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Robert Crist and Company Robert Crist RV deceptive and misleading PDI and sales tactics Mesa Arizona
Letter below that was sent to dealer. Received a response stating the unit was used, deal with it.
I am contacting you today in reference to serious, timely, and costly issues related to an RV I purchased from your company in June of 2014.
RCRV, On my initial visit, I stopped by your lot and viewed a 2005 Monaco with your salesman, Joe Rosten. After some deliberation, I purchased the unit on June 27th, 2014. This was my first RV, which I purchased for a very specific purpose that I made very clear to my salesman as well as other employees. I purchased the unit for a 14 month charity tour of America, which I have been planning for two years (three years now). I was supposed to begin the tour immediately after the purchase but have been unable to do so because of the many problems I’ve had with the RV. I have charity partners, tour commitments, and a significant investment into the tour. I have closed my business and sold my home to do the tour. When I purchased the unit, I had a very specific time frame, and to date, the unit has been in for service for over two-thirds of the time that I’ve owned it. I’ve exhausted more than half of my budget for the tour waiting for the unit to be fully operational and road ready. I have been exceedingly patient, but enough is enough and a resolution is required.
During my interactions with my salesman, Joe Rosten, he showed me the unit, and specified numerous times that the unit had been gone through thoroughly top to bottom, twice. He said that every system and feature was 100% operational, and the unit was ready to take on the road immediately and that Travis Chilton, your Master Technician had done the PDI. I was reassured countless times that the unit had been inspected by a Travis Chilton and the only admitted/disclosed issue was that the entry keypad was not functional. I was told multiple times that I was “gifted” a $2500.00 Pre-Delivery Inspection (PDI). Considering I was never given any inspection report and that multiple non-functional items were purposely not disclosed, there was no value to me in that “gift”.
The following is a timeline of events that have taken place regarding the purchase of the RV from your dealership: All dates are approx. and not exact – for reference only.
June 27, 2014:
June 29, 2014:
June 30, 2014:
June 30, 2014:
July 2, 2014:
RCRV also forwarded a new awning wind sensor which was broken and not operational even though your master tech pointed the unit out and assured me it was functional. RCRV also forwarded after more than a few months two switches that were broken that I had to pay for to be installed.
August 2014:
Attempted to use the windshield wipers for the first time, and they did not work and failed at 70mph in a down pour where the wipers failed and could’ve caused a crash or something more serious. This was a very serious incident and the responsibly lies with RCRV.
November 2015:
March 2015:
Since leaving your dealership, I have had to schedule multiple appointments for service and repair to the RV. I was misled and deceived as to the functionality and operation of every single item. The following features have never been operational or functional since I purchased the unit:
ITEM COST INCURRED
Satellite – not functional – replaced $372.50
Main TV – not functional – replaced $272.50
Battery disconnect switch – not functional – replaced $57.50
Aqua Hot Diesel switch – not functional – replaced $57.50
Awning wind sensor – not functional – replaced $57.50
Headlight switch – not functional – replaced
Keyless entry – not functional – replaced
Local antenna – missing – replaced $117.00
Local antenna switch – not functional – replaced $78.00
Generator failure – repaired $190.44
DVD/Surround – not functional – replaced
Hot water heater – leaking – repaired $1829.71
Hot water heater – not functional – removed, repaired, re-installed
Wiper system – not functional – replaced $304.15
Slide out toppers / Master – not functional – replaced $100.00
Battery Isolator - replaced
Kitchen sink clog – clogged prior to my use – repaired
Kitchen sink drain leak – complete pipe separation – repaired
Insta hot water – leaking – repaired
Bath and Vanity ceiling vents – not operational – repaired
Front AC T-Stat – not functional – replaced
Drivers side mirror – not functional – repaired
ABS indicator light on – resolved
Unit doesn’t start – new batteries – resolved
Generator doesn’t start – new batteries – resolved
Generator failed in Lubbock – fault code – resolved
Shipping, misc parts and supplies $223.50
Deductibles and taxes $880.15
The following items are still not functional and the issues have not been resolved:
VORAD $500.00
Bed air chambers – not functional $1815.00*
Bed controllers – not functional
Chassis AC - not cold
The extensive list above covers all items I was told were functional and fully operational during the walk through and during multiple conversations with both Joe Rosten and Travis Chilton. In addition, if the unit had actually had a comprehensive PDI as I was promised, all of these items would have been discovered and resolved. So my only conclusion is, they were discovered, but not disclosed.
