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About this Angela Topic
Ok now everyone knows where I stand on honesty. I also believe in handling things in the correct manner.
I have heard that you are stating I had two dogs from Angela and something to the effect of one had horrible horrible issues. I only had one dog from Angela this was Conga and she was FREE of charge. Yes you heard me FREE of charge, we were not charged a singel penny for her. She was held until 4 months of age which im sure had much to do with her being so timid. This is still not excusable because she shouldnt have been with this temperament. Seeing as who her parents are who were very very well behaved and taken care of on our visits. I will say this in Angelas defense and that is her dogs are VERY WELL taken care of. But Mr. Lee/Synn I would like that before you mention my name if you would please verify facts about what you are saying. Hearsay and assumption get you know where and make what you say seem less credible. Conga was and is otherwise healthy as they come.
Your opinions and posts are welcome here, I just ask that you do so without the childlike-ness of the posts. lol Im not sure if that is a word, but Im asking to refrain from the name calling and jokes. No matter the situation is it not funny to nor helping FILA in anyway for a comedy act.
Thanks.
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Andrew,
Thus far im impressed with how your posts are worded, comparing them with the EMAIL you sent me on accident, remember that? lol Anyhow I just ask to make sure to keep it clean and without jokes as well, not saying I remember any jokes that have come from you, just questions.
hope that made sense. its late.
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Now I really do wish Angela would post on this matter and show what everyone is asking for so we can bring an end to all of this. And I too believe there are TWO sides to every story, but how is anyone supposed to hear those sides if ONE side isnt talking. I will be very pleased when this gets cleared up one way or another.
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I may have been mistaken on the 2 dogs you had being from Angela ....im sorry for that if thats the case ..but a few people on the board have emailed me and suggested that maybe they were and a few have said you may have gotten rid of the first for other reasons ....oh people talk ...and i do remember you saying the first was dog knaped..
Anyways I m only trying to do good for ----- and fila NO-ONE desrves to go through the stuff she has for what ever reason Angela may suggest...For the well being of FILA if she was in real pain all the time my suggestion to Alexis would have been PLEASE PUT THE POOR DOG DOWN....Obviously this is NOT the case!!!!
Its all NICE for Angela to say send this.... do this .....do that....and yet she has done nothing Actins here speal louder than words ...Angela has given Alexis some money I think she is short A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS since ---- chose to keep Fila ..It is hard to put down A beautiful FAMILY MEMBER At 14 MONTHS. ----only wants what she aid for first of the PAPERS she PAID FOR ...----- has and can
Prove FILA is SPAYED....BAD HIPS ....SO she got it done NO-ONE now can say she bred her female.....ANGELA NEEDS to provide her with her dogs Papers Plus the contract Plus her dogs Hip scores Being The Sire and the DAM of Fila....This would Probably do many good things to make Angela ...Maybe the TOP BREEDER IN CANADA.....But she needs to PROVIDE THESE THINGS TO HER CUSTOMER and I would walk away from the matter.....Court seeks truth and when all of this comes to light which it will in court .....ANgela is commiting fraud for Breech of customer service and a federal law that states all breeders shall supply said PAPERS TO A CUSTOMER with in 6 MONTHS I am talking to a few People currently in the LAw enforcement end of things about this but this takes time and i have to wait for the proper people to assist in this ....Fraud Squad in toronto has been Notified of the situation im just waiting for them to visit me HOPEFULLY THIS WEEK ..I will post the outcome of the conversation with them when this Meeting takes PLACE...
AS FOR ME Posting things about ANGELA in one of her many emails to me SHE SUGGESTS YOU CorsoLUV of not sociallizing your dog ....That being the PROBLEM OF YOUR SKIDISH AND SCARED CONGA....BELOW IS THAT EMAIL Angeala Takes No Blame in ANY OF THESE THINGS
To Synn,
I really wish you were a breeder of any breed of dog .
You do not know the whole story, Alexis's dog had an inujury, and then was made worse by playing in the dog park. I held up my half of the guarantee and i could of got out of it if i was such a bad person. she has no contract, yet i still did my part by refunding her , her half of the money. I ALSO OFFERED TO DO HER DOGS SURGERY HERE FROM MY POCKET AND HER 6WEEKS PLUS RECOVERY AS I KNOW A SPECIALIST I CONTACTED JUST FOR FILA. SHE HAS THE EMAILS.
