Complaint Review: Paragon USA - Paramount - New Line Technologies

Matt,

Finally a wise decision on your part. Not to publicly embarrass yourself and your cohorts. Any body can start a business, keeping it going is another matter. School can teach you the basics but the rest comes from experience. What experience do you have Matt? The experience that is displayed on this web site for all to see? You discussed business failures. What happened to Twin Dynasty? Is this the experience that Bwana can relate to?

You haven't learned that your business is a stealth mission. Everything you do should be done out of the publics eye yet you keep throwing wood on the fire by replying in this public forum. The lesions are coming. I have forwarded all on the South Carolina press both T.V. and newspapers. The citizens of South Carolina can now have a choice as to whether you provide opportunities for you or for them. No businessperson I know started out by providing an opportunity for the masses. They start companies to make a living for themselves and their families. Paragon isn't a benevolent association. Paragon exists to put money in Bwana's pocket. Nothing wrong with that, capitalism. The question will come from the authorities on the product you really sell.

Bwana wants you to shut up now; you're a poor representative.

John,

You make this big talk of how your so succesful and how if I want to convince you that I need to show you the money. What I can say is that I am in a higher tax bracket and I am much younger than you. However, you should heed your own advice and put up or SHUT UP! If you have all this evidence and material that allows you to make an example of people then do something as opposed to talking on this website. AS a matter of fact this will be my last posting with regard to you because I could care less what you think about me, my proffesion, my success or anything els about my life. We all make decisions about the people we hang around and you have made yours and I have made mine. If all you do to get to know people is investigate them then no wonder you hang around lawyers and P.I. but ask yourself what is your mission in life. To provide justice for those too stupid to learn how our legal system works for them. Look you can do whatever you like and think about what you want but I garuntee that your company had received compliants in regards to payment or charges for services rendered. What makes you different.

IF someone who owned six Mc'Ds and suggested that you take the same course of action. So you buy a franchise and because you choose not to take your business seriously, you fail. Would you claim that your friend scammed you into buying a McDonalds. You realize that these ads you focus on do bring in the wrong type of people. They typically attract people who are lazy and are looking for a quick buck not a business. Most of Network marketing is based off of personal refferals as opposed to ads. Would you blame your friend for every financial loss they had somehting to do with. If so you need to look in a mirror and at the people you associate yourself with. Look good luck with your business and if you choose to spend time away from your business to investigate ours then so be it. Otherwise quit taking opportunities from motivatable people that read what is on this website. Good luck to you.

Well I have not received proofs of success that I mentioned earlier and my friend that was stupid enough to hand over his cash to them has of course figured out what the game is. Bwana's answer to his lack of assets is that everything is in his mother's name. Now I have to ask why that is? Most people, especialy those in business use the equity of the home as financial leverage. Isn't in your name, you don't have buying power. I'm at a 35% tax backet. The interest I pay for the mortage I am able to take off the bottom line. How is Bwana getting that kind of advantage exactly? Because it isn't what you make, it's what you keep.

Part of my buying power is to have clean credit. Bwana has public records for minscule amount's of debt that he hasn't paid. Not a good financial decision, would have better to put those in his mothers name.

Bwana likes to boast that if everthing isn't what he says it is, he will give the Founders fees back. Give John his money back Bwana or I will have to make an example out of you.

Matt,

Show us, don't tell us of the success. I pulled up plenty of records that says Bwana Thurman is not successful. How can you teach it if you can't do it? A 10 year old Beemer, judgments in small claims courts and a lack of real estate holdings don't spell leadership material to me.

A question I have asked before. Successful people know how to do it. How many successful people have expressed an interest in joining the program? How many self made men/women are sitting there? Matt show me the money.

Smoke and mirrors. Matt I'd be shocked to know if you have earned a dime there. Send your pay stub to the editor here. I talking real money...6 figures. You'll get my attention then...I'll send mine to the editor along with a list of my assets. The public can judge who knows what success is or is not.

Here's the bottom line. At the end of the day real men are going to judge other men by their honor. Not the car the watch or the house. What do you and Bwana have to support your success claim? I'm sure The Richmond Times would like to know so they can get their money from him.

For that matter send your real name and with your permission I will run a credit bureau on you to see what kind of business man you are.

The ads are designed to deceive unsofisticated business people. Not stupid...just not understanding of the pitfalls that have been set by predators.

Put up or shut up Matt!

I am fortunate enough to have a business that employs attorneys and private investigators across the US. One of my friends went to work for Paragon and called to ask my thoughts. I knew within 1 minute there were problems. Clearly casual searching the internet will show many of them.

