able to perform surgical procedures such as you describe.  I am sure federal law extends to how universities operate and each university has a legal risk department. I guantee you that no respectable university is going to allow for such risk to animals without the proper supervision of a qualified veterinarian. I'm sure that mrs m. doesn't realiize by saying this, she is putting that local university under scrutiny , and I am sure that she also does not realize that making a blanket statement about savvy horse people being able to make a diagnosis without a vet has really painted a clearer picture of her mentality.

To reply to mrs. m's question regarding how I was buying that horse when I was limited to riding in snow drifts....specifically "Why pray tell, did you buy that horse under that kind of inspection? WELL, MRS. M...BECAUSE YOUR WONDERFUL FRIEND KATINA MORROW MADE A WARRANTY THAT THE HORSE WAS SOUND, AND NEVER HAD ANY HEALTH PROBLEMS. SILLY ME....I BELIEVED HER....I think the more prudent question would be...Why, pray tell was Katina Morrow choosing to limit my riding and trying out to only snow drifts?

And mrs. m. states she thinks it's lovely that I would offer to get rid of a mare causing problems with a pony and not allowing it to settle in? if mrs.momma is a momma, and has a mothering bone in her body, she would understand that heck yes, my daughter's feelings for her new pony was a heck of a lot more important than any other horse that may not be a good match for the pony. Furthermore, if mrs. m has such disdain for people's decsions to sell a horse that has been on thieir property a week, then she should at least be consistent with those feelings and extend them to people such as katina who pick up a horse and slap an ad for them on the internet to turn around and sell.

Katina lied again...surprise suprise suprise.... when she recently tried so redeem herself as credible because she said she saw the pony otherwise how would she know? Right...LOL....my barn was Empty when she brought the mare. The pony was to be arriving the following week and guess what...I have the check and receipt and dated home video of the pony being delivered 8 days after the mare. And no, sorry to disappoint but the horse's medical conditions were from no injury sustained on my property, as they were not turned out together. Again, verifiable.

It's really also irrelevant for mrs. m to try to disclaim to mrs. camacho's transaction and the bit story. From what mrs. camacho said...katina agreed to providing a certain other bit or equipment that she promised to send then defaulted on. That is the crux of the issue.

Loved how mrs. m chose to skirt around my prior gelding story and fail to recognize how I clearly laid out the verifiable details of how Katina morphed that story into a spun web of deceit. REALLY? MRS. M? YOU DONT' SEE HOW THERE WERE LIES INVOLVED FROM WHAT I EXPLAINED? Katina stated I said I told a story to her about that gelding and it was sick and lame and its' owners didn't tell me the truth about it and I had to give it away? LOL! I have the emails and correspondence where Katina was trying to look up his bloodlines and have me send photos of him and putting the word out that I had a handsome gelding for sale. That, my dear is called LYING. Again, provable evidence. And especially love the spin that mrs. m tacks on that I sold the horse because I was not comfortable handling....and if you READ it was my husbands horse and did not really like him therefore we sold him. For the record, I've handled and ridden plenty of hot horses and I was the only one who COULD ride him and do anything with him around this place. Loved the attempted spin though...dynamite.

Loved Katina's recent reply also claiming that anyone who has these complaints about the horse dealings should grow up and deal with grown up decisions and that she had been sold bad horses also and never complained. What did she do with them? SELL them? As far as nasty comments,  if facts seem nasty and evidence seems nasty, then that is her doing. Katina should speak well of her enemies, because after all she made them. Everything that she deals with is golden, and she makes no mistakes...right? Pre-transaction and post-transaction behavior of a seller who has remained in the same trade are very telling....in addition, good sellers have every incentive to do the right thing and do good to promote good will and professionalism. Mrs. Morrow by her  examples, may have failed. She never once offered money back to me, only to re-sell the horse. She can verbally say what she wants but Email exchanges prove it, and also prove her lack of professionalism along the way. I too know many horse and animal people who view this as amazing and typical behavior of a seller unloading a horse with problems. There are 20 ways to tell a story but the one that matters is the one that's the truth. Fact remains fact.

Shelley, the more to talk the less credible you become. EVERYTIME you talk you pull up the dying husband card. The scientific facts of life is dead is dead, alive is alive, and we all will die. You, me, the neighbor down the street, we all will die. That is something that should be learned very early. And you should be enjoying your husband while he is still in the alive phase of life, instead of fixating on something that will happen no matter what you do. And really the fact that your husband is dying is irrelevant here. She was not dealing with your husband, she was dealing with you, therefore the accusation of stealing from a dying man is completely false. Simple, I couldnt make the court date could have sufficed. Even so, that is when you send a representative.

Wow, it looks like mrsmommalady and KMorrow suffer from maximus know it all syndrome in conjunction with a slight lack of class. Not bad entertainment.  However, aside from all the messy and random dialogue and poorly organized thoughts, that does not change the fact that I was sold a lame horse that I could not use by Katina Morrow. And while the author mrsmommalady is on the topic of "credibility", ask why mrsmommlady chooses to hide behind an alias.

In addition, perhaps mrsmommlady would like to re-read and use "critical thinking" in my stated facts and the desperate attempts to pick apart details that mrsmomma  is unable to have meaningful comments on, because mrsmomma is not directly involved and does not have access to the actual evidence. Mrsmomma may well have been trying to discredit anyone who may have valid complaints, however it seems it may have totally backfired with the random sputter and misguided half-baked responses. I clearly see that this person thinks they are qualified to overrule veterinarian analysis. Love the way that mrsmomma tries to minimize getting second and third opinions on a horse's condition and looking at the same set of xrays from people who actually went to study veterinary medicine for years, as well as specialized care such as equine orthopedics. Einstein, responsible people do seek additional opinions on primary diagnosis for serious issues whether human or animal. Even physicians will refer to other physicians.  

mrsmomma laid out various funnies to which I cannot help but to correct: she stated the reason the horse would have collapsed cartilege is because breeding today is horrible........well mrsmomma go blame that one on Katina Morrow because she told me she brought that mare into the world from her stud on the property Bay Boy's Raven. In addition, how the mare was used in conjunction with her pigeon toed conformational defect had a larger part to play in how messed up that joint was on that horse. Three vets, including one dealing in specialized equine orthopedics could tell and concur that her issues in that joint were due to excessive and substantial WEAR and TEAR OVER TIME prior to me buying her (WRITTEN IN THE SEPARATE ANALYSIS IN BLACK & WHITE IN MY FILE)and that pigeon toed pastern could only take so much. Einstein, her problems were from no injury by a pony, the nature of the way the inside of that horses cartilege and bones were grinding on each other prove wear and tear over time...again verified by 3 vets.....Katina stated that they used the mare for trail riding out west and when they rode her they rode all over for hours all the time, all over all kinds of terrain and some of her work included working with cattle.