You need to understand, also about people, like Conga that dog had ZERO social skills and you should know what can happen if you do not socialize any dog.
So really you can do what you feel you need to, but I have forwared all those links to my Lawyer assistant and I will not tolerate threats. You do you understand what and who you are really defending.
I am being 100% honest here, beleive what you want. Man you have no idea what i have replaced dogs over silly things like color going too much brindle etc.. And as fo the paper issues that is 21st guardians mess with other clients partly dealt with me. That is why i no longer deal with them they can not get motivated.
Tell me have you ever seen in any breed sucha nice positive gathering of people at any dog show. As you saw with us? Well we have big groups like that at all shows we attend.
I have had many pups, since the breed gives large litters and you can dig up a few dis satisfied people, and know that makes me so bad?
You can not make every one happy.
Would you like to speak with my vet about Fila?
905-729-2273 he also told me not to give her anything due to an injury , yet i still did. She has grade 2 hip dysplasia something that sadly in italy is called HD-C and is breedable, yet here are standards are higher.
I refunded her half as the contract stated and still ofered her another pup, an older one pre limbed but they said no.
Angela
Hi Angela Are you ready for the PUBLIC to really know the truth....I was truely a Great FAN of yours until I started hearing all this bad Stuff you have done!!!
You do not send papers there are a few of your customers complaining you have failed to provide them thats illegal act #1..you have six months to send them regardless if there pups were bought as show /breeding
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Honor your contract (this is a big one)
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Even Elana got rid of her pup due to her being scared of her own shadow and have also heard the first one was other horific problems
follow this link http://infosource.gc.ca/Info_1/AAFC-LE-e.html there that should help you
i will start with them this week with written proof of some of the people's problems with you .....hoped that you cared about your customers guess you dont ....so when you get fined and banned by the CCPS where you are also a member
Any dog sold as purebred must come with legitimate registration papers. Anyone selling a dog as purebred and not providing papers to the buyer within six (6) months of sale can be charged with fraud, and can be convicted and fined in accordance with the federal Agri-food Canada act. Breeder licences can be revoked and a judge can whallop the breeder with a hefty fine.
also heres another forum and then the italian forums as well and along with every place you advertise
Feel free to email me with any issues you may have
sorry you kinda just hit a nerve I hate thieves
http://members5.boardhost.com/corsoman/msg/8201.html
http://infosource.gc.ca/Info_1/AAFC-LE-e.html
Further more All ANGELA SEEMS TO DO IS BLAME OTHERS ......Nothing she has done here is right ..She started the threat to Alexis about taking her DOG....ANd yet she provides no TRUTH TO ANY OF THIS ....Angela ALL Alexis wanted were the hip scores for your dogs that bred to make fila ...and her papers.....and the few hundred you owe her still.....If you were Truly Honest this would be no problem it will come out in court lus the fact when it gets there other costs will be added ....She now sends emails for me to contact her vet above as well and provides his number ....i called him and spoke to him he feels when he is supeana to court he will will want to be aid for theday there well when one is supeana'd there is no pay !!!!he also told me he can only suggest from what he may have heard of on this matter by the papers that angela gave him ....and that the vet that was in charge would have a better answer for he is the one that treated fila
she also keeps emailing to call others like her so called adviser ANNA and supplys me with her number as well when i call and ask who this is and tell her its me she gets very upset and hangs up ....Go Figure
emails are below
Please be sure to forward the name, badge number and any other informations you must pass along. I was at the courts this morning and know 100% you must have the contract and all information to file anything. My adviser will be taking care of all this matter from here on in, and now you are to cease all contact with me and anything furher is now considered harassment
Her name is Anne. You are welcome to call her monday morning.
Thanks
Angela
I will !!!!!! Next time you here from me will be probably in a week . I will start small claims court next week ....and am currently on phone with Government agency http://infosource.gc.ca/Info_1/AAFC-LE-e.html and also looking to see who starts the fraud charges for selling pedigree'd pups and never delivers the papers actually waiting for a call back from a detective thanks
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From: RusticKennels.ca
Thank You
Please keep in touch and let me know all you do
Angela
hope this does not bore you Lee
Re: my breeder is threatening to take me to court and reposess my dog for talking about her
LuvmyCorsos
Don't take this the wrong way ...Being MAD is not whats it about !!!!
