Complaint Review: Rowan Bengals Joshua Dabbs

Thomas, 

Last month I was contacted about you.   You've apparently recently created a facebook account and have joined several facebook groups just to point complaints about me and my cattery and contacted several breeders I am associated with.   I am assuming this is another attempt at defamation and would like for it to stop. As this happened within a few weeks of Rich Nolte's posts on my facebook page, I'm assuming there's a link here.   Besides that, I haven't sold to many people in the Huntsville and all of which have been female cats.   

Though it is heartbreaking to hear that you've had such experiences, I am in disbelief of your claims.   As per our standard breeding protocol, allk ittens are given a health check (and flea medication) by our vet prior to leaving us, only after they're screened clear they're able to be spayed or neutered.   If there were any signs of illness whatsoever, the vet would call off their sugery and not allowed to return until treatment.   Furthermore, Feline Rhinotraechitis is one of the vaccines that all of our kittens are vaccinated with as one of the three core vaccines, and standard wormer treatments are also included as part of our common practice.   

For a kitten to be infected with what you're claiming is absurd.  And if this were the case, as per our contract we would gladly replace the kitten with another of equal quality and value and treat the kitten we've taken back.  These illnesses are easily treated and preventable with proper care.     But my question for you is why you would wait two or more years after owning a kitten from me to go on facebook, ripoff reports or other venue?     

 I have one of your Bengals. And though he is a great Bengal now. When I got him he had fleas, ring worm, tape worms, round worms and Feline viral rhinotracheitis. And I have the Vet records from two vets I will gladly post on here. I took him to the vet the day after we received him.

 I just purchased a kitten from Rowan Bengals. I spoke with Josh on the phone and through messanger. He was extremely kind and answered any questions I had when it came to the breed or my kitten. I was updated with pictures per my request. When I took my kitten to the vet she was extremely impressed by how well Josh and his family took care of their animals. My kitten received a clean bill of health. And when I picked him up my kitten was clean well cared for and extremely socialized. Which I can prove. The first day my kitten ate in our new home and drank water used the restroom as normal and no signs of high stress. So it's hard for me to believe that you actually purchased a kitten from Rowan Bengals.

Might I suggest professional help, Rich?  

Though this certainly isn't the first time you've lied and created fake stories about me, I find it hilarious that you're to the point of lying about a private apology.  I've done no such thing.

For anyone who wants confirmation of Rich Nolte's IP Adress and his involvement in both ripoff reports, feel free to contact me privately.    

Joshua, Thanks for the late night private apology I appreciate that. Glad you are finally able to see I am not involved and that it was never my personal IP address. I do hope you can finally make it out to a CFA show. Good luck to you and your program moving forward, and finding who truly posted these reports about you. Rich Nolte

Rich,

Let's take a few moments to review some of the prior comments in the discussion. 

On November 20th, 2016, I offered to provide a FULL REFUND and reimbursement of any vet fees to the alleged client if they could provide proof of purchase.  This includes vet records, a signed contract, and associated information.     It has been nearly four months since I made that offer and there still has not been a response, indicating that this person's claims were not genuine.

Were the two ripoff reports written by you?   Well, let's think about it.  

Most people have enough common sense to know that when they're anonymously reporting someone, that they shouldn't rant on facebook a few hours later.   Ripoff report takes weeks to hit the search engines.   But less than 24 hours after pointing out your IP address (just the cable provider, not the private IP), you're already denying the claims.    Worse yet, you're also switching email accounts and names (“terrible experience”, “anonymous”, “Rich Nolte”) make it clear that you're using multiple accounts to respond.  So many that you can't even keep your accounts straight.  

If this weren't already enough, keep in mind that you're predictably obsessive.    If I post something on facebook that you consider a criticism toward you or CFA, or the CFA standard, within a few hours a new ripoff report or comment appears on here.    It started in October and has continued for the past few months.   It's to the point of harassment and defamation of character.   The constant attacks on facebook, slanderous accusations are not based in proof as much as they are you trying to enact some kind of revenge against me.  This needs to stop.    

If you feel there is an issue with my home or cattery, feel free to contact my local Animal Control officer.   But also be mindful that you would be accountable for any false claims.   Continued cyber-stalking, cyber-harrassment and cyber-bullying on your part will also be documented.   

For those reading along...

For further information about the IP addresses, let me refer you to the comments below.   I have both Rich Notle's public and private IP addresses.   If anyone wishes confirmation of this, feel free to privately contact me and I will be more than happy to provide it.    Otherwise, let me recommend everyone to contact TICA SE Regional Director Laurie Patton to confirm my reputability, breeders Amy Holland (BengalTherapy/CatPal/BengalBlessings), Priscilla South (Southlynn Bengals), Paula Elson (Jazzle bengals), and Mary Johnson (Sundari Bengals).  And also be sure to ask about their experiences with Rich Nolte.     

 Joshua you have had over a month to provide irrefutable proof of an IP address. To this day you still have not done so. I will accept a written apology from you for this behavior, and I ask you never mention me on the internet or social media. I have a busy life, career, and family to take care of, please do not pull me into anymore of your drama. Good luck with whatever your do in 2017. Rich Nolte WildStyle Bengals

It speaks volumes about your personal character and integrity to pull up photos of people and to mock their physical appearances.  This sophomoric behavior is unprofessional and downright shameful.  It’s this very reason why you weren’t able to gain the support you needed in CFA. 

