Complaint Review: Rosemarie Zizzo; Pedigree Cat Breeders Society. Org.

I have read some of these items regarding Maria Zantinge and how it was handled by Ms. Rizzo. Anyone reading Ms. Rizzo's articles will obviously recognise her poorly disguised character assults. It seems to me she has total disinterest in the cat breeding business in general, or truth, or integrity. Therefore I feel compelled to speak to the good character of Maria Zantinge.

I recently had the genuine pleasure of meeting Maria Zantinge and her family at their home in Palmerston. I had never met or heard of her before this time. Our meeting was regarding business other than cats or breeding.

Soon after I arrived I became aware there was slight misunderstanding regarding what we were going to acomplish that day. Maria felt terrible about this and we talked about possible solutions. I could see that she was making every effort to resolve this and persisted until there was a solution - for my benefit, not hers.

All this was taking place shortly after she was informed, at the very last moment, that a buyer would not be coming to make a purchase earlier that day. This last minute no-show was obviously a bit of a blow since she was looking forward to knowing one of her loved kittens would have a new home and family. It also affected our plans and didn't give Maria any time to make alternate arrangements before I arrived.

Since I had travelled some distance to see her she felt genuinely concerned for me and, as I said, she did continue relentlessly seeking a solution and was, entirely to her credit, successful.

We did not originally meet regarding cats, however as a cat owner I will definitely contact Maria when it is time for me to find another cat. Further, after meeting and doing business with her I see her as honest and extremely reliable.

Andy T.
Hamilton, ON

P.S.
Kudos to the person from "down east" for doing some real homework - thank you.

Those reading this thread, should be aware that Rosemarie Zizzo's organization is totally fraudulent, and consists of only her. She claims the following:
-trademark: applied for two years ago, not granted
-copyright: she copyrighted a few pages no longer on the site. The site iteself cannot be copyrighted, but she would not accept that from Washington.
-registered: It is illegal to use the federal registration symbol of the circled R, unless you have a registered trademark. Zizzo thinks because she registered herself as a corporation in California, that entitles her to the symbol.
-non-profit: Zizzo has never applied for 501c3 status. That can be confirmed the CA secretary of state, if anyone cares to check.

Finally, the "corporation" itself no longer exists. It was recently suspended for not having paid its $800 annual taxes, by the Franchise Tax Board of California.

Bottom line: Rosemarie Zizzo has no authority whatsoever, to entice, coerce, or blackmail people into using her "services", because she has no legal or other associations by which she could actually help you.

I hate feeling the need to defend myself - but I do feel obligated in "warning" others as to what can happen if you don't check things out.

After my original complaint on these boards concerning my not having received my cat's "blue slip", I received two emails from Rosemarie Zizzo; Pedigree Cat Breeders Society. Org. I originally did not contact her. The emails from her were received shortly after posting the of my original complaint on these boards - so she obviously got my email from my posting here... These were her notes in her first two of many misleading messages to me...

"I think you filed the wrong form do you want to make a complaint? if so please redo it by doing here:" (her site)

also...

"There are many kinds of forms on the site but I am sure you wanted to file a complaint form and you filed a sharing a bad experience form. But not to worry. I will address this issue as soon as you file the official complaint form. I am so sorry you are going through this and will ask this person to answer to this as soon as I get your form again Official complaint form:" (the form for her site)

As you can see there was deception from Ms. Zizzo from the start (I realize I was at fault for not checking where I was being directed to). As you can see from Ms. Zizzo's emails to me she was obviously making it look as if she was somehow connected to this site... (a "sneaky" way to get people to post on her boards who otherwise wouldn't have).

I honestly thought at first she was out to help... so I fully cooperated with her. I didn't realize until to late that all it seems to be is her vendetta against legitimate breeders.

