LDS Church ripoff Las Vegas, Henderson Nevada
My Great Grandmother's, Grandfather's Nephew is Joseph Smith Jr, He wrote the Book of Mormon. I found many things about him and what happened to kill him. I know that people can makeup things and be careful I could be mislead. I'm thankful I bought a Computer I went to www.lds.org and researched for family history. I found that family history goes back to near 400 AD I might get a foot high stack of paper.
I found several things on the Internet about Joseph Smith Jr. and I took another look in the Doctrine and Covenants and found it contains information that support what I found on the Internet. People can lie about things, to hurt someone or coverup a lie or to coverup the hurt they caused - not for good reasons.
When I read D&C 42 I see someone that understands the concept of God being something good, that God is a concept only, some people think its a person, its a concept, a spirit that people make happen, it a spirit an action of knowing the difference between right and wrong, and a person that cares about everyone, not the supreme being - that is selfish, an action. That Joseph is Antislavery and Anticorruption, that God is a concept that builds a better world. The message to warn about adultry, stealing and killing. And that all people are created equal.
Then in D&C 131 I see something forced on someone, a scam about force polygamy on Joseph Smith Jr. that did not want any part of it because in D&C 135 I read "treacherous" because in D&C 131 it said if he did not comply he is against the law and death and hell was the punishment and put him in jail one other thing could do that, Antislavery.
People can think of right and wrong differently, some people think the right way is silly or the wrong way the best way and deception a tool. He was born Dec. 23, 1805 in Sharon, Windsor, Vermont. Thomas Jefferson was born in Albermarle County, Virginia April 13, 1743 someone gave me the idea he was born in Vermont, until I looked on the internet.
Thomas Jefferson was 33 when he drafted the Declaration of Independence 29 years before Joseph Smith Jr was born, his Father Joseph Smith was born July 12, 1771 in Topsfield, Essex, Massachusetts 5 years before. I noticed that when this country started it was Thomas Jefferson, when it was the war of the north against the south it was Jefferson Davis the President of the south. When Brigham Young went with several others after Joseph Smith Jr died and the church split into 2 forms of the church, picked Brigham Young for polygamy. That became the LDS Church and the RLDS Church the other, that later became the Community of Christ.
The church of Brigham Young that stopped doing polygamy after Brigham Young died and John Taylor took over, they outlawed polygamy. Then the church split again and a third group started and called them "the fundamental church".
I feel like I'm in middle of a deception. Joseph Smith and Joseph Smith Jr and Brigham Young are people who lived then and not now. They could answer many questions and clearup many lies.
Another strange thing that happened is bapt. of the dead, God is Spiritual, because God is everywhere where people are, aware, active spirit, that there is a difference between right and wrong and people need help that people evolve to become better when they learn. God is not a concept of, vain, silly ideas, nor polygamy, overpopulation creates hate and starvation.
Silly ideas create frustration, learning is about understanding, silly ideas have no connection to the real world, and nothing to learn to gain something. If I'm ever to learn something I must see things for what they are and understand them. The church is not a tool or the concept of God a tool to gain some form of deception.
I made the mistake that the LDS church was better than the Community of Christ Church, the one that Joseph Smith the 2nd created, that was once the RLDS Church, I understand now, I think that there is smarter people there, the spirit is there, I should see what they're like.
Steven
Henderson, Nevada
U.S.A.
13 Updates & Rebuttals
George
Houston,Texas,
United States of America
The RLDS Church is not better
#14General Comment
Sun, July 01, 2012
When I first was drawn to Mormonism, I examined the beliefs of all the Mormon churches. I rejected the LDS church because of some of its particular teachings, and began attending the RLDS church, which I later joined. I discovered that the RLDS church was not what it appeared to be, and that it was not any better than the LDS Church in many ways.
Those who were born into LDS families did not have the opportunity to pass on the LDS church and go directly to the RLDS church. I did. All I would like to say is that those who have spent their entire lives in the LDS church, and have rejected it, are in the same position that I was in -- tending to choose the RLDS church to avoid having to give up Mormonism altogether. This is not a solution that I recommend, because the basic foundational propositions of both the LDS and the RLDS church remain the same -- that the leadership communicates with God directly to make decisions about how to run the church. The scriptures are not consulted, because any new communication with God becomes "modern scripture" that supercedes the Bible, the Book of Mormon, and any other preceding revelation. So basically the proposition of Mormonism is that no one may question anything the leaders have to say, because they are speaking for God. Joseph Smith, Jr. said it succinctly during his own lifetime: "I am to you in the place of God. If you do not like it, you can lump it."
