Complaint Review: Lighthouse Newfoundlands

For those interested, Lighthouse Newfoundlands has recently (12-2013) changed its name and is now doing business as "Midnight Runners Newfoundland Kennel."

I will leave it to the reader to ask why a kennel that claims to be ethical and even "prestigious" would suddenly change its business name.

FYI, Christina from Canada (Opening Heaven's Doors) did not write the original ROR, nor did Sandi from Forestview.  Lisa has so many enemies and has screwed so many people over (the list is so long she is grasping at straws to find out who wrote it and blaming the wrong people).  It was written by another US breeder, all told in it is the truth, and everything in the rebuttal from Christina is the truth.  It is the same story over and over, with Lisa and other people (now everyone is comparing notes and finding out she is like this to everyone). 

Lisa, I suggest you stop...you keep digging a hole bigger and bigger and making yourself look even worse in everyone's eyes.  It is all going around with Newfoundland breeders and they all know you and your reputation and just laughing at how you are making yourself look worse.  The latest blog on your website looks horrible to.  If I were a potential customer...I would run like the wind if I saw that.  It is only drawing attention to what a horrible and sick person you are and they will research and find more out.

NB

First off I am shocked this report is up and accusing me of writing these reports. I dont have time for such immature BS. I have been extremely good friends with Lisa Martens for 4 years, numerous times we called each other sisters, I have never bashed Lisa Martens, when we parted ways we promised each other we would never post crap about each other on the internet, well I guess LISA you have broken your promise.
 
I am not going to be like you and bash your kennel or your dogs for I dont care who you sell to or what breeders are next on your list to scam, the only reason why I am even replying to this BS is to let people read my side

POSTED: Wednesday, August 01, 2012
First off, I think ROR is dangerous.  It is not a credible site.  It would seem that anyone can write or accuse anyone of anything.  This all started with Sandra Messmer, AKA, Forestview Farms, and Christina Hartley, with Heaven On Earth Bernese Mountain Dogs and Newfoundlands. 

First off I never wrote any of these reports read them again, I do Not live in the USA so how can I be stealing your customers? And have people driving 3 hours to get pups, shake your head
 
 Messmer let me take the hit for one of HER OWN rip off reports, and finally came forward after all her puppets slandered my good name.
 
As for the hit on forestview rip off it was your puppet sandi Tocco and your new boyfriend Ken from Loveland who went after sandi and caused you to have your name said for everyone knows you were behind these reports, You caused that YOURSELF, your plan to hurt Sandi Backfired!! I have never met anyone in my life that has as many Problems as you do or has so Many people hating you
Why cant you get along with anyone and why are you always saying nasty things about people, your 51 years old we are not in elementary school anymore!!
 
refused to SELL Christina Hartley pups, who resides in Red Deer, AB, Canada for my own reasons. 
 
Refused to sell me dogs are you kidding? She demanded I take her Landseer pups because it was Vanessaa Last Litter and I would be Crazy not to take the pup, 1 week before they were ready to go she had a falling out with her boyfriend Doug who was her toby and did the shipping, she called Sandi and said I do not want to ship and I am going to make up a story so I dont have to get up early and do it. 
 
I am Not at all mad I didnt get the pup like Lisa thinks I am, in fact I was relieved and finally was done with Lighthouse Newfoundlands and her problems and how everything has to be About her, gets tiring after 4 years
I do have dogs from here Kennel but not going to stoop to her level and bash them, I Love my dogs no matter where they came from

 had hooked Christina Hartley up with Sandra Messmer a few years ago, but they had a falling out, but they hooked back up after I refused to sell her my puppies. 