But I want you to take a moment to step back and to really think about your actions and what you’re asking now.  You're asking for proof, but haven't provided any yourself.  

The truth of the whole matter is that you've never actually visited my cattery.  You've never had the opportunity to walk through my home or cattery buildings to see how the cats were housed and cared for.  And yet, you pulled up old police/traffic reports, hunted down an address and used googlemaps.    And somehow from that little bit of information, you've determine my cats are living in broken down sheds and gazebos and are sick and dying?  That’s a lot of assumption going on such limited information.  

A word of advice.  If you don't want people to think you're the one posting these fake reports, you really should stop and think about what you say and write publicly and privately.  Sharing the same police reports and photos on googlemaps is part of it.  But it doesn't take an expert to read the same writing patterns and insults.   You're not good at being anonymous, Rich.   

As for the IP address.  I’ve written a response, but am waiting for it to be approved.   The site tends to not like personal information being shared.   It might take a few hours or a few days to go through.  

"I have screen shots of my IP address that have already been shared with my lawyer. To this day you continue to google search IP addresses for my current and past address"

Rich,

And by "lawyer" you mean the Bengal breeder and friend who specializes in foreclosures, bankruptcy, evictions and real estate closings (REO) that you send Facebook messages to?     I'm not sure I understand the relevance in you telling me that?   Clearly this isn't their area of expertise.   

But I think I'm beginning to understand part of the problem.   You don't have a very good understanding of how IP addresses actually work, so let me break it down for you.  

A single device using the internet has a total of three different IP addresses, the router, gateway and computer.    These various IP addresses are dynamically assigned, so they actually do fluctuate with relative frequency but can still be used to trace back to the point of origin.  So for you to even make the statement that you've "shared your IP address with your lawyer" only goes to show me how little you actually understand about this.    Unless you've got a static IP (which you don't), of course it's going to fluctuate.

This being said.  Ripoff report will not allow me to post your private IP address.  Trust me, I've tried. But I have posted it on Facebook.   But you see to be not understanding is that the cable provider's IP isn't the same as your PRIVATE IP.  You can certainly google search a cable provider's IP listing, but the private are not something you can get your hands on or even track publicly.

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But let's now take a moment to review some of your other statements. 

"Please stop selling sick cats and blaming me. This isn't about elections. This is about you neglecting your cats, your property, and your own mental and physical health."

Rich, I really want you to think about what you're saying here.

I've been breeding Bengals now for over eleven years and my wife and her family for nearly eighteen years.  In that time, we have not had a single public complaint about the health and care of our cats and kittens we've sold.   We have a strong business ethic and offer many health guarantees for all of our cats and kittens.  We're always willing to go the extra mile to replace and to make our clients happy.    

We have sold breeding cats to four continents (working on the fifth now), our cats have been featured on the covers and in many articles in breed and cat magazines on three continents.  One of our cats is featured on the cover of his own pet food bag.   We have had generations of successful show cats and hold the two most successful silver show lines in the history of the Bengal breed. 

If anyone wishes to verify the reputability of my breeding program and business ethics, they can contact the TICA Southeast Regional Director, Laurie Patton.    And be sure to ask Laurie about some of the things Rich Nolte has been up to.  

I also encourage everyone to contact Mary Johnson of Sundari Bengals, Paula Elson of Jazzle Bengals, Amy Holland of Bengaltherapy/Bengalblessings, and Priscilla South of Southlynn Bengal.  All will provide excellent references about me.  At least three of those breeders will have a few choice words for how they've been treated by Rich Nolte and all will more than willingly verify my reputability and ethics. 

Fact of the matter is that you're going around facebook sharing five and six year old police/traffic reports, three year old photos from google maps and are making up wild stories about me selling sick kittens.   You're going around telling people that my wife's father committed suicide because he had FIP cats.  And now you're sharing private photos with me and my daughter to mock my physical appearance??    Your immaturity and unprofessional behavior is evident.

I recognize that the CFA election was very important to you.    And that's okay.   But no matter how much you wanted to be in charge and push the Bengal breed through, if you overreact and attack each and every person for disagreeing with you, you're going to end up alienating the very people you should be seaking for support.    Youractions and treatment of others over the past few days has shown everyone just the caliber of leader you could have been, and that's not a compliment.  

This being said... Christmas is a week away.  Instead of trying to attack and make other people's lives miserable, spend time with your family and loved ones.    

 Joshua, I was not the original poster. You have no proof. Provide proof. I am sure people would like to see it. I have screen shots of my IP address that have already been shared with my lawyer. To this day you continue to google search IP addresses for my current and past address. This is sociopathic behavior. The shoe fits and you continue to wear it. Please stop selling sick cats and blaming me. This isn't about elections. This is about you neglecting your cats, your property, and your own mental and physical health. Get some help and STOP making excuses. Rich

Rich, 

Honestly, I think it took you by surprise to learn how IP addresses actually worked.   And no, private IP addresses aren't something that you can just google.   Private IP addresses are linked to your home address and individual devices.   This said, you were caught with your hands in the cookie jar, I'm afraid.   Not only once, but twice!  