And perhaps reading into how the State of Ohio views retail sales and vendors would be helpful since Katina had a website offering services.Feel free to go check out the Ohio Revised Code and also the Ohio Tax info  and you will find the following "doing business in the state of Ohio as a breeder of domestic animals or pets....any individual in the business of breeding for the purpose of selling falls into the category of Animal Production.  Accordingly after an animal is bred for the purpose of selling, title or possession of tangible personal property is transferred.  This consititutes an Ohio taxable sale. As a result you are required to register as a vendor, collect the proper amount of sales tax, timely file tax returns with payment of tax collected, and maintain complete records of transactions."  The state would view Katina as engaging in a business sale not necessarily a private sale due to the fact that she had been advertising multiple horses and making multiple sales, including using web based advertising and not a private sale therefore, believe it or not warranty does apply. Express and Implied, which consumers do have rights to. Which obviously mrsmomma nor kmorrow comprehend....Katina gave the express warranty of fitness for the horse's intended purpose, and falsely represented and warranted the horse was of such quality and health for my intended purpose.....moreover giving implied warranty that she was sound....and continued to give warranty each time she emailed a one liner after confronting her about the lameness..."she was fine when she left here" is also a form of restating warranty that was in fact breached. Furthermore, in the state of Ohio a receipt is recognized as a contract where consideration was given for tangible property.Consideration being payment from me in exhange for the mare.There is ten years for a contract to be rescinded.

Trying to pick apart a typo of 10 vs 20 minutes (1 and 2 are right next to each other on the keyboard and as one can see by mrsmomma's typing, she's not perfect either) for the horse's time threshold of lameness in riding was clearly an act of desperation, when the core issue is that the horse should not have been lame period...and no, sorry mrsmomma, it is not my fault that I was sold a lame horse that I had responsibility to take care of and recognize she needed veterinary care. I had to mitigate my damages by stopping the continual loss and find alternate care for her. That's what responsible people do.  

if mrsmomma were as savvy as she tries to portray herself, she wouldn't have even questioned about why it should be of no concern where katina's hay is stored. "Savvy" horse people look at the living conditions and food storage conditions for horses because if hay is stored in unfavorable conditions, then chances are, it could be contaminated with mold, feces, etc, and if horses are not provided with adequate living conditions,that can be detrimental to the health of the horse as well, as well as what the horse is living with. And as an aside, you cannot draw a parallel between a wild horse running free and a pen kept horse in your back lot. Wild horses have the opportunity to move about and seek windbreak in tree lines and different terrain. However a horse in someone's back lot, standing up to its knees in mud in a square pen is not afforded that luxury.

Furthermore, mrsmomma's snarky comment for the fact that I would think of getting getting rid of the mare before the pony at the time the mare was causing problems with the pony should definately have her to  be extending  disdain for Katina or any other horse salesperson for bringing a horse on their property and turning around and hauling it off to a buyer. Yes  Lovely...if that's really how she feels she should be consistent. Moreover, the crux of my point being that my little girl's feelings for her new pony were priority.

Oh and the best one...mrs momma needs to re read the part about the prior gelding and she didn't see how katina lied...re read...she stated I said the gelding was lame and sick and I had to give it away....?  LOL! I have the proof that Katina was trying to help me get the gelding sold and was looking up its bloodlines. She lied. Lied Lied.Also love how mrsmomma makes a blanket statement that the horse was too much for me to be comfortable handling...and if you READ...ACTUALLY read...it was my husband's horse and didn't really like him. Believe me, I have handled plenty of hot horses, and as a matter of fact, I was the only one that COULD ride him, because he wouldn't do squat with my husband!

Mrsmomma is now a vet for anyone interested in having decisions made on where their horse may or may not have contracted EPM. Her ramblings are Irrelevant anyways, because the test confirmed mid stage EPM right after I bought her because she was tripping and stumbling in her rear end! Horses with early stages of EPM do not trip and stumble like that mare did. They've had it awhile at the point they start showing blatant neurological signs as she was.

RE: You cannot truly see how a horse moves through snowdrifts......and mrsmomma asking why , pray tell, did you buy the horse under that kind of inspection? BECAUSE KATINA SAID THE HORSE WAS SOUND AND HAD NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE PIGEON TOED LEG. silly me! I believed her! I THINK THE MORE PRUDENT QUESTION WOULD BE WHY WAS KATINA LIMITING THE RIDING AND TRYING OUT TO SNOW DRIFTS?

Looks like Katina is lying AGAIN...suprise suprise,...trying to validate her statement about seeing my pony, otherwise how would she know about it? Well, I don't know how she could have seen the pony when it didn't arrive until after the mare was delivered and Katina never set foot on my property afterwards  Again....all able to be proven by dated home video of the pony being delivered by the family that brought him, as well as a dated receipt and check...AFTER the mare! Katina's motto must be when all else fails...lie. Katina did not offer me my money back on the mare. She made it clear that she already put the money into her barn. All verifiable.

Katina's little tirade about people having issues with her dealings and trying to be condescending about people dealing with grown up decisions really broadens the view of this person's ability to maintain any form professionalism or accountability for her mistakes, (if she even would admit she makes mistakes?) She stated she'd been sold bad horses too...wonder what she did with them? SELL them? Fact remains fact. There are 20 ways to tell a story, but the one that matters is the one that 's the truth.

