Complaint Review: Outlet Distributor

I too was a victim of Outlet Distributor. A small group of us won a lawsuit against Him and he now has a bench warrant for his arrest. he WILL be arrested sooner or later. As far as I know he never went after Karren Tufford for the money he gave her. He owes me and my partners $55,500.

Jose,

Karen Tufford is in default judgment. We're waiting to see what comes out of that. I'm currently in the process of defending myself as well. I believe blame will be routed correctly. There will more than likely not be any legal updates until after the new year.

Regards,

Bob

Hello Mr. Lafever,

Is there an Update? It's been 7 months since you last posted and there is no update to the website and it's going to be 1 year since you ripped us off?

Well What's the Status? Almost 1 year and no results.

please explain.

Yep, I'm sure the legal system is going to love this one. I estimate that there are hundreds of people out there dealing with the same problem, if not a thousand....

Good luck to you too. Good luck to all of us.

It is so refreshing that you are taking steps to recoup the money. I for one do not see any end in site.

For one thing, regardless of every intentions made to do good on your part and I do believe you may have been a victim just as we are your victims in this fiasco of yours. But in a court of law they do not realy care if you got swindled, all they care is that you are going to pay the money back.

Although the courts will entertain your plea and extend time due to circumstances, but at the end of the day, they can charge you with fraud even though you prove other wise. Why? Because the complaint is against you not ATL.

Ex: In a 3 car accident I'm the first driver, you the second and ATL is the 3rd. ATL hits you, you hit me and I hit a pedestrian because of you. The pedestrian sues me, I sue you and you sue ATL. The pedestrian goes after me and I go after you. Simple as that.

I too have documents from your company and I too had all good intentions to make good and deliver the merchandise to my customers but you know what? The courts don't care.

The money will have to come from somewhere, just as people are pursuing me to pay them back through the court system, I have to do the same to you.

That's just the nature of the beast.

And another issue I want to raise. I'm a small time business man. Did you not know that Alibaba was a scam wholesaler site? I thought everybody knew (regardless of the Trustpass) that they are riddled with pure scammers look for a score.

I though that was comon knowledge. Shame on you for getting duped.

But then again, shame on me for being duped.

Good luck Mr. Lafever in your pursuit of justice in this matter. As I'll hope to be just as lucky in my pursuit with you.

When I was open for business (Believing that a product would be delivered), you probably remember a man by the name of Carl answering the phones. I kept him on phones all the way up until we no longer had patience to wait for the products. Many customers were very angry and upset with the delays. We could not wait any longer. Believing that the refund would be a no problem situation, I politely asked ATL Electronics for a complete refund of all the money that was sent to them in early January, 2006. This was actually done in the first week. I had set a tolerance at that point where I wouldn't wait after a certain date and when that date finally hit, I asked for the refund.

ATL Electronics said, no problem... we'll have it to you in a week. Great. In the mean time, I keep paying Carl to handle the phones for another 2 weeks.... where's the money ATL Electronics? All while he's handling the phones, I'm thinking that he's going to soon need mental help. He was getting cursed at, called every name in the book. The problem is that every customer has every right to be mad about this. I then decided that I was just focused on getting the money back from ATL Electronics, then distributed back to clients. I've set up various boards/forums.. but was shot down miserably with every attempt to keep customers updated. I apologize that you were not aware of any of these public update web sites. I do admit a bit of unorganization on my part to distribute this information, but a lot of clients lost all sense of doing anything in a civil manner.

I don't want anything bad to happen to you, or any one else that I presold this merchandise to. This venture has been the worst mistake of my life and I'm sure it's the worst of yours as well. I receive attorney threats all the time. I've dealt with the attorney general multiple times (still dealing with them). I'm trying my hardest to cover myself due to the fact that I had no criminal intentions. It seems that the only way communication will take place now is through the legal system. I'm not afraid of this because I have nothing to hide. In fact, I have about 200 pages of documentation to show that I had every intention to purchase the merchandise and deliver.

ATL Electronics saw a chance to gather people's money during the holiday season, they deceptively set up an entity claiming to be dealing directly through Microsoft, Apple and Sony. False documentation 'proving' delivery gaurantee was even fabricated by them. They were trustpassed through Alibaba and are a corporation of the state of Georgia.

I will not stop persuing Karen Tufford until the funds have been returned. I have been trying to come up with different ways to begin generating money myself to start paying back some clients, but it's a lot of money. There are some opportunities available for me to do that but unfortunately they don't happen over night. If I had the entire $195,950 in my pocket, customers would be paid off. I would then persue Karen for my money and not my customer's.