So let's take a moment to review the facts. 

Over thirty days ago, I provided an offer to provide a full refund and reimbursement and an apology if the original writer could provide me with proof of the sale.   Something that a real client would have gladly taken me up on.  Since that didn't happen, so clearly the claim wasn't legitimate.  

In regards to my facilities and the care of my animals, our cats are most certainly not kept in broken down sheds and gazebos.  We have a two-story cattery building built specifically with cats in mind, and that's in the Talladega county countryside.  But we do prefer to keep our nursing mothers and kittens at home and under foot to insure we provide them the proper socialization and care they need.   As is standard practice for us, all cats and kittens are given a thorough vet examination prior to leaving us.   We don't sell sick kittens, I can't say the same about you.   

Animal Control has actually visited my facilities twice within the past 18 months.  In that time, no animals were ever confiscated and their healthcare was confirmed in good condition.   I'm assuming you were the one who contacted animal control as you have on several other breeders.   

And now. Let's take a moment to think about what you're doing.  

The fact of the matter is that you're so obsessed with wanting revenge and destroying anyone who speaks out against you that you're pulling up police/traffic reports on them from years ago, stalking them online and using google maps (with images from years ago) to make claims of animal abuse?    

And what did you see, you saw an old shed, a gazebo and a few old kennels.  All of which were torn down and thrown away years ago when the house was being repaired, when the house wasn’t even in use.    But somehow this is all the evidence you need to determine that someone is selling sick kittens and that you need to tell the world by faking ripoff reports about them?    Do you know how crazy that sounds??

The problem is not on my end.   You stalk, harass and bully anyone who disagrees with you.  And now that you’ve lost the elect for breed chair yesterday, you’re angry and you needed to find someone to bully to make yourself feel better.   Well guess what?  It didn’t work in TICA and it’s not going to work in CFA.    Just lose gracefully and try to retain your composure, this childish display doesn’t show you in a positive light. 

 Joshua, You are a disturbed individual. I feel badly for anyone who has ever had to deal with you. The images of your mother in laws home (where you live) and cattery (sheds and a delapitated gazebo) were so disturbing you had them removed off of google maps. I truly believe if animal services ever went to your house they would confisicate all your cats and send DCF out to remove any minors in your care. Trying to win folks over with the sad story of your father in laws suicide is pathetic. You are still posting photos of current cats in the yard. While you insist you don't stay there. I pray for you to get the medical help you need, and pray for the safety of anyone who ever comes across you. Since you want to blame all your sick cats on me, I assume your current living conditions are also my fault. As well as your inability to be employed or seen in public. Keep my name out of your mouth and your life will be much easier. You are an embarrassment to yourself and your family. Yes I did post a photo of you when people asked who you were since you live a hermit lifestyle. You claim this was mocking you. If you have a problem with your appearance you should join a gym, lift some weights, or just in general take care of yourself. Posting a photo of someone is not mocking them. Your biggest problems in life are self generated. Stop making excuses and blaming others for your problems. Please take this as a WARNING if you are considering buying a kitten from Joshua. Insist on meeting him. Make up your mind for yourself. Now Josh will open up about how my cats are sick and I bully him. Same old blah, blah, blah. I have never sold you a cat, nor will I. I haven't seen you in public in over 4 years. Stop the obsession with me man, move on with your life. Good luck and good riddance. Rich Nolte

Just a quick update. 

It’s been a little over a week since I gave my offer of a full refund and reimbursement.   The author has failed to provide any documentation (proof of sale, contract, vet records or even photographs of the cat) to validate their claims.  Until information can be provided, these claims are declared false.    

But as I do like to be thorough, I did take the opportunity to review the author’s story again to see if I could validate them through my internal records.   Sadly, the author’s information was interestingly vague, the kitten was purchased in 2015 and it was female.   But as I do keep relatively meticulous records, I did take the time to review the litters and sales for the year.  

2015 was a relatively slow year for us as we had held back a few girls who were not yet old enough to breed.  We produced a total of seven viable litters this year, of those only six females were born.   Two of those females were also held back for breeding, one went as a pet to an older couple in northern Alabama, one went to Donna in 2016 (her post should still be viable in the discussion), one went to an old college friend in Alabaster.   The only other female sold in 2015, was a silver girl born in late 2014 that sold as a breeder to a lady in Canada in the first part of the year.    So I found no confirmation of a sale in or around Alabama in the timeframe/location the author spoke of.    My records do not indicate such as a sale as described.  

So the question I’ve been left asking myself is why would the author make such claims if they were false?    To find that answer, I had a buddy of mine who is handy with this kind of stuff look into the IP addresses of the Author and one of the commenters.  Though I will exclude the private IP, the cable provider is provider 173.168.242.105 (Time Warner Cable) Lakeland, Florida (or Mulberry, FL in some IP trackers).  Another IP was IP 70.193.218.16  (Verizon Wireless) Tampa, FL.   Confirming (yet again), that this was Rich Nolte (Wildstyle Bengals).