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Katina - you are a liar. You tried to sue me for the full price of the horse - over $2700 - SIX MONTHS AFTER I PAID FOR HER and doing so would have netted you almost $6,000 with the interest.

Funny how your neighbor - cough cough - the attorney who represented you pro bono - filed an emergency ammended complaint for $500

Of course I lost the $500 case, I wasn't there on the small claims court date of November 12, 2009. I was at my husband's bedside - who had been in a coma on life support since his lung cancer surgery to remove his lung on September 16th and he just got home December 5th. You are a coward for not writing or telephoning me and trying to mediate this woman to woman. You hide behind others who do your dirty work for you and honey, I would love to go toe to toe with you. Even your own attorney / neighbor was frazzled having to deal with me.

I wouldn't have wasted my energy going to Ohio for a small claims case of $500. And try getting a red cent. What are you going to garnish? Nothing. You can't garnish a NYS police pension or Social Security retirement.

Yep, you bet I went after a horse dealer who ripped me off in 2007 and so did about 60 other people. So before you open up your big mouth, have your "REP" read the complaints from all those people.

to a comment: are YOU high or drunk, or are you just illiterate with a learning disability? What I said will make sense to anyone with an IQ high enough to read on a college level, and for many, not even that. And no, NYS law does not apply here, and she cannot be extradited back to NYS if she was never there in the first place.  And yes, everyone who sells something that qualifies for sales tax must indeed collect sales tax, which means you too. What difference does it make if it sells at a loss? Businesss still collect sales tax on their clearance and promotional items, even though it is selling at a loss. Also, I never said east coast people dont take care of their horses, I just said some strange thing happen there. Im guess you are from the east coast by the way you blew that out of proportion. And I am also guessing that you dont know much about your horses anatomy besides this is the front and this is the back. Otherwise, you might be able to take care of your horse instead of calling a vet over a scratch. And when you take your animal to a vet hospital, you probably think its the vet doing all the care of your animal. Sorry to tell you this, but you are living under a delusion. It very well could be a college freshman in there spaying and neutering and doing the fecal and urinalysis. Or maybe even a vet student who does not have their license yet. The hired staff do not only push papers, why do you think they wear scrub shirts? Maybe info should be posted about the double dipping and how paypal stopped the entire payment, and in fact, the equid  (aka horse- just in case you didnt know) was not paid for.

Dear Mrsmommalady

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-      That was classy. Im so honored to be conversing (that means speaking with) a person with so much class and who can articulate (that means describe with words) their thoughts, no matter how ignorant (that means dumb because they havent learned) they may be. [sarcasim]<- that means I was saying this insincerely, almost mockingly, and that it was a joke.

Happy reading, and feel free to initiate (that means start) another conversation, because I find this quite entertaining.

The best I can tell all of you ladies that are sending all this stuff in.. Well the lady that bought Blacky.. she was offered her money back over the phone, 24 hrs after she bought her. How did I know about the pony if I didnt see it that day I took the mare to her and yes she was told I would take the mare back. I stand behind my horses, if they are not what I say or dont work for that person, I give most people a week. I dont have to do that, its not a law that I have to take it back. Horses are like buying a car, once you buy it and drive off the lot its yours. Dont look a gift horse in the mouth they say. In the past anyone getting a horse from me has always been welcome to come ride or go with us to ride at the park for a day and most people do.. and I always let a vet check be done. All of you could have taken me to curt at any time you thought I was wrong.. WHY didnt you? The lady in NY.. for one thing I dont have to charge you taxes you are out of state.. and I called my tax lady.. She did her part and looked things up.. one thing I sell to horse farmers and dont have to collect that tax from horse farmer to horse farmer.  That means anyone that has owed a horse before and as for my tack that I have sold over the last year.. saddle, it was used.. no tax on used tack. As for that lady in Il.. Lisa.. Well she gave me a very sick young mare.. she had other horses die in her barn and didnt tell me this mare was sick while she had a foal on her side.. the black horse she bought died also of Rat poison somone in her barn was feeding her horses. If I was wrong with the lady in NY.. then I would have not won my case.. Im now going after her in her State of Ny and I have talked with the rep about it and he found she has done this before its on the internet. So I have a very good case to win the money she thought she would get back, just like the other two horses she bought in the past. Pay Pal didnt even let her get it all back like she tried to. I did send in my side of it and that is why I won my case with her. You know anyone looking at these are reading them that are true animal people or horse people (and I have shown this to a lot of people) just laugh, when you buy an animal of any kind you take a chance on it getting sick or having things wrong with it that no ones sees, that comes with care and responabltys of getting and animal, that is why we have vets. and I have seen lots of vet miss things as well. Its funny how these ladies come at me now and in this way. No ones sees the good things that have done or the people that I have bent over to help out and work with. I have helped and done for a lot more people then I ever hurt. So bring on your letters and nasty thoughts or grow up and take the responablties for that choices you made as a grown up.. I have bought bad horse in the past and never pointed a finger or even thought of it.. To those that read these that want to look at a horse I have or Im selling for another.. come and make your mind up for your self or I can give you LOTS more poeples numbers and emails that have bought good horse through me.

Dear Mrsmommalady

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You are either high or drunk because you make NO sense at all on anything that you have to say. 

Katina Morrow is not a private seller, she sells under Swede Quarter Horses and sells more than one horse a year so she should have been paying Ohio State Sales tax to the Dept of Taxation as well as reporting profits to the IRS. Thats a fact of life. If a person sells their ONE family horse - they don't have to report what they sold it for to anyone, moreso if they sold the horse at a loss within the year they bought it. But a person in the business of breeding and selling horses, dogs, and exotic animals better report their profits to the TAX MAN as well as collect state sales tax.  If Katina Morrow was selling horses for other people and acting as a "broker" its up to her to collect the state sales tax if she took the money for that person.

East Coast people actually take care of their horses, and that includes hiring a licensed VET to administer all necessary vaccinations and proper health care. Horse owners that do their own "vetting" or "farrier work" do so because they don't want to spend the money, don't have the money and shouldn't own a horse in the first place.