If you bought anything and it were Bad would you return it ????
If the Place of Purchase refused would you tell your friends about this Product...and the Great Service you did not recieve???
Angela Canning sells Love and Perfection
Lexie Bought a Perfect Show Quality PUP..with Papers...And hip guaranteed
The Pup with proof of xrays show to be very bad.......
This is why Lexie went to a Breeder to find someone good and Hopefully Respectful...With knowledge ...
Angela Canning Promised her the moon until she received the MONEY....with emails sent the situation was to be dealt with with more promises and Angela saying im sorry this happened ...Promises of replacement pup..
The money was decided on to fix this sad issue.....By this time many litters have been SOLD by Angela and nothing has been resolved....Breeders need to be honest and true.....they Sell the pups on advertisement they dont want bad Situations getting this far.....Once i get all the proper documents there are many ways to handle this ..
1) taking the DEFENDANT Angela Canning (Rustic Kennals to court)
2) putting up a website with all DOCUMENTS and Xrays Pertaining To this PUP and all corresponding emails between the 2 Parties involved..This website would pop up when anyone did a search for Cane Corso's...Rustic Kennals Angela Canning
There are many ways to make this search come up in the top of the first search page anyone that does websites should know this
this can be resolved if the 2 parties wish to....quietly
But in the event the defendant wishs to put her lifebusiness on the line would be totally up to her (in business you take the good with the bad...and of course sometimes things come up that cant be expected)
From what i have known about Angela Canning from doing research and speaking to many Cane Corso People I at first thought she was A Saint......But after talking to others and they all agree Angela's Great LOOKING website does sell pups surely money was spent on it . However bad Publicity with Proof will stop the sales for NO ONE wants to get ripped off on a purchase of there next FAMILY MEMBER.
Re: Hmmmmm.... Unethical All for Profit Breeder or Responsible Breeder!!!!!
"If someone wants a dog simply go to whom ever you are thinking of and ask all the right questions. If you are not happy with the answers dont buy there."
i'M GOING TO HAVE TO PLAY DEVILS ADVOCATE HERE.
IF EVERYONE WERE EDUCATED ON THE QUESTIONS TO ASK, AND KNEW WHAT WE KNOW, I MIGHT AGREE WITH YOU. THERE ARE A LOT OF NAIVE, UNSUSPECTING PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT GET SUCKERED BY SHADY PEOPLE OUT TO SELL THEIR DOGS. UNFORTUNETLY, NOT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT QUESTIONS TO ASK.
ALSO, IT'S FINE TO SAY DON'T BUY FROM THAT BREEDER IF THEY DON'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT ANSWERS, BUT THEN WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR THE DOGS IN QUESTION? YOU THINK IT'S OK THAT WE ALLOW THESE **** BREEDERS TO CONTINUE, TURN A BLINDS EYE TO IT AND JUST NOT PURCHASE THEIR DOGS OURSELVES?
I FAIL TO SEE HOW THIS WILL PROTECT ANIMAL RIGHTS AT ALL....LET'S JUST ALLOW THESE **** BREEDERS TO CONTINUE SUCKING IN PEOPLE WHO DON'T ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS, AND PERPETUATE THE CYCLE OF UNHEALTHY DOGS BEING BRED........THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING!
GOOD ONE!
FURTHERMORE, STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR ANGELA. IF SHE'S ON THE UP AND UP, THAN IT'S A VERY SIMPLE THING TO PROVIDE US WITH DOCUMENTATION TO PUT THIS TO REST. SHOW US HER DOGS HAVE GOOD HIPS, AND FULL PEDIGREE'S. MOST PEOPLE WOULDN'T DRAG THIS INTO THE COURT IF THEY COULD SETTLE IT THIS EASY.
OBVIOUSLY, SHE CAN'T SETTLE THIS, BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS AND SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT ANSWERS!!!!!!
William
ny, New York
U.S.A.