Hooked me up? I knew of Sandi but had never spoken with her until June 2012. Lisa had told me horrendous things about Sandi (her true friend)  and I believed her and truly Hated Sandi, but in June I finally called Sandi, wasnt sure what kind of person she was after all of Lisa Martens stories but I was about to find out if she was the monster Lisa led me to believe and low and behold she was a Very Nice lady who truly cares about her dogs. Then she told me some stories she had heard about me I was shocked, for 2 years she had been playing Sandi and me against each other like she does to everyone, so glad I called to find out the real truth
Funny how things work out in the end, if you wouldnt of tried to scam and lie to me one last time I would of never called Sandi and wouldn't of known what I know now
 I Always knew one day you would stab me in the back for your word means nothing. You are not capable of being a good friend, you even bash your Own family like who does that? Must be terrible having that much hate, no wonder you dont sleep at night
Oh and Lisa dont worry Sandi and I are not buddies or a Great Couple, I have talked to her twice on the phone and that was that, so no worries

These two women are very vindictive, and make a great couple.  Messmer actually had the audacity to call my own mother. 
 
Wow are you twisting this stuff around, Lisa is 51 years old and when she gets in trouble she gets her Mom to call the people, and in this case she had called Sandi and left a message on Sandis answering machine, telling her to leave her daughter alone when Sandi had done nothing and then commented  Sandi was too much of a Mamby Pamby to call her back, Sandi did call her back and told her Mother the truth about her daughter and what she has done over the years to people
Of course it was a waste of time, after her hearing Lisas Lies all her life it was like talking to a brick wall
 
 
 I have a saved e-mail from Messmer telling me she was going to retaliate.  Christina Hartley has a way of getting people caught into her web, because she's only capable of having one friend at a time. 
 
Trust me Lisa I have several emails and pictures too, do you really want to go down this road?
I have several friends it is you who can only have one friend at a time, because your selfish and have never been able to share
You were always jealous of my kids, for you thought I should be spending all my time with you and no one else
 
She's also used to getting her own way.  I said no, and now she is pissed.  I really don't care what this report states above, because it is ALL FALSE.  Christina is the person who buys puppies from Sandi Messmer and sells them in Canada.  I am really tired of getting accused of these false reports. 

Again I did Not write this report, why would I? I dont care what you do, I dont care who you screw over!
Most of the reports I read are your true character, most of the breeders have probably just had enough of you and are finally standing up for themselves but of course under fake names like you do so they dont get a rip off on them full of lies
 
Lisa youre the most self centered person I have ever met, you think the world should revolve around you, you screw people over on a daily basis but never think you have done anything wrong, one day Karma will come knocking and will disagree with you
 
And Yes I have bought a few Brown pups from Sandi to keep for myself and yes they are true brown newfoundlands

My dogs are not matted, have health clearances, and I put my heart and soul into loving and caring for my dogs.  This isn't going to stop here: I know it.  These women are very vindictive and hurtful. 

Neither one of us are bothering you but you insist on slandering us? Read the rip off above I dont live anywhere near you, this post is from another breeder you pissed off. If I was vindictive wouldnt I be telling the world what your really about? What you have done over the years to breeders and pet people? Showing pictures on here you have sent me and asking me to promise not to show anyone? Do you see pictures? I told you months ago I will not cause you any problems but you couldnt leave sleeping dogs alone, life would be boring if you didnt stir up s**t all the time

I have a police report filed on Messmer, Forestview Farms, and Heaven On Earth.  I also have an attorney, gals, but Messmer thinks she own Hardin County, and perhaps she does.  

News to me, wouldnt I have been notified if I did? And what have we done to get a police report? You lie so much that you believe you own lies
Attorney now thats funny, is it that freebie guy you had for the last time you were in trouble?
I dont have a lawyer, do you think I need one? Not sure how far your going to go on this slandering rampage but let me know so I have time to find a good Lawyer
 
 A Breeder of Merit isn't an easy feat. 