Maybe more information should be posted on the "double dipping" scheme to defraud bullcrap that Katina Morrow tried to pull off, using the Justice System to steal from someone fighting for his life with lung cancer. It can be uploaded on this site within minutes to include the check she signed and cashed. She was paid for the horse in full 6 months prior, yet decided to break the law by filing a lawsuit blatently lying that she wasn't paid a red cent. What a low life. That speaks VOLUMES on the character and lack of morals of Katina Morrow. Obviously, if she tried to steal from a man who had lung cancer - and was on life support at the time the hearing was held on November 12, 2009" and NINE MONTHS AFTER SHE WAS PAID IN FULL, she will LIE about anything. And that includes selling SICK HORSES. When her "attorney" was informed NYS law officials would go after her if she followed through with her bogus lawsuit, he filed an EMERGENCY AMMENDED SMALL CLAIMS COMPLAINT FOR $500

NYS law most certainly applies to an out of state crime. If Katina Morrow stole from someone out of state, all it takes is a phone call to get her extradited back to NY to face her crimes. It is done all of the time. Scheming to defraud and financial exploitation of a sick and disabled person is really frowned upon in NY or pretty much anywhere.

To answer the question of why a young horse would have a collapsed cartilage, it is because breeding as we know it today is horrible. People are breeding mostly for one trait, and breeding artificially, and this cause less fertile, and less hardy animals. The best made horses as far as holding up to work goes- are mustangs. Breeding this way has lead to bad hooves (cracking and abscessing) and bad legs- why do you think so many horses break down at the track? Its because they were not bred to hold up to running so much, but for speed. Going on, who cares if answers are one-liners? she was fine when she left here was all she had to tell you, buying private party is not like shopping at the mall, no refunds or returns are in your rights, unless it is written in a contract. As for EPM, many horses have been exposed to it, and an unfortunate number have symptoms. EPM goes through a complicated cycle where a cat eats something with this protozoa, and an opossum either eats the cat or the cats feces, and then the horse eats the opossums feces. More than 50% of all horses have been exposed to this disease, and exposure can be tested via blood sample, actually diagnosis must be tested via spinal tap. If you did that to the horse 3 times, I feel very badly for the horse. And I believe it was your choice to give the horse away after spending so much on it, so you cant blame that on anyone else. As for the drug theory, everyone thinks that one up, thats why if you want to claim drugs later on you are supposed to vet check and test for drugs. Is that not what every how-to-buy-a-horse guide says? Also, Mustangs live in just wide open space and they have survived for centuries that way because horses are built for that. Do you intend to build a huge shelter for all the wild horses in the world? And who cares where hay is stored? For all you know it could be delivered daily as tons of people do with their livestock. Is it really a matter of record and fact that she hunts down all those free-horse ads as you claim she does? Or is this simply an exaggeration that is being fluffed up because she happened to inquire about your free horse?  The same kindof fluffing up as when you make up an entire story about Kelly really being Katina? Kelly is her own person and you can meet her if you come to hear area of the nation. I also like how this is supposed to be a mere warning about your experience, not a personal message to one person as you have made it. And yes, I am consumer commenting because I am showing data some people do not know, and pointing out some weaknesses of this accusation so that other people can more clearly consider whether or not you are a creditable source. Critical thinking please, critical thinking.

To a comment: sales tax need not be collected on private sales of horses. I have never heard of anyone doing such a thing. If you feel so strongly about this, then you need to expand your vendetta to everyone who has ever sold a horse private party. Have you sold a horse? Did you pay anyone to do so? Did you collect sales tax and give it to the government? Do you think the person who wrote this story collected a penny and gave it to the government? Because that is what sales tax on a free item is, one penny. And a puppy mill applies to anyone who breeds a dog to sell puppies, even a local USDA licensed and inspected, registered, show dog quality breeder. Im sure she crossed state lines to deliver to buyers with the sole intention to get out of paying taxes she doesnt need to pay anyway [sarcasm]. I am positive that is the only reason [sarcasm], not like she would sell to anyone across state lines for another reason, like, that thats where the buyer was located, right? As for the harassment issue, who is harassing who know?  As far as the mares being only breeding machines to her, then how is it that she rides them? They are not only breeding machines. And 3 years old is not a terrible time to start, not when I would breed, but not terrible. Would you rather that horses be treated as professional dog breeders treat their dogs? Breeding as soon as they sexually mature, which is at 12 months. Is 3 years really all that bad in the grand scheme of things, when a maiden mare should be bred before she turns 7? As for doing shots, that is perfectly fine. Unless you do rabies. A good horseman should be able to provide all basic vet care to their horse, right down to cuts (unless stitches are need of course). It is quite annoying as a vet to be called to something simple that the owner should have been able to do themselves, but they love to rack up the charge, so they dont complain. But here, where there are only 3 vet clinics within a 100+ mile radius, the vet gives you instructions, and you do it yourself, without the vet ever coming out, because there is no time to waste. What would you do if something went wrong with your horse and all the vet were out to a conference or something? Would you sit there and watch it die? You should applaud her for being able to take care of the animals, at least she might be able to save their life if needed. At the local university, students administer all vaccinations, and draw coggins, with very limited supervision by the instructor, who is not a vet. And the university very rarely calls a vet, because the equine professors can do stitches and diagnose, just like other very savvy horse people can.

To another comment: you say that is Katina Morrows advertisement, but there is no way to see that, it seems like that could be anyones. Next time include the contact details (at least a mane, because you are limited here) to prove that you are a creditable source, and that what you show is truly from the person in question.