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Bonnie
New Brunswick,New Brunswick,
Canada
Angela you did not say i could give the dog away
#12Consumer Comment
Wed, December 29, 2004
"[[[[[-I Elena Gb say: HAHAHAHAHA THIS IS THE FUNNY ONE HERE, Angela you did not say i could give the dog away, i had asked and after no response from you we started our search. And i told you via email (i got that copy in case you forgot) that i would provide you with their contact info, you did not ask for it until after i told you of her death. I didnt give it to you becaues you wanted me to ask them to dig up their dead dog for your "so called law suit" claiming it was indeed because you cared for the breed and wanted to prevent it from hapening again, then tell me why you bred Rhino knowing his litter mate has epilepsy, and one of his full brothers who you call G.P. was born with no rear end, and passed due to complications at a very young age?"
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Here is a post by Angela from the C.C.C. Message Board in regards to the pup G.P.
Date Posted: Tue, Feb 17 2004, 15:50:12
Author: Angela
Subject: Re: Question for some HONEST breeders
In reply to: Pete E 's message, "Re: Question for some HONEST breeders" on Tue, Feb 17 2004, 14:33:59
completely outcrossed. GP had began to make his own anus right after birth. We birth our pups with our vet present as we are lucky to have him as a dear friend. And soon after he birth we thought he would need surgery but before the whelping was over he had a bowel movement had a spincter (sp?) and somewhat made his own anus, it never looked normal.
If i knew how to post photos i would for you too see, but i do not know how?
Angela
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Elena
America,Ohio,
U.S.A.
My reply to Angela or Rustic Kennels, since she wants to lie using my name. ~Elena Gb
#12REBUTTAL Individual responds
Tue, December 28, 2004
My name is Elena Gb of www.CorsoLuv.com anyone that would like to verify my credibility I would be more than happy to speak with you in person or via email. Visit my site to contact me.
This is my reply to Angelas post concering my name, i dont appreciate liars and will do everything i can to bring this topic to light.
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Angela says:
Elena and the dog Conga I gave her at 4months old was infact seen by a vet at least 4 times prior to her mysterious death and never was a heart condition detected. Not to mention this dog was GIVEN away by Elena due to the fact she had company coming over that hated dogs?
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Conga was not given away because my Grandmother Hated dogs, she is allergic to dogs, BUT Conga was not given away because of that, because we didnt find a suitable home by the time my grandmother visited, my grandmother had to stay with other family. Conga was to be placed in a home long long before the expected visit and Angela knew it, she was supposed to meet us half way to pick her up on several different occasions, well after at least 2 months of waiting on her to get her car running, or her friend to drive her to meet us we had no choice but to start looking for a new home for her. After at least 10 good interviews and 2 weeks of families in our area we chose 1 young family with prior mastiff experience and had a male lab mix rescued from the shelter.She did very well for the short time she was there, we visited her and each time she was happy go lucky in her own yard wtih ther newly adopted brother.]]]]]
Angela Says: Wow I was beside myself to say the least, I held back whet I felt was my most promising female pup from a litter she wanted a pup from, she had no money for vet care I paid it all, I also paid for her to enter her own dog in a dog show as again she had no money,
[[[[[- I Elena Gb say: Hahah this is news to me, because the Vet care is the responsibility of the breeder is it not? Until the pup is of age to go to a forever home? Humm , i might be mistaken, either way no money was ever ever ever asked of us because we would have been more than happy to pay it so how could we have said we didnt have any if none was ever asked of us? And this show fee, I tried to pay her at the show, because that is where we met her in jan. 2004. But she refused to take the money saying and i quote " no dont worry about it, i took care of it already for ya" and this was in a friendly way, nothing rude, or upset because she paid, and if she was so upset she should have took my money then.]]]]]
Angela said: her and her husband were on their 3rd child with no jobs and no home, so Conga stayed with me until they were ready. I liked Elena and wanted to help her start something special with the breed. Each and every time they were to come pick her up as we agreed that she would be picked up at 8weeks so she can start proper foundation training with the dog as with mastiff breed s it is VERY important.
