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Prolympian International LLC Karen Sabourin Prolympian International Coaching Scam Internet
We were told that by signing up with Prolympian Coaching (now name has changed to Prolympian International) that we would have access to 82k clients through an assumed military contract. No recording of Karen's seminars or online workshops were allowed and after 6 months with the potential program I can only tell you that what she says is a "moving target". She will deny and punitively haze anyone who confronts her about what she says.
The training was not really training from my point of view (and many other coaches that I spoke with). It consists of her speaking for several hours on a Saturday morning about how she has helped so many people, how great the program is and if anyone is complaining it is because they "have not done the work on themselves".
I have considerable experience in hynosis training and I can tell you that her style of emotional manipulation is very consistent with "brainwashing" techniques. She even boasts in her training seminars how hypnosis works as she was a former stage hypnotist -is to get the audience to really want something or a result and then keep them in a state of confusion. (by the way not all credible hypnotist do this but it can and does work)
Believe me when i tell you that I have experienced this first hand with Karen's program. After 6 months of being told the clients are coming and distracting us with website problems, using HiIPPA compliance issues as an excuse and then telling us recently that the organization that she has the contract with wants this, or wants that and we have to do this in order to get that- most coaches are at wicks end.
Many top leaders close to Karen have resigned due to knowing insider information about the inaccuracies of her statements. She will tell you if she was rebutting to this review that these insiders just haven't resolved their own issues (it's always about everyone else and NOT her!)
Here is a quote that was on the original website that has been taken down.
“Already have a contract in place for our first project that covers nearly 82,000 clients plus their household members and extended family members around the globe. It is estimated this one contract alone will engage a half of a million clients immediately. And we already have several other contracts….”
Other coaches who have resigned are doing so all with the general premise that- The promised start date of August 1, 2016, October 26, 2016 and so many other statements of “we start seeing clients next week”. As of todays date we have yet to see even one client. Some coaches who were close to her even called the supposed client, identified who they were and the client who led the organization to which Prolympian was supposed be contracted with denied any involvement. To this, Karen rebuttalled "of course the client is not going to say they have a contract when somebody calls them out of the blue. Would you give out any information about your organization if somebody called you?" She uses assumptive language to make it seem like if you side with the information that is contrary to what she wants you to believe their must be something wrong with you. Again, she is skilled at using the powers of persuasion.
When a group is mass-hypnotized by a desire of the coaches or people getting involved to help so many people for such a worthy cause, it is difficult to find logical reason to not want to believe someone who tells you they have good intentions.
Most of us that resigned, resigned because we stayed involved for so long without seeing any real clients that the "hope of" seeing them started to diminish and we could no longer put our lives on hold. Karen stated that she will not offer any refunds as she had put a clause in her sign up material that says coaches will only get a refund if they do not receive monies from clients in the amount equal to what they have paid for signup (minus any payment they would potentially have received from working on clients.) However, the fact that she has manipulated the facts and not produced evidence of a contract (under the guise that it is for confidentiality) makes this quest to help others a moving target. It's also a perfect way of not having to disclose the truth or to be able to manipulate the truth. If i was a single unhappy coaching client then i would just be one dissatisfied consumer and you might be tempted to pass this message by. However, when top leaders- coaches near Karen who put their heart and soul into this project step down, you have to ask yourself why?
When there is no evidence of an official contract with a group to have access to 82k clients you might want to ask if this is a risk or not that you can bear? And when there is no recourse to get the investment back you have to ask is that worth your risk?
Lastly, her marketing materials now talk about "brainsweep" as if this is some magical thing she has been doing for some time. She told us that the reason that we had all of the delays with the "contract" (what she refers to as the client we supposedly are working for) is because we were missing something- and then she got back from her Rome trip and introduced this new concept of BrainSweep. Which is nothing more then a visualization technique she came up with.
The last straw for many of us coaches is that Karen told us that repeatedly over the 6 months that we were not doing Mind Work that instead we were working on the Brain. And if anyone was caught doing hypnosis or mind work we would be "dealt with". Despite her punitive nature, i think she forgot that some of us are trained therapists and hypnotherapists and we saw right through her distortion of "brain vs mind" work when she introducted a "mind" technique and used that as an excuse for why we did not have any clients coming through to us yet.
New people will not be able to see what many of us have seen behind the scenes. If you are a coach or healer and want to help people it is easy to get pulled into this type of organization. But those of us that have been through the last 6 months and have lost $1000-1500 wanted to post a buyers beware message for you so that at least you hopefully see this and can ask some questions:
1. will i be able to see the contract?
2. if i do not see or receive clients within the first 30 days, can i get my money back?
3. what other expenses will i incurr?
4. will i be able to interact with other coaches on the Ryver forum?
5. will I be able to see your official company address
6. do you like authoritarian style of communication and teaching?
I hope that this message finds those that are on the fence and don't want to get lured into something base on your own good intentions. This seemed to be the common ground between all the coaches who have left and have no recourse to get their money back.
1 Updates & Rebuttals
Barbara
Largo,Florida,
United States
Reply To: the Threat of Death that I Received today, July 2, 2022
#2UPDATE Employee
Sat, July 02, 2022
Written by the CEO, Karen Sabourin, MCHT
ATTENTION:
ARE YOU AND YOURS READY TO LIVE WITH THE DEATHS OF THE CHILDREN THAT YOU COULD HAVE PREVENTED?
