Complaint Review: Martin Schiel

I was searching Ripoff Report for the company "TEKsystems, Inc." based in Hanover, MD.

This "thread" concerning the company "DISA / Tinker Air Force Base" appeared as one of the complaints filed.

I believe that this "thread" has been filed under the wrong company, and should be corrected. Thank you.

I really enjoyed your posts. Thanks for reminding me that I am not so bad off. First, Billy Idol blows Madonna away. Second, If you are taking drugs stop, and if you are not, start. Forget the psychologist, you need a psychiatrist. You need some serious medication. I feel a little badfor wasting part of my life reading this thread.

"While Lashon Hara causes damage to the subject (in reputation, finances, emotional anguish or otherwise), Rechilut causes hatred toward the subject, or between the listener and the subject. "

Therefore I apologize and withdraw every word I have said on RipOffReport.com

I believe that I am required to do this.

The End.

Kary D. Pace

P.S. I started this in Cogar, Oklahoma which is near Minco, Oklahoma. Cogar is too small to have a postoffice, we used a Minco Address. I moved to San Jose, California in October and did not immediately update my address. I also used a Glendale Address, but I was never in Glendale. I wanted to see if the updates would appear. I was in San Jose, California when the Glendale address appears.

P.S.S. I am not claiming to be Jewish but I do believe I have to go by this law I have quoted above.

Since this is a "Religious" holiday approaching, it seems very important to add that my reference to "G-d" telling me something is not necessarily accurate. I don't know what the rain really signifies as described above. It could be a coincidence. It is possible that nothing supernatural happened there in particular. I simply do not know. It might be true; It might not be true. I can not insist on telling anyone what "G-d" said.
I am using a Stricter Jewish spelling of the "Name" for respect. However, I am not Jewish. The strict idea is that you are not supposed to spell the "Name" or even utter it. This does not make me popular with those who want to yell it at you and force it upon you. I didn't particularly know how to get away from that; however, I disagree with people like Pastor John Hagee who scream that "You have no right!". This is something I never forgot. It may be out of context but this is a rather poor thing to yell at a congregation. I don't listen anymore but I do recall he had some good jokes. All the televangelists are very good at "working an audience". However, in some ways, I prefer "PURE HOLLYWOOD" because at least they don't try to convince you that it is all real. We know it's not all real. It's a movie. Likewise, everything on T.V. isn't real just because some said Jesus or G-d. Saying the "Name" never makes the speaker automatically right, but since 1979, a lot of us have gone along with all this. I didn't need it prior to 1979, so why do I need them now. There were Churches then and there still are. You don't have to be on television. I want back my own life and the best thing I can remember prior to 1979 was Star Trek! :)

I'm not claiming to be "Religious" at all. I hope the people at RipOffReport will publish this addition because it is merely my way of showing respect for "G-d", whoever you think it is. I have my ideas and you have yours. I can't explain it and I'm not here to quote scripture. I'm not a preacher. After being in San Jose, I've returned more to the respectful self that I was back when I was in Physics School in Edmond, OK. Back then, I would never say what "G-d" supposedly had said. I think I was correct to be that way. During the interim, I have seen a lot of televangelism. These things are "Taught". People are not born saying things like this, they are "Taught" to say them. I think I was "Taught" by television. Too much T.V. I think.

It is my responsibility now to explain why I might have said anything about "G-d". My explanation is that I "learned it" from televangelists.

Fortunately here, I haven't hurt anyone by saying what I said. No one is harmed by whether this prediction about London comes true or not. But it is important to state that I have not yet come up with an infallible method for knowing exactly what "G-d" wants; except of course for the things written in the Bible, provided you believe that this is what "G-d" actually said. I'm not here to preach about that. It seems to me very likely that if "G-d" said things that are recorded in the Bible, then "G-d" didn't stop saying things, but I don't want to hold the responsibility for telling anyone what it is because I don't want to held accountable for saying something that "G-d" did not say.

Again, this report is very emotional at points and I want to show that I'm reasonable.

Thanks,

Kary Pace
12-22-05

Thanks for listening.

Since this is a "Religious" holiday approaching, it seems very important to add that my reference to "G-d" telling me something is not necessarily accurate. I don't know what the rain really signifies as described above. It could be a coincidence. It is possible that nothing supernatural happened there in particular. I simply do not know. It might be true; It might not be true. I can not insist on telling anyone what "G-d" said.
I am using a Stricter Jewish spelling of the "Name" for respect. However, I am not Jewish. The strict idea is that you are not supposed to spell the "Name" or even utter it. This does not make me popular with those who want to yell it at you and force it upon you. I didn't particularly know how to get away from that; however, I disagree with people like Pastor John Hagee who scream that "You have no right!". This is something I never forgot. It may be out of context but this is a rather poor thing to yell at a congregation. I don't listen anymore but I do recall he had some good jokes. All the televangelists are very good at "working an audience". However, in some ways, I prefer "PURE HOLLYWOOD" because at least they don't try to convince you that it is all real. We know it's not all real. It's a movie. Likewise, everything on T.V. isn't real just because some said Jesus or G-d. Saying the "Name" never makes the speaker automatically right, but since 1979, a lot of us have gone along with all this. I didn't need it prior to 1979, so why do I need them now. There were Churches then and there still are. You don't have to be on television. I want back my own life and the best thing I can remember prior to 1979 was Star Trek! :)

I'm not claiming to be "Religious" at all. I hope the people at RipOffReport will publish this addition because it is merely my way of showing respect for "G-d", whoever you think it is. I have my ideas and you have yours. I can't explain it and I'm not here to quote scripture. I'm not a preacher. After being in San Jose, I've returned more to the respectful self that I was back when I was in Physics School in Edmond, OK. Back then, I would never say what "G-d" supposedly had said. I think I was correct to be that way. During the interim, I have seen a lot of televangelism. These things are "Taught". People are not born saying things like this, they are "Taught" to say them. I think I was "Taught" by television. Too much T.V. I think.