For those who would like to learn a bit about the Wildstyle Bengals cattery, please visit the “Bad Catteries Around the World” facebook group.   Here is one of the posts: https://www.facebook.com/groups/130579467110647/permalink/580074558827800/?match=am9zaHVhIHogZGFiYnM%3D

Rich,

I think it’s time you take a step back to look at what you’re doing.  You’re pulling up police reports on me from five and six years ago.  Faking two ripoff reports.  Using nearly three year old images of a house that you have no idea if I even live in or not. These kinds of actions do not speak of honesty, reputability or integrity… these actions show a vindictive and obsessive personality.  For your sake, you need to seek professional help.     

Lastly, a word of advice.  If you make a fake ripoff report about someone, when they post your IP address you really should avoid posting facebook status updates denying it less than 18 hours later.   It takes months for reports like this to appear in google, you implicated yourself trying to deny it.   Funny how that works.  

Here at Rowan Bengals, we pride ourselves on our healthcare and ethics and take very good care of each and every one of our kittens.  As part of our standard protocol, all kittens are brought to the veterinarian prior to leaving our home.  There, they are given a thorough examination by our vet and if deemed healthy are spayed and neutered.   

But if you feel that there has been an error on our part and that we haven't answered your emails in a timely manner, we're willing to go that extra mile.    As I've written in the title, we're willing to provide a full refund and cover the costs of all vet bills or provide at no cost to you a pick kitten from one of our upcoming litters. This includes a clean bill of health from our vet, microchip and spay or neuter prior to leaving.    

However, we do ask that you post to this very group scanned copies of the proof of sale (a signed and dated contract), veterinary records including all costs and confirmation of illness, your email address and information to confirm the sale.   As heartbreaking as a story as it is, we do want to let you know that we're on your side and willing to go that extra mile for customer satisfaction. 

Accountability as a breeder is not easy for everyone and even in some of the best breeding programs, mistakes can happen.  So when those rare events do occur, how a breeder handles themselves to their clients define who they are.  Choosing to be there to help a client through any potential issue is what helps build a stronger relationship with the client and possibly encourage them to consider us a second time.   

But I honestly suspect you will decline providing such details and make a disclaimer stating you're only writing to "warn others". But this poses yet another issue, if you’re looking to warn others about a bad breeder, you would need the same proof to substantiate your claims as being truthful.    Either way, it’s in your best interest to provide such crucial details.  Otherwise the claims are unsubstantiated.  

This is ridiculous! I posted about my experience as a kitten buyer and you start your own wars on my complaint. I have no idea what most of this nonsense is. Posting things that are not even about my cat or about my experience. You can get two dozen of your friends to post happy stories about you but that does not change my complaint. Whoever this Rich person is, I wish him luck. Dealing with your delusions and your imaginary feuds is ridiculous. I wanted to warn others of your sick cats and your taking my money and then ignoring me. I have done that. The rest of this thing is all in your mind. Goodbye ,and I think my post is finished now.

I'd like to thank everyone for taking the time to share their stories and positive experiences.    When it comes to the health of our cats and how we do our business, we view ourselves to have strong ethics.  

For those who have been reading along, I think most of us already have a good idea what's actually going on.   This isn't an actual complaint about the healthcare of my cats, it was made up by another breeder (Rich Nolte of Wildstyle) who has a grudge against me.  Much of the information he's arguing, has already been posted to his timeline over the past few months.  It's purely conjectural based on speculation and exaggeration.  There is no proof.  

I think it speaks for itself that he's gone through the trouble to find police reports (car accidents) on me dating back five and six years.    This isn't normal behavior, this is outright obsessive.   As is trying to agrue that because of a tree, I'm abusing my cats?   I'm still trying to wrap my head around that.  Much less arguing that the house is in bad condition considering just how much we've put into repairing it.    

Regardless though, I appreciate all of the support I'm getting throughout this.   There's a lot of good folks out there and I'm glad they're sharing their stories.  

google.com/maps/@33.5115095,-86.2485606,3a,75y,140.72h,79.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sp4YPzVnN6EW7i3M6MYuLDg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Not sure if the site will let me upload the correct google map address, but here is also a picture of what you see today. So just go look up his court records and google his trash heap for yourself. I feel terrible for his cats.

I did not and do not want to be involved in childish internet drama. I find coming together to attack one breeder by cowards who won't even give their name pretty atrocious. You would think that a community would want to band together and work in harmony to better the breed instead of fight and pick and bully amongst themselves. But I digress.

Since however, one of my cats was brought up by "anonymous" I will direct my attention to that.

I have actually owned three (3) Bengals from Rowan Bengals. Two males and a female. They came to me over the course of probably 4 years between the first male and the last (female). All three have been flown to me by a pet courier. All three came to me with a health contract, breeding contract, pedigree, parent's HCM reports and kittens vet paperwork. All three, as kittens, passed their health well check up with flying colors. All three were calm, sweet, purring and very easily integrated into my household. All three were handled and picked up by my children with ease.

First male was retired after about 4 years. HCM screening negative yearly. Healthy and produced healthy, happy kittens. Still in contact with many of his kitten owners almost 6 years later. A few went to breeding programs with no complaints. He now lives at my bosses house and is frequently brought into work. Slash is about 7.5 years old now and going strong.