I AM NOT SAYING THIS TO HURT YOU. I AM SAYING IT IN HOPES THAT YOU WILL …STOP…AND LISTEN …. AND HEAR … AND FEEL … WHAT IS REAL. I am saying this to you FOR you and FOR your loved ones!
CARE ABOUT YOU ENOUGH TO SPEND ENOUGH TIME FEELING AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT IT WILL DO TO YOU. Your loved ones, your family, your community, will have to live with what you will do to YOU.
Statistics show that you will hate what you have NOT done to stop these deaths. You will not be able to defend doing nothing to stop other people from THE JUSTIFYING and THE RATIONALIZING rants that allows these deaths to even be possible! How will you explain your process of getting you to numb yourself to the facts of these preventable deaths to your own family and friends? Are you also asking them to ok these deaths?!
Surely you have understood that good people cannot live with it! Good people commit suicide every single day because of it. Soldiers, police persons, nurses, schoolteachers, staff in morgues and cemeteries, church leaders, janitors who clean up the blood, and neighbors who stood by and did NOTHING to prevent the deaths…. die every single day from suicides!
It is NOT ABOUT WHO DID SOMETHING TO MAKE SOMEONE ELSE MAD ENOUGH TO CAUSE THE OTHER PERSON TO GET MAD!
It is about when you listen to the wailing grief of their parents. It is about the agony of that will replace your justification of doing NOTHING! It is about your deep love for your loved ones. Especially if you have your OWN CHILDREN!
You will suddenly have to think about every child that is NOT going home tonight.
It is about putting your own children in their beds tonight!!
The parent in you suddenly gets it!! The parent in you, the GOOD You…. Is suddenly overwhelmed with the deepest truth of TRUTHS!
You maybe thought that you had thought about it before. BUT now you suddenly realize that you did think about it. The part of you that goes to work. The part of you who votes. The part of you who wants to succeed. The part of you who must make enough money to pay your bills. Yes, you really thought about it as a choice. A “them versus us” choice that you rationalized. You truly believed that you had thought enough about it! WOW!
ONLY NOW, can you see! and feel! And KNOW!
You are seeing the full picture of the reality of what your choice to do nothing …… has literally ALLOWED to happen to sooo many parents of these dead children! The brothers and sisters, and their friends!!!
SUDDENLY and finally ...The good you is present enough to see these children who have senselessly died! NOW YOU CAN’T STOP thinking about their BODIES, about their EMPTY BEDROOMS, their EMPTY BEDS, their empty yards, EVERY NIGHT FOREVER!
I see clients every single day who literally beg me to save them from themselves. These good people are the ones who don’t want to commit suicide because they know their families don’t deserve to have to live with losing someone who said they truly love their family! I have listened to their grief overwhelming them, every second of every day! I have listened to them saying they didn’t plan to commit suicide, but they just suddenly were doing it. Instead, they rushed to contact me.
HOW MANY DEATHS HAVE YOU CAUSED, ALLOWED, DISMISSED, PERMITTED, DENIED DOING?
How many school shootings have you caused with your CYBERBULLYING? Have you trained your children to think cyberbullying is the “way it is done nowadays?” Have you taught your child to be a bully?
How many bankruptcies have you caused with your CYBERSMEARING? How many meetings with marketing companies have bragged about doing it?
How many of the children of the people that your cybersmearing shamed into committing suicide, have been unable to do nothing after burying their loved one? How many of them end up justifying shooting the classmates who made them hate being themselves? and the teachers that helped with silence?
How many times have you expected your loved ones not to be ok with you using cyberbullying and cybersmearing? What did you think your kids would think when they found out it caused these deaths?
How many co-workers have you thought should approve your “strength” to stand up?
By cybersmearing? By cyberstalking? By you spreading the threat to character assassinations?
AND WHEN YOUR CHILD AN ADULT CHILD, called me today to apologize for what you… their parent did that caused a death, or lots of deaths, … should I react and yell or snub the person? OR SHOULD I RECOGNIZE A PERSON WHO IS PREPARING TO COMMIT SUICIDE because unlike their parent… this good person cannot live with what their parent is doing to myself and my company who saves lives?
TODAY… I sincerely spent 3 hours and 17 minutes with your adult child who had already gotten ready to end their life TODAY for real…. Because of the overwhelming shame this GOOD person feels when you are bragging to so many people online about your bold efforts to try to ruin my business that works every day… to save every child… in every school… in your nation!!! This adult child had counted all of the bodies of all of the children, the teens, the adults, the staff, the teachers, the police and first responders, who you had justified harming!
TODAY, I carefully asked your adult child to stay alive! I promised your child, to go public today, to break my silence today, about the number of deaths that are happening every single day from cyberbullying, cybersmearing, cyberstalking, and casually “normalizing” school shootings. Your child finally agreed to stay alive, long enough for me to go public about how many kids are going to grow up and have to deal with their parent killing so many kids by cyberbullying, cybersmearing, cyberstalking, and inciting mob bullying.
I TRULY HOPE THAT YOU ARE LISTENING, AND HEARING WHAT THIS GENERATION HAS DONE TO THEIR OWN FAMILY MEMBERS AND CO-WORKERS. Please do not leave this as our legacy to our children!