To another comment: There is no implied warranty. Again, you are not shopping at the mall. Katina did not say she offered you a vet check, she said she welcomes anyone to a vet check- there is a difference and its not the word anyone. Again, no refund in your rights because you are not shopping at the mall. And were the immediate symptoms before or after the no receptivity to the pony? And what does that mean anyway? Did you turn them out together so they could kick at each other and cause undue stress to cause lameness? And ditch an animal that has settled onto your property, and that youve had for over a week instead of the animal YOU JUST BOUGHT? Lovely.  I dont see pathological lies about the gelding, you sold him because he was hot, which mean too much for you to be comfortable handling. I dont see how this is far off.  it manifested tripping problems and lameness immediately afterwards The mare was idle until the weather broke to ride in April. I noticed tripping and stumbling and front end soreness on the pigeon toed leg within 20 minutes of at walk/trot on flat ground. Which of the last 2 statements is true? Cant be both- that is for sure. This leads me to believe that you are not a reliable source and that your horse acquired EPM on your own property. Whoops, there goes the answer to an earlier question, the EPM test was blood draw- which only can verify that the horse was exposed to EPM. Everyone that knows anything about Equine disease knows that spinal tap is the ONLY way to confirm diagnosis of EPM. I dont think your vet is very credible either- is that why you use 3? You cannot truly see how a horse moves through gaits in snow drifts. So then why, pray tell, did you buy the horse under that kind of inspection? You are the one to blame for that mistake, and no one else. Also, as you may note, bute and banamin and all those types of drugs are prescription, again, needing a vet. And obviously people can use more than one vet, because you use 3. Which is actually detrimental to your horses health. None of the vet have the full history, because they all get a piece. Its like going to the doctor- you should have only one. Her statements erode her credibility.. She has made stories up in her rebuttal, adding spin, Same to you.

To another comment: you need to specify rabies vaccination because a lot of people do not vaccinate their horses for rabies. I understand you are out on the east coast and people do some weird stuff to horses out there. Like trainers that go around and give all the horses a squirt of orange juice daily, which is a mixture of sedatives to keep them quite because there is no turn out and exercise means paying students to hand walk them in the arena. But that is besides the point. And as for rusty bits, horses LOVE them. Rust gives the bit flavor and that is really enjoyable to a horse. Do you use sweet iron bits, or do you put nasty alloy metal bits in their mouths?  A horse can receive double vaccinations and 2 months was sufficient amount of time for that. Have you not heard of giving a horse a booster shot 2 weeks after the initial dose? And as for the lawsuit for not paying? Can you prove that it was her,  and only her that received the money? Anyone can steal a check, sign it, get it cashed, and your bank will give you a copy of the signed check, but you do not know who really received that money, now do you? These are the crimes that Katina Morrow committed under NYS LAW well, sorry to inform you, but that is the wrong jurisdiction, and has no merit. The business was technically done in ohio, and NYS law does not govern that. Dont you know that you cant be arrested in America because they knew you consumed an alcoholic beverage in Europe at the age of 19. Its legal there, but not here. No jurisdiction, NYS laws mean nothing in this matter. And as far as double dipping all that money, not quite because you won the dispute of $500, or did you forget about that already? And as for the lawyer who passed the bar exam 10 days before who cares? They have to start work sometime dont they? As far as I know there is no waiting period between when you test and when you can work. The fact they they passed just 10 days before should be a reassurance, or in your case, a scare, because obviously they know their stuff.  Again with the taxes, you should go out there to every private horse seller and ask if they have a vendors license and collect sales tax and report them if they dont. And dont buy from anyone unless they do- see how far you will get with that. And did you collect sales tax and obtain a vendors license to sell the horse? I really would like to know the answer to that one so that I can report you if you did not. I have not sold a horse, so you can not turn this around on me. And yet again with the vetting, I should not repeat again why a horseman should know some equine vetting.

And about the picture: that horse is obviously going to buck. Its legs are tucked underneath it steadying, getting balance, and hunching for power. The front legs are adjusting as a horse with a sliding stop, again getting balance, putting its feet precisely where is wants them, and obtaining grip to help itself stay upright in the buck, and the nose is down, getting tucked into the chest, because when a horse bucks, they put their nose into their chest and drive their body out behind that line. I will try to upload a picture of a bronc coming off the ground in the same position as that horse. Mined you its slightly different and from a different angle.

Also, I remember reading this and seeming something about Katinas website mysteriously disappearing, that was because she had a geocities website, and geocities shut down. I was going a make a geocities website once and they said they werent offering to create anymore websites, and that existing ones would be shut down on a certain date- can remember which date.

Before I tell MY story, anyone who files a complaint against Katina Morrow, the best place on the internet is at www.ComplaintBoard.com  It shows up on any internet search engine.

My story began back in January, 2009. I had been ripped off by a horse dealer back in 2007 and was scared to death to buy a horse again. My friend told me she was buying a horse from some guy that Katina was "advertising" for him.  I live in NY and Katina lives in Ohio and my friend agreed to pick up my Pony for me when she got her draft horse in the state of PENNSYLVANIA.  My friend told me that Katina seemed like an honest person and had some QH ponies for sale. My friend told Katina about me and how gun-shy I was to buy another horse so she gave her my email address.

We exchanged emails and the only horse I was interested in was a horse that she said was NOT FOR SALE because CT was their "family horse".  She offered to sell her to me for $2500 which included all vaccinations done by a VET, hoof trimming by a FARRIER, her bridle and bit shown in the pictures. Katina sent me over 100 videos of the pony being ridden outside IN THE SNOW and ridden in the middle of the aisle inside her barn by her 10 year old daughter. There were 100's of chickens and turkeys flying all over and the horse was not fazed at all.  I decided to buy her and Katina sent me a Paypal Money Request for $2500 + $75 because Paypal charged her a fee and I agreed to that. Two days after I sent her the $2575, Katina emails me that she needs an additional $126.80 because SHE has to purchase the required vaccinations for her VET at PBS Animal Health. I thought that odd but sent her a check for that amount along with the Purchase Contract she had me sign and send to her. That brought the total price of the horse up to $2701.80.

My new pony was not going to be delivered until February 21, 2009 and the pony was in Katina's possession for 3 weeks.  On February 18, 2009 my husband was diagnosed with Stage IV advanced lung cancer and we were told he had 8 months to live at best. I emailed Katina to cancel the sale and she never replied. I called her house and she never answered the phone.  I was so traumatized and under duress I never even thought to tell my friend to just "not take the horse when you meet her in PA"

My friend met Katina in PA and trucked the horse back to NYS. She arrived at night and was so sweet that my husband and I decided to keep her despite what we were facing. However, Katina substituted the bridle and bit that I bought from her with a cheap green nylon pony bridle and bit that wouldn't even go over her head.  The horse was a tad thin and did not look in the best of health and I doubt she had been wormed in years. Her hooves were NOT professionally trimmed but looked like they had been hacked at.  Katina had emailed me that her horses NEVER graze because she does not have a pasture but are fed hay and grain only. She never sent the Rabies vaccination certificate, vaccination records, OR farrier records. NOTHING. I emailed her many times to PLEASE send those to me and ignored my requests. After a couple of months she mailed me an old rusty western bit that must have been sitting outside for years. 

