Netwinner, LLC ~ You Play, We Play You! Charlotte North Carolina
I played faithfully on this site, abided by the TOS, advertised it, put a banner on my personal webpage, got referrals, never cheated (wouldn't know how and don't want to) and then cashed in for a $100 preloaded MasterCard debit card and a $75 reload.
Those never came. I started looking around in the forum for answers and found out no one was getting paid and hadn't been for months. I wrote to ask why and was told I would get paid, just be patient. I waited a while longer.
The next thing I noticed was the payouts on the games dwindled down to almost nothing. Then the 10 point wins were removed and the minimum payout went from $25 to $100 which translates to from 25,000 points to 100,000 points. Very little chance of reaching 100,000 points with the rate of wins by that time. I stopped *playing* as it was now a complete waste of time.
I returned around the beginning of May to the forum to see if I could find out if I would ever get the card and reload I cashed out for and found a lot of really unhappy people there. I left three posts expressing my dissatisfaction with the things that had been happening. All three posts were deleted.
I went back to the game site the middle of May to check my redemptions and found I had none pending or completed, they simply disappeared. But I had a lot more points than I had before. I never received an email from NetWinner about this. I went to the forum and found out all redemptions had been cancelled and found posted a letter from the President of NetWinner about this.
In it, he called over 40% of the membership cheaters. I was incensed at the whole situation and made my feelings known in four more posts. That brought my total forum posts to 7, after which I was banned. I did not break any forum rules.
They called the games and the prizes free, but the games were slowed down to maximize ad viewing, which puts them in the same category as a Paid to Click site. The banko game was decompiled by an outside source and found to be rigged. When confronted with this information, NetWinner admitted they were, saying they would be fools not to control the outcome.
They violated their own TOS by having ad clicking contests in their forum and violated one of their advertiser's TOS by running their ads on a site with a forum. They tried to get around that by moving the forum to it's own site, but their TOS continued to contain forum rules.
Additionally, one of the moderator's husband posted in another forum that he has seen his wife posting member's personal information on msn and yahoo, so beware! This is what he wrote:
"my wife is a mod on net winner, like her and the co worker that do support mail dont beleave in the privicy act thay take that info or email and copy and share with people on msn and yahoo. are email sent to netwinner support dont thay have to stay with in netwinner, no thay dont I see my wife and co workers posting on msn and yahoo making fun of people email sent to netwinner."
I believe this is why I was suddenly flooded with spam after writing to them.
This site has to be the biggest scam site I've seen in a while. Avoid it like the plague. If you play there, you are helping them continue to make money from the ads they run.
Pamela
Bay St Louis, Mississippi
U.S.A.
4 Updates & Rebuttals
Pamela
Bay St Louis,Mississippi,
U.S.A.
How deep does the rabbit hole go?
#5Author of original report
Thu, June 05, 2008
As more and more evidence is compiled, it is becoming obvious that this company was/is engaged in more fraudulent activities than ever imagined.
If you file a complaint with the NC BBB and/or NC Attorney General's office, be prepared to receive a letter from NetWinner stating you or someone using your username has violated the TOS and your account is banned and all points accumulated thus far are forfeit. This response is becoming routine.
Don't expect them to tell you HOW you violated the TOS, this is all the information you're going to get.
Do continuous searches for updated information and join any relevant forums you can find, a wealth of information is out there as to what to do to fight back.
Don't just lay down and die if you get that letter, jump up and FIGHT BACK. Do NOT let them get away with it.
Pamela
Bay St Louis,Mississippi,
U.S.A.
How deep does the rabbit hole go?
#5Author of original report
Thu, June 05, 2008
As more and more evidence is compiled, it is becoming obvious that this company was/is engaged in more fraudulent activities than ever imagined.
If you file a complaint with the NC BBB and/or NC Attorney General's office, be prepared to receive a letter from NetWinner stating you or someone using your username has violated the TOS and your account is banned and all points accumulated thus far are forfeit. This response is becoming routine.
Don't expect them to tell you HOW you violated the TOS, this is all the information you're going to get.
Do continuous searches for updated information and join any relevant forums you can find, a wealth of information is out there as to what to do to fight back.
Don't just lay down and die if you get that letter, jump up and FIGHT BACK. Do NOT let them get away with it.
Pamela
Bay St Louis,Mississippi,
U.S.A.
How deep does the rabbit hole go?
#5Author of original report
Thu, June 05, 2008
As more and more evidence is compiled, it is becoming obvious that this company was/is engaged in more fraudulent activities than ever imagined.
If you file a complaint with the NC BBB and/or NC Attorney General's office, be prepared to receive a letter from NetWinner stating you or someone using your username has violated the TOS and your account is banned and all points accumulated thus far are forfeit. This response is becoming routine.
Don't expect them to tell you HOW you violated the TOS, this is all the information you're going to get.
Do continuous searches for updated information and join any relevant forums you can find, a wealth of information is out there as to what to do to fight back.
Don't just lay down and die if you get that letter, jump up and FIGHT BACK. Do NOT let them get away with it.
Pamela
Bay St Louis,Mississippi,
U.S.A.
How deep does the rabbit hole go?
#5Author of original report
Thu, June 05, 2008
As more and more evidence is compiled, it is becoming obvious that this company was/is engaged in more fraudulent activities than ever imagined.
If you file a complaint with the NC BBB and/or NC Attorney General's office, be prepared to receive a letter from NetWinner stating you or someone using your username has violated the TOS and your account is banned and all points accumulated thus far are forfeit. This response is becoming routine.
Don't expect them to tell you HOW you violated the TOS, this is all the information you're going to get.
Do continuous searches for updated information and join any relevant forums you can find, a wealth of information is out there as to what to do to fight back.
Don't just lay down and die if you get that letter, jump up and FIGHT BACK. Do NOT let them get away with it.