Most breeders on puppyfind have breeder of Merit, here are the requirements so get off your high horse
AKC Breeder of Merit
Requirements

Has a history of at least 5 years involvement with AKC events.
Earned at least 4 Conformation, Performance or Companion event titles on dogs they bred/co-bred.
Member of an AKC club.
Certifies that applicable health screens are performed on your breeding stock as recommended by the Parent Club.
Demonstrates a commitment to ensuring 100% of the puppies produced are AKC registered.
All this says is that you register your dogs, you had at least 4 people earned some sort of title, you have health screening which is hips not heart on most of your dogs, big deal!! How can this be work unless you mean work keeping the award
Guess if I told them I am still waiting for AKC papers on my 3 year old Juliet and Raven which is 1 year they would be pissed? But I know your going to send them out right away so no need for AKC to know and you can keep your merit award
 
 The person who wrote this obviously doesn't know what it takes to become a Breeder of Merit. 
 
See above

 I know whomever wrote this is LYING, because I know all the breeders in Ohio.  Not one of my dogs has ever ended up in rescue, because I prescreen all potential puppy buyers.  I stay in touch with EVERYONE of my puppy buyers.

Oh so now your saying to whomever wrote this? Shouldnt you of figured that out before you bashed my name and kennel?
Maybe the Poster isnt from Ohio?

In 2006, Messmer and I did have a major falling out, in which I am not at liberty to disclose the details.  My BAD for forgiving her, being the person I am.  I do not like arguing with other people. 

You Love arguing and keeping the fire going, this is what you live for
To make this long story short, Messmer sued you and you settled out of court and wrote her a check, forgiving Sandi for trying to get some of her money back you scammed her out of? Sounds like she made the mistake of forgiving youjust a thought

 All these reports on me are filed from breeders who have too much hate in their souls. 

Your are  the only one who hates and just wont let anything go, first it was Julie at wind dancer newfoundlands then Sandi at Forest view farms, Bob at Thanksgiving puppies and the list goes on and on. Again I just wanted to be left alone and not have my name on this report but again you just cant walk away!!
I am not going to bash your kennel, nor am I going to warn people about you, let them figure all that out on their own like I did
I have never been to your place so if I said I knew anything about your kennel or how your dogs are housed I would only be guessing from the pictures you have sent me
 
You have far too much time on your hands and way too much hate in your empty soul
 
In one report, someone said that I "bought" puppies and sold them as my own.  You're kidding me right?  First of all, I have OCD, and wouldn't let a strange litter of pups in my kennel. 


You use to get your poor boyfriend Doug to pick them up and keep them at his house until He could ship them out for you, who does that for you now?
 
 
 Also, "I Hate Taco", who is clearly Christina, wrote that I "borrowed" money.  If I'm poor, how in the world could I buy a litter of pups? 

I had to go read that rip off again for I had no idea what you are talking about, from what I understand you taco friend buys Sandis litters and gives them away for Free, dont think anyone was saying it was you but who knows not my fight and I dont care
 
As for being poor that is what you always said to me. I cant pay my bills, My brothers wife keeps calling me for the rent money, I need to call My Mom for Money
 
Several times I gave you money when you were having a rough time, thank god I never needed money for I would of starved if I had asked you for money
 
 
That makes ZERO sense.  You also state that "good people" are getting hurt.  Who, me?  Because that's who you are attacking.  Messmer FINALLY came forward after 11 posts on her own ROR, after having her puppets defame me. 

Really? Sandi had a rip off in April from who knows, then Taco got involved and posted twice under Forestviews rip off, then you had your new boyfriend Ken from Loveland post so your puppets were the one who caught you in that war brought on by yourself telling her to bash forestview yet again! Karma backfired

Trust me, I've known her for years and I know how she LOVES to manipulate.  I
 
Really? I have known her for 2 months and I think she is a nice lady that just wants to Also be left alone, which you can not understand, you have brought all this on yourself for your Not happy until the whole world is fighting
 
The 4 hours I talked to her on the phone she never tried to manipulate me so maybe it was just you
 
 don't have puppets: I have true friends. 
 