The pony was VERY well behaved and expertly trained. I was able to ride her in just a halter and lead rope 2 days after arrival in the freezing cold of a NY winter and down the road. I changed her diet, gave her vitamins, a salt lick, and she thrived.

Because I had to drive my husband to a cancer center 5 hours round trip every 3 weeks, I hired an exercise rider to work the horse. It became impossible for me to care for my new pony. My husband was sick and I had to put the horse up for sale only 2 months after I bought her. Because Katina failed to send me the Rabies and vaccination records, I listed the horse for sale at less than what I paid for her. After all, a horse could not receive "double" vaccinations.

Because I paid for the horse through Paypal with my Visa credit card, I disputed part of the purchase price of $500 which was for the items I never received or were not done: rabies, other vaccinations, farrier records, or the bridle and bit.  Katina Morrow was given TWO chances by Paypal to show proof that she had the vaccinations done by a Vet, had the horses hooves trimmed by a farrier, and that she sent me the bridle and bit that was shown in the videos and pictures. Katina Morrow failed to provide ANY proof and I won the dispute for $500.

IT GETS BETTER:  On August 12, 2009 I am served a Summons from the Celina Municipal Court that I am being sued by Katina Morrow for "Breach of Contract" and she was suing me for the FULL price of the horse - plus the additional monies I sent her for the vaccinations, for a grand total of $2701.80 PLUS her ATTORNEY FEES and INTEREST.  The summons stated that I was to be in the state of Ohio for a JURY TRIAL in September because Katina Morrow lied and said I never paid for the horse. 

These are the crimes that Katina Morrow committed under NYS LAW:

1.she committed perjury under NYS Penal Code S 210.45 Perjury Making a Punishable False Written Statement when she alleged that I owed her $2701.80 plus other costs and she signed her name to the Small Claims Complaint under oath  subscribed and sworn before her Attorney and Notary, on August 12, 2009 in which he filed it with the Court. She even added in the $126.80 check that I had mailed to reimburse her for the horse's vaccinations, signed and cashed it, and obviously pocketed the money. Katina Morrow had transferred the title of the horse over to me and my husband on February 3, 2009 and mailed it in to the AQHA.

2. Because Katina Morrow was paid in full for the horse on February 4, 2009 as well as cashed the check in the amount of $126.80, she schemed to defraud me by trying to "double dip" and get paid for the horse twice for a grand total of almost $6,000 which is direct violation of NYS Penal Code S 190.60 Scheme to Defraud in the Second Degree  

3.  If Katina Morrow won the lawsuit and and a lien was put on my property or monies garnished from my bank account, she committed Grand Larceny under NYS Penal Code S 155.5 and I let iher attorney know that I would contact local law enforcement officials here in NY and let them go after her.  When I let her attorney know all of the crimes that Katina Morrow had broken in NYS, he filed an "EMERGENCY AMMENDED COMPLAINT" for $500.

Katina Morrow was using the Justice system to pathetically steal from a family in crisis and a man who had been going through chemotherapy for 6 months and fighting for his life with lung cancer at the time the summons was served.  I had to fight with her attorney back and forth while trying to care for my husband. My husband was scheduled for surgery around the time of the lawsuit in OHIO that was being held without me there.  My husband had surgery on September 16, 2009 and complications arose and he was on life support for over 2 months and just released from the cancer hospital on December 5, 2009, and is home where I am still caring for him.   Katina's attorney fought like a lion to drag me into Ohio where the "hearing" was held on November 12, 2009. Mind you, I am staying at a hotel in another city for months while my husband was on life support, under extreme stress, and all the while having to fight back and forth with Katina Morrow and her attorney who was so unethical he sent me another person's CASE in the mail. It had nothing to do with me. I had to telephone the attorney in Ohio to give him a "heads up" that Katina Morrow's Attorney has released his client's confidential court records to a stranger living in NYS. 

One day before the hearing, Katina Morrow's attorney advised me that anther attorney was also working on the $500 case.  I looked up the attorney's name and he had just been notified that he had passed the Ohio State Bar Exam 10 days PRIOR to the November 12th, hearing.  The Judge ruled in Katina Morrow's favor although I submitted pages and pages of evidence to include the substitute bridle and bit and other rusty bit. I lost because I was "not there".   The Judge took off $75 for the bridle and bit that I never got and said that I owed her $425.

NEWS FLASH TONIGHT: Katina Morrow never charged me Ohio State Sales tax on the price of the horse. I contacted the Ohio Department of Taxation and Finance and told them that she breeds and sells horses, other animals, and sells horses for other people.They told me that Katina Morrow did not have a vendors license to sell horses, or any other animals, did not have a  business license under Swede Quarter Horses or Morrow Exotics, or anything else.  The man I spoke with informed me that she should have collected approximately $216 sales tax on the money I paid her for the horse, tack, vaccinations, and she should have paid it to the state of Ohio.  As for the IRS, if she made a profit on the horse that I bought from her, she needed to report that income as well.  What is that? Income tax evasion? 

Many people have emailed Katina since she started her crap with me and we have compiled so much evidence against her.  For anyone considering buying a horse from Katina, she does her own VET care because she truly thinks she knows as much as a VET does and I have her email to prove it. 

Katina Morrow's rebuttal to the complaint I initiated  contains mis-statements and fabrications. The difference between what she states vs. the allegations are that I actually have documentation on paper, records of emails fromher,electronic data, dated video, dated veterinary examinations on the animal that would prove her statements false legally.