[[[[[- I Elena Gb say: we were not even pregnant at this time! We didnt even find out we were pregnant until March of 2004. So I would like to know how she knew at this point that we were to become pregnant? And Angela is the one who contacted me back in June July of 2003 asking if i was still looking for a CC, because she wanted to give us a pup from one of her litters if we were interested. Yes she was FREE but not because i asked for her, she was offered to us. Even though we were unable to pick her up at 8 weeks, and said to Angela that we should maybe pass so she can get into a home to start bonding (me being with this breed since 1993 i know very well how important early socialization is) and we can just either get a pup from another litter or wait as we didnt want to rush into anything. She insisted she would be glad to hold her for us, just to let her know when we could make it up. ]]]]]
Angela says: Every weekend that was planned something came up mostly no gas money or sickness, now I was getting people down my back for even wanting to continue this relationship with Elena if she could not afford gas money, but I had felt good about her as a person and wanted to see better things for her.
[[[[[-I Elena Gb say: Angela knows good and darn well that our babysitter canceled on us 3 times in a row that we were to come up, and on the 4th attempt our son came down with pneumonia and was in the hospital, so for her to say sickness like it was a cop out, is very low of her, even lower than i had expected, even for her. And I will say to you Angela please dont ever come face to face with me, because its one thing when you talk about me, but a whole differnt ball game when you make light of a serious situation with my children! And what is this see better things for me? There was nothing bad about my situation other than the lack of quality dogs to start a breeding program, which i have yet to do by the way because of the poor selection of CC as a foundation stock. I want it to be as perfect as possible, not settle for whatever i get.]]]]]
Now I gave her permission to give the dog away to another family and trusted her judgment, I also asked for a full name, number and address of the new owners and STILL have not gotten. I also asked that the dog be spayed ASAP and was told she was just prior t her death at 10months.
[[[[[-I Elena Gb say: HAHAHAHAHA THIS IS THE FUNNY ONE HERE, Angela you did not say i could give the dog away, i had asked and after no response from you we started our search. And i told you via email (i got that copy in case you forgot) that i would provide you with their contact info, you did not ask for it until after i told you of her death. I didnt give it to you becaues you wanted me to ask them to dig up their dead dog for your "so called law suit" claiming it was indeed because you cared for the breed and wanted to prevent it from hapening again, then tell me why you bred Rhino knowing his litter mate has epilepsy, and one of his full brothers who you call G.P. was born with no rear end, and passed due to complications at a very young age?
And I never once told you she was spayed! I told you they were going to have her spayed, but never once did I say yes angela she is SPAYED! So where did you get that from???
Angela says: Now any vet would notice a heart problem as 10months during the pre-screen check up, that is common practice of any vet. I also asked for an autopsy to be done the day of the death as I was notified and never was one pre formed, I offered to pay all costs for this Autopsy as it was important for me to know why a 10month old healthy pup would just fall to her death? I have come to the suspicion that either Conga died from infection from the surgery to spay her or is still alive today as never did I get any contact info on the owners of her now, This is not how anyone should handle this situation.
[[[[- I Elena Gb say: u say this dog was official blah blah blah, but never once seen any papers, i couldnt when we visited because you were in teh midst of moving, and you never did email me a copy of anything like i requested, and of her parents as well. You said you would (have that email saved too, again in case you would forget) No autopsy was preformed because the dog had been dead for about 1 week when I got in touch with you to tell you, and i was not going to ask them to dig up their dead already burried dog. You can come to whatever suspicion you wish, but she did not die from infection of any sugery, and she is no longer walking this earth. Tell me mrs. profession ethical crap breeder how would you have handled the situation? By not responding to emails?, not answering the phone? or making law suit threats???
So in conclusion I say this, if we truly were indeed homeless folks with no money to care for our dogs why in Gods name would you save your so called pick female for a home not worty of taking care of her properly? And why would you insist upon holding her for us? Why was this dog not properly socialized? Why was she a submissive peeing dog, and timid to where she was scared of her own shadow? Poor Conga it wasnt her fault, she was sweet but surley not what you claimed by being alpha female in the litter? And if indeed she was the alpha female i would hate to see the rest of the temps you produce.
Can anyone that owns your dogs prove they have official paperwork? I have yet to find a single one, and I was never shown papers because of you moving, or lack of sending them my way. So please do if you can prove you have papers for your dogs then do so, but let me say why are none of your American dogs able to provide them at shows or events, and freezing any hope of completing in any area of work/show/sport? Nor have I found any of your Canadian dogs to have paperwork either. Please just stop your silly little lies about me, im not losing sleep over them, but if you must continue you be d**n sure to leave my kids and family out of this, you have a beef with me you take it up with me. I welcome you to do so face to face with me next we meet if you are up to it? I do not hide behind my computer with false threats, I mean what I say and say what I mean.
