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  • Report:  #105671

Complaint Review: National City Mortgage & Aurora Loan Services Inc.

National City Mortgage & Aurora Loan Services, Inc./Lehman Brothers Holdings More creative ways for corporations to ripoff you off and take your home..... Ohio & Nebraska

  • Reported By:
    elgin Illinois
  • Submitted:
    Fri, August 27, 2004
  • Updated:
    Fri, October 08, 2004
  • National City Mortgage & Aurora Loan Services, Inc.
    3232 Newmark Drive, Miamisburg, Ohio 45342/P.O. Box 1706 Scottsbluff Nebraska 69363
    Miamisburg/Scottsbluff, Ohio
    U.S.A.
  • Phone:
    800-550-0508
  • Category:

We purchased our home in June of 2000. National City Mortgage Company was the initial lender. We had no problems with them until we applied for a home equity loan with a lender in our area. In October of 2001, we were served with forclosure papers from Aurora Loan Services indicating that we were 2 payments behind and they were initiating foreclosure proceedings.

Having never heard of Aurora Loan Services, we contacted them. That is when we were told that our loan had been sold in June of 2001 and it was now October 2001.
National City Mortgage Co. continued to accept our money and even went so far as to cash a check for 2 mortgage payments and never record it. That was the 2 payments that were missing.

National City and Aurora Loan were provided with copies of both sides of all checks for the lenght of the loan..
Aurora Loan never opened the package, they sent it right back to us.

National City Mortgage wouldn't talk to us after that.
I'll spare you the last 3 years of red-tape. 2 bankruptcy attorneys, the first attorney did such a poor job that the judge dismissed the first 2 filings for bankruptcy. #2 attorney did a fair job until we were served with the sheriff sale. He never did show up.
The sheriff sale was filed after we were approved for refinancing with another lender. We have been waiting 4 months for a payout amount. Both Aurora Loan and their attorney Codilis and Associates will not return the lawyers, mortgage broker or our phone calls.
We have until Sept. 1st to finalize the financing or we loose the house.

Good country we live in, where else can you steal from people and have our legal system help. Kind of makes you think.......
Has anyone considered a class action suit against these people?

Luanne
elgin, Illinois
U.S.A.

11 Updates & Rebuttals


Mary

St. Louis,
Missouri,
U.S.A.

Call the FTC, Federal Trade Commission and report your broker

#12Consumer Comment

Fri, October 08, 2004

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Report them to the DA's office as well. I will be running an ad in the St. Louis Post Dispatch some time in October with my name and phone number so that we can get a class action lawsuit against them. I will also be outside their Webstor Groves, MO office with placards letting people know to beware of these crooks. I have nothing but time. They will go down.


Sharon

Vineland,
New Jersey,
U.S.A.

We Must Do Something!

#12Consumer Suggestion

Sun, September 12, 2004

This is appalling. I have a former post here on the board as to how they held up the payoff figure, in my opinion, giving all kinds of bogus excuses to myself and the realtor, that we lost the short sale on the property. The deal had gone so far that a settlement date had been set! Suddenly Aurora sent a figure so high it was ridiculous and the buyer was long gone by that time.

It is unfortunate, but unless those who believe themselves victims of this company chose to sue on their own, a class action lawsuit is the only way to go. I say it is unfortunate because in so many cases, the victims have to settle for an amount in a ridiculous proportion to the damage done.

However, if this is the only way to bring a lender to heel, so be it. The Household Finance settlement--the full reports of which are available on the internet--gave small monetary awards but did force the company to make some major changes.

Perhaps in the end that is what we will have to settle for--an award that comes nowhere to assuage the damage but will bring about massive changes to this lender's policy or--what really should happen--pull their corporate charter for good.

There's some good class action firms out there--time to do our homework. I wish everyone good luck. If we don't act, there will always be potential victims waiting in the wings.


Luanne

elgin,
Illinois,
U.S.A.

DOUBLE DIPPING

#12Author of original report

Sat, September 11, 2004

Received a phone call Tuesday from our mortgage broker. Apparently Aurora Loan Services wasn't happy with the final dollar amount that was paid to them. September 3, 2004, I had my first closing with the new mortgage company. The next day, my broker called and informed me that a mistake was made (Aurora Loan Services) and the numbers that I have and the forms that were signed are not good.

An additional $12,000.00 was added - you know the usual attorney fees, return check charge(?) unidentified items. If I didn't have the additionall funds by the next day, I lost my home. Thankfully my boyfriend's daughter took a loan out for the full amount that was added. No groceries again this week. Thought that I was finished - silly you - NOT.

