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Outback Design, Gary Ross Pools Rips Off Customers, Performs Substandard Work And Lies To Customers Deceptive Trade Practices, failed to complete work that was contracted, turned customer in to code enforcement Flower Mound Texas
Myself and several other customers have contracted this pool builder to work on our properties. Outback Design/Gary Ross failed to perform the work contracted.
The entire sales process was deceptive and misleading and the contract did not reflect what was agreed to, Outback Design sells a certain amount of square footage of deck and then instructs its Project Managers to put down 10% less than the contract.
The design of the project built at my house and others houses when finished reflected so many design flaws that it was a total disaster and did not reflect what we were promised.
When I refused to make my final payment Outback Design sent me nasty threatening letters and then turned me in to code enforcement for having some other work done at my house without a permit.
I know several other people that have had the same and worse experiance with Outback Design/Gary Ross that I have.
The owner of this company is a liar,thief and a fraud and several people have told me that he is on the verge of going out of business ...Buyer beware!!!!
If you have any information to addto this report please do.
Mary
Flower Mound, Texas
U.S.A.
10 Updates & Rebuttals
Timothyc
Flower Mound,Texas,
U.S.A.
OUTBACK DESIGN IS OUT OF BUSINESS AND OPERATING UNDER A NEW NAME COMPLETE LANDSCLUPTURES
#11UPDATE EX-employee responds
Mon, January 28, 2008
Complete Landscluptures now employs most of Outback Designs staff, they have associated themselves with a group of thieves who left numerous families with unfinished construction processes on their pools. The robbed their vendors and sub contractors by not paying them and/or writing them hot checks, please forward any information you have to Investigator Brian Wolf with the Special Crimes unit of the Denton County District Attorney Offices.
Do not trust Complete Landsculptures, while they hold themselves out to be a group of patriots and caring citizens they have no problem with associating themselves with a group of liars, thugs, thieves and con artitist-Gary Ross and his merry band of rogues-folks he "aint" no "Robin Hood" so if you run into this bunch hold onto your wallet and run as fast as you can!!!!!!!!!!! lets see his next rebuttle!!!
Brian
Celina,Texas,
U.S.A.
Hows Business at Outback Pools?
#11Consumer Comment
Sat, January 26, 2008
Take some joy in knowing their company went under.
Gary Ross
Flower Mound,Texas,
U.S.A.
Outback Design response to fradulant report posted online. This report is completely false and was posted by a disgruntle dishonest ex employee.
#11REBUTTAL Owner of company
Wed, October 24, 2007
All reports reflected here are false, Outback's reputation is easily validated by the honest through correct reporting agencies such as the City of business, BBB and even by the amount of work being performed in a localized area. If you really want know if a pool company does good work, then see if they are working in the off season, such as August through Feb as referrals keep this business moving and Outback has not slowed down. It is a shame to see such inherent weakness in those that post fruadulent reports with no identification to validate the claim.
Gary Ross
Flower Mound,Texas,
U.S.A.
Emille
#11REBUTTAL Owner of company
Wed, October 24, 2007
Ms Emille in Argyle does not exist each of these negative reports about Outback Design were created by the same individual, a cowardly approach to twisting information in order to poison anyone that will listen.
I welcome as a Partner in Outback Design for anyone to call for the facts. These details are both twisted and completely fabricated and do not dignify more detail exposed online but for those that might truly be seeking both the one of the most creative construction companies in the Metroplex and the truth to these details I welcome and encourage you to call us. I would be pleased to speak to you personally. This site requires no varification and anyone can present here without any validation process, if you have an email you can write whatever you like which does not reflect the professional platform they claim, your local city, BBB or even real references would clearly more appropriate.
Thanks
Gary Ross
Flower Mound,Texas,
U.S.A.
Disgruntle Employee
#11REBUTTAL Owner of company
Wed, October 24, 2007
This fabrication was again the creation of the same disgruntle employee who wrote the original email in which he called himself Mary. He will not identify anything that can be traced as this is not an honest person or report and this site qualifies nothing, hence he now only identifies himself as Bill.
As the company owner I have taken the time to reply to this email simply as a matter of encouraging those that may actually be mislead by this garbage. This same person has been a coward of this nature since he left the organization and he has managed to be an annoyance to many.
I am sorry that I have to take the time to hear of such trash but more importantly I truly encourage those who may think this has any truth to it to contact us directly.
Gary Ross
972 355 3151
Gary Ross
Flower Mound,Texas,
U.S.A.
Outback design
#11REBUTTAL Owner of company
Wed, October 24, 2007
This report was fabricated by two disgruntle employees, charges with the Flower Mound police were pressed and investigations were pursued.
The same ex-employee left many unhappy clients along with a lengthy history for unhanded actions like this. I also find it unfortunate that these sites exist to damage reputations so easily and without any varification.
We encourage anyone considering Outback to go to the appropriate sources for accurate information on the company and its reputation. We are standing members of the BBB. Flower Mound City can also report on the reputation for Outback. You can also consult our web site for many tesitmonials or call us directly for a true reference list. Outback has fast become one of the main builders in Denton County, and after the completion of thousands or projects we have never had an issue or challanged that was not resolved, anyone who does know us or the Flower Mound area will also realize very quickly that we would not grow at this pace if we did not have client satisfaction our first priority. Again, something that you will quickly uncover if you speak with any of our employees or managers.
If you have trouble seeing past this then the personal attacks upon me and may character should reflect both the motive and the maturity of the persons that actually fabricated these fabrications.
I welcome anyone to call me directly regarding this infomation.
Gary Ross 972 255 3151.
Gary Ross
Flower Mound,Texas,
U.S.A.