The Secretary of States Office in Florida lists Paragon USA, Inc. as an active corporation. Bwana Thurman is the registered agent and the president. Marie is the Secretary. The office listed is 5783 Mining Terrace Ste 6 Jacksonville, FL 32257.

Bwana A. Thurman drives a 10 year old 740 BMW with vanity SC plate ODOUBT. Bwana has at least three judgments in Richmond, VA for money owed to the Richmond Times, ads for folks like you.

You will find he is the officer listed for Phoenix USA and another in FL.

His properties seem to consist of one in Alabama, hardly what I call motivational.

Currently at least Indiana and Florida Attorneys General have a file open on Paregon and/or others of Bwana's business'. You will find a news report from Indiana on Twin Dynasties.

The Federal Trade Commission or course shut down Equinox. There is also recent actions against companies founded by former employees of Equinox. The theme of course is exactally the same as Paragon, a Multi Level Marketing system that the authorities have trouble with. Amway was able to avert closure because they actually do sell product but were censored by the FTC for making income promises that were not true. Amway was fined $25,000.000.00 for similar violations.

I have spoken to the Office of Consumer affairs in South Carolina. There is a file on Paragon USA. I have also spoken to the South Carolina Attorney Generals Office and they are also aware.

Folks...if it is too good to be true it probably is. I have worked at my career for 20 years to get to the level I am. Don't think you will in 1 year. These ads are designed to lure in lower income people that want the American dream.

By the way. The "Founder" of Equinox was fined $40,000,000.00 and banned from Multi Level Marketing.

Now the fun part. I have a private investigator standing by in SC to go to work at Paragon. They won't know who but he/she will be gathering evedence. You never know, they might be working there now.

And you clown friends of Bwana's put up your pay stubs before you respond. I am one of the upper 2% earners in the US and don't have any issue showing you what I have, most of it's public info anyway. If you have a success story, show me, don't tell me. And if you haven't figured it out I am making a list and checking it twice on who's part of the business. Get on the list.

I am fortunate enough to have a business that employs attorneys and private investigators across the US. One of my friends went to work for Paragon and called to ask my thoughts. I knew within 1 minute there were problems. Clearly casual searching the internet will show many of them.

The Secretary of States Office in Florida lists Paragon USA, Inc. as an active corporation. Bwana Thurman is the registered agent and the president. Marie is the Secretary. The office listed is 5783 Mining Terrace Ste 6 Jacksonville, FL 32257.

Bwana A. Thurman drives a 10 year old 740 BMW with vanity SC plate ODOUBT. Bwana has at least three judgments for in Richmond, VA for money owed to he Richmond Times, ads for folks like you.

You will find he is the office listed for Phoenix USA and another in FL.

His propertys seem to consist of one in Alabama, hardly what I call motivational.

Currently at least Indiana and Florida Attorneys General have a file open on Paregon and/or others of Bwana's business'. You will find a news report from Indiana on Twin Dynasties.

The Federal Trade Commission or course shut down Equinox. There is also recent actions against companies founded by former employees of Equinox. The theme of course is exactally the same as Paragon, a Multi Level Marketing system that the authorities have trouble with. Amway was able to avert closure because they actually do sell product but were censored by the FTC for making income promises that were not true. Amway was fined $25,000.000.00 for similar violations.

I have spoken to the Office of Consumer affairs in South Carolina. There is a file on Paragon USA. I have also spoken to the South Carolina Attorney Generals Office and they are also aware.

Folks...if it is too good to be true it probably is. I have worked at my career for 20 years to get to the level I am. Don't think you will in 1 year. These ads are designed to lure in lower income people that want the american dream.

By the way. The "Founder" of Equinox was fined $40,000,000.00 and banned from Multi Level Marketing.

Now the fun part. I have a private investigator standing by in SC to go to work at Paragon. They won't know who is but he/she will be gathering evedence. You never know, they might be working there now.

And you clown friends of Bwana's put up your pay stubs before you respond. I am one of the upper 2% earners in the US and don't have any issue showing you what I have most of it's public info anyway. If you have a success story, show me, don't tell me. And if if you haven't figured it out I am making a list and checking it twice on who part of the business. Get on the list.