I have tried (unsuccessfully) to ask Rosemarie Zizzo to remove the posts regarding the breeder and myself from her site - P-CBS.ORG, so let this be one last attempt to have Ms. Zizzo act with some kind of fairness to both the breeder and myself and remove the postings. I am not willing to email Ms. Zizzo directly any longer as I feel she uses this as permission to post parts of the email (or just certain emails) on her site that don't tell the entire story (especially the role she played in it or copies of her emails - or worse, copies of what I hear are threatening letters to the breeders).

Although all one needs to do is to search for Ms. Zizzo or P-CBS.ORG on the internet to see the damage she is trying to do to people and stories of her practices (along with stories of Ms. Zizzo not being completely honest or even reputable (from what I've read and in my opinion not even fit to have a cat let alone someone who cares and wants to protect the breed). My dealings with her have proven little different than the many complaints I have read concerning her. I urge anyone considering becoming involved with her site to please check it out first. I wish I had but hind sight is 20/20. Reading all of this AFTER I became involved with her site is just another (small) reason I no longer wanted anything to do with her (although I have now experienced some of it first hand). Please I can't stress enough check this all out first before becoming involved with her site.

I would like to stress the breeder I had the original complaint with (over the delay with my cats registration papers) have been in contact several times over the last several months and there are no hard feelings on either side it's only Ms. Zizzo and the postings on her site that are the source of any complaint now. It was so unfair of Ms. Zizzo to insinuate/state in her rebuttal that the reason for my turn a round was because the breeder probably was harrassing her (meaning me) and could have even black balled her (me) from a group of breeders. So now Janice Germain has to get on the breeder she actually made a complaint about and get on her good side (Ms. Zizzo's words). This is completely untrue. Nothing like that ever occurred the issue was resolved and the breeder and I are on good terms. I was never harassed or black balled (it was never even insinuated to me) as I stated Ms. Zizzo is the problem source right now.

It was also unfair in Ms. Zizzo's rebuttal about her comment about a chemical imbalance. Completely untrue again, she has never even met me and is fully aware of why I had such a change of opinion concerning her and her site (she just omitted to mention those reasons with all of her quotes from selected emails she received from me, all but the last were prior to my refusing to furnish any more material for her site). When those first emails were written to Ms. Zizzo I had know idea of her agenda at that time. Ms. Zizzo's unjustified attacks are completely avoiding the issue at hand and totally uncalled for. All this is doing is trying to destroy people's reputations. I am thinking this is perhaps in retaliation because I refused to give her anything else to post on her site - or perhaps because I refused exchange anymore emails with her.

I have apologized for my impatience in getting my cats papers. I have pleaded with Ms. Zizzo to take all the postings concerning myself and the breeder off her site (p-cbs.org) including this posting as being one last attempt at having Ms. Zizzo remove the posts. I am happy with my cat and the breeder now. I will not be continuing to post updates concerning any rebuttals Ms. Zizzo may make. The issue is resolved and it's over (I will not continue feeding this as don't see any good or even a purpose in keeping it going). I hope Rose Marie Zizzo removes the posts from her site if not it's her choice and conscience for her to live with

I'd like to "thank" Ms. Zizzo for her concern with my mental health. (I actually work in the field.) The turn around, or "Jeckle and Hyde" theory that Ms. Zizzo depicts does not capture the entire story (prevarication is a form of lying Ms. Zizzo). Perhaps stating I am mentally unstable by Ms. Zizzo is her way of taking the focus off of her behavior during this ordeal. The information that was easily obtained regarding Ms. Zizzo doesn't seem to illustrate picture perfect mental health so her accusatins (and this form of attack) seem like they would be familar to her. Similar accusations or verbal attacks on others by Ms. Zizzo are not that uncommon either so the accusations don't surprise me. (Although wouldn't it be healthier and more productive to stick to the issue rather than launching a personal attack on someone never met in person Ms. Zizzo?)

I made a mistake (I am human and do make my share) - due to my impatience and frustration trying to obtain my cats papers. The issue was resolved between the breeder and I (which I have stated repeatedly). Ms. Zizzo is the only one continuing on with this there isn't any constructive reason I can think of (or benefit to anyone) continuing it.