I tried to work with Norm and Michael to get these issues resolved, and Norm was minimally helpful in the beginning but quickly had no desire to assist me and simply said he was no longer interested in resolving the issues and to use my service contract and leave it at that. Norm mentioned on two calls I would be reimbursed for ANY out of pocket expenses related to service work and I intend to hold him and RCRV to that. Not once did Joe initiate contact, follow up, or even send a thank you card or call after the purchase. Had I purchased a Ferrari at the same cost from a dealer, I can assure you the personal attention and immediate resolution of the issues would surpass the customer service of your staff members by a million fold. I understand it’s a leisure industry, but you are selling six and seven figure homes that should demand the same level of service and customer attention.
To date, I have had to utilize the service contract extensively, but for most repairs it has been timely, and often times, I’ve had to battle with them to cover items that are supposed to be covered in the contract. The contact RCRV sold me is not a compreshensive as it was described - they don't cover all repairs and they don't cover the total time it takes to do a repair. In addition, I’ve had to deal with an independent inspector who denies repairs, but then after much discussion with the company, they finally determine it is covered. Regardless of whether or not I have used the service contract, it does not dismiss the fact that I’m still out significant time, my tour has been delayed, and I have had to pay excessive out of pocket diagnostic fees and deductibles. If the opinion of your staff is that they are not intent on resolving or disclosing the issues because I have a service contract, then that is simply not an acceptable standpoint and very unethical.
The deception and misleading remarks by your staff have not only cost me time but money and lost income. This unit was not road ready and to date is still not ready. I should be half way through my charity tour, and I’m still stuck waiting for the unit’s initial service issues to be resolved. I would like to resolve this issue amicably between the two of us without any legal involvement. My request is fair, justifiable, and commensurate with the costs, delays, and lost income I’ve incurred. If the unit had been road ready as promised, I would have embarked on my fourteen month charity tour in July. Since it required so much service and time in the shop, I have been unable to leave and use the RV for my charity tour for ten months.
The psychological and financial toll have been significant and continue to grow exponentially as the time frame continues to lengthen. I simply want my unit to be as described, reimbursed for losses directly related to RCRV’s actions, and get this charity tour that will benefit thousands across the country on the road as soon as possible without any further delay.
I hope that you take this situation to heart and seriously consider my request and are willing to amicably and quickly resolve it so that we can both more forward.
Thank you for your time and consideration regarding this matter.
2 Updates & Rebuttals
Robert
Mesa,Arizona,
United States of America
5 Star Service
#3REBUTTAL Owner of company
Wed, May 27, 2015
We strive for 5 star service. Unfortunately we couldn't come to a reasonable resolution with Mr. Hurff. We have done everything in our power to try and resolve this issue privately and professionally.
RV sales fraud investigator
Scottsdale,Arizona,
USA
RV show and sale those kind of deals are only for suckers
#3Consumer Comment
Tue, April 21, 2015
no RV buyer should ever go to a tent event or construction reduction sale nor should they ever go to any kind of a football stadium thinking they're getting a special deal most of the time RV dealerships only allow their most ruthless sales people to go to the special events that are only searching for suckers.
Best place to go get an RV is the look for local RV storage facilities businesses that store motorhomes for private individuals that are not allowed to keep their motorhomes at their homes. Many people that have motorhomes in storage probably only use him two or three times a year and they're tired of paying the insurance and they're tired of paying the storage fees and they want to sell those coaches and they're willing to take a loss just to get rid of it because they don't want it that expense anymore.
And you don't have to pay sales tax when you buy from a private individual. And you do not have to pay a fat sales commission
It's talk about PDIs Predelivery inspections many RV dealerships will tell you that the coaches been completely inspected from one into the other. Most of the time that's all bulls*** because they do not want to pay a service technician to make sure that the coach is completely ready to go for the customer. Most of the time profit is more important than a happy customer and many RV dealerships do not care that your name is trashed because they're poor reputation
Best regards.