I do not recommend the RLDS church as a replacement for the LDS church. It is like trading in a defective AMC Pacer for a Gremlin. If you want improvement, you may have to try something completely different.
Steven
Henderson,Nevada,
U.S.A.
Good Rule: Never Let People Con You Into Something.
#14Author of original report
Tue, September 20, 2005
I like this place. My words stay and yours too, to prove how strange yours are. Everything someone writes about this subject I started is no good. Its not about knowing and understanding. Just a show of force. Saints are people that made the effort, that don't know they are. People are born into this Church thinking their Saints, just another game created by Brigham Young, the games, the rules, the deception, that killed Joseph Smith Jr. and take over, because they disaree with D&C 42, that exists among many other fake concepts and temper tanrums. How many fake things have been created over the years that shifted from what was the real Joseph Smith Jr. to something fake here and now, and never anything of shame and lies the created Brigham Youngs rise to power, sure you could list all the good things Brigham Young did just like many other corrupt rulers they needed there pleasures. Being among many fake things to fake a commandment to force Polygamy on others, to make it the law or be punished and ended after Brigham Young died, yet still exist as the "fundamentalist Church of LDS". God is a concept, a standard, a perception, its come from people that know the difference between right and wrong and a need to help and care about others, including knowing that learning is part of life and can make a better person that can tolerate others and understand others and see the real world and make it better or coexist with others. God is not a concept of overpopulation that creates revolt and hate from starvation and create strange idea and temper tanrums. China is doing something about there population because they know overpopulation creates revolt and strange and cruel ideas. There is no such thing as the Supreme Being, Hitler tried it and many others too, force control of things for your selfish interest is not love and concern for others. God is like good science, good things come from honest effort and good thoughts that can be proven and supported by the facts, that is faith, love. How can faith in demented idea be a success. How can mob rule to create a wicked world to please and hide your bad habits and call it God. Its written there is only one God, the concept they call devil or evil interests, are not from god, its there heaven, only they think it is, its not supported by the facts. A example of a polygamist is lie, cheat and steal to have more children and more wives as young 14. You think you live in a perfect world and you think everyone else does, you mormon member can do no wrong. I could list all the crimes I could report to the police about certain mormon members.
Kami
West Valley,Utah,
U.S.A.
Good Rule: Never let the PEOPLE of the church, scare you away from the gospel"
#14Consumer Comment
Tue, September 20, 2005
Alright, alright-- I was raised LDS- I never,ever preach. I was "active" as they call it off and on. When I was a teenager, some of the girls in the church weren't the nicest people to me. My father, not a "stonch" LDS member, said to me "never let the people scare you away from the gospel"- there are ignorant mean people everywhere- it doesn't matter what their religon is- Mormons get tagged cause they are an easy target- I would wonder what you would say if you went to a Catholic church and someone dodn't treat you right, if you would think Catholics are fraudulent as well. Look, everyone has problems- all religions, oh hell, even atheists have problems- they are mean, cold hearted people- they must all be mormons... um... hardly guys. Just be a good person and me true to yourself and things will come together- everything happens for a reason, and over analyzing your "D &C# book and getting upset at other people who you cannot control is a waste of your time- after all, you COULD be out looking for Mrs. Right whom you search so desperatly for- you never know, she could be sitting right next to you but see how hyped up you get over one organization and decide you're too high maintenace and full of drama for her... Just please remember- I know some spectacular people- some of them happen to be Mormon, some of them aren't... get off your high horse and learn something new, eh?
Kami
West Valley,Utah,
U.S.A.