Originally I thought Ms. Zizzo was out to help. Now I just think Ms. Zizzo is keeping this going because she needs filler for her sight possibly as more people that look into P-CBS.ORG realize that it isn't quite what it appears to be and avoid it.

I am not denying the emails I sent to Ms. Zizzo originally (or the content) this was before the breeder actually received what I consider to be a rather threatening letter from Ms. Zizzo. This letter was received by the breeder several days AFTER the issue had been resolved. The letter was also received by the breeder several days AFTER the deadline Ms. Zizzo had given her (stated in the letter) to have the issue resolved before everything was to be posted on her site. There is no way (impossible) the letter could have reached the breeder before the deadline Ms. Zizzo had given her especially since the letter was coming to Canada and being snail mailed. It now seems like it was truly a setup by Ms. Zizzo. I must mention that before the deadline I did inform Ms. Zizzo the issue had been completely resolved (so there was no need to post anything). Ms. Zizzo did her posting anyway. These transpirations were the first to contribute to my Jeckle and Hyde turn a round.

Earlier in this dilemma I requested (pleaded) with Ms. Zizzo to remove the postings (yes I had done a turn a round) as everything had been resolved (before her deadline I must add) as to my knowledge, the breeder did as well. I was also hoping that Ms. Zizzo would be true to her word and remove all the postings from her site as she had actually posted them prematurely (going against her word). Weeks after this I received an email from Ms. Zizzo saying she was changing the rules of her site she would no longer be able to remove postings did I want to add more to post? (Again I no longer choose to contribute filler for her site and keep this going.) The issue had long been successfully resolved and since I no longer had any trust in Ms. Zizzo (as she even started posting the responding emails I sent her telling her I no longer wanted anything to do with her site - because she wouldn't remove the postings that she originally stated wouldn't be posted).

I responded to Ms. Zizzo's emails (more than once the first request being months ago) that I did not wish her to contact me any further (as I wanted nothing to do with her) and would no longer be receiving emails from her. This was after several attempts of Ms. Zizzo trying to have me post more on her site. It's unfortunate that Ms. Zizzo only posts partial facts and doesn't state her part in all of it or her form of encouragement to keep battles going (of course this will make others look bad). People only need to do a search on Ms. Zizzo to see how many people she has angered, her honesty level, ethics, and motives to get a clearer picture of her agenda.

I can't say I am entirely unhappy with being on the bad side with Ms. Zizzo. I do not want to be associated with believing in what she is doing any longer. The original issue had been resolved (again resolved before and despite Ms. Zizzo). It's over...

I'd like to "thank" Ms. Zizzo for her concern with my mental health. (I actually work in the field.) The turn around, or "Jeckle and Hyde" theory that Ms. Zizzo depicts does not capture the entire story (prevarication is a form of lying Ms. Zizzo). Perhaps stating I am mentally unstable by Ms. Zizzo is her way of taking the focus off of her behavior during this ordeal. The information that was easily obtained regarding Ms. Zizzo doesn't seem to illustrate picture perfect mental health so her accusatins (and this form of attack) seem like they would be familar to her. Similar accusations or verbal attacks on others by Ms. Zizzo are not that uncommon either so the accusations don't surprise me. (Although wouldn't it be healthier and more productive to stick to the issue rather than launching a personal attack on someone never met in person Ms. Zizzo?)

I made a mistake (I am human and do make my share) - due to my impatience and frustration trying to obtain my cats papers. The issue was resolved between the breeder and I (which I have stated repeatedly). Ms. Zizzo is the only one continuing on with this there isn't any constructive reason I can think of (or benefit to anyone) continuing it.

Originally I thought Ms. Zizzo was out to help. Now I just think Ms. Zizzo is keeping this going because she needs filler for her sight possibly as more people that look into P-CBS.ORG realize that it isn't quite what it appears to be and avoid it.