It is my responsibility now to explain why I might have said anything about "G-d". My explanation is that I "learned it" from televangelists.

Fortunately here, I haven't hurt anyone by saying what I said. No one is harmed by whether this prediction about London comes true or not. But it is important to state that I have not yet come up with an infallible method for knowing exactly what "G-d" wants; except of course for the things written in the Bible, provided you believe that this is what "G-d" actually said. I'm not here to preach about that. It seems to me very likely that if "G-d" said things that are recorded in the Bible, then "G-d" didn't stop saying things, but I don't want to hold the responsibility for telling anyone what it is because I don't want to held accountable for saying something that "G-d" did not say.

Again, this report is very emotional at points and I want to show that I'm reasonable.

Thanks,

Kary Pace
12-22-05

Thanks for listening.

Since this is a "Religious" holiday approaching, it seems very important to add that my reference to "G-d" telling me something is not necessarily accurate. I don't know what the rain really signifies as described above. It could be a coincidence. It is possible that nothing supernatural happened there in particular. I simply do not know. It might be true; It might not be true. I can not insist on telling anyone what "G-d" said.
I am using a Stricter Jewish spelling of the "Name" for respect. However, I am not Jewish. The strict idea is that you are not supposed to spell the "Name" or even utter it. This does not make me popular with those who want to yell it at you and force it upon you. I didn't particularly know how to get away from that; however, I disagree with people like Pastor John Hagee who scream that "You have no right!". This is something I never forgot. It may be out of context but this is a rather poor thing to yell at a congregation. I don't listen anymore but I do recall he had some good jokes. All the televangelists are very good at "working an audience". However, in some ways, I prefer "PURE HOLLYWOOD" because at least they don't try to convince you that it is all real. We know it's not all real. It's a movie. Likewise, everything on T.V. isn't real just because some said Jesus or G-d. Saying the "Name" never makes the speaker automatically right, but since 1979, a lot of us have gone along with all this. I didn't need it prior to 1979, so why do I need them now. There were Churches then and there still are. You don't have to be on television. I want back my own life and the best thing I can remember prior to 1979 was Star Trek! :)

I'm not claiming to be "Religious" at all. I hope the people at RipOffReport will publish this addition because it is merely my way of showing respect for "G-d", whoever you think it is. I have my ideas and you have yours. I can't explain it and I'm not here to quote scripture. I'm not a preacher. After being in San Jose, I've returned more to the respectful self that I was back when I was in Physics School in Edmond, OK. Back then, I would never say what "G-d" supposedly had said. I think I was correct to be that way. During the interim, I have seen a lot of televangelism. These things are "Taught". People are not born saying things like this, they are "Taught" to say them. I think I was "Taught" by television. Too much T.V. I think.

It is my responsibility now to explain why I might have said anything about "G-d". My explanation is that I "learned it" from televangelists.

Fortunately here, I haven't hurt anyone by saying what I said. No one is harmed by whether this prediction about London comes true or not. But it is important to state that I have not yet come up with an infallible method for knowing exactly what "G-d" wants; except of course for the things written in the Bible, provided you believe that this is what "G-d" actually said. I'm not here to preach about that. It seems to me very likely that if "G-d" said things that are recorded in the Bible, then "G-d" didn't stop saying things, but I don't want to hold the responsibility for telling anyone what it is because I don't want to held accountable for saying something that "G-d" did not say.

Again, this report is very emotional at points and I want to show that I'm reasonable.

Thanks,

Kary Pace
12-22-05

Thanks for listening.

Since this is a "Religious" holiday approaching, it seems very important to add that my reference to "G-d" telling me something is not necessarily accurate. I don't know what the rain really signifies as described above. It could be a coincidence. It is possible that nothing supernatural happened there in particular. I simply do not know. It might be true; It might not be true. I can not insist on telling anyone what "G-d" said.
I am using a Stricter Jewish spelling of the "Name" for respect. However, I am not Jewish. The strict idea is that you are not supposed to spell the "Name" or even utter it. This does not make me popular with those who want to yell it at you and force it upon you. I didn't particularly know how to get away from that; however, I disagree with people like Pastor John Hagee who scream that "You have no right!". This is something I never forgot. It may be out of context but this is a rather poor thing to yell at a congregation. I don't listen anymore but I do recall he had some good jokes. All the televangelists are very good at "working an audience". However, in some ways, I prefer "PURE HOLLYWOOD" because at least they don't try to convince you that it is all real. We know it's not all real. It's a movie. Likewise, everything on T.V. isn't real just because some said Jesus or G-d. Saying the "Name" never makes the speaker automatically right, but since 1979, a lot of us have gone along with all this. I didn't need it prior to 1979, so why do I need them now. There were Churches then and there still are. You don't have to be on television. I want back my own life and the best thing I can remember prior to 1979 was Star Trek! :)

I'm not claiming to be "Religious" at all. I hope the people at RipOffReport will publish this addition because it is merely my way of showing respect for "G-d", whoever you think it is. I have my ideas and you have yours. I can't explain it and I'm not here to quote scripture. I'm not a preacher. After being in San Jose, I've returned more to the respectful self that I was back when I was in Physics School in Edmond, OK. Back then, I would never say what "G-d" supposedly had said. I think I was correct to be that way. During the interim, I have seen a lot of televangelism. These things are "Taught". People are not born saying things like this, they are "Taught" to say them. I think I was "Taught" by television. Too much T.V. I think.

It is my responsibility now to explain why I might have said anything about "G-d". My explanation is that I "learned it" from televangelists.

Fortunately here, I haven't hurt anyone by saying what I said. No one is harmed by whether this prediction about London comes true or not. But it is important to state that I have not yet come up with an infallible method for knowing exactly what "G-d" wants; except of course for the things written in the Bible, provided you believe that this is what "G-d" actually said. I'm not here to preach about that. It seems to me very likely that if "G-d" said things that are recorded in the Bible, then "G-d" didn't stop saying things, but I don't want to hold the responsibility for telling anyone what it is because I don't want to held accountable for saying something that "G-d" did not say.