To everyone reading this I apologize for this drama in the CC world I have again participated in but I cannot stand to see lying unethical breeders produce unhealthy puppies and sucker folks into buying their dogs. I am not a breeder, nor do I know when I will be even thought being with the Corso since 1993, I cannot say I have had the right chance to find and keep stock I would breed. So what do I have to lose? Business? lol no and if I were a breeder it surely wouldn't refer MY BREEDING PROGRAM to as a business such as ANGELA has done by saying that people are just trying to keep business away, but breeding should not be a business. Breeding should be a hobby with ethics and a true passion with concern to help protect a breed from becoming a back yard project that is banned from ownership as well as any positive light. I do have 2 businesses and I would like to think I would not run my breeding program like I run my dog supply store or my web design company. I would also like to think claiming to be an ETHICAL BREEDER one would have no problem providing all the offical paperwork and tests preformed on their dogs. EVERYONE NEEDS TO DEMAND THE PAPERWORK, NEVER TAKE A BREEDERS WORD FOR IT, TALK IS CHEAP AND ANYONE CAN SAY THEY HAVE PAPERWORK.
This one is for you Conga & Fila! In loving memory of Conga and all the others from this kennel called Rustic that have had to suffer by the hands of an UNETHICAL BREEDER and poorly bred genetics.
Regards,
S.n.
Bucyrus,Kansas,
U.S.A.
Responsible Breeder?
#12Consumer Suggestion
Thu, December 16, 2004
Aside from the fact that this particular breeder appears to be selling sick or unhealthy canines, I am more than concerned that these dogs are being bred and sold and she isn't even sure who has the dog that she sold? We are talking about a Mastiff here and although I am not familiar with this particular breed of Mastiff, I assume it is a large breed dog that can be aggressive?
Are you, Angela, selling dogs without having them spayed/neutered? Are you not using an identification system that can trail back to you? Are you not using an iron clad contract that ensures your dogs do not end up in shelters or dumped? In one instance you stated that if the sick dog were a child the authorities would have stepped in. If you are not keeping track of your sold pups, you are as much to blame as anyone who has purchased a pup from you.
Bonnie
Moncton,New Brunswick,
Canada
Proof Angela Canning/Rustic Uses Fake PennHIP Scores
#12Consumer Comment
Thu, December 16, 2004
For proof that Angela Canning of Rustic Kennels is using fake PennHIP Scores please copy and paste these links to the following sites.
Articles, links and PICTURES of the fake PennHIP used for her Cane Corso Aragron plus a picture of a dog breed by Rustic with bad hips and legs.
Black & White List: http://www.notjustdogs.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=DogBnW_bd
Rip-Off Report #119366: Has PICTURES
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff119366.htm
Rustic Rip-Off: http://groups.msn.com/RusticKennels/_whatsnew.msnw
You may also contact PennHIP at the following e-mail address to confirm they do not have hip scores for Rustic.
pennhipinfo@pennhip.org
ATTN: Shirley
Thank you,
Bonnie
Angela
Beeton,Ontario,
U.S.A.
In regards to the BluSteel kennels website claim.
#12REBUTTAL Owner of company
Sun, October 31, 2004
I posted this months back in regards to their out right lie on their website about my stud dog.
Never once have they attempted to respond to what i have said in regards to the truth, the fact is well known in regards to their female having hip dysplasia and being bred. Many others including buyers have asked to see the proof of her reults and they will not show anyone.
They know that since we often win at all the shows we attend and having made most of the first landmarks in the breed with our dogs and dog we sold to our customers , this puts us at the top of the hate list from our breeders in our breed that they could try to put the fucus our our stud dog so people would stop looking at them.
The results for my stud dog are on my website and his offical xrays are also there for viewing.
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To clear up a great misconception in regards to why I turned down allowing blusteel cane corso's from using my stud Aragorn on their female. This so called breeder states she backed out when in fact TRUTH is I did.
She also states she backed out since I would not offer her hip certification proof.