There's really not much more I can say. I just hope it all ends very soon.

I'm glad we are in conversation. This is the most communication I have ever received from you.

But explain yourself, why did you not return emails, phone calls or even respond back to your clients? Why did you suddenly stop all your communication, cut your phone and fax numbers and not let us know of the situation?

At that point it became suspicious and deceitful and yes, we rightfully felt you are ripping us off.

You left us holding the bag in this matter without explanation. Now you have a blog explaining the situation which is a positive step but for months you led us to believe that our merchandise was in route and we used the information to relay to our clients and now we have to deal with the avalanche of bullshit rolling downhill from you.

THAT'S MY BONE OF CONTENTION WITH YOU.

You misled us with no explanation as to why.

I am angry along with other people you stiffed. You have this attitude that you are not at fault. So your saying "I'm f'ed, so your f'ed too."

Do I got that right Buddy?

Did you not read my post? I didn't rip anyone off. Listen... see if this sounds familiar.

You have clients under you who you have to pay money back to. You are my client, one among many that I have. I sent the money to another company, just as you sent it to me. In order for you to give the money back to your clients you must get it back from me, and in order for me to give you the money back, I must get it back from ATL Electronics.

How do I sleep at night? The same way you do. I didn't rip anyone off! I'm in the SAME POSITION AS YOU ARE. THINK ABOUT IT. Am I liable for your money? ABSOLUTELY. Are you liable for your clients money? ABSOLUTELY. Is ATL Electronics liable for the money you've given to me which I've then sent to them for merchandise? YES. This is a supply chain. I am not the end link. I do not have the money. If I am taken to court, I will not refuse to refund, in fact I would be happy to refund you. I'm just waiting to get the money back from the company that really held it up. ATL ELECTRONICS. Go to my web site at www.outletdistributor.com for a case number.

My business is RUINED just like yours is. I am in the same shoes as you buddy. See you in court...

Hello Bob,

First of all I'm glad you're manning up and sticking your head out the ground.

Just to let you know, you have damaged my business that I cannot recover because of your bullshit. I used to run a small mom and pop flea market business until you ripped me off and stolen my livelihood. I did not have the money to cover you ripping me off.

You gave me a runaround like no other bullshit artist has ever given me. You tell me that my products are on the way, I ask for proof you show nothing, then you have your patsy Carl try to reassure me that my refund will be available within one week and there is none, then you dance around issue after issue and you knew all to well that you didn't have Jack s**t!

I am still refunding my customers and barely making a living because of you.

I had to close my shop and I have at least 3 court appearances that I have to go to and answer as to why I can't pay these people their money.

I am banned from doing business on eBay, PayPal has locked me out of my account until all monies (that I don't have) are paid up. All because of Bob Lafever.

You cut off your phone, fax, email and website without one single explanation to me or to your clients. In my book you ripped us off.

I wired money to you in your account. So it's you I'm going after.

I'm in the process of joining the class action law suit against you in Missouri represented by Anthony Pezzani with Doster, Mickes, James, Ullom, Benson & Guest.. You will pay for your deceit, lies and dishonesty.

You have caused nothing but misery to me and family and I will make sure you will pay for it in a court of law.

I wonder how you sleep at night knowing you ripped people off. Then again since you never replied to my inquiry I'd guess it no sweat to you.

The money from all client's preordered merchandise was sent to ATL Electronics, INC, AKA a woman named Karen Tufford in Marietta GA. She is the one who has not turned over the products and now delays returning the original purchase. We've made every attempt that we can make at this time to get the funds returned. Her local detective is now investigating her and the case has been passed on to 'Padgett' from the Internet Fraud Investigation division.

We managed to get Karen Tufford to sign paperwork accepting liability for the money received and damaged owed to ALL clients. Once this money is returned, damages will be paid out along with the original funds.

In short, my company did not run off with any money. I have no money in my possession. I am trying to get it back. Once it has been gotten back, it will be returned. I sincerely apologize for this situation. Documentation can be made available at moments notice proving that no criminal activity has taken place on my end.

Regards,

Bob LaFever
Outlet Distributor LLC

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Outlet Distributor Won't Deliver
The Goods, Class Action Claims

CLAYTON, MO. A Michigan business is good at collecting money, but not at delivering the goods, a class action lawsuit claims in St. Louis County Court. Named plaintiffs Eric Eisenberg, Kenny Chapman, Flex & Co. and Get Rid of This claim they paid Outlet Distributor and Bob Lafever more than $103,000 for products that never arrived. The class seeks punitive damages and is represented by Anthony Pezzani with Doster, Mickes, James, Ullom, Benson & Guest.