Second male was shown to a QGC. Beautiful boy, tons of compliments. Was actually agented by another breeder a few times who said he slept with her purring every night. HCM screened EQ not long after his first birthday. Held back for 6 months without breeding, HCM screened EQ again. NOT ONLY did Josh and Helen announce it publically (as did I) , but they re-screened his parents even though it had only been 5 months since THEIR last screening. Dad had years of screening behind him, mom was bought as an adult from another breeder. She was HCM negative but had concerning high numbers. She was retired without a second thought. Had ABSOLUTELY zero complaints about the classy way they handled things AND offered me a replacement kitten of my choosing whenever I was ready from different bloodlines. Izzy was retired and placed with my brother. He is 6 and going strong. Never moved past HCM Equivocal so we aren't sure what lies at the root of his heart issues. Last screened in 2015.

Female was given to me at no cost but for flight costs due to second male being removed from my program and genetic condition. Stunningly beautiful female same as the first two cats. Had one litter for me after being HCM screened negative. Kittens were healthy and went to lovely pet homes. Still have contact with them. I then made a personal choice to retire from Bengal Cats.

My decision was based on personal family reasons and nothing to do with the breed although obviously the Bengal community can leave a lot to be desired as you can see below.

Elsa was then offered back to Josh/Helen and they immediately took me up on the offer. Still happy, still healthy, still being screened.

I will continue to refer people to Rowan Bengals for happy, healthy Bengal kittens. I'm well aware that many in the Bengal community don't always love the way Josh comes across. Shrugs. I get that. I don't always love everyone I meet's personality either.

But not sure what photos of trees, a Google map from almost 4 years ago have to do with his program. Especially if you've never had, seen, touched or owned a cat from them. 

 My husband and I were referred to Rowan Bengals by a friend and had a very positive experience with them. I contacted Josh and Helen and they had a kitten that we were interested in. They answered all of our questions about her temperament and diet. They clearly stated what we would receive as far as medical records, pedigree and registration papers. We were asked for a deposit with the balance due upon pickup. Since we had to travel from out of state to pick up the kitten, we were given several options where to meet. They explained that they did not currently permit home visits because they had a small child and did not feel comfortable bringing strangers into the home. We respected and understood that. If we did not, we would have simply taken our business elsewhere. We are very happy with our kitten. She is happy, healthy and active. We have kept in frequent contact with Rowan and they continue to be responsive. I would gladly recommend them.

Joshua is hated in the Bengal community, just like he stated.

Joshua's cats are on the HCM list...

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Pictures speak more than words, the house Joshua claims he is not involved with have had his cats photographed in the yard recently. Rowan Bengals posted the photos on November 8, 2016. The house across the street can be clearly seen on google maps, as well as in the background of the photo. Joshua does live in that house or he would have not had the house blurred off google maps. There is always power in numbers please dont let Joshua terrorize you anymore.

Helen please stop enabling Joshua, and allowing him to attack others. He needs help, get it for him.

Public records searches in Alabama can provide arrest records if they exist.

Woooooooow. 

I don't even think these reports should be allowed to be posted unless you've actually received a cat from Rowan Bengals aka Joshua Dabbs with full evidence.

Do either one of these "complaints" have proof? No photos? No vet records? No email communication? No screen-shots? In this day and age where everything is posted on Facebook? Right. Because they're completely made up. I can google a gas station or Walmart near your house too. Watch me. 

So much hate from cowards behind a keyboard. Trash trash trash talk then block. Isn't that how it goes? 

So because other breeders don't like Josh's (occasionally abrasive) way of coming across it must mean he's not a good breeder? Because one of his enemies posts a house (that he doesn't even live in) that MUST be where he lives right? Because you've actually BEEN to his house right? You've never been accused of something (wrong) by another breeder? 

Please. This has moved so far beyond deplorable it's boarding on pitiable. You have to be a pretty deplorable human being to carry things this far. 

TOTALLY in love with and happy with my Bengals from Rowan Bengals. Not a single health issue in years. Not a single behavior issue in years. Still have Helen's phone number in my phone directory. 

I have personally received a breeding quality (and show quality) Bengal from Rowan Bengals of Alabama. 

Funnily enough, I can write and spell with perfect English. I like how both of these "complaints" were obviously written by the same person. Even misspelled the same words with a slightly different story. 

I visited the cat, kittens, parents, and Josh/Helen at their home. I PERSONALLY never saw abandoned buildings, rusty cat crates or unliveable conditions. Pretty sure that's not Rowan Bengals or where they breed. 

The cats were all friendly and sweet and well cared for. Never heard a hiss out of them and all could be easily handled. 

Saw all their pedigrees, vet reports, shot records AND HCM reports going back at least 2-3 generations. 

My cat is over two years old now, has a DGC title, is still in perfect health, beautiful than half the cats I see online and screening HCM negative at this time. 

Zero problems here and a wonderful person to deal with. Would come here again if my program needs. 

Oh and I was given their phone number FIRST time I ever asked. These complaints are a made up joke and quite un-necessarily cruel. Makes me wonder if his cats beat theirs in show or something. 

This is beyond pathethic. 

This website was not created for catty childish adults to bash each other and make up lies because you simply don't like another breeder. People making up fake names and fake photos just because they think this breeder is a bully. 

You know what? So what if he is? He's outspoken and can be taken as rude. I get that. But he isn't a liar. I've seen Josh AND his wife AND his child at many, many cat shows. His cats are always 100% healthy, sweet and loving and purr non stop. He's done amazing things for the breed and is currently working on a kick a*s silver program. 