Again, this report is very emotional at points and I want to show that I'm reasonable.

Thanks,

Kary Pace
12-22-05

Thanks for listening.

This KARY person has two personalities, one lives in San Jose CA and one lives in Minco OK.

Posts on the same day in two different headings are being done in two different cities.

See the U.S. Navy post vs this Martin Schiel post a few up from this one.

This is scary. Professional help is really in order here!

I will close this with some of the closure I used with the Navy Report. I repeat some of it for your convenience here.

***text of Navy Closure***
I would like to Close this Report with a Phrase that I used back in Oklahoma City this last summer. I didn't exactly say it without passion. It was extremely passionate. The phrase was this:

"Her name is Oracle and She's not mine!"

Tonight while people were singing Christmas Carols to me, I thought of the following story that I read long ago.

This is used from the Federation of Jewish Communities of Western Connecticut website. I think it is fair use to reproduce this story here.

Rosh Hashana By Rabbi Mark Diamond

Rabbi Israel Meir Kagen was one of the giants of nineteenth century Jewish life. Popularly known as the Hafetz Hayim, he was renowned for his saintly character. On one occasion, a student of the Hafetz Hayim was arrested on a false accusation. The defense attorney thought that it would help his client if the great rabbi would testify on his behalf. Before calling him to the stand, the attorney told the judge a few things about the rabbi. "Do you know what the Jews say about him, Your Honor? That one day he came home and found a thief ransacking his house. When the thief saw the rabbi, he ran to the street, clutching some money and valuable items. But the rabbi ran after him, shouting: 'I declare all of my property hefker, ownerless,' in order that the thief would not be guilty of stealing anything."
***End of Navy text****

But another point is that war machines are something that it is fundamentally against my nature to work on. There was a time when I actually was involved with the Ground Launched Cruise Missile. I've changed and today I would not work on that. It was Nuclear Capable at the time I worked on it. I am not in favor of Nuclear Weapons but I do not "Preach" about it to people. However, I support actors like Mr. Michael Douglas who are very outspoken on this subject. They are a great danger.

I wish the people well who are able to work with these things and I don't mean them any harm at all. It is simply a matter of me being somewhere that I don't really belong. That's about it.

Happy Holidays,

Steve Jobs said at Stanford University that getting fired from Apple was the best thing that ever happened. You can look it up on Yahoo.

Well, maybe it was best for me to get fired from Tinker.

Thanks,

Merry Christmas.

December 2nd, 2005 - San Jose, California
Messages sent to TekSystems about a job as an Oracle DBA
in Las Vegas...

Dear Amit,

No thanks, I don't do Oracle anymore.
I'll amend my resume so I don't have this problem anymore.
Sorry again.

Thanks anyway,

Dear Amit,

No need to respond to this but I wanted to clear up any misapprehension. I'm not actively seeking Oracle Employment. I haven't had time to amend my resumes. Sorry.

The important point is that someone was of the opinion that Mr. Ellison was behind the idea to make the $122 million settlement. That's fine. I don't know Mr. Ellison, so there is no reason for me to assume that he did anything wrong. Someone said he made the offer "Out of the goodness of his Heart". That's Great! I'm not judging anyone.

Sincerely,

Kary Pace

>>>additional comments I've been getting emails about Oracle DBA jobs for a long time now and the fact is that I'm not qualified because I don't have the experience they need.

The important thing at this point is not to be judging anyone. I was trying to use this $122 million settlement as a reason for me to stop playing around with Oracle. But as usual, it backfired and I wound up looking like the heavy. I have no idea what the details are about this investigation and I know nothing about any of it at all. Some people are saying that Mr. Ellison did absolutely nothing wrong. That's fine. I don't know. But I do know that I'm going to stop trying to get Oracle jobs. This thing is NOT ABOUT ORACLE and it is NOT ABOUT MADONNA and I don't think it is about the Government either. It is about something else that I'm not going to talk about anymore. I'm giving myself a Christmas present. NO MORE OF THIS REPORT. I'm Finished with it.

I'm sure no one will blame me at all if I get on a Plane and fly to Hawaii. Why not, it's a lot warmer. It's warmer than L.A. or Phoenix, and I don't need a PassPort either. I mean, if I can't get anything else, can't I at least have a nice warm tropical climate to be the OG* in! Maybe I can work at Labor Ready and lay around in a Hammock soaking up the Sun if I don't feel like working.

*OG is short for Old Guy in San Jose. Hey man, I'll bet you'd call William Shatner an OG too! Oh Well.


Merry Christmas,

San Jose Mercury News
Posted on Tue, Nov. 22, 2005

"REDWOOD CITY, Calif. (AP) - A California judge on Tuesday approved an unusual legal settlement that will require Oracle Corp. CEO Larry Ellison to donate $100 million to charity and pay another $22 million to the attorneys who sued him for alleged stock trading abuses -- forcing Ellison to dig deeper into his pockets than he originally wanted...."

I have to make some decision about this myself. I decided not
to have anything else to do with Oracle Software. That means
I won't be chasing after this job anymore.

I'm not here to Judge Mr. Ellison. A California Judge already
seems to have done it though there is a possible Federal Charge here as well.

I'm sorry, but Judges don't normally make a person pay $122 million dollars for no reason.

Besides, I never cared for that statement "Everyone else must lose." I just don't care for that sort of business mentality anyway.

I hope everyone is satisfied. By the way, working at Tinker Air Force Base wasn't a bad thing. It can be really nice, but everything has a reason. What the reason is...Don't try to figure it out...I haven't figured it out myself yet...So I doubt that anyone else will be able to explain it either.

Kary Pace...San Jose...December 1st, 2005.

Dear Readers,

I am no longer interested in Mr. Martin Schiel. He felt he had to do what he did. I don't have any malice at this point; however, I recently wrote to an old friend who happens to have a PhD from M.I.T. in Psychology, especially Jungian Psychology.