True Friends? You dont even know what a true friend is which is so sad. You think it is so funny to hurt people, I have seen your facebook, when things don't go your way then you play games on Rip Off and try to defame them, you use people like toilet paper and discard when finished You cannot treat people the way you do without reports like this. People have feelings and work hard to establish web sites and breeding lines, then you bash them on here and make up lies and you think people won't get mad, no you have no idea what a True friend is...
 
 AND FYI: Messmer has TWO Rip Off Reports, not one.  You girls really need to get a life because this is pure wickedness and evil. 
 
See here you are again trying to hurt Sandi by saying she has 2 Not 1 rip off? Even had to get Taco to go back on her rip off and state she has 2 rip offs and attach the link, now who does this crap? Why are you all so evil? How many rip offs do you have?

People are dying of cancer, losing their homes, and we have major problems in our country right now.  What is WITH you breeders?  Are you that desperate and so engulfed with utter hate and contempt?
 
Couldnt of said that any better!! So why are you on Rip Off trying to hurt people?
Take care Lisa  

First off, I think ROR is dangerous.  It is not a credible site.  It would seem that anyone can write or accuse anyone of anything.  This all started with Sandra Messmer, AKA, Forestview Farms, and Christina Hartley, with Heaven On Earth Bernese Mountain Dogs and Newfoundlands.  Messmer let me take the hit for one of HER OWN rip off reports, and finally came forward after all her puppets slandered my good name. I refused to SELL Christina Hartley pups, who resides in Red Deer, AB, Canada for my own reasons.  I had hooked Christina Hartley up with Sandra Messmer a few years ago, but they had a falling out, but they hooked back up after I refused to sell her my puppies.  These two women are very vindictive, and make a great couple.  Messmer actually had the audacity to call my own mother.  I have a saved e-mail from Messmer telling me she was going to retaliate.  Christina Hartley has a way of getting people caught into her web, because she's only capable of having one friend at a time.  She's also used to getting her own way.  I said no, and now she is pissed.  I really don't care what this report states above, because it is ALL FALSE.  Christina is the person who buys puppies from Sandi Messmer and sells them in Canada.  I am really tired of getting accused of these false reports.  My dogs are not matted, have health clearances, and I put my heart and soul into loving and caring for my dogs.  This isn't going to stop here: I know it.  These women are very vindictive and hurtful.  I have a police report filed on Messmer, Forestview Farms, and Heaven On Earth.  I also have an attorney, gals, but Messmer thinks she own Hardin County, and perhaps she does.   A Breeder of Merit isn't an easy feat.  The person who wrote this obviously doesn't know what it takes to become a Breeder of Merit.  I know whomever wrote this is LYING, because I know all the breeders in Ohio.  Not one of my dogs has ever ended up in rescue, because I prescreen all potential puppy buyers.  I stay in touch with EVERYONE of my puppy buyers.

In 2006, Messmer and I did have a major falling out, in which I am not at liberty to disclose the details.  My BAD for forgiving her, being the person I am.  I do not like arguing with other people.  All these reports on me are filed from breeders who have too much hate in their souls.  In one report, someone said that I "bought" puppies and sold them as my own.  You're kidding me right?  First of all, I have OCD, and wouldn't let a strange litter of pups in my kennel.  Also, "I Hate Taco", who is clearly Christina, wrote that I "borrowed" money.  If I'm poor, how in the world could I buy a litter of pups?  That makes ZERO sense.  You also state that "good people" are getting hurt.  Who, me?  Because that's who you are attacking.  Messmer FINALLY came forward after 11 posts on her own ROR, after having her puppets defame me.  Trust me, I've known her for years and I know how she LOVES to manipulate.  I don't have puppets: I have true friends.  AND FYI: Messmer has TWO Rip Off Reports, not one.  You girls really need to get a life because this is pure wickedness and evil. 

People are dying of cancer, losing their homes, and we have major problems in our country right now.  What is WITH you breeders?  Are you that desperate and so engulfed with utter hate and contempt?

Lisa
Lighthouse Newfoundlands