You don't like him? Who the f**k cares? Move on and grow up AS SHOULD Josh. But saying that this breed would be better off without him? Because who made YOU the Bengal God? Maybe the Bengal world would be better without ALL of you liars and backstabbers. No wonder the Bengal community is called catty. You can't turn around without another breeder trying to stab you in the back. 

Janet Rennecker doesn't even HCM screen all her cats. She doesn't spay/neuter her kittens either. And watch out if you disagree with her! Vengence thy be thy name. This post makes me respect her even less. 

Yeah, the kittens eyes looked A LITTLE watery. That could have cleared up in a week. If Janet has EVER dealth with sick kittens (and something tells me she has) then she knows the process. For any breeder to say they've never dealt with anything going wrong in their cattery is a f**king liar because WE ALL HAVE. 

Then she "hints" "maybe" it was a upper respiratory infection. How do you know? Did you see a vet report? Did you get the PCR panel run? No. You just want to accuse and b***h and whine and make s**t up. 

Handle things like adults instead of whiney children. Stop posting FAKE photos of a house that's been abandoned and in the process of being cleaned up for YEARS. 

How would you like it if I took a photo of a house that DOES NOT BELONG to you and posted it on the internet for all the world to see? Much less the house that my wife not only grew up in but has to go back in after her father committed suicide?!?! You are all heartless sick human beings. 

Since you deny you live in that trash heap you call a house, or even Pell City AL, here are two of your police reports proving it is your home address. Anyone can look these up for themselves pa.alacourt.com/. Lying about your dump, only calls into question every single other lie you tell.

Case Number TR-2011-007049.00 The address of your home on the report: (((REDACTED))) Pell City AL

Case Number TR 2010-005726.00 The address of your home on the report: (((REDACTED))) Pell City AL

The pictures of your your home which you had blurred off of google street view are very disturbing. It is a good thing many of us found your home address and took screen shots of your trash house before you had google blur it. I hope you pull yourself together and stop throwing stones at everyone else.

This should be proof enough that in addition to being a bully you are also a liar. Here is google's result for your home after you blurred it.

google.com/maps/@33.5109697,-86.248191,3a,75y,358.28h,91.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfj-kXHGrHTG8RoQudtHdRg!2e0!xx

As with a lot of the claims being made on this report and the last, they are not based in fact.    There are several allegations made based solely in speculation, assumption and accusation.    These people have not purchased a cat from me, they have never visited my home, or anything that deals with a firsthand experience with me. 

Over the years, I have made enemies in the Bengal breed for standing up for what I thought was right.   This meant getting involved in discussions over health issues in the breed, predominantly HCM.    Considering there were many HCM issues with popular bloodlines, a few breeders became scared that finding out that their cats had close and very real connections to HCM cats worried many of them.   

Thankfully, in recent years, there is a new database that makes tracking HCM and inbreeding in pedigrees much easier. Let's take a moment to go over it.  

www.bengal-data.com

Once you've visited the website, you can search by cattery name specific cats.   All connections to HCM are highlighted in yellow and HCM positive cats are highlighted in red..   To help illustrate, let's take a few moments to review a few randomly chosen pedigrees listed.  Remember, this information is publicly available.  

1 - Cat Example 1

2 - Cat Example 2

3 - Cat Example 3

4 - Cat Example 4

5 - Cat Example 5

"COI" refers to the inbreeding coefficient.  In layman's terms, for a cat to have an inbreeding coefficient of 31.239% is the same as saying that a kitten born from the same parents would have a 31.239% chance of a defect.   And with all of hte yellow and red on those pedigrees, you can kind of imagine just how scary it is for those lines to be bred together.   For breeders who aren't familiar with the connections, it can be horrifying and many of them don't want others to know about it.

Am I an internet bully for being the person to stand up and point out the health concerns in the Bengal breed?  No.   The real bullies are those who have to hide their names and try to come up with false accusations about me to try and destroy my reputation.    Shame on all of you. 

In regards to my home and housing.  Earlier this year, Rich Nolte of Wildstyle Bengals managed to acquire the address of my deceased father-in-law's home (photos can be provided upon request).  My father-in-law (also a cat breeder, Bengal Companions) committed suicide six years ago.  His home was in disrepair until recent years.      The photos Rich Nolte acquired were not from visiting the home personally but from three year old images from google maps.  He has been circulating them on facebook.    The home itself is being repaired and soon to be put on the market.  

My cattery is a separate facility in the countryside of Talledega County in Alabama, a two story building build exclusively with a cattery in mind. Thankfully, he and his group haven't found that address yet.    But... this is why it's important to understand that before making claims and insinuations about a person's care of their animals, they actually visit and see the animals and contracts for themselves.  It's easy to make assumptions without proof.    

