Complaint Review: Mary Garcia From Premire Boxers In Florida

Here is the State of Florida Health Certificate that was issues for the puppy in Question. The name we were calling the puppy was "Moon" and Brenda then named him Dozer. This is the 2nd report on the same puppy she has made on this puppy on this site with the same claims. She was also claiming that the puppy had "tight nostrils" that is a common issue in what is called "snub nosed" breeds like boxers, english bulldogs, french bulldogs, ect.  No note was made at the health check for any form of stenosis, which is the technical term for the size of the nostrils. Either way any knowledgeable breeder would know about the breed they are breeding and know what is normal in the breed, and if you breed to improve the breed, you know that you can breed something like this out of a line when done properly. No breeder including reputateble breeders can ever guarentee a puppy to be breedable, that just is not possible.Her main complaint was that both of his testicles were not decended, which they were, and now you can see the proof that her claim was invalid. As stated in my first response we offered her 3 different options, which she refused them all. I did all I could to please Brenda, and she just wanted the puppy and her money back.  That is something that just simply isn't fair or done.

Brenda, 

In no way am I speaking to you again. The fact that you feel the need to file a second report about this same issue, speaks about you as a person. that you obviously have an agenda, and alterior motive.

No I did not receive any report backing up your claims from your vet. As you know you were blocked from my facebook and all forms of contact as you have done nothing but terrorize me. 

Your claim that you called my vet and he told you that it was not descended into the s*****m is false. One he would not be authroized to give you that type of information as you are not a client at that office, and two he made me aware of what you were doing and what your claims were. He told me that he tried to educate you about certain things and you did not want to hear it. That you were very combative, and rude. He just shook his head and said it felt bad that I had to deal with this, and he was concerned that you were a breeder, as you did not seem to be receptive to him trying to speak with you, or have the knowledge that you should.

Yes I would be able to provide proof you you telling me you sold him to a pet family, that you no longer had him, as you were the one who told me via facebook messenger, along with other things, like telling me that you would not abide by the contract and keep me posted on him or his whereabouts or return him to me.

I abolutely love raising puppies. They bring me so much joy and happiness, and I love meeting some of the awesome people that I meet, and completing their family. I am in no way ashamed of anything. When you do things correctly, 99% of the time there is truly no money to be made by breeding. Ask any reputatable breeder. I have and will do everything in my power to raise the healthies most lovable puppies that I can, and not just that, but the parents as well, as they are just as important. I can spend thousands of dollars on a litter to ensure that they are healthy. There have been times I have been in the negative in a litter, and that is perfectly fine with me, as it was worth it to watch the mature in the beautiful boxers I know they could me. How can I "do it for the money" if the money goes to save puppies, medical attention, emergency surgeries, caring for the puppies, and the parents, health testing, proper food, care, ect. Like I said I have had litters with no money in the end and look I am still breeding, as it for the love and passion I have for this breed.

I am sorry, but you were not testy, you were rude, as well as combative. You made threats, and did things that you should be ashamed of. Because i stopped all communication with you, this is what you have chosen to do. Out of all the years I have been doing this, you are the only person to do this, make not 1 but 2 reports, and continue on. I have many families who will put in a good word for me, and provide references about me and my program.

As stated in my response, i offered you 3 options for Dozer, your refused all 3. That is not my fault. That is your own. I can not take responsiblity for what is not mine.

I am not sure where you are getting your information from about me having a second litter with dozer's parents, as once again you are incorrect. I had only 1 litter with that pairng. In fact the mother was placed in a super loving home with friends. How can I have a second litter with the same parents if I do not have both parents?

You are very correct our definations of reputable breeder is very different, but not because I am not one.

I am not sure how you can sit there and say you are not trying to bring me down, when your actions prove otherwise, especially filing a second report. 

If this continues I will have my attorney contact you for deffermation of character, as well as other charges.

I will be posting proof of the health certificate to show Dozer came to you 100% healthy, and with both testicles ect. I can also post excerpts from our interaction as well if need be.

Hi Mary :) Glad your talking to me again :)

So you didn't receive the paper from my vet saying Dozer passed away from tumors in his spine? I mailed you the paper and I also messaged you on facebook.

I did tell you within 72 hours from purchase and I did provide proof from my vet that his t******e was undescended. If it was a yo-yo t******e it would have eventally dropped.. but it never did. When I called your vet he admitted it was not down in the s*****m

So you can provide proof that I sold him? Because I never did, I did have him in a temporary pet home right next door so if his t******e would drop I could still use him for a stud, if not they would have purchased him, neutered him and he would have had a loving family all his life.

There is no shame in making money by raising puppies, when you absolutely love it and you do everything in your power to raise healthy puppies. I am sure if you knew you were not going to make any money by raising a litter you never would breed again... so therefore you are doing it for the money.

Yes I got testy... I have a family, I have a sick son and a sick husband... I am not lucky like you to not need money. So when I spent $3500 for a boxer puppy from what I thought was a reputable breeder I did expect to be able to return him for another puppy or get $1150 back so I could sell him at a pet price. But neither of these was an option.

Also since it was a very aggressive cancer these dogs should not be mated again and you are planning on your second litter with Dozer's parents since you heard of Dozer dying at 13months of cancer. 

Your term of a reputable breeder and mine are not the same.

I am not trying to bring you down. I just want to warn others so I can prevent them from this happening to them.

In response to the claim that Miss Brenda Martin has filed on this site, I would like to let you know that she is not being completely honest. 

