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Complaint Review: legaldebtcure.com

legaldebtcure.com NEW CCDN SITE FORMED BY PHIL MANGER OF THE CORRUPT NETWORK OF ROBERT K LOCK JR OF CHICAGO Monroe Connecticut

  • Reported By:
    SADDLE RIVER New Jersey
  • Submitted:
    Sat, June 06, 2009
  • Updated:
    Mon, July 27, 2009
  • legaldebtcure.com
    http://www.legaldebtcure.com/
    Monroe, Connecticut
    U.S.A.
  • Phone:
    800-715-5331
  • Category:

I recently received an email asking me if i was connected to the a website by the name of http://www.legaldebtcure.com. I looked a it and saw it was a Richard Russ and Gregg Britt handy work. There canned website template is easily recognized.

Now that the CCDN Scam is widely known and being prosecuted in many state and federal court houses they must consistently come up with new names
This one : http://www.legaldebtcure.com/ is the new name being used to sell the old garbage " educational templates" used to supposedly hold off debt collectors
This game is old already and i am surprised they are still selling this garbage

Unfortunately the economy is so bad and many are in dire straits People may fall for this and i continue to report to the public as a warning not to get involved with these scammers i guess they can't get a new life so they still sell this worthless scam
i can be reached : (((Redacted)))
Please note they never mention on the site CCDN
But if you listen to the so called testimonials you here the true bandits CCDN are behind this

I believe Phil Manger co founder of CCDN and His Son are involved in this one

Credit defense league
SADDLE RIVER, New Jersey
U.S.A.


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2 Updates & Rebuttals


Mark J.

Omaha,
Nebraska,
U.S.A.

CCDN - Credit Collections Defense Network - Debt Jurisprudence - Credit Defense League - Credit Card Solution

#3Consumer Comment

Mon, July 27, 2009

CCDN an all the other so-called debt elimination companies can all be summed up in one word: SCAMS

They all use special monikers to call their programs such as:
Debt Elimination
Debt Invalidation
Debt Resolution
Debt Reconciliation
list goes on and on.

Their so-called program only accomplish 2 things:
1) The get you the consumer into deep, deep trouble (Yes you will be sued)
2) Make themselves a TON of money by charging high upfront fee's.

The "Credit Card Debt Termination, Elimination, Invalidation" Scam


"Legally terminate credit card debt! You can be debt-free in 4-6 months!" Advertisements like this are for a new type of program that has spread via the Internet over the past few years. It's called "Credit Card Debt Termination," and victims are paying up to $3,500 and more for this bogus service. In this article, I'll review the principles behind this program and explain exactly why it's a scam to be avoided.

First, let's get our definitions straight. The scheme I'm describing here should not be confused with Debt Consolidation or Debt Settlement (also known as Debt Negotiation), both of which are legitimate and ethical methods for debt resolution. The easiest way to distinguish the Credit Card Debt Termination scam from other valid programs is based on the central claim that you really don't owe any money!

With Debt Consolidation, you pay back all of your debt balances. With Debt Settlement, you pay back a lower amount (usually around 50%) while the creditor agrees to forgive the remaining balance. However, with the bogus Credit Card Debt Termination program, promoters claim that you won't need to pay anything at all (except their outrageous fees, naturally). They make the surprising claim that you can legally wipe away your debts simply by using their super-duper magic documents. Based on some legal mumbo-jumbo, the claim is made that you really didn't borrow any money from your creditors!

In order to understand this scam, a little background is necessary. Remember the tax protest movement back in the 1970s? People were claiming that the IRS tax collection system was unconstitutional, and based on their misinterpretation of the tax code, they refused to pay taxes. The IRS came down hard on the tax protest movement, and through the court system, they blew holes in all the legal arguments put forth by the protesters. The Credit Card Debt Termination scam is a lot like the tax protest movement. In fact, among collection professionals, it's called the "monetary protest movement."

Just like the tax protest movement, there is a common theme that runs through all of the promotional materials issued by the monetary protestors. The basic idea is that our Federal Reserve monetary system and generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP) do not permit banks to loan out their own money. Therefore, according to their interpretation, the credit card banks are the ones running the scam on the American public.

Stay with me here, because the logic is pretty strange. If a bank cannot lend its own money, how does a credit card bank extend credit? The claim here is that your credit card agreement itself becomes a form of money (known as a promissory note) the moment you sign it. The idea is that the bank "deposits" your agreement as an asset on their books, and then any credit you use is offset as a liability against that asset. In other words, the core concept here is that you literally borrowed your own money from the credit card bank.

So let's say your balance with ABC Credit Card Bank is $10,000, which you borrowed against the card to make everyday purchases. The scam promoters say all you need to do is notify the bank that you want your original "deposit" back. However, you will permit the bank to offset the amount you borrowed against the amount you have on "deposit." Presto! You don't owe the balance anymore!

Now, as you can imagine, the banks don't take kindly to such tactics. Many of the consumers using this technique are getting sued by their creditors. But the scammers have more tricks available, as if the "smoke and mirrors" financial nonsense wasn't enough. One of their techniques is the use of bogus "arbitration" forums. Arbitration is of course a legitimate system that allows businesses and individuals to resolve disputes without going to court. What do the scammers do? They coach people on how to set up a fake arbitration forum, for the express purpose of making a dispute against their creditors! Naturally, the creditors will not send representatives to some non-existent arbitration forum, so the consumer gets to rubber-stamp their own arbitration award. If they get sued in a regular court, they present their bogus award to the judge in the hopes that the creditor's lawsuit will be dismissed.

There are other techniques used by promoters of this scheme, but the key point to remember is the central claim that your credit card debt does not really exist. Of course, it's all nonsense based on a misinterpretation of our monetary system, and if you step back and think about for a minute, the truth seems pretty obvious. What these scammers are saying is that the entire $700 billion credit card industry is operating on an illegal basis! Even if the legal theory used by the promoters were true (which it isn't), do you think for a moment the government would allow this giant industry to go under? That's exactly what would happen if the promoter's claims were proven true and used on a widespread basis.

The Federal Trade Commission, which has jurisdiction here, hasn't stomped on these con artists yet, but it's only a matter of time. Unfortunately, in the meanwhile, consumers are being bilked out of millions of dollars for a worthless program that will only get them into deep trouble with their creditors. If you are approached by someone offering to wipe away your debts using this system, I strongly recommend you run in the other direction while you hold on tightly to your wallet or purse.

Remember, you can eliminate your debts if you take a disciplined approach to your finances, make a budget and stick to it, and don't use your credit cards unless you can pay off new balances in full each month.

Good luck in your financial future!


Mark J.

Omaha,
Nebraska,
U.S.A.

www.legaldebtcure.com is the NEW CCDN Website - Charles Manger - Phil Manger

#3Consumer Comment

Thu, June 18, 2009

The above report ia 100% accurate.

Legal Debt Cure is the new home of the Credit Collection Defense Network or CCDN as they are known.

From what I have uncovered, all the same marketers are still with them, just the name CCDN is hiding.

Phil Manger
Robert Lock
Richard Russ
Greg Britt
R&G Marketing
Charles Manger
John Hagenstein

Lawsuits have been filed against them in several states.

Be very careful if you so choose to do business with them!

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