I have taken a message he sent me and have published it here because I resent being labeled as some sort of "Stalker". I am absolutely not any thing like that at all. I am a creative artist and my fascination with Madonna is part of my creativity.

Here is the information that I sent my friend:

1. "V"; she was a girl I knew from Brazil. I asked her to marry me in 1991. She flatly refused but she was my first "creation". I don't blame her for her refusal. I deserved it. She will be glad that I am no longer "stalking" her either! She is a lawyer in Brazil today.

2. ORACLE - This is not a computer program but represents someone I knew. She was another of my "creations" I don't really know this woman, I created her along with the fascination which I had for her. The reason I become obsessed with Larry Ellison's Oracle may have something to do with her. Her name is with-held in respect of her privacy. It might be interesting to notice that I am currently located in San Jose (Capitol of Silicon Valley) and I did in fact originally go to ORACLE Corporation and took my Music CD "Dreams" personally to ORACLE. This is part of what I wanted. It is part of what I "Created" in my mind. Larry Ellison provided something that I could not get in the "real world". I played the part out in Redwood Shores. This is a type of "acting". My journey to Chicago, Illinois for a year may also have something to do with her or with my Mother, or with Judaism. (Note, I am not saying that I'm Jewish, but that was an important reason why I went to Chicago). I got 11 stiches in my forehead over a set of ORACLE notes that someone stepped on while I was in Chicago by the way. I was extremely zealous about protecting those notes. I also noticed that Mr. Larry Ellison and Mr. Harrison Ford also come from Chicago. I do not know for sure if they have a hidden meaning here but it could be that they have some secondary meaning because of IT and entertainment desires.

3. "M" She is a very mysterious woman that I won't elaborate on but it is not Madonna. The initial "M" is a coincidence. However, I will admit right now that the reason I wouldn't stay with "M" is the same reason that I wouldn't marry Madonna. They have children and I don't want that. Madonna was actually a sort of "escape" from this woman. I didn't really plan it but it turned out that way.

4. "?" I don't know her name but she was from India. She may have been married, she had the dot on her forehead, I think that means they are married. It was a lightning like thing that didn't last very long. However, she was NO CREATION OF MINE. This was something I'll never understand. She simply did something to me when I saw her and I don't understand it. It's like I just couldn't think of anything but her, like I was very confused for a moment. I don't forget these people.

5. Madonna - I saw her picture on the cover of Vogue Magazine and for some reason I became overwhelmed by it. I don't understand why but I CREATED EVEN MORE. I kept on thinking about her and I bought all her Music and I tried to interact with her recording company by writing song lyrics. I originally wrote the song lyrics for ORACLE but ORACLE refused to listen. I think that Maverick kept some of my songs and sent back some of them but they were never very friendly with me at all. They were extremely serious business people from all my encounters with them. I don't know them at all. I don't know Madonna at all. IT IS A CREATION OF MY MIND. I consider this a talent, not a psychological issue. Madonna was the best FANTASY that I could ever create. She was PERFECT UNTIL SHE GOT MARRIED. When my Mother died, I tried to continue the Madonna fantasy but I couldn't. IT was too late now. I no longer maintain any fantasy about Madonna. She's over for me even though I still have admiration for her ability to make money and to make fascinating song lyrics, not necessarily in that order. *And there is more to this than psychology but I will not talk about deeper reality here but if you've ever seen the film E.T., then you might ask Mr. Spielberg what it is really about. END OF MADONNA EXPLANATION.

By the way, this isn't an exhaustive list of women either but these were exceptional.

For the Record: I'm tired of Religion keeping me from getting anywhere, I won't let WitchCraft, Scientology, Christianity, or Judaism or any other Religion keep me from being a Creative Artist. If I want to live in Hollywood and be an Actor, I have the right to do that no matter what some amateur psychologist thinks and I certainly don't care what the Government thinks about it. I'm not interested in going to Hollywood to be converted into a Witch. I can do that by myself if I want. Hollywood is for acting and that's all it's for. By the way, I'm not a Witch either, I created that, It's just another acting job. Enough Said!


It's all a creation, a romance. Like Romeo and Juliet. It's what I wanted and I want to get what I want as long as it doesn't bother anyone or hurt anyone else and as long as it is not illegal.

The following is the reply I got from my friend:

BEGINNING OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSE

Hello Kary,

Thank you for all you wrote about the problems you have faced
with some very interesting women.

Jung said that a man makes a projection of his inner feminine side onto a woman and what he most admires is actually a part of his own makeup. It is thus very hard to see a woman as she really is.

The contact you feel you have with Madonna - this kind of inner
connection you speak of - is very much like that Jung described.

Feel free to keep writing me about these things.

Art


END OF RESPONSE

Dear Readers,

I am no longer interested in Mr. Martin Schiel. He felt he had to do what he did. I don't have any malice at this point; however, I recently wrote to an old friend who happens to have a PhD from M.I.T. in Psychology, especially Jungian Psychology.

I have taken a message he sent me and have published it here because I resent being labeled as some sort of "Stalker". I am absolutely not any thing like that at all. I am a creative artist and my fascination with Madonna is part of my creativity.

Here is the information that I sent my friend:

1. "V"; she was a girl I knew from Brazil. I asked her to marry me in 1991. She flatly refused but she was my first "creation". I don't blame her for her refusal. I deserved it. She will be glad that I am no longer "stalking" her either! She is a lawyer in Brazil today.