I am not denying the emails I sent to Ms. Zizzo originally (or the content) this was before the breeder actually received what I consider to be a rather threatening letter from Ms. Zizzo. This letter was received by the breeder several days AFTER the issue had been resolved. The letter was also received by the breeder several days AFTER the deadline Ms. Zizzo had given her (stated in the letter) to have the issue resolved before everything was to be posted on her site. There is no way (impossible) the letter could have reached the breeder before the deadline Ms. Zizzo had given her especially since the letter was coming to Canada and being snail mailed. It now seems like it was truly a setup by Ms. Zizzo. I must mention that before the deadline I did inform Ms. Zizzo the issue had been completely resolved (so there was no need to post anything). Ms. Zizzo did her posting anyway. These transpirations were the first to contribute to my Jeckle and Hyde turn a round.

Earlier in this dilemma I requested (pleaded) with Ms. Zizzo to remove the postings (yes I had done a turn a round) as everything had been resolved (before her deadline I must add) as to my knowledge, the breeder did as well. I was also hoping that Ms. Zizzo would be true to her word and remove all the postings from her site as she had actually posted them prematurely (going against her word). Weeks after this I received an email from Ms. Zizzo saying she was changing the rules of her site she would no longer be able to remove postings did I want to add more to post? (Again I no longer choose to contribute filler for her site and keep this going.) The issue had long been successfully resolved and since I no longer had any trust in Ms. Zizzo (as she even started posting the responding emails I sent her telling her I no longer wanted anything to do with her site - because she wouldn't remove the postings that she originally stated wouldn't be posted).

I responded to Ms. Zizzo's emails (more than once the first request being months ago) that I did not wish her to contact me any further (as I wanted nothing to do with her) and would no longer be receiving emails from her. This was after several attempts of Ms. Zizzo trying to have me post more on her site. It's unfortunate that Ms. Zizzo only posts partial facts and doesn't state her part in all of it or her form of encouragement to keep battles going (of course this will make others look bad). People only need to do a search on Ms. Zizzo to see how many people she has angered, her honesty level, ethics, and motives to get a clearer picture of her agenda.

I can't say I am entirely unhappy with being on the bad side with Ms. Zizzo. I do not want to be associated with believing in what she is doing any longer. The original issue had been resolved (again resolved before and despite Ms. Zizzo). It's over...

I'd like to "thank" Ms. Zizzo for her concern with my mental health. (I actually work in the field.) The turn around, or "Jeckle and Hyde" theory that Ms. Zizzo depicts does not capture the entire story (prevarication is a form of lying Ms. Zizzo). Perhaps stating I am mentally unstable by Ms. Zizzo is her way of taking the focus off of her behavior during this ordeal. The information that was easily obtained regarding Ms. Zizzo doesn't seem to illustrate picture perfect mental health so her accusatins (and this form of attack) seem like they would be familar to her. Similar accusations or verbal attacks on others by Ms. Zizzo are not that uncommon either so the accusations don't surprise me. (Although wouldn't it be healthier and more productive to stick to the issue rather than launching a personal attack on someone never met in person Ms. Zizzo?)

I made a mistake (I am human and do make my share) - due to my impatience and frustration trying to obtain my cats papers. The issue was resolved between the breeder and I (which I have stated repeatedly). Ms. Zizzo is the only one continuing on with this there isn't any constructive reason I can think of (or benefit to anyone) continuing it.

Originally I thought Ms. Zizzo was out to help. Now I just think Ms. Zizzo is keeping this going because she needs filler for her sight possibly as more people that look into P-CBS.ORG realize that it isn't quite what it appears to be and avoid it.