I get the feeling that many people are so quick to judge the tremendous opportunity that Paragon USA has to offer. IT sounds to me that Steven was expecting to have a BMW given to him. I only know o few people who have a BMW given to them and that was by their parents, who by the way, had to work extremely hard and smart in order to afford that car. If you have never been to one of those training then you don't have any basis to criticize it. It is not Paragon USA that made you broke and had you calling ads in the paper, so take responsibility for your own situation. If you are unhappy with your situation then do something about it. If I were you I would start to listen to the people who have the things that you want, like a BMW, and do what they do if I were you. That seems like the intelligent thing to do but of course no one can force you to make intelligent decisions. Obviously, your decisions over the last five years have put you in the situation that your it today. Whether you want to be a lawyer, doctor, educator, nurse, fireman, policeman or any other proffesion you must get trained properly. Regardless of how intelligent you think you are, I hope that nobody listens to you unless they want the things that you have. At this point I think you should seriously open your mind to the fact that the world does not operate the way you think it does and start making intelligent decision for yourself and stop letting other people make those decisions for you. I wish the best of luck Steven, but please do not knock the opportunity that has provided so much for me and many others because it was not exactly what you expected when you interpreted the ad in the paper.

i saw an ad in the newspaper that said "DRIVE A BMW" so i called them because i wanted to drive a BMW. well, to make a long story short, they wanted me to become a manager right away and i needed to attend a training course or something like that. they told me that i would have to pay $200 to go and if i didn't, than i wouldn't be able to be a "manager" with them and than i should come back next month. non-the-less, i didn't and don't plan on it. it was just a sales pitch and a scam. i would NOT recommend anyone to this company to buy from or work from.

I understand that because of the industry (that being Network Marketing) does lend itself to unethical behavior, that some people out there have had some very bad things happen to them. I do however, want anyone who read this to understand that it is not logical to lump all those in the industry together. I hear people say that every company in the industry looks the same. Well of course they do. Do all real estate companies have things in common in the way they operate? It doesn't make sense to say that they are all the same and if a few bad apples have done unethical things then everyone invovled in real estate are cheats. Not all car salesman are bad people. AS a matter of fact you have to realize that those people just like you and I are trying to provide the best for them and their families. I reall feel as though ignorance tends to shine through in bunches on this sight. Many people, whether they love MLM or hate it, tend to respond based on emotion and try to justify their emotions with select facts.

As for your comment about our company training. It seems to me like you either never attended, or just wasted your money and didn't pay attention. I have attended almost every training we have had since I joined this incredible company, and not only have I learned a tremendous amount about this business and myself, I have only heard positive things from those I personally know who have attended. The comment about a pep rally just holds no water to anyone who attended. I not saying that you won't get a little excited, but who wouldn't with an opportunity to change there future.

If YOU focused on the recruiting then you obviously didn't pay attention to what was being taught. While our goal as a company is tho get these products into the hands of the consumer, it just makes sense to have other people helping you out, but again if the products are not sold, NOBODY gets PAID!! Or you may just not realize that the only way to build wealth is to have either money at work or people at work. Since most people in or society today have more access to people than they do to money then it makes sense for them to use the resources that they have to attain the ones you don't. That is why we have an office enviroment so that people in those offices can help each other achieve there goals. Those offices are independently owned by the Directors in the company. If you owned an office would you allow people to use that space whenever they wanted for free? The value of having a desk is clear to anyone who has both had one and who have tried to do the business without one. If you knew the slightest idea about how business (any business) works then you would understand that successful people use other peoples money. Take a look at your bank. You know the largest building downtown. It is ridiculous to expect those Directors to burden the cost of the office while you and I work for free. IT the same way a salon rents out its chairs to individual stylist. It is not required with the company, but as a desk holder who has tried it both ways, I woud highly reccomend it. If you can be successful without a dask then by all means you can do that. It won't matter to anyone but you.

As for the product lines we use just do your own research. Look at how many companies represent the same lines we do. It would just be stupid for Wendy's to stop sellng hamburgers or Budwieser to stop selling beer because some people don't think that people need it. Let the numbers speak for themselves. I am going to suggest that if you are skeptical of the product lines, do your own research and make your own decisions, and please alow others to do the same. Not everyone hold the same values or has the same impression of what is valuable to them. Let people use the education that they paid for and make an educated decision for themselves.

As for individuals in the company, I have nothing bad to say about any of them. NO I don't agree with everything that they do or say. However, I have never been asked to do anything that they would not do themselves. I do get suggestions from some of the leaders in the company on how I should approach my business. I greatly appreciate those comments, and I am allowed to make my decision. As a matter of fact no one can force you to do anything. The only reason you would feel that way is because you are weak. And that is one of the main priciples that have been taught not only by Mr. Thurman, but also by the directors in the company. One thing I love about the way Mr. Thurman teaches is he does it by example. that is the sign of a true leader and all of us could learn something from that gentleman about ethics, drive, work ethic, and determination. One thing he teaches is to follow those who have the results in life that you want. Whether those be financal, emotional, spiritual, or otherwise, it is up to you to make that decision. If you really knew this gentleman then I don't see how you can say those things about him, And to be honest with all of you out there, it seems to me that those who know him well would be a better opinion than those who only know OF him.