1) I have a carbon yellow receipt in Katina's handwriting for the purchase of the mare dated 3/4/07, and a copy of the cashed check I wrote to her that date. Katina had already had a baby.

2) The mare didn't have a turned-out foot. She had a turned-in foot known as being pigeon toed. You would think the owner of the horse would know such specifics.

3) Katina didn't offer a vet check. It's not necessarily her position. Vet checks are usually up to the buyer. No seller would be in a good position to decline a vet check, as it would make them look bad. I did not have one. I took Katina's implied warranty the mare was sound.

4) We had a large pasture with vinyl fencing installed in 2006. We did not have just a round pen at delivery time. In addition two 15x17 stalls were built in 2006.

5) Katina lied about me keeping the horse inside for three days. I have record of dated emails between us  the night of delivery about how the horse had been let out to explore the same evening she came. I have dated home video of the horse that evening out in the pasture as well as the next day sunning herself. Katina was also emailing me the next day and responded that she was glad the horse was settling in, and she didn't think she would care where she was.

6) She fabricated the pony kicking story. Unsure where she came up with it. Nothing ever happened where a pony kicked "her" (who? me? the horse?) and I never had to get a horse "down the road". The pony she speaks of did not arrive until a week after the mare.  I called Katina during the time the mare was not receptive to the pony to see her thoughts on how she thought the mare would get along with the pony, and also stated that if I had to, I would get rid of the mare before ditching my daughter's new pony.  She did offer to come and get the mare off my property at that time, but NEVER OFFERED ME A REFUND. She said she could only help me re-list the mare to re-sell it, because she was building a barn and had put my money into that project. If she wasn't giving me a refund, I told her NO...the horse was going to stay on my property. This is again, verified by email, because we had an email exhange of this topic as well.

7) Pathological Lies about the sorrel gelding being sick, lame, that I couldn't handle it, and it's prior owners not telling me the truth about it. She must have forgotten that she was having me email photos of the horse along with all info on it so that she could help me get him sold so I could get the mare delivered. She was putting the word out that I had a nice Appendix sorrel gelding for sale that was slightly hot, and bred hot, and she even spent time in that stage looking his bloodlines up. All verified by emails. In addition, our family is friends with the prior owners of that gelding I had. Oh, and he was sold because he was too hot. He was supposed to be for my husband, and did not really like him, hence, we sold him, and I had a buyer in place, and Katina was emailing me to see what the updates were on that too, so that she knew when to arrange delivery of the mare.

8) The mare was idle until the weather broke to ride in April. I noticed tripping and stumbling and front end soreness on the pigeon toed leg within 20 minutes of at walk/trot on flat ground. I emailed her to ask her if she ever had any of those issues. (On record in a file) She then gave quick one liners for email responses, such as "she was fine when she left here". A veterinary exam concluded arthritis in the front pastern with collapsing cartilege. A conclusive blood draw resulted in MID STAGE EPM, verifiable by it's stage at that date, and by veterinary science that it was contracted long before I bought it. Not in the month and a half that I had owned her. Upon contacting Katina by email and telling her about this, she little concern, and instead said "the mare was fine when she left here." Her lack of concern is very telling. If she were the only owner of that mare, then the mare contracted EPM and developed the arthritis under her care. Vet assessments and equine medical science proves the stage the horse was in for each of her main problems. All verifiable.

9) Katina offered the mare for sale on DreamHorse.com in February 2007. Also verifiable by electronic record. Snow drifts were on the ground everywhere with some melting snow that had become ice. That is what I was limited to riding the horse in at the time of viewing. Snow drifts. Katina limited where I could ride that horse to snow drifts. You cannot truly see how a horse moves through gaits in snow drifts.

10) Katina focused on the EPM topic only for the defense of using drugs to mask symptoms. That is not where the suggestion was isolated. Instead, it was geared more toward using anti-inflammatories and Bute, as well as topicals, which are good at relieving pain and symptoms, and are relatively easy to obtain. Sometimes people use more than one vet. Her timing of offering an EPM horse for sale with neurological symptoms would work well in deep snow... In addition no professional veterinarian will be able to verify what a person may or may not be doing on their own property outside the scope of his direct supervised care.

11) When I listed that mare free to a good home in 2008 because I could not afford the medications and treatment anymore, guess who emailed interested in it? HER. I am sure she did not know it was me or the horse, however it sparked a new email exchange, also a matter of record.

As one can see, Katina Morrow does not seem to be able to maintain a consistent story or time line in correlation with actual events. Her statements erode her credibility when documents and data, and witnesses prove otherwise. She has made stories up in her rebuttal, adding spin, or leaving details out. Apparently she may not be able to understand how things are investigated for discoverable evidence against her in this instance.

Posted Nov.22, 2009..Debbie has never been on my place and has never bought a thing from me so how did I rip her off? Plus we only had four emails with each other, that I still have also. She is the only person I have talked to about my dun mare with the spot in her eye, so I know its her. The mare was looked at the day I bought her by a horse vet in Mo. Dr Steele DVM said it was a scar and not be worry about it. She was looking for a good broke horse and Lena is a great mare for kids or anyone learning. I can give you lots of parents info that have used Lena for thier kids to learn on. I told her she was more then welcome to get a vet of her choice to look at the eye if she was to buy the mare. She was very nasty and I didnt sell her my mare and she is now mad about it. She is stocking me (as you can read on the rip off) now and saying things about me and my place that are no were close to being true. If anyone comes to my home, they will see that I have 5 turkeys, 12 chickens, 1 goose and one old dog (spayed and has been for years). And yes I helped my mom find homes for her oops puppies. And at this time the male and female are fixed.. you can call her vet if you like to ask. And I have never had a puppy mill and will never start one up. She has lots of things to say about me and I would like to know how she knows these things with out ever coming to my home or talking to me. Like my horses, a person can see on my web page that kids ride my horses (mares) all over and have a great time and the horses are all in great shape. All my horses are broke to ride and easy to handle and love people.. even the two a took in so they didnt go to the kill pen. I have had two free horses given to me this year. One was a 3 week old filly foal that was about gone. I took her in and got her up and going and gave her to a very loving young lady down the road from me. The other was a TB mare that I took in to help out the owner and I gave her to a man in Lima that gives riding leasons off her. As for the other things she needs to go around in the papers and on the net and ask every person that sells a horse if they get sales tax.. I have talked to LOTs of horse people and they never herd of such a thing. I turn in animals on my year end taxes. You are more then welcome to call in the humane society, Chuck has been here before and bought a nice pony, he thought things were just fine here. And the USDA Vet has also been here to help me with my Pot Belly Pig. If those two people see anything they dont think is right they have to call it in. As for the horse on my web page, we were riding at Kiser Lake and this mare and her owner (with her 4 yr old daughter) were walking back to the trailers when we found them. She bought the mare and was told the mare was very safe for them both to ride with a buddy saddle. They didnt even get out on the main trail when the mare bucked them both off and the saddle. We offered to help her out with the mare. The two guys resaddled the mare and got on her. She bucked and got some big time air, that picture is of her going up in a buck and I do mean a nasty want to hurt you buck. We worked with this mare for a week getting her over the idea of bucking and letting a person ride behind the saddle. We never hurt her. She is now being rode by these two young ladies at Kiser on the weekends.. Come by and say "hi". Before you make a judgment about me or my horses, come by and I will show you around or come bring your horse to Kiser and Ride with us.