Good Rule: Never let the PEOPLE of the church, scare you away from the gospel"
#14Consumer Comment
Tue, September 20, 2005
Alright, alright-- I was raised LDS- I never,ever preach. I was "active" as they call it off and on. When I was a teenager, some of the girls in the church weren't the nicest people to me. My father, not a "stonch" LDS member, said to me "never let the people scare you away from the gospel"- there are ignorant mean people everywhere- it doesn't matter what their religon is- Mormons get tagged cause they are an easy target- I would wonder what you would say if you went to a Catholic church and someone dodn't treat you right, if you would think Catholics are fraudulent as well. Look, everyone has problems- all religions, oh hell, even atheists have problems- they are mean, cold hearted people- they must all be mormons... um... hardly guys. Just be a good person and me true to yourself and things will come together- everything happens for a reason, and over analyzing your "D &C# book and getting upset at other people who you cannot control is a waste of your time- after all, you COULD be out looking for Mrs. Right whom you search so desperatly for- you never know, she could be sitting right next to you but see how hyped up you get over one organization and decide you're too high maintenace and full of drama for her... Just please remember- I know some spectacular people- some of them happen to be Mormon, some of them aren't... get off your high horse and learn something new, eh?
Kami
West Valley,Utah,
U.S.A.
Good Rule: Never let the PEOPLE of the church, scare you away from the gospel"
#14Consumer Comment
Tue, September 20, 2005
Alright, alright-- I was raised LDS- I never,ever preach. I was "active" as they call it off and on. When I was a teenager, some of the girls in the church weren't the nicest people to me. My father, not a "stonch" LDS member, said to me "never let the people scare you away from the gospel"- there are ignorant mean people everywhere- it doesn't matter what their religon is- Mormons get tagged cause they are an easy target- I would wonder what you would say if you went to a Catholic church and someone dodn't treat you right, if you would think Catholics are fraudulent as well. Look, everyone has problems- all religions, oh hell, even atheists have problems- they are mean, cold hearted people- they must all be mormons... um... hardly guys. Just be a good person and me true to yourself and things will come together- everything happens for a reason, and over analyzing your "D &C# book and getting upset at other people who you cannot control is a waste of your time- after all, you COULD be out looking for Mrs. Right whom you search so desperatly for- you never know, she could be sitting right next to you but see how hyped up you get over one organization and decide you're too high maintenace and full of drama for her... Just please remember- I know some spectacular people- some of them happen to be Mormon, some of them aren't... get off your high horse and learn something new, eh?
Steven
Henderson,Nevada,
U.S.A.
See I proved it, mormons are cruel and spiteful
#14Author of original report
Thu, September 01, 2005
I have watched other people being hurt by other mormon members, and now they do it to me. Call me anything, write anything. Its written and no one can remove it, and it will prove to anyone how big your lie is. It all started with Joseph Smith jr. he wrote D&C 42 and they did not agree with it and put him in jail. They makeup fiction about Joseph Smith jr. and yet Brigham Young is alway so smart, your example of a polygamist is crook, welfare fraud. God is a concept not about overpopulation that creates hate and revolt from starvation. They made Brigham Young there leader and did anything they pleased. They faked Scripture, about a commandment, a law, about polygamy - D&C 132 and verse 132:6 it says: "...must and shall abide the law, or he shall be damned , ...". In D&C 135:7 it writes: "They were Innocent of any crime ....confind in jail by the conspiracy of traitors and wicked men..." What Spiritual about Bapt. the dead also, nothing, just another game. I asked how do I get married, the world is indifferent, they said after your died and buried in the grave, then we marry you to someone and live happy forever more. I need to find a better religion than this demented place. I know you will write something silly and stupid. The world will see what I wrote and see what you wrote and see how demented this religion is.
Steven
Henderson,Nevada,
U.S.A.
See I proved it, mormons are cruel and spiteful
#14Author of original report
Thu, September 01, 2005
I have watched other people being hurt by other mormon members, and now they do it to me. Call me anything, write anything. Its written and no one can remove it, and it will prove to anyone how big your lie is. It all started with Joseph Smith jr. he wrote D&C 42 and they did not agree with it and put him in jail. They makeup fiction about Joseph Smith jr. and yet Brigham Young is alway so smart, your example of a polygamist is crook, welfare fraud. God is a concept not about overpopulation that creates hate and revolt from starvation. They made Brigham Young there leader and did anything they pleased. They faked Scripture, about a commandment, a law, about polygamy - D&C 132 and verse 132:6 it says: "...must and shall abide the law, or he shall be damned , ...". In D&C 135:7 it writes: "They were Innocent of any crime ....confind in jail by the conspiracy of traitors and wicked men..." What Spiritual about Bapt. the dead also, nothing, just another game. I asked how do I get married, the world is indifferent, they said after your died and buried in the grave, then we marry you to someone and live happy forever more. I need to find a better religion than this demented place. I know you will write something silly and stupid. The world will see what I wrote and see what you wrote and see how demented this religion is.