I decided not to use her dog Magic since she produced not so good in her past litters, plus she has very very poor hips herself, and lacks breed type greatly as many of her offspring do. The female has no other health tests nor critiques or temperament testing ALL things very important to us.
For BluSteel kennels here is Aragorn's hip information. Please act professional and remove the FALSE information on your website, WE ARE NOT breeding to your dog.
Generally I would not bother wasting my time with silly rumors as this one, but after a few people have asked me clear up this matter, I decided to do just that. This is part of why we choose not to offer stud service unless the people are working with us, we want only quality dogs being produced.
This breeder has been very upset and angry that i ill not allow hr to use my stud dog but facts are facts and truth is truth, her dogs are NOT to standard, no showing, no temperament tests, poor hip scores and truthfully nothing to offer the breed in the state it is in.
I care about the breed and not what others in the breed think, and Blustel breeding dilutes to dilutes and inbreeding on poor dogs shows they do not.
Angela
Beeton,Ontario,
Canada
Angela Canning/Rustic Kennels response to the misleading remarks above
#12REBUTTAL Owner of company
Wed, October 27, 2004
This is a response from Angela Canning, owner of Rustic Kennels. First off I do not understand how a person can post things about me that I do not know, never have done any business with nor ever spoke to online? William from NY, who are you ? Why are you hiding behind a false name?
I will start by first commenting that most of these things put here on this bulletin have been posted all over the internet by a guy named Cardnyll Synn ( nice nick name) also know as Lee Brum, he resides in Ontario, Canada and is well known on the internet as what is referred to a bulletin board warrior, he posts when intoxicated and attacks people/breeders with no real proof or back up to his claims, often he uses threats, very foul languages and behaves totally inappropriate for an adult. Lee approached me about 1 year ago for a pup I had forsale and then sold prior to his response, he met me once at a dog show and was not a pleasant person to talk with due to his over enlarged ego, I still was very friendly and talked with him answering all the questions he had at the time.
Elena and the dog Conga I gave her at 4months old was infact seen by a vet at least 4 times prior to her mysterious death and never was a heart condition detected. Not to mention this dog was GIVEN away by Elena due to the fact she had company coming over that hated dogs? Wow I was beside myself to say the least, I held back whet I felt was my most promising female pup from a litter she wanted a pup from, she had no money for vet care I paid it all, I also paid for her to enter her own dog in a dog show as again she had no money, her and her husband were on their 3rd child with no jobs and no home, so Conga stayed with me until they were ready. I liked Elena and wanted to help her start something special with the breed. Each and every time they were to come pick her up as we agreed that she would be picked up at 8weeks so she can start proper foundation training with the dog as with mastiff breed s it is VERY important. Every weekend that was planned something came up mostly no gas money or sickness, now I was getting people down my back for even wanting to continue this relationship with Elena if she could not afford gas money, but I had felt good about her as a person and wanted to see better things for her.
Now I gave her permission to give the dog away to another family and trusted her judgment, I also asked for a full name, number and address of the new owners and STILL have not gotten. I also asked that the dog be spayed ASAP and was told she was just prior t her death at 10months. Now any vet would notice a heart problem as 10months during the pre-screen check up, that is common practice of any vet. I also asked for an autopsy to be done the day of the death as I was notified and never was one pre formed, I offered to pay all costs for this Autopsy as it was important for me to know why a 10month old healthy pup would just fall to her death? I have come to the suspicion that either Conga died from infection from the surgery to spay her or is still alive today as never did I get any contact info on the owners of her now, This is not how anyone should handle this situation.
As for the so called parvo , never have I had parvo in my kennel or any of my dogs here and sold come down this the well known parvo virus, this is just another anonymous poster trying to defame my kennel and keep business away.
Now somewhere he met up with Alexis and she told him about Fila, a female who has grade 2 hip dysplasia, and a torn cruciate ligament in her knee. Now when Fila was approximately 10 months her owners contacted me to tell me she was not well and having problems walking and said the vet they saw with Fila told them it was growing pain, they asked me if that could be so, I said yes but if you feel unsure get another opinion. They did not.
Here is an email from Fila's owners; PLEASE NOTE DATES
David Robinson" |This is spam|Add to Address Book
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Subject:
Fila
Date:
Tue, 27 May 2003 03:25:10 -0700
Today was one of the worst days of my life.