Tuesday an additional $2300.00(roughly a little more) was added. This time attorney fees. Never mind that HUD frowns on things like this. Their attorney faxed an itemized bill - amounts add up correctly - they even gave me a credit for their fee. Then the itemized bill from Aurora Loan Services. The final amount is close, they added the attorney fees, even though they were not charged, undisclosed charges, taxes for the full year 2004 and 2003 were not paid yet. Even though the taxes were in escrow. This is a big no-no. Forced to pay the additional amount or lose the house. All final now ( I think) and now it's my turn.

Fifteen mortgage payments in thirteen months. That makes me 2 (two) payments ahead. National City Mortgage kept the payments, never sending them to Aurora. Aurora now foreclosed on the 2 payments that National City kept.

A little advise - keep copies of all letters to them, and all from them. Write down names of all fools that you try to talk to. Let them laugh at you, I told one fool that I refuse to have a battle of the wits with an unarmed man. He hung up on me. Getting mad gets you nowhere. GET EVEN.

CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.

Do I hear class action law suit?! Wish me luck. Best of luck to all of you.


Luanne

elgin,
Illinois,
U.S.A.

DOUBLE DIPPING

#12Author of original report

Sat, September 11, 2004

Received a phone call Tuesday from our mortgage broker. Apparently Aurora Loan Services wasn't happy with the final dollar amount that was paid to them. September 3, 2004, I had my first closing with the new mortgage company. The next day, my broker called and informed me that a mistake was made (Aurora Loan Services) and the numbers that I have and the forms that were signed are not good.

An additional $12,000.00 was added - you know the usual attorney fees, return check charge(?) unidentified items. If I didn't have the additionall funds by the next day, I lost my home. Thankfully my boyfriend's daughter took a loan out for the full amount that was added. No groceries again this week. Thought that I was finished - silly you - NOT.

Tuesday an additional $2300.00(roughly a little more) was added. This time attorney fees. Never mind that HUD frowns on things like this. Their attorney faxed an itemized bill - amounts add up correctly - they even gave me a credit for their fee. Then the itemized bill from Aurora Loan Services. The final amount is close, they added the attorney fees, even though they were not charged, undisclosed charges, taxes for the full year 2004 and 2003 were not paid yet. Even though the taxes were in escrow. This is a big no-no. Forced to pay the additional amount or lose the house. All final now ( I think) and now it's my turn.

Fifteen mortgage payments in thirteen months. That makes me 2 (two) payments ahead. National City Mortgage kept the payments, never sending them to Aurora. Aurora now foreclosed on the 2 payments that National City kept.

A little advise - keep copies of all letters to them, and all from them. Write down names of all fools that you try to talk to. Let them laugh at you, I told one fool that I refuse to have a battle of the wits with an unarmed man. He hung up on me. Getting mad gets you nowhere. GET EVEN.

CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.

Do I hear class action law suit?! Wish me luck. Best of luck to all of you.


Luanne

elgin,
Illinois,
U.S.A.

DOUBLE DIPPING

#12Author of original report

Sat, September 11, 2004

Received a phone call Tuesday from our mortgage broker. Apparently Aurora Loan Services wasn't happy with the final dollar amount that was paid to them. September 3, 2004, I had my first closing with the new mortgage company. The next day, my broker called and informed me that a mistake was made (Aurora Loan Services) and the numbers that I have and the forms that were signed are not good.

An additional $12,000.00 was added - you know the usual attorney fees, return check charge(?) unidentified items. If I didn't have the additionall funds by the next day, I lost my home. Thankfully my boyfriend's daughter took a loan out for the full amount that was added. No groceries again this week. Thought that I was finished - silly you - NOT.

Tuesday an additional $2300.00(roughly a little more) was added. This time attorney fees. Never mind that HUD frowns on things like this. Their attorney faxed an itemized bill - amounts add up correctly - they even gave me a credit for their fee. Then the itemized bill from Aurora Loan Services. The final amount is close, they added the attorney fees, even though they were not charged, undisclosed charges, taxes for the full year 2004 and 2003 were not paid yet. Even though the taxes were in escrow. This is a big no-no. Forced to pay the additional amount or lose the house. All final now ( I think) and now it's my turn.

Fifteen mortgage payments in thirteen months. That makes me 2 (two) payments ahead. National City Mortgage kept the payments, never sending them to Aurora. Aurora now foreclosed on the 2 payments that National City kept.