2. ORACLE - This is not a computer program but represents someone I knew. She was another of my "creations" I don't really know this woman, I created her along with the fascination which I had for her. The reason I become obsessed with Larry Ellison's Oracle may have something to do with her. Her name is with-held in respect of her privacy. It might be interesting to notice that I am currently located in San Jose (Capitol of Silicon Valley) and I did in fact originally go to ORACLE Corporation and took my Music CD "Dreams" personally to ORACLE. This is part of what I wanted. It is part of what I "Created" in my mind. Larry Ellison provided something that I could not get in the "real world". I played the part out in Redwood Shores. This is a type of "acting". My journey to Chicago, Illinois for a year may also have something to do with her or with my Mother, or with Judaism. (Note, I am not saying that I'm Jewish, but that was an important reason why I went to Chicago). I got 11 stiches in my forehead over a set of ORACLE notes that someone stepped on while I was in Chicago by the way. I was extremely zealous about protecting those notes. I also noticed that Mr. Larry Ellison and Mr. Harrison Ford also come from Chicago. I do not know for sure if they have a hidden meaning here but it could be that they have some secondary meaning because of IT and entertainment desires.

3. "M" She is a very mysterious woman that I won't elaborate on but it is not Madonna. The initial "M" is a coincidence. However, I will admit right now that the reason I wouldn't stay with "M" is the same reason that I wouldn't marry Madonna. They have children and I don't want that. Madonna was actually a sort of "escape" from this woman. I didn't really plan it but it turned out that way.

4. "?" I don't know her name but she was from India. She may have been married, she had the dot on her forehead, I think that means they are married. It was a lightning like thing that didn't last very long. However, she was NO CREATION OF MINE. This was something I'll never understand. She simply did something to me when I saw her and I don't understand it. It's like I just couldn't think of anything but her, like I was very confused for a moment. I don't forget these people.

5. Madonna - I saw her picture on the cover of Vogue Magazine and for some reason I became overwhelmed by it. I don't understand why but I CREATED EVEN MORE. I kept on thinking about her and I bought all her Music and I tried to interact with her recording company by writing song lyrics. I originally wrote the song lyrics for ORACLE but ORACLE refused to listen. I think that Maverick kept some of my songs and sent back some of them but they were never very friendly with me at all. They were extremely serious business people from all my encounters with them. I don't know them at all. I don't know Madonna at all. IT IS A CREATION OF MY MIND. I consider this a talent, not a psychological issue. Madonna was the best FANTASY that I could ever create. She was PERFECT UNTIL SHE GOT MARRIED. When my Mother died, I tried to continue the Madonna fantasy but I couldn't. IT was too late now. I no longer maintain any fantasy about Madonna. She's over for me even though I still have admiration for her ability to make money and to make fascinating song lyrics, not necessarily in that order. *And there is more to this than psychology but I will not talk about deeper reality here but if you've ever seen the film E.T., then you might ask Mr. Spielberg what it is really about. END OF MADONNA EXPLANATION.

By the way, this isn't an exhaustive list of women either but these were exceptional.

For the Record: I'm tired of Religion keeping me from getting anywhere, I won't let WitchCraft, Scientology, Christianity, or Judaism or any other Religion keep me from being a Creative Artist. If I want to live in Hollywood and be an Actor, I have the right to do that no matter what some amateur psychologist thinks and I certainly don't care what the Government thinks about it. I'm not interested in going to Hollywood to be converted into a Witch. I can do that by myself if I want. Hollywood is for acting and that's all it's for. By the way, I'm not a Witch either, I created that, It's just another acting job. Enough Said!


It's all a creation, a romance. Like Romeo and Juliet. It's what I wanted and I want to get what I want as long as it doesn't bother anyone or hurt anyone else and as long as it is not illegal.

The following is the reply I got from my friend:

BEGINNING OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSE

Hello Kary,

Thank you for all you wrote about the problems you have faced
with some very interesting women.

Jung said that a man makes a projection of his inner feminine side onto a woman and what he most admires is actually a part of his own makeup. It is thus very hard to see a woman as she really is.

The contact you feel you have with Madonna - this kind of inner
connection you speak of - is very much like that Jung described.

Feel free to keep writing me about these things.

Art


END OF RESPONSE

Dear Readers,

I am no longer interested in Mr. Martin Schiel. He felt he had to do what he did. I don't have any malice at this point; however, I recently wrote to an old friend who happens to have a PhD from M.I.T. in Psychology, especially Jungian Psychology.

I have taken a message he sent me and have published it here because I resent being labeled as some sort of "Stalker". I am absolutely not any thing like that at all. I am a creative artist and my fascination with Madonna is part of my creativity.

Here is the information that I sent my friend:

1. "V"; she was a girl I knew from Brazil. I asked her to marry me in 1991. She flatly refused but she was my first "creation". I don't blame her for her refusal. I deserved it. She will be glad that I am no longer "stalking" her either! She is a lawyer in Brazil today.

2. ORACLE - This is not a computer program but represents someone I knew. She was another of my "creations" I don't really know this woman, I created her along with the fascination which I had for her. The reason I become obsessed with Larry Ellison's Oracle may have something to do with her. Her name is with-held in respect of her privacy. It might be interesting to notice that I am currently located in San Jose (Capitol of Silicon Valley) and I did in fact originally go to ORACLE Corporation and took my Music CD "Dreams" personally to ORACLE. This is part of what I wanted. It is part of what I "Created" in my mind. Larry Ellison provided something that I could not get in the "real world". I played the part out in Redwood Shores. This is a type of "acting". My journey to Chicago, Illinois for a year may also have something to do with her or with my Mother, or with Judaism. (Note, I am not saying that I'm Jewish, but that was an important reason why I went to Chicago). I got 11 stiches in my forehead over a set of ORACLE notes that someone stepped on while I was in Chicago by the way. I was extremely zealous about protecting those notes. I also noticed that Mr. Larry Ellison and Mr. Harrison Ford also come from Chicago. I do not know for sure if they have a hidden meaning here but it could be that they have some secondary meaning because of IT and entertainment desires.

3. "M" She is a very mysterious woman that I won't elaborate on but it is not Madonna. The initial "M" is a coincidence. However, I will admit right now that the reason I wouldn't stay with "M" is the same reason that I wouldn't marry Madonna. They have children and I don't want that. Madonna was actually a sort of "escape" from this woman. I didn't really plan it but it turned out that way.