I am a cat breeder and I can say with some degree of certainty that Rowan Bengals breeding operation is terrible. The breeder is an Internet bully, and he operates like he knows everything in the world of cats. Very few breeders like him and many breeders have him blocked on Facebook. He has no business breeding anything. His constant attacks against other breeders have shown him to be a person to avoid. I feel sorry for Janet that a breeder with low character and with sick cats suckered her. The breed would be 100% better the day this breeder quits. A picture of this man's home was posted on Facebook and it was a horrifying trash heap. His backyard was full of dilapidated sheds and cat carriers. His home and breeding operation were so terrible that he contacted Google and had the street view of his home blurred. Believe me, you cannot go to his home because it is terrible and the condition of his cats is the same; honestly a trailer home would be an upgrade. I am very happy to see karma finally catch up with this breeder. I am also very happy that people are finally saying something.

Thank you to the customers who posted here and thank you to Janet. 

And there we have it.  

Why in the world would you implicate yourself in a second rip-off report against me?   Keep in mind that the way you write has certain triggers that can be identified with basic comparisons between the pieces as well as any writing from other sources.   Yes, certain misspelling of words, lack of punctuation, lack of capitalization, the same pattern of immature insults and even the type of titles you use are a dead giveaway to the authorship.   

Taking a moment to get back to your original story, the problem is that there is absolutely no proof.  There are no veterinary records, no signed contracts, and certainly no sick kittens.   If you were a client of mine, you certainly would know that these are things that we take very seriously and go to great lengths to insure that our customers are happy or at least know how our sales our done.    Sadly, these stories are works of fiction of a depraved mind.  

We've reached into the realm of cyber-stalking, cyber-bullying, defamation of character and slander.   In your writing now, you're attempting to bait me into further conflict which I refuse to engage in.  Your level of obsession with me is unhealthy.   You need to seek professional help.  

Janet, you have my sincerest apologies for thinking it was you.  I should’ve known better and should’ve looked into the IP address, this was my fault.   My issue with Janet has already been responded to.  

If I did not go over it enough already....    Please provide proof of purchase, a signed contract, and any information that would verify your claim as legitimate.   

My story is what happened. i am not some crazy cat person. I am not this other person you took money from either. If you spent as much time responding to my emails as you did to this report, we would not have a problem. And while i am at it...Why don't you return that woman's money? What kind of person keeps money from people without giving them anything? Do you live off the cats blood? If you do that is sad. Get a job and then you could deliver nice cats and not steal people's money like that other person who posted. 

And 100% i was not allowed to come to your house. And I got a sick cat from you. Your long explanation about my report is too little too late and basically calls me a liar.

Janet, 

With how Ripoff Report works, it generally takes MONTHS for a post to appear in google searchs.   For you to be aware of such a post in less than four hours of it being sent implicates you as the responsibile party.    

Honestly, I think it is incredibly unprofessional for you to fake this post and for you then to publicly lash out at me on social media and sites like this .  This doesn't indicate someone who is looking for resolution as much as it does someone who is looking for revenge.   

Like with all breeders, I certainly recognize your concerns about receiving a sick kitten.  No one wants that.  But choosing to act on a single set of photos, months of harassing emails, attempting to threaten and blackmail me on social media, all over one set of photos and no confirmation of illness outside of conjecture?    This kind of behavior hurts your own reputation as a breeder as it shows just how far you will go to destroy another.  

I provided you with a contract on July 25th, 2016.  You understood and agreed with the information, but we were waiting for a the test results to come back before proceeding.    This does not negate the contract which you agreed to.  

I will copy over my email to you from yesterday.   

As is business standard with most breeding programs, deposits are non-refundable.   This is non-negotiable.  

But I do want to take a moment to emphasize that I haven't forgotten about you.   Since we last spoke, I've only had one SBT litter born and in that litter there were no males, only two females that I considered pet quality silvers.      My intentions are to notify you immediately upon the birth of a silver male that I consider quality enough for breeding.     But if you would prefer that I also notify you with outcross litters (BON generation) and kittens I deem pet quality, I most certainly can do that as well.  

Currently, we have two queens being bred whose litters both have the high potential of producting exceptional silver spotted kittens.    If you would like pedigrees of the parents, I will be more than happy to provide.  There is a new pedigree database which does a wonderful job of including the inbreeding coefficient and potential links to HCM cats.   

If either litter does not have a silver spotted male to your liking, you most certainly can pass to the next available litter.  

As I have repeated from the beginning throughout the barrage of attacks, I am more than willing to uphold my agreement and terms of my contract.    And in August you did agree to wait for another kitten.    I'm not sure why there has been a sudden change and explosive anger.  

I was to buy a kitten from Josh in mid-July.  The kitten was approx 4 weeks old.  I was sent a second set of photos of the kitten now 6 weeks old.  These photos showed a water line from BOTH the inside and ooutside corners of the eyes (both eyes).  Inside corner can be normal tear stains.  I have never seen a watery line from the outside corners.  I asked for the kitten to be Upper Respiratory tested.  Josh agreed to test but not til 10 - 12 weeks, just before the kitten was to be shipped.  How can I continue on a path to buy a kitten when it will go undiagnosed for 6 weeks?  Get attached to a kitten to then find out it has a lifetime virus, NOT something I want to bring into my cattery!  But more important, if the kitten needed tratment, it need it now not weeks down the road.  Poor baby.

Further, when I raised the issue about the eyes.  Josh told me he would use his "show powders" on the kitten in the furure. Show powders are used to hide imperfections, and here illness.

https://www.facebook.com/SanDiegoBengal/photos/pcb.1291983834155250/1291975264156107/?type=3&theater

The email I sent him was not a threat.  A simple last ditch effort to resolve this out of the public eye.  Well, Josh Dabbs/Rowan Bengals took it public.