We took Fila to get x rayed to get the final say on what is going on with her back end ,and of course , it turns out she is displastic AND her
knees are completely screwed up, there is no fluid between the joints.
I have spent the day in tears with the realization that we do not have
the 13 000 dollars it would take to fix her up, and her pain is only going to increase.
the vet said she would probably be crippled within a year.
Its not the money we spent on her that upsets me, it is the fact that we have to watch her day after day trying to move properly and her body
just cant do it, she bails often when she is playing with other dogs, and she just has the most amazing spirit that loves to play, but she just cant do it.
Now she is having a reaction to the drugs they gave her to take the x rays with and she is shaking in her back end and looks crazy. she tried to bite me(well she did break the skin) when i was wiping her face, and she has
NEVER done that before. its like she is a different dog, and untrustable. i dont know if she is doing this out of pain, or is just messed up from the drugs.
She has always whined appearently for no reason and now we wonder if she is doing this because she is in pain.
tonight we were faced with the reality of putting her down. THAT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we are very upset. she is our baby.
We have an appt to get her spayed on wed, but now we are afraid to put her under anesthetic again, because we are affraid she will be dangerous
again, and we dont even know if THIS will even "wear off"she is also starting to
swell on her skin( she has these reactions)
We were getting her spayed beacuse we wouldnt possibly consider breeding her, but now we dont even know if there is much point.
its all very confusing and emotional.
we have changed our mind about getting another dog and would like a refund instead. No amount of money can undo the emotional damage and we trust
that you will remove our reference letters from your site.Its too bad things worked out like this and i hope that you try to make sure that this
doesn't happen to other people.
Sincerely,
David & Alexis
My comments on this email is the vet states she will be crippled in one years time, now we have gone well past the one year mark and the woners recently posted photos, I will get copies of , of their two dogs playing in the back yard, and if the dog exhibited this much pain for so long why was this poor animal left with no vet care? I am sorry but denial just does not cut it. If Fila were a child the authorities would have stepped in.
next email.
"David Robinson" |This is spam|Add to Address Book
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Subject:
Re: Fila
Date:
Fri, 06 Jun 2003 18:38:38 -0700
Angela,
well Fila would lay there and whine and we thought maybe she was just bored,
but now we think maybe all this time she was in pain.
you know Angela, we did not want to believe that she had problems, honestly I tried not to think about it for months, I just hoped that one day she wouldn't need the stool to get in and out of the car anymore, and what did I know anyways, I had never raised a puppy before, I didn't know at what point they should be able to jump in and out of a Honda CRV. We just hoped she would grow out of it.
you know how it is, nobody thinks that it is going to happen to them, I never wanted to believe it, we just love her so much, it just hurt me too much.
it wasn't until about 3 months ago that I had to start facing the reality that her body was not developing properly, and still we were hopeful
that she would grow out of it. Fila has always been slim, she weighs about 90lbs.
She was always a very picky eater.
I mean I was starting to think to myself that if this is what the cane corso breed is like than I will get into another breed, like presa canario or dogo argentino.
the vet told us that some displastic dogs live their whole lives through without alot of pain, while others do experience pain. I do recall as
she grew up that sometimes she would move well but other times not so well.
I don't know anything about OFA or OVC requirements for evaluating xrays,
that is just what my vet said, she said that they would want the papers to
record which litter the dog came from and so on.
anyways I am very happy to hear that your dogs are in excellent shape, I guess that out of a certain number of pups there might be one that is
displastic, in this case it just happened to be Fila.
it's unfortunate but now we have to deal with it.
take care,
David
David Robinson" |This is spam|Add to Address Book
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Re: Fila
Date:
Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:41:32 -0700
Hi Angela,
yah I am very happy to see her having fun again,
as far as the skin thing goes I figure it may be just some sort of little growth, I mean I have these little skin tags that portude from
underneath my armpit, maybe it's just the same type of thing.
I will never use that medication again, that was scary!
she was crazy, and she seemed to ave 'flashbacks' for about two weeks.
so watch out for that stuff, the vet didn't even tell us that the dog may have that reaction, and they told a friend of mine after giving it to
her dog not to allow the dog around her children for 24hours!
and they didn't tell us anything, really pissed me off!that was dangerous.
and Angela, I do understand about the refund, so let me know