4. "?" I don't know her name but she was from India. She may have been married, she had the dot on her forehead, I think that means they are married. It was a lightning like thing that didn't last very long. However, she was NO CREATION OF MINE. This was something I'll never understand. She simply did something to me when I saw her and I don't understand it. It's like I just couldn't think of anything but her, like I was very confused for a moment. I don't forget these people.

5. Madonna - I saw her picture on the cover of Vogue Magazine and for some reason I became overwhelmed by it. I don't understand why but I CREATED EVEN MORE. I kept on thinking about her and I bought all her Music and I tried to interact with her recording company by writing song lyrics. I originally wrote the song lyrics for ORACLE but ORACLE refused to listen. I think that Maverick kept some of my songs and sent back some of them but they were never very friendly with me at all. They were extremely serious business people from all my encounters with them. I don't know them at all. I don't know Madonna at all. IT IS A CREATION OF MY MIND. I consider this a talent, not a psychological issue. Madonna was the best FANTASY that I could ever create. She was PERFECT UNTIL SHE GOT MARRIED. When my Mother died, I tried to continue the Madonna fantasy but I couldn't. IT was too late now. I no longer maintain any fantasy about Madonna. She's over for me even though I still have admiration for her ability to make money and to make fascinating song lyrics, not necessarily in that order. *And there is more to this than psychology but I will not talk about deeper reality here but if you've ever seen the film E.T., then you might ask Mr. Spielberg what it is really about. END OF MADONNA EXPLANATION.

By the way, this isn't an exhaustive list of women either but these were exceptional.

For the Record: I'm tired of Religion keeping me from getting anywhere, I won't let WitchCraft, Scientology, Christianity, or Judaism or any other Religion keep me from being a Creative Artist. If I want to live in Hollywood and be an Actor, I have the right to do that no matter what some amateur psychologist thinks and I certainly don't care what the Government thinks about it. I'm not interested in going to Hollywood to be converted into a Witch. I can do that by myself if I want. Hollywood is for acting and that's all it's for. By the way, I'm not a Witch either, I created that, It's just another acting job. Enough Said!


It's all a creation, a romance. Like Romeo and Juliet. It's what I wanted and I want to get what I want as long as it doesn't bother anyone or hurt anyone else and as long as it is not illegal.

The following is the reply I got from my friend:

BEGINNING OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSE

Hello Kary,

Thank you for all you wrote about the problems you have faced
with some very interesting women.

Jung said that a man makes a projection of his inner feminine side onto a woman and what he most admires is actually a part of his own makeup. It is thus very hard to see a woman as she really is.

The contact you feel you have with Madonna - this kind of inner
connection you speak of - is very much like that Jung described.

Feel free to keep writing me about these things.

Art


END OF RESPONSE

Dear Readers,

I am no longer interested in Mr. Martin Schiel. He felt he had to do what he did. I don't have any malice at this point; however, I recently wrote to an old friend who happens to have a PhD from M.I.T. in Psychology, especially Jungian Psychology.

I have taken a message he sent me and have published it here because I resent being labeled as some sort of "Stalker". I am absolutely not any thing like that at all. I am a creative artist and my fascination with Madonna is part of my creativity.

Here is the information that I sent my friend:

1. "V"; she was a girl I knew from Brazil. I asked her to marry me in 1991. She flatly refused but she was my first "creation". I don't blame her for her refusal. I deserved it. She will be glad that I am no longer "stalking" her either! She is a lawyer in Brazil today.

2. ORACLE - This is not a computer program but represents someone I knew. She was another of my "creations" I don't really know this woman, I created her along with the fascination which I had for her. The reason I become obsessed with Larry Ellison's Oracle may have something to do with her. Her name is with-held in respect of her privacy. It might be interesting to notice that I am currently located in San Jose (Capitol of Silicon Valley) and I did in fact originally go to ORACLE Corporation and took my Music CD "Dreams" personally to ORACLE. This is part of what I wanted. It is part of what I "Created" in my mind. Larry Ellison provided something that I could not get in the "real world". I played the part out in Redwood Shores. This is a type of "acting". My journey to Chicago, Illinois for a year may also have something to do with her or with my Mother, or with Judaism. (Note, I am not saying that I'm Jewish, but that was an important reason why I went to Chicago). I got 11 stiches in my forehead over a set of ORACLE notes that someone stepped on while I was in Chicago by the way. I was extremely zealous about protecting those notes. I also noticed that Mr. Larry Ellison and Mr. Harrison Ford also come from Chicago. I do not know for sure if they have a hidden meaning here but it could be that they have some secondary meaning because of IT and entertainment desires.

3. "M" She is a very mysterious woman that I won't elaborate on but it is not Madonna. The initial "M" is a coincidence. However, I will admit right now that the reason I wouldn't stay with "M" is the same reason that I wouldn't marry Madonna. They have children and I don't want that. Madonna was actually a sort of "escape" from this woman. I didn't really plan it but it turned out that way.

4. "?" I don't know her name but she was from India. She may have been married, she had the dot on her forehead, I think that means they are married. It was a lightning like thing that didn't last very long. However, she was NO CREATION OF MINE. This was something I'll never understand. She simply did something to me when I saw her and I don't understand it. It's like I just couldn't think of anything but her, like I was very confused for a moment. I don't forget these people.

5. Madonna - I saw her picture on the cover of Vogue Magazine and for some reason I became overwhelmed by it. I don't understand why but I CREATED EVEN MORE. I kept on thinking about her and I bought all her Music and I tried to interact with her recording company by writing song lyrics. I originally wrote the song lyrics for ORACLE but ORACLE refused to listen. I think that Maverick kept some of my songs and sent back some of them but they were never very friendly with me at all. They were extremely serious business people from all my encounters with them. I don't know them at all. I don't know Madonna at all. IT IS A CREATION OF MY MIND. I consider this a talent, not a psychological issue. Madonna was the best FANTASY that I could ever create. She was PERFECT UNTIL SHE GOT MARRIED. When my Mother died, I tried to continue the Madonna fantasy but I couldn't. IT was too late now. I no longer maintain any fantasy about Madonna. She's over for me even though I still have admiration for her ability to make money and to make fascinating song lyrics, not necessarily in that order. *And there is more to this than psychology but I will not talk about deeper reality here but if you've ever seen the film E.T., then you might ask Mr. Spielberg what it is really about. END OF MADONNA EXPLANATION.