Outback design
#11REBUTTAL Owner of company
Wed, October 24, 2007
This report was fabricated by two disgruntle employees, charges with the Flower Mound police were pressed and investigations were pursued.
The same ex-employee left many unhappy clients along with a lengthy history for unhanded actions like this. I also find it unfortunate that these sites exist to damage reputations so easily and without any varification.
We encourage anyone considering Outback to go to the appropriate sources for accurate information on the company and its reputation. We are standing members of the BBB. Flower Mound City can also report on the reputation for Outback. You can also consult our web site for many tesitmonials or call us directly for a true reference list. Outback has fast become one of the main builders in Denton County, and after the completion of thousands or projects we have never had an issue or challanged that was not resolved, anyone who does know us or the Flower Mound area will also realize very quickly that we would not grow at this pace if we did not have client satisfaction our first priority. Again, something that you will quickly uncover if you speak with any of our employees or managers.
If you have trouble seeing past this then the personal attacks upon me and may character should reflect both the motive and the maturity of the persons that actually fabricated these fabrications.
I welcome anyone to call me directly regarding this infomation.
Gary Ross 972 255 3151.
Gary Ross
Flower Mound,Texas,
U.S.A.
Outback design
#11REBUTTAL Owner of company
Wed, October 24, 2007
This report was fabricated by two disgruntle employees, charges with the Flower Mound police were pressed and investigations were pursued.
The same ex-employee left many unhappy clients along with a lengthy history for unhanded actions like this. I also find it unfortunate that these sites exist to damage reputations so easily and without any varification.
We encourage anyone considering Outback to go to the appropriate sources for accurate information on the company and its reputation. We are standing members of the BBB. Flower Mound City can also report on the reputation for Outback. You can also consult our web site for many tesitmonials or call us directly for a true reference list. Outback has fast become one of the main builders in Denton County, and after the completion of thousands or projects we have never had an issue or challanged that was not resolved, anyone who does know us or the Flower Mound area will also realize very quickly that we would not grow at this pace if we did not have client satisfaction our first priority. Again, something that you will quickly uncover if you speak with any of our employees or managers.
If you have trouble seeing past this then the personal attacks upon me and may character should reflect both the motive and the maturity of the persons that actually fabricated these fabrications.
I welcome anyone to call me directly regarding this infomation.
Gary Ross 972 255 3151.
Gary Ross
Flower Mound,Texas,
U.S.A.
Outback design
#11REBUTTAL Owner of company
Wed, October 24, 2007
This report was fabricated by two disgruntle employees, charges with the Flower Mound police were pressed and investigations were pursued.
The same ex-employee left many unhappy clients along with a lengthy history for unhanded actions like this. I also find it unfortunate that these sites exist to damage reputations so easily and without any varification.
We encourage anyone considering Outback to go to the appropriate sources for accurate information on the company and its reputation. We are standing members of the BBB. Flower Mound City can also report on the reputation for Outback. You can also consult our web site for many tesitmonials or call us directly for a true reference list. Outback has fast become one of the main builders in Denton County, and after the completion of thousands or projects we have never had an issue or challanged that was not resolved, anyone who does know us or the Flower Mound area will also realize very quickly that we would not grow at this pace if we did not have client satisfaction our first priority. Again, something that you will quickly uncover if you speak with any of our employees or managers.
If you have trouble seeing past this then the personal attacks upon me and may character should reflect both the motive and the maturity of the persons that actually fabricated these fabrications.
I welcome anyone to call me directly regarding this infomation.
Gary Ross 972 255 3151.
Emille
Argyle,Texas,
U.S.A.
Interesting facts about Outback Design, Pools, Texas Pools and Mr. Gary Ross
#11Consumer Comment
Wed, June 06, 2007
It's no surprise that Mary in Flower Mound had problems. It's surprising there aren't many more. While Outback has quite a list of testimonials on the website it's suspicious at best given his reputation in the industry.
It would be very interesting to hear Mr. Ross's explanations regarding his experience as a builder (of sorts) and his history in the area.Below are some interesting facts about Outback and Mr. Ross all of which can be documented with either local building authorities the State of Texas.
Mr. Ross and a previous partner with a drug conviction built their first pool in Flower Mound on or around August of 2002. This can be confirmed with the Town of Flower Mound permits. Mr. Ross was then doing business as Outback Pools, LLC which he filed with the State Comptroller on January 2003.
He incorporated again in May of 2003 under the name Outback Texas Pools, LLC. Both corporations are still active. He is now doing business under the name Outback Design, LLC although there is no record of this corporation with the State of Texas. He became a member of the BBB in April 2005 but states that Outback Design has been in business since January 2000. Not likely or probable but the information was provided to the BBB by Mr. Ross and the BBB does very little if any investigation as long as the membership dues are paid. Weirder yet is the fact that the BBB reports a Mason Ross as the owner of Outback Design. There is no such person.
In July 2003 Mr. Ross thought it was appropriate and ethical to steal and record the web domain name of one of his competitors BMR Pools in an attempt to redirect internet leads to his website. Although he has stopped the practice of redirecting Outback still owns the name BMRpools.com. This should tell anyone a lot about Mr. Ross (Courtesy of Network Solutions).
While Mr. Ross has a reputation for "stretching the truth" he has stretched a bit much on his own website (which is under the name OutbackPools.com) where he claims that Outback Design has been "locally owned and operated since 1994". First known project 2002. You do the math.
It's true what Mary in Flower Mound says about the rumors that Outback (you pick the name) is going out of business. Those rumors have circulated for years. It is a fact that many sub-contractors have not been paid. It would be great if some of them would step to the plate and file their own rip off report.
Any prospective consumer should do their own homework prior to entering into any legal agreements with this company, companies or Mr. Ross