A little advise - keep copies of all letters to them, and all from them. Write down names of all fools that you try to talk to. Let them laugh at you, I told one fool that I refuse to have a battle of the wits with an unarmed man. He hung up on me. Getting mad gets you nowhere. GET EVEN.

CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.

Do I hear class action law suit?! Wish me luck. Best of luck to all of you.


Luanne

elgin,
Illinois,
U.S.A.

DOUBLE DIPPING

#12Author of original report

Sat, September 11, 2004

Received a phone call Tuesday from our mortgage broker. Apparently Aurora Loan Services wasn't happy with the final dollar amount that was paid to them. September 3, 2004, I had my first closing with the new mortgage company. The next day, my broker called and informed me that a mistake was made (Aurora Loan Services) and the numbers that I have and the forms that were signed are not good.

An additional $12,000.00 was added - you know the usual attorney fees, return check charge(?) unidentified items. If I didn't have the additionall funds by the next day, I lost my home. Thankfully my boyfriend's daughter took a loan out for the full amount that was added. No groceries again this week. Thought that I was finished - silly you - NOT.

Tuesday an additional $2300.00(roughly a little more) was added. This time attorney fees. Never mind that HUD frowns on things like this. Their attorney faxed an itemized bill - amounts add up correctly - they even gave me a credit for their fee. Then the itemized bill from Aurora Loan Services. The final amount is close, they added the attorney fees, even though they were not charged, undisclosed charges, taxes for the full year 2004 and 2003 were not paid yet. Even though the taxes were in escrow. This is a big no-no. Forced to pay the additional amount or lose the house. All final now ( I think) and now it's my turn.

Fifteen mortgage payments in thirteen months. That makes me 2 (two) payments ahead. National City Mortgage kept the payments, never sending them to Aurora. Aurora now foreclosed on the 2 payments that National City kept.

A little advise - keep copies of all letters to them, and all from them. Write down names of all fools that you try to talk to. Let them laugh at you, I told one fool that I refuse to have a battle of the wits with an unarmed man. He hung up on me. Getting mad gets you nowhere. GET EVEN.

CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.

Do I hear class action law suit?! Wish me luck. Best of luck to all of you.


Sharon

Vineland,
New Jersey,
U.S.A.

It is good to hear that you have resolved this issue. !

#12Consumer Comment

Fri, September 10, 2004

You took the right steps, especially finding an attorney well-versed in this area and who will not back down.

Thank you for posting this encouraging report and letting consumers know that they can win if they are persistent and get proper legal counsel.


Sharon

Vineland,
New Jersey,
U.S.A.

It is good to hear that you have resolved this issue. !

#12Consumer Comment

Fri, September 10, 2004

You took the right steps, especially finding an attorney well-versed in this area and who will not back down.

Thank you for posting this encouraging report and letting consumers know that they can win if they are persistent and get proper legal counsel.


Sharon

Vineland,
New Jersey,
U.S.A.

It is good to hear that you have resolved this issue. !

#12Consumer Comment

Fri, September 10, 2004

You took the right steps, especially finding an attorney well-versed in this area and who will not back down.

Thank you for posting this encouraging report and letting consumers know that they can win if they are persistent and get proper legal counsel.


Sharon

Vineland,
New Jersey,
U.S.A.

It is good to hear that you have resolved this issue. !

#12Consumer Comment

Fri, September 10, 2004

You took the right steps, especially finding an attorney well-versed in this area and who will not back down.

Thank you for posting this encouraging report and letting consumers know that they can win if they are persistent and get proper legal counsel.


Luanne

elgin,
Illinois,
U.S.A.

National City Mortgage / Aurora Loan Services/Codilis and Associates : Lawyers - a Thief with a college degree

#12Author of original report

Tue, August 31, 2004

The sheriff sale was August 26, 2004. Our attorney did not return our phone calls the day before or the morning of the sale. We had to contact a 3rd attorney. There were no bidders on the property, so the sale was on hold for 7 days.

We had the paperwork for the refinancing with us, all of the loan papers and the letter of committment. That did not make a difference. The attorney for Codilis and Associates told the sheriff that he would not pull the sale, even with the proof of refinancing.

The last and 3rd attorney was able to reach the attorney at Codilis and asked him if he wanted further litigation. He was preventing us from purchasing/refinancing our home by not providing us with a final pay out amount.

He did find this funny, and did fax a final amount. Our cut off time was 1:00 p.m. and the fax came to us at 12:46 p.m.

Don't take no for an answer, keep fighting for your home. There are great lawyers and you just have to keep looking. Consultations are usually free or a minimal charge. Check back here for a reference before you sign the final papers when you buy that house.

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