First off Kelly is her own person, ask her!

Yes I sold MPowell the  black mare in 2006 (not 2007) while I was still pregnant with my daughter. I rode this mare while I was pregnant that last month. She showed no signs of anything wrong with her. She has a turned out foot in the front and the buyer knew and seen it. I offered her to have a vet check before she bought the mare. I welcome anyone to get a vet check on any horse and think that if you dont know horses very well you should get one done when buying. My vets will stand behind me on this very much. You can contact them at the Celina Vet Hosp.

We took the mare to her home and we seen one stall for a her and a pony and a round pen. She called me three days later and said the mare after setting in the barn for three days was wanting to run and buck and play when she put her out. This scared her and she was not sure she could handle her. She then told me that the pony kicked her over the fence and she had to go get her down the road. She wanted us to come get the mare, I told my husband while I was talking with her on the phone and he said I will be right there to pick her up. She then backed out and wanted to keep the mare.

(This was her second horse she didnt know how to handle. She told me a story about a sorrel gelding she bought that the people didnt tell her the truth on him.. and he was sick and lame too and she had to give him away as well.)

Months later she emailed me saying the mare was hurt and sick. I dont know any person that sells horses that will take one back after a week.. most the laws are 24 hrs. A lot can happen to that horse in a week or month or years. The mare was in a good health and weight when she left here.

Yes I have shelter on the place for every horse. I have three barns. One is a 30x60 with 10x10 stalls and one is 30x30 (always been here) that I keep hay in and then I have a barn that has 10x10 stalls that are run in stalls. I also have a 120x60 barn I rent to keep hay in down the road, you ask the barn owner. I dont beleave in keeping a horse in a stall 24.7. They need out and about to be healthy. Even my vets told me that is how they feel too.

Read about EPM: http://www.dclahdvm.com/articles/epm.htm Medications have to be bought from a vet. What vet is going to give them out? I use Celina Vet call and ask them if I buy drugs to mask things.

As for the other rip offs..They never bought a horse off me. Go read them.

You are more then welcome to come by and see the horses and even bring your horse to go riding with our group at Kiser Lake on Sundays.

Advertisement for Katina Morrow's puppy mill business. She says they are not being kept in cages. No, probably out in the barn with the 100's of fowl that she raises.

CKC Reg Corgi Puppies

We had 7 (3 left) very nice tri color puppies for sale. They can be reg. with CKC.   Picture is of the mother. This is the only little female left.

$250 each

Right off Katina Morrow's website

No wonder the horses she sells are lame and have other medical problems. She should be reported to the humane society for animal cruelty. I took this right off of her website and have saved it as well as a lot of other information on this person.

DO YOU MEAN THIS PICTURE? I HOPE IT UPLOADS. GOT IT OFF KATINA MORROW'S WEBSITE.

THIS HORSE IS CLEARLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH 2 MEN RIDING IT DOUBLE.

Let me tell you a little bit about this woman, Katina Morrow, Swede Quarter Horses. First off, she does NOT have a business license filed known as a DBA. She does not have an an Agricultural, Dog Breeder license or a Vendors license to sell horses or any other kinds of animals in the state of Ohio. She does NOT collect sales taxes on any animals that she sells or any other items such as trailers, saddles, etc.  Now she is offering puppies for sale - a puppy mill. She does NOT report profits on the animals she sells to the Ohio Department of Taxation and Finance and probably to the IRS. We will see, because I called all of them after she ripped me off and they were THRILLED that I gave them the information that I had on her.  I gave them all of the websites that she advertises her horses and other stuff on. I told them that she likes to deliver the horses to out of state buyers and crosses the state lines so she can get out of paying taxes.

Keep harrassing me Katina. Because your problems are only beginning as it takes a couple of years for the IRS, and the Ohio Dept of Taxation to finish investigating you. I have been keeping a LEDGER on you and will be more than happy to provide the proper authorities everything that aquire.. which seems to be on a daily basis. Especially your new puppy mill business.

The horses she sells are lunatics. All of the mares are nothing more than breeding machines to her, and they are not in the best of health seeing as how she starts breeding them at the age of 3.  She is now in the Haflinger horse business and recently sold a 2 year old Haflinger as "finished" after putting only 2 weeks of training on it. I copied and pasted all of the pictures she posted on her new website - which mysteriously disappeared. Especially loved the picture of the two guys that were riding double on the horse - who was clearly in pain as it was dragging its rear almost to the ground. I saved it Katina and think I will send it to the Humane Society in your area so they can go and take a look at what is really going on over at your farm.

One more thing... when she says they are UTD on shots - she says she does them herself as well as all of the vetting of her horses.. One of her mares had a white spot on her eye and it was like that for 10 years. She said since it didn't seem to bother the horse, why have a Vet look at it? Her explanation is she thinks she knows as much as a Vet does.. I have that email letter..