I am not denying the emails I sent to Ms. Zizzo originally (or the content) this was before the breeder actually received what I consider to be a rather threatening letter from Ms. Zizzo. This letter was received by the breeder several days AFTER the issue had been resolved. The letter was also received by the breeder several days AFTER the deadline Ms. Zizzo had given her (stated in the letter) to have the issue resolved before everything was to be posted on her site. There is no way (impossible) the letter could have reached the breeder before the deadline Ms. Zizzo had given her especially since the letter was coming to Canada and being snail mailed. It now seems like it was truly a setup by Ms. Zizzo. I must mention that before the deadline I did inform Ms. Zizzo the issue had been completely resolved (so there was no need to post anything). Ms. Zizzo did her posting anyway. These transpirations were the first to contribute to my Jeckle and Hyde turn a round.

Earlier in this dilemma I requested (pleaded) with Ms. Zizzo to remove the postings (yes I had done a turn a round) as everything had been resolved (before her deadline I must add) as to my knowledge, the breeder did as well. I was also hoping that Ms. Zizzo would be true to her word and remove all the postings from her site as she had actually posted them prematurely (going against her word). Weeks after this I received an email from Ms. Zizzo saying she was changing the rules of her site she would no longer be able to remove postings did I want to add more to post? (Again I no longer choose to contribute filler for her site and keep this going.) The issue had long been successfully resolved and since I no longer had any trust in Ms. Zizzo (as she even started posting the responding emails I sent her telling her I no longer wanted anything to do with her site - because she wouldn't remove the postings that she originally stated wouldn't be posted).

I responded to Ms. Zizzo's emails (more than once the first request being months ago) that I did not wish her to contact me any further (as I wanted nothing to do with her) and would no longer be receiving emails from her. This was after several attempts of Ms. Zizzo trying to have me post more on her site. It's unfortunate that Ms. Zizzo only posts partial facts and doesn't state her part in all of it or her form of encouragement to keep battles going (of course this will make others look bad). People only need to do a search on Ms. Zizzo to see how many people she has angered, her honesty level, ethics, and motives to get a clearer picture of her agenda.

I can't say I am entirely unhappy with being on the bad side with Ms. Zizzo. I do not want to be associated with believing in what she is doing any longer. The original issue had been resolved (again resolved before and despite Ms. Zizzo). It's over...

When she on longer needed this organization she changed like dr jeckel and mr hide. One minute Janice is nice the next like a snake, she is up and in the next second she is down, one minute good then next bad in a matter of seconds that is a chemical imbalance in the brain, I suggest you get that chemical imbalanced checked out. But the reason Jancie Germain wanted the complaint removed is because the breeder probably was harrassing her and could have even black balled her from a group of breeders. So now Janice Germain has to get on the breeder she actually made a complaint about and get on her good side. The reason all your emails are listed her is to show the readers how you go up and down, like in seconds. One minute you are thanking me and my oranization and the next you hate it, this is not normal. Here are your emails read and weep, they are submitted in date order.................2/27/05 Written by Janice Germain:...........Thank you so much for directing me in the right direction (complaint form). The form has now been completed. I wanted to let you know that I came across a problem ounce I filled out the form. It required an email address for the cattery. Unfortunately, it appears they do not have one (The site would not let me submit my complaint until I entered one so I made up a fictitious one aaa@aaa.com so I could submit it.)

I have searched the internet and have had no luck finding any information on Marbilus Cattery (which is the cattery I am filing the complaint about). This was the name she used on all of the forms that I received when I purchased the kitten. I also unfortunately did not visit the cattery in Palmerston before purchasing the kitten. The kitten was brought to me (in Kitchener, Ontario). It makes me wonder if the kitten is from a reputable breeder at all

If you could be of any help or if you require further documentation (signed contract, receipts etc) please just let me know. I really do appreciate anything you can do.

Yours truly,

Janice Germain 2/28/05 Written By Janice Germain.........

Thank you so much in advance. I'm sending you copies of most of what I have so you will all the information.

The last time I spoke to Maria Zantinge was by phone On January 20. 2005. This is when I had contacted her to make sure she had received the copy of my receipt for my cats neutering and to let her know the cat had an undesended t******e. During this phone conversation I felt she doubted the problem with his t******e, saying that was unusual as the kitten had been vet checked.

This is also when she informed me there would be a delay in my receiving the papers because she had not registered the litter yet. I told her I was disappointed as she had told me during the sale (and it is stated in the contract) that the kitten was litter registered she went to say this is why there would be a four week delay in getting the blue slip to me. As I mentioned before she said she had not received the papers I sent January 7, 2005 as I had not used her PO Box number which was not originally on any of the papers she supplied. I sent her copies again (January 21, 2005)two sets actually one by regular mail and then one by registered mail that requires a signature. (It's now over five weeks since I sent the second copies).

When the kitten was purchased she stated they were registered with CFA. A week or two ago she had another ad in the Kitchener-Waterloo Record (local news paper) selling registered Himalayans again (I recognized the phone number). She asked who the kittens were registered with and was told CFA by the person she spoke with.

I did not go to her cattery in Palmerston to buy the kitten. I saw her ad (on-line) in the Kitchener-Waterloo Record and phoned her the evening of September 8, 2004. She said her daughter worked in Waterloo at a pet supply store (Parkdale Pet Place) and she said we could meet the next morning there. I was a bit surprised upon meeting her that the transaction was to take place in the parking lot there. I feel rather stupid for this now but I did not know at the time this was not a common practice (buying the kitten this way).

Not that it is pertinent I just feel taken advantage of. When I first phoned about the kitten, I explained to Maria Zantinge that I had a registered Himalayan cat that was currently at the vets. He was quite old and had not had any health problems until recently. I had just got him through fatty liver disease and we had just discovered he had mega-colon. We weren't sure if he was going to pull through and I couldn't stand the thought of coming home to an empty apartment. My first cat loved the companionship of other cats so I didn't see a problem if we could get him stable. He did survive until December, 2004, when he got pancreatitis and a suspected kidney problem. The two cats really loved each other.

The address you have for Maria Zantinge is correct as far as I know, (she did receive the registered letter using that address with the PO number of course).

I would be willing to do anything you could suggest (even if it's just to sit and wait), just let me know. I really think the way you are try to help me is great. I'm actually a bit shocked looking back (and reading) about some of the practices people actually have.

Yours truly,

Janice Germain

3/2/05 Written by Janice
I just wanted to let you know that I was finally able to reach Maria Zantinge by phone Tuesday evening. I asked her about my cats blue slip. Maria stated that she had just received it and had already put it in the mail to me. I really can't help but be a little skeptical at this point (considering the previous delays and her stating she had not received my first request because of my not having her PO number on the address the number she had openly supplied me with originally). She doesn't have a history of being quite totally honest with me.

I realize she would not have received the letter from you yet and I did not mention anything. I will let you know immediately if I receive the blue slip in the mail from her. To be fair I know I must give her the benefit of doubt I really hope she wasn't just putting me off though. I'll wait and see what happens being sure to let you know.

Again thank you so much for all for all of your help. Hopefully we can wind this up soon. Please though (despite the outcome) don't hesitate to let me know if there is anything I can do for your organization.

Yours truly,

Janice 3/10/05 Written by Janice Germain..............

I want you to know that I couldn't be more disappointed in the way things have turned out I believed you were getting involved to help me resolve an issue, but as it turns out the problem was resolved before you even had time to intervene (yet you try to take credit for the resolution).

I could not be sorrier for getting involved with you before checking your organization (I use the term loosely) out rather than the breeder, who turned out to be credible. The complaint I originally made turned out to be wrong assumptions I made. The matter was resolved but you still have parts posted I feel the listing of the complaint on your site now is nothing more than filler and an attempt to discredit someone. I would like it (and anything related to it) removed although somehow I doubt I will see that happen.

As for my complaint I received the blue slip long before your letter could have ever reached Maria. The issue was resolved through no intervention of yours. There is some reasoning behind the term snail mail. It takes more than one day for a for regular mail to be delivered to Canada from the US (not rocket science).

As for your invitation that I join your organization not now of ever (I am foolish for ever even considering it).

Janice Germain