First I would like to start of by stating that I am not a business, or a puppy mill, or breed often. I am a very small "hobby' or private breeder that has 1 litter of boxer puppies a year, unlike Brenda Martine owner of BJ Farms, who not only breeds boxers, but english bulldogs, and has stated that breeding is her source of income, and has multiple litters at a time, and per year. Something I wish I really knew before I considered selling one of my puppies to her. 

I did sell Brenda a male boxer puppy in November of 2016. I normally just sell to pet only homes with a spay/neuter agreement, and limited AKC registration. Brenda contacted me interested in one of our puppies, and we spoke for a bit, and I felt her to be a honest person who cares about her dogs as much as I do. I own 2 boxers who live inside my home and are a part of our family, and treated as such. She truly spoke a good game, and with hesitation I decided to move forward and give her a chance.

My first red flag should have been her wanting to change my contract completely to suit her. She wanted several items removed, again in hindsight I should have never done. She offered to pay more to remove a clause of of reataining breeding rights to him as well as a return puppy. She also wanted me to remove parts that are in place that we would not cover under a health guarentee, like undescended testicles, uneven bits, ect. She also failed to mention that in the amount she paid covered shipping from Florida to Pennsylvania, along with money we charge for to cover travel expenses to the airport, ect. 

This puppy left with a State of Florida Health Certificate, that is required from our state, as well as airlines to ship. He was in perfect health, and both of his male parts were descended and noted on the paperwork. He was also one of the largest puppies, weighing in at 11lbs 3 oz. Boxers especially european boxers are known to have shorter muzzles and can have tighter nostrils. As she is a boxer breeder she should have been aware of this. I disclosed everything to her that I had to my knowledge as I do to every pet family.  I do have my copy of this health certificate to provide as proof that Moon, the puppy she had chosen did have both his man parts, as she is claiming he only had one, and had no health issues.

I also have photo of him that I took while I was at the airport waiting for the puppy nanny to come and get him. If he did arrive to her thinner then he left, that would be because I left my home at 5 am to be at the airport for his flight. His flight was delayed, and he didn't reach Brenda until almost 9pm that night. He was not fed before he left as I did not want him to possibly get air sick or have to use the restroom. She never made any mention of his weight when she received him, in fact was quite happy with him. 

In early 2017 she contacted me about the undecended t******e and wanted to know what we would do. She had told me a on a couple other occasions about this issue, but never provided proof, nor did she follow our contract and send me a report from her vet in the 3 day period of her receiving him. She became very hostile, and began trying to bully me into giving her what she wanted. I gave her 3 seperate options to try and resolve the issue, none of which she accepted, one was that she could keep him and I would refund her the difference for a pet price, not including the additional she paid for wanting to change the contract, two she could keep him and I would offer her a sunstancial discount on another puppy, 3 she could return him to me and I would replace him at no cost, except the cost of shipping. Shipping would be her responsibility of getting her current puppy to me and the new puppy to her. She declined all 3 options. I did all I could to try and make her happy. 

She because extrmely rude, threatening me to contact different agencies like the BBB, and some group for bad breeders, ect, and basically drag my hard earned reputation through the mud. She also had told me that she had sold moon to another family as a pet and no longer had him. She broke parts in my contract, where she would have had to contact me if she wanted to place him, as we hold first right of refusual of any of our puppies, and require them to come back to us, or that we help in placing them, so that we know where they are.

We also require families to stay in touch and send updates, which she told me she would no longer follow if I did not send her a specified amount of money back. She did contact the BBB, and I sent them all my proof of what she was saying in messages along with copies of the health certificate from my vet. Brenda even proceeded to contact my vet numerous times, which my vet got in contact with me and told me what was going on, and what was transpired and said. He even was quite concerned as Brenda did not make any sense to him, and when the vet tried to explain that testicles can sometimes go back up and come back down, she said not that is not possibly, my vet has never heard of that, but it is actually called "yo yoing". 

I feel like Brenda just wanted a free puppy, and I was not going to let her bully me into giving her everything she wanted. I feel I was more then fair in all my options that I gave her, even after I spoke to my attorney.  I can provide screenshots of her conversation to me, as well as the health certificate stating that Moon was in perfect health when he left here. I also can provide many references from numerous happy families we have had thought the years. I have never had an expiernce like this, and hope to never have one again. This has taught me to stand behind only selling to pet families, and that unfortunately people can talk a good talk to get what they want, and then their true colors come out in the end.

As far as Brenda stating that he passed away at 13 months, I can not confirm that as I did not receive any proof, and she had told me she no longer owned him, as she had sold him to a pet family. I unfortunately did no know his whereabouts.  If anything I would like to warn any breeders of Boxers or English Bulldogs not to sell to this person. This has been an all out nightmare, and I will never forgive myself for allowing one of my precious puppies to go to her.

Like I said I am not a business or a big time breeder producing maybe 1 litter a year, We leave no expense when our puppies or adults need anything. Brenda who is a business and has admitted to this being her sole income wants to try and say that I do this for the money, and I do not care about the customer. That is far from true. Unfortunately I can not always make someone happy, especially if that person wants more then what they would be fair. I was not going to allow Brenda to take advantage of me, and because of that she is making it her mission to drag my name through the mud. 

I will be speaking to a lawyer for slander at this point. I have had enough of her bullying.

This is Mary J Garcia from Premier Boxers in Florida