It is the breeder standard that deposits are Non-refundable IF AND ONLY IF there is a signed contract.  According to contract law, any contract over $500 MUST BE IN WRITING to be valid and enforcable!  There was no conract/no agreement.  Josh sent me a template as the actual contract was amount X if test results were A and Y if test results were B.  He did not want to write and then re-write the contract.

BTW all of this documentation is in the form of screenshot photos which Rip Off will not upload (says cannot write to disk).  But they are in the link to the info posted on my page.  Please review.

This man has been sued by a group of Bengal breeders with TICA.  He is not a nice man.  I believe these people who posted about their sick kittens who they picked up in a parking lot!

As with the last ripoff report made seven days ago, this is (yet another) attempt to attack my reputation as a reputable breeding program.  Likely by the same group of people.  Just like before, the write fails to provide any proof or evidence to support their claims.  

As written in my rebuttal from the last post... 

Here at Rowan Bengals, we pride ourselves on our healthcare and ethics and take very good care of each and every one of our kittens.  As part of our standard protocol, all kittens are brought to the veterinarian prior to leaving our home.  There, they are given a thorough examination by our vet and if deemed healthy are spayed and neutered.  

As part of our normal protocol, we do vaccinate against several kinds of illnesses and provide preventative care from things like giardia, coccidia and other type of illnesses.  In the unlikely event that a kitten is underweight or unhealthy, we choose to hold onto those kittens for longer and provide treatment prior to them going to their new homes.  Taking that extra time to make sure the kitten is healthy when they're still in our care allows for those kittens to live long and happy lives with their furever homes.  We also prefer to include all vet records and a breakdown of all medications given with each sale, along with a month of TruPanion pet insurance in case any issues do arise.  

As part of our contract, we provide a health guarantee for each of our kittens.  We also prefer to stay in constant contact with early buyers.  We are always available by email or phone to talk to our buyers to insure we answer any questions they have.   Bengal cats are unique in their personality and it's making sure that we dedicate that extra time with our buyers which insures that each of our kittens' needs are being met and understood.  This extra bit of effort is what makes sure that our kittens are taken care of. 

I would like to take a few moments to respond to respond to portions written. 

"when the time came to get my little girl kitten i got an email that said i needed to meet at the marathon gas station and bring cash. So i went and met him, he was there with a woman and a small child but they stayed in his car. Now I could go over all the probelms with seeing him, and his filthy appearance and the rusty cat carrier he had the kitten in, but I will save it. So I took the kitten home. "

So how about we take a few moments to over some of the details a bit.   What kind of car was I driving?   What can you tell me about my appearance?   

So how about we take a moment to go over those details a bit.  What kind of car was I driving?    

"I found this cat breeder on the internet. I could only find an email address on the web site for Rowan Bengals no phone. When I aslked to visit I was not allowed. I also could not find many other bengal cats in my area. So I contacted the breeder and I got an email from josh. He types long emails and it seemd to tell me that he was practically the creator of the bengal cat. I asked when i could come over to meet the kittens with my son, and he said nobody is ever allowed to visit. I thought that was my first thing that worried me, but again, this was one of the only breeders I could find"

This is the second person to make the assumption that we don't allow vistation to our cattery.   Though it is certainly challenging to schedule home visits around our busy schedules, we do allow our visitors to come see the cats before purchasing them.   This is a false statement. 

"Right after the vet visit I sent an email to Josh, and I heard nothing back. I sent many emails, and never had any answered. if i knew where he lived In would have went there. never an answer. This was in 2015. My kitten is much better now, and the herpes does not flare up very much. It took a long time to stop the diearrhea, and sometimes she still has some. It was very stressful for me and the cat."

If you would be so kind as to provide me your email address and name, I'll be more than happy to look up to see if I've missed one of your emails.    Here at Rowan Bengals, we pride ourselves in being quick to respond to our clients often responding within a few hours of an email being sent.      

We include our cattery address in our contract.  Something you would know if you had purchased actually purchased a kitten from us.  

As part of our standard vaccinations, we include feline rhinotracheitis in their early intranasal vaccines.   For those unfamiliar with what this is, please reference: Feline_viral_rhinotracheitis.   In essense, we vaccinate against it.  

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But to add a bit to the story, I'd like to take a moment to review a threatening email I received earlier today from Janet Rennecker.   A california based breeder with two cattery names.  Black Mountain Bengals and Sandiego Bengals.   

To give detail as to the situation, Janet placed a deposit on a kitten earlier this year, though the contract was sent to her, she had not signed it.  After seeing photos of the kittens development, she became convinced that the kitten was sick (it was not).    After a series of harassing emails, she demanded her deposit be returned.   

As is business standard among breeding programs, deposits are non-refundable.  We did offer to transfer her deposit to the next available kitten with the same color/pattern/gender she was looking for.    Sometimes unfortunate events occur where the owners have to back out, in those cases we always give our buyers the ability to transfer their deposit to make sure they get the kitten they're after.  

Though I cannot say for certain if this is Janet or not...it certainly implicates her and references this website.