Steven
Henderson,Nevada,
U.S.A.
See I proved it, mormons are cruel and spiteful
#14Author of original report
Thu, September 01, 2005
I have watched other people being hurt by other mormon members, and now they do it to me. Call me anything, write anything. Its written and no one can remove it, and it will prove to anyone how big your lie is. It all started with Joseph Smith jr. he wrote D&C 42 and they did not agree with it and put him in jail. They makeup fiction about Joseph Smith jr. and yet Brigham Young is alway so smart, your example of a polygamist is crook, welfare fraud. God is a concept not about overpopulation that creates hate and revolt from starvation. They made Brigham Young there leader and did anything they pleased. They faked Scripture, about a commandment, a law, about polygamy - D&C 132 and verse 132:6 it says: "...must and shall abide the law, or he shall be damned , ...". In D&C 135:7 it writes: "They were Innocent of any crime ....confind in jail by the conspiracy of traitors and wicked men..." What Spiritual about Bapt. the dead also, nothing, just another game. I asked how do I get married, the world is indifferent, they said after your died and buried in the grave, then we marry you to someone and live happy forever more. I need to find a better religion than this demented place. I know you will write something silly and stupid. The world will see what I wrote and see what you wrote and see how demented this religion is.
Lori
Oklahoma City,Oklahoma,
U.S.A.
LDS church
#14Consumer Comment
Wed, August 24, 2005
I was a member of the mormon church for many years. I left the church because I saw the light and realized what a joke they really are. However, blaming the mormons, or any other church for all your personal problems is ridiculous. If you want to get married so badly, maybe you should join a dating service instead of a church!!!!!
Michael
Provo,Utah,
U.S.A.
It's your life. Don't blame the church.
#14Consumer Suggestion
Tue, August 23, 2005
It's kind of hard to tell what you're raving about in the above "report." Were you sober when you wrote it? Anyway, it sounds like you're blaming the church for your own problems. I don't know why you aren't married, but I think it might have something to do with the fact that you are incapable of writing a single paragraph that makes sense. I wouldn't blame the church for that.
Michael
Provo,Utah,
U.S.A.
It's your life. Don't blame the church.
#14Consumer Suggestion
Tue, August 23, 2005
It's kind of hard to tell what you're raving about in the above "report." Were you sober when you wrote it? Anyway, it sounds like you're blaming the church for your own problems. I don't know why you aren't married, but I think it might have something to do with the fact that you are incapable of writing a single paragraph that makes sense. I wouldn't blame the church for that.
Michael
Provo,Utah,
U.S.A.
It's your life. Don't blame the church.
#14Consumer Suggestion
Tue, August 23, 2005
It's kind of hard to tell what you're raving about in the above "report." Were you sober when you wrote it? Anyway, it sounds like you're blaming the church for your own problems. I don't know why you aren't married, but I think it might have something to do with the fact that you are incapable of writing a single paragraph that makes sense. I wouldn't blame the church for that.
Steven
Henderson,Nevada,
U.S.A.
If the LDS Church is so called caring why am I left out
#14Author of original report
Sat, August 20, 2005
I have been a member all my life, My Great Grandmother had a Grandfather that had a nephew named Joseph Smith Jr. that wrote the Book of Mormon. Most of people I went to church with married and have nice things, I never had a girlfriend to go places with. When I was part of the single adult ward and activities in the LDS church, they were too busy or for uninterested in me and they did very little activities, yet far more than at this family ward. They made me leave the single adult ward when I was 30 years old. I thought I would learn how to be married, I prayed for over 30 years, I'm still nowhere closer. When I went to church I thought I would find good people, somewhere troublemakers and pranksters other ignored me, sure they could be nice, its a greeting. When I passed the Sacrament once, I remember from the past, I'm someone to ignore, I was suprised they were in a trance, I walk in front of them, nothing until I reached the middle, then I realize now they want, and the ones I skipped, saw they would, said I skipped them, I felt a deception at work. Without a job I have no friends, just mostly friendly people I buy things from. They can make me welcome at church, yet I'm nothing and someone to ignore. I asked them at church about marriage, they said if I don't get married when I'm alive, they marry after I'm dead to someone. What good is it to be dead and married when I can't enjoy it, just someway to coverup another one of there faults.