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Complaint Review: Primerica

Primerica eating the gullible Primerica, part of the Citigroup bordelines the pyramid scheme" needs to be reported to authorithies ripoff to consumers In Laval (North Of Montreal) Quebec


*UPDATE: Primerica recognized by Rip-off Report a business opportunity well worth considering - it's not for everyone but many representatives make solid commission incomes. Primerica takes appropriate action against representatives conducting themselves improperly, pledges 100% commitment to customer service.

  • Reported By:
    Lorraine Quebec
  • Submitted:
    Mon, June 09, 2003
  • Updated:
    Tue, July 08, 2003

Here's the story but forgive the english since it's not my native language.

You people know the works. This guy I don't know calls me, says he's from Primerica, part of the Citigroup and schedules me for a interview. Nice, but odd. How did he got a hold of my CV? He was pretty vague on what would be the actual job but I guessed it would be selling insurance or something like that. I was lukewarm over this, but I wanted to see what was that about anyway.

I get there on Saturday, the fat dude that called me explained: "Pershaps I forgot to tell you on the phone, but before the interview we have you attend this client presentation so you learn more about the company"

Fair enough.

Then says: "If I remember, you have a Bachelor of Business Administration (B.A.A.) with specialization in Finance, right?"
"nope"
"Marketing?"
"nope"
"HR?"
"nope, it was IT"
"aaaaah correct"
Odd, he said over the phone he had the same diploma and now he can't remember.

He showed me the room, with gold plaques musing the outstanding achievements of Primerica associates. plaques written 5000$ mostly. The fat guy had his for recruiting 14 people. Weird kind of achievement, I though.

They were about 30 people there to listen for the presentation. (mostly potential recruits, only 4 or so clients, despite the fat guy said it would be mostly clients) Two guys were doing the presentation, one of them was the head guru. He presented the other one like this: "he came to fix the coke machine, we got to talk and he's been working for us for 2 years now!" (Later on, the alleged ex-Coke machine repair guy said he had a B.A.A. That's funny, I must have missed those Soda Machine repair classes! ;))

The presentation was in two part. In the first part, the Coke guy was "teaching" us about home finance, dazzeling the audience with graphs and basic financial math. When I raised my hand to ask questions about a particular graph, he said to write my question down and save it for the end of the presentation. I had more questions pilling when they tried to rationalize that old people don't need much life insurance. (It's sure makes sense for the insurer since old people have the nasty habbit of dying. But let's not forget that the longer you live, the longer you would have time to spend the capital you have kept for retirement leaving less for your childrens.)

The Coke guy did his share of preaching too. "We save people from the evil banks"

I am not too fond of bank greediness, so the part about doing profitable business playing fair, being a good guy sounded good but cracks in the wall where already apparent in the Primerican utopia.

During the second part, the Guru talked about his own melodramatic story on how his whole family was "saved" from debt by Primerica, instead of being a lowly teacher like he was going to be, that he has been successful in Primerica since '93 and that his whole family is now working in the business. (He said earlier that Primerica had just starting operating here in quebec, so I don't know how he killed time in the last 10 years.) He talked about the story of this or that guy that used to be a milkman and now earns 120000$ working 5h/week. He made a big emphasis on how everybody could do it since it's so easy. Silly me, I had thought my diploma had anything to do with the "interview" call.

At that point, I stayed mostly to see how they would handle the question I've had pilled up. Of course, since I couldn't question any data as they showed it, they would be out of context by the time I have a chance to ask them but I wanted to ask them anyway. But when the coke-guy finished his part, he had quickly left the room has the Head Guru took over the presentation for the second part. So the question period was after the whole presentation?

The Guru finished with the pay system, to me that was third strike. 500$ commission to the guy that hired me each time I get 800$? Even if you say: "that's only 800$ for 10h of work!" That's still almost 40% of the total commision. And that's quite a hefty tribute while you're stuck in eternal vassalship. When he ended the presentation, he pointed to the corner where to register for the next week informational/training presentation and left the room in a hurry. I guess the scheme was so thin that neither of the two primerica guys couldn't afford to answer any questions. =)

Most people were lining up to sign while I left for the exit. The Fat guy was waiting for his prospects at the office door. He asked:
"So?"
"I don't think i'm interested"
"You're more looking for a job in the IT field,heh?"
"Not really, it's that this bordelines the pyramid scheme"

He gave me a uneasy smile, babbled something and the girl he was having a conversation with chuckled. He concluded with: "Well, I'll call you back anyway"

Now exept my time, I haven't lost anything. But my mother's boyfriend seems there's enough oddities to be reported to the authorithies. I doubt they can do anything, I'm sure the red umbrella crew have enough lawyer for immunity. He says he'll report them (he works for the police), so we'll see how it goes.