By the way, this isn't an exhaustive list of women either but these were exceptional.

For the Record: I'm tired of Religion keeping me from getting anywhere, I won't let WitchCraft, Scientology, Christianity, or Judaism or any other Religion keep me from being a Creative Artist. If I want to live in Hollywood and be an Actor, I have the right to do that no matter what some amateur psychologist thinks and I certainly don't care what the Government thinks about it. I'm not interested in going to Hollywood to be converted into a Witch. I can do that by myself if I want. Hollywood is for acting and that's all it's for. By the way, I'm not a Witch either, I created that, It's just another acting job. Enough Said!


It's all a creation, a romance. Like Romeo and Juliet. It's what I wanted and I want to get what I want as long as it doesn't bother anyone or hurt anyone else and as long as it is not illegal.

The following is the reply I got from my friend:

BEGINNING OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSE

Hello Kary,

Thank you for all you wrote about the problems you have faced
with some very interesting women.

Jung said that a man makes a projection of his inner feminine side onto a woman and what he most admires is actually a part of his own makeup. It is thus very hard to see a woman as she really is.

The contact you feel you have with Madonna - this kind of inner
connection you speak of - is very much like that Jung described.

Feel free to keep writing me about these things.

Art


END OF RESPONSE

Why don't you show this thread to your "shrink" and see what he/she has to say about it. I am not surprised you write to Madonna. I am not surprised she knows ABOUT you either. Most celebs know about their stalkers. Get help.

You know I've been to psychologists before.

Dr. Soni in Chicago thought it was great that I liked Madonna. He thought it was a good sign. The reason I was there was because I was trying to learn ORACLE in Chicago and some guy stomped all over my ORACLE notes and I didn't like it and he hit me in the head and gave me 11 stiches. That can really bother a person.

But the psychologists can't diagnose me properly at all. I am an extremely sensitive person. We usually wind up doing art. The art that some religious extremists want to destroy.

However, Madonna is extremely important because of the fact that the very people President Bush is trying to fight are the ones who want to BURN MADONNA'S CD'S. They won't convince me to do so, but they'd like to. Madonna is still extremely important because America is supposed to protect speech, not hide it, not destroy it.

I don't necessarily agree with everything that Madonna says but I have enough empathy for her and have seen enough people want to destroy her work and have had enough of the influence of these people try to make me do the same thing even to my own work that I must speak out about it. It's just like Ray Bradbury said. They didn't like him reading Buck Rogers and he actually tore them up because of peer pressure. I did the same with Madonna. It's usually because some hateful person talks to me and it effects me very badly.

Religious People like Mr. Schiel might like to do the same thing. Apparently he doesn't like her. What's the difference between him and the Moslem Extremists who will not tolerate Western Media? They would like to destroy Hollywood with a Hydrogen Bomb if they could. That is what insane religionists (like those who destroyed the World Trade Center) want to do to this whole country.

NO! This is extremely important and trying to diagnose me over the Internet won't solve the problem. People like Paul Kroutch would like to do some stupid things too. I saw him show a picture of a lot of rock and roll albums including one of Madonna's one night on TBN and then he blew them up with Dynamite on International Television and called it Devil Music? This type of self-appointed religious nut is what I'm recovering from. That's the real disease here.

I'M NOT STALKING MADONNA! I've written to her for many years and they know me. I've been to Maverick Recording Company in person and I tried to get a job there. I like some of the Musicians there, especially William Orbit who is a very talented Musician.

I also tried to get a job at UNIVERSAL STUDIOS. I AM NOT STALKING STEVEN SPIELBERG EITHER! I called Maverick Recording Company the first time I ever went to Hollywood and told them I was coming and said, "I don't want you to think I'm a nut or something." They said, "Ok." It's no big deal. I went to the Beverly Hills Police Station at Midnight for Christ's sake and they know who I am. I'm not Stalking Madonna. That's LUDICROUS!!!

I was a huge fan of Madonna's but now she is married and I respect that. I'm not interested in going to London to go and bother her.

I have no idea why God would want me in London but it certainly looks like God does. It did rain like crazy just like I said. You can call it a coincidence if you want but it happened.

No, there's nothing wrong with me except that I need to realize that letting you or anyone else say I'm crazy is a mistake. I must learn to control my anger.

You don't understand that there is a SPIRITUAL WAR GOING ON RIGHT NOW. It wants to destroy Freedom of Speech and Replace it with a RELIGIOUS DICTATORSHIP and YOU Will be it's Slave.

America has Freedom of Speech. England does too. I'm not saying everyone in the Government hates me. THEY DON'T. I have at least one good friend in the Government whom I respect a greal deal. I used to work with him. HE IS HONEST AND HE IS A NICE GUY.

That's the way I really am. I'm Honest and I'm a Nice Guy, but LIARS TURN ME INTO A TIGER AND I WANT TO ATTACK!

Well, STAR WARS is a good example of something that the Maniacs over there would like to BURN. It teaches me not to let Anger Rule me or I will be it's slave. That's worth protecting. It's a simple message but a Good One.

Star Wars is extremely important. Madonna is extremely important and so am I. William Blake is extremely important because the religious nuts want to BURN THE BOOKS and BURN THE CD'S. That's not what this country is about. But it's not about lying or having religious people in Government object to what Music I listen to.

Your missives show the appearance of a disorder. You seem to be talking to yourself, as you are arguing with yourself in your 3 posts in this thread alone. This was one of the reasons you said you aere fired. Also, nobody cares about Madonna. Nobody, including herself, calls her Ms Madonna Ciccone. You say you are planning to move to England. Great, just what Madonna needs...another stalker. I have a feeling that is the issue your boss had with you regarding Madonna. You have serious issues that need professional assistance dealing with. Now, you say God is talking to you, and made it rain for you. You are about one step shy of going off the deep end. Please contact your local mental health facility. They can and will assist you.

OK,
I was trying to research Survey Scout to make money.
There was a ripoffreport, guess I should have ignored it.

So, if you're going to leave Schiel's name up here, how are you helping me.

Either we go into every detail of what's been going on for the last 15 or 16 years or else we drop it.

How is Hollywood invovled?
How is Madonna involved?
How is Spielberg involved?
How are the Police involved?
What is really goind on here?

Either we uncover this whole thing....

Or else I have to get out of here to another country...

I can't live like this anymore....

THIS HAS GOT TO GET SETTLED...

I almost got killed by a drunk in Phoenix...

I did nothing about it because even though the Police say it wasn't my fault...I felt I was bad because I had to got to an adult book shop...

SO IT'S ALWAYS MY FAULT BECAUSE OF SEX!!!!!!

OK!!! FINE!!!!

I've got a lot more for you but I want it big time...

I'm tired of this....

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO!!!!!

Who is paying you....

Did Madonna pay you to take it off.....?????

She can't get to Tripod I guess if that's the case.....

What are you going to do......?????

Either wipe it clean or we tell everything.....

What's it going to be?????

OK,
I was trying to research Survey Scout to make money.
There was a ripoffreport, guess I should have ignored it.

So, if you're going to leave Schiel's name up here, how are you helping me.

Either we go into every detail of what's been going on for the last 15 or 16 years or else we drop it.

How is Hollywood invovled?
How is Madonna involved?
How is Spielberg involved?
How are the Police involved?
What is really goind on here?

Either we uncover this whole thing....

Or else I have to get out of here to another country...

I can't live like this anymore....

THIS HAS GOT TO GET SETTLED...

I almost got killed by a drunk in Phoenix...

I did nothing about it because even though the Police say it wasn't my fault...I felt I was bad because I had to got to an adult book shop...

SO IT'S ALWAYS MY FAULT BECAUSE OF SEX!!!!!!

OK!!! FINE!!!!

I've got a lot more for you but I want it big time...

I'm tired of this....

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO!!!!!

Who is paying you....

Did Madonna pay you to take it off.....?????

She can't get to Tripod I guess if that's the case.....

What are you going to do......?????

Either wipe it clean or we tell everything.....

What's it going to be?????

OK,
I was trying to research Survey Scout to make money.
There was a ripoffreport, guess I should have ignored it.

So, if you're going to leave Schiel's name up here, how are you helping me.

Either we go into every detail of what's been going on for the last 15 or 16 years or else we drop it.

How is Hollywood invovled?
How is Madonna involved?
How is Spielberg involved?
How are the Police involved?
What is really goind on here?

Either we uncover this whole thing....

Or else I have to get out of here to another country...

I can't live like this anymore....

THIS HAS GOT TO GET SETTLED...

I almost got killed by a drunk in Phoenix...

I did nothing about it because even though the Police say it wasn't my fault...I felt I was bad because I had to got to an adult book shop...

SO IT'S ALWAYS MY FAULT BECAUSE OF SEX!!!!!!

OK!!! FINE!!!!

I've got a lot more for you but I want it big time...

I'm tired of this....

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO!!!!!

Who is paying you....

Did Madonna pay you to take it off.....?????

She can't get to Tripod I guess if that's the case.....

What are you going to do......?????

Either wipe it clean or we tell everything.....

What's it going to be?????

OK,
I was trying to research Survey Scout to make money.
There was a ripoffreport, guess I should have ignored it.

So, if you're going to leave Schiel's name up here, how are you helping me.

Either we go into every detail of what's been going on for the last 15 or 16 years or else we drop it.

How is Hollywood invovled?
How is Madonna involved?
How is Spielberg involved?
How are the Police involved?
What is really goind on here?

Either we uncover this whole thing....

Or else I have to get out of here to another country...

I can't live like this anymore....

THIS HAS GOT TO GET SETTLED...

I almost got killed by a drunk in Phoenix...

I did nothing about it because even though the Police say it wasn't my fault...I felt I was bad because I had to got to an adult book shop...

SO IT'S ALWAYS MY FAULT BECAUSE OF SEX!!!!!!

OK!!! FINE!!!!

I've got a lot more for you but I want it big time...

I'm tired of this....

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO!!!!!

Who is paying you....

Did Madonna pay you to take it off.....?????

She can't get to Tripod I guess if that's the case.....

What are you going to do......?????

Either wipe it clean or we tell everything.....

What's it going to be?????

The Point is that I asked GOD to make it rain if GOD wanted me to go to London.
It started sprinkling within 15 seconds.
I then said, "Make it Rain like Crazy."
We got 5.4 inches in a few days.
I think GOD has made a POINT HERE!
I can't ignore that.
I can't allow the past to keep me from GOD any longer.
I have to forget about the past and GO ON WITH MY LIFE.
This ripoff report is only good if it reveals what GOD WANTS.
Nothing else really matters.
I don't have anymore time to squabble with people.
I sold my house to get away from people who bothered me.
I tried to make it in California. It doesn't work.
I tried Phoenix. It won't work.
I tried Oklahoma City again. It didn't work.
NOW I WANT GOD TO TRY IT GOD'S WAY!
GOD SAID LONDON and I can't ignore it.
GOD SAID IT. Who else can make it Rain?
No, the Air Force didn't seed the clouds that day.
It was GOD.
GOD IS ALL I'VE GOT.
I can't let anything get between me and GOD.
So Jesus says forgive and GOD will forgive me.
Ok: So I'm saying I'm not going to do anything about this.
It happened. I'm not a liar, but I'm not going to do anything.
Not because I'm afraid of the Government but because I
can't let this get between me and what GOD WANTS.
I'd be a FOOL not to believe what happened here.
GOD is the only ONE who could have known it would rain like that.
NOBODY ELSE COULD DO THAT!