Any legal action precedents forcing the closure of an Primerica office in USA and Canada?

Andrew
Lorraine, Quebec
U.S.A.

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4 Updates & Rebuttals


L.L.

Denver,
Colorado,
U.S.A.

Thanks for the tip

#5Consumer Comment

Mon, July 07, 2003

I was left a message by someone from Primerica, a division of Citigroup (I suppose the association with citigroup adds credibility), who wanted to talk about career opportunities.
The answering machine identified the business as Primerica. I "googled" the company and found this response.

Thanks to "rip-off revenge" and Andrew from Lorraine P.Q. for helping me to avoid a painful day.

(p.s. Andrew your English is much better than my Francaise)


Inthegame

Montreal,
Quebec,
Canada

I WAS THERE ..You were lucky to recognize the scam

#5UPDATE EX-employee responds

Fri, June 13, 2003

You were lucky to recognize the scam, I was sucked in for 3-4 years and lost 1 property and fought off bankruptcy to keep my principle residence. I was sucked in so deep that I lost some friends and not on speaking terms with some family members. Basically I was brainwashed.

I was labeled a success in Crimerica; I recruited like a mad-person and won trips, not money, for the recruits. I cant believe I was so blind that I would subject others to this selfish-evil company.

All the investment I sold in Crimerica did so poorly that I cant believe I did that to my family and friends; you know how Crimerica gets clients, they make the new recruit go after the hot market"family and close friends, after those sales, you're on your own. Im still in finance and have almost recovered all the losses that I have incurred onto my clients and feel great about it.

Thats my story.

Just in response to the article; when I first join this company there was a sting operations with some French TV news magazine show with hidden cameras and the whole works. As a result I recall that 3 or 4 offices closed in Quebec with multiple firings. Just to tell you the crookedness of this company

In response to the last rebuttal, Crimerica does make money with recruiting. The years I was there, they boasted that they recruited 60 or 70 thousand new recruits; at $199 per recruit you are talking about tens of millions of dollars. And I know for a fact that not all new recruits get their financial services licenses,As a matter of fact most recruits don't get their licences; they leave way before any studying takes place.


TIm

Grand Haven,
Michigan,
U.S.A.

Unethical? Yes... Illegal? Probably not

#5Consumer Comment

Wed, June 11, 2003

Andrew... kudos to you for having the sense to recognize a scam when you see one. You have, most likely, saved yourself alot of time and money by running away from your "opportunity meeting."

While Primerica is a de facto pyramid scheme, they are not an illegal pyramid scheme as defined by the U.S. Federal Trade Commission. IN order for an organization to be classiified as an illegal pyramid scheme at least 30% of its income must come from people who are inside the organization. What this means is that, if your products never make it to an end consumer more than 30% of the time, too much of your income is derived from the purchases of failed distributors who are never able to resell the product they purchased.

Primerica avoids this classification because they don't require a product purchase of their employees. They do require a start-up fee, but this fee largely funds the necessary liscensing process and, as far as I know, does not represent income on the part of Primerica.

Primerica has been pretty sucessful at closing their legal holes, and they run a legal and legitimate business. That is not to say that they run an ethical business, and many of us would argue that they don't.

The only enforcement action that I know of resulting in the closing of an office was in Dearborn, Michigan a few years back. In this case, however, the agents involved were practicing illegal activities that went beyond their Primerica mandate.


Kim

Gilbert,
Arizona,
U.S.A.

Please email reporfraud@monster.com if you were contacted

#5Consumer Suggestion

Mon, June 09, 2003

Also file a complaint with the appropriate website if Primerica contacted you if you had your resume posted somewhere. These guys are pathetic and will stop at nothing to sucker people in. Be sure you have the name and phone number of the Primerica rep that contacted you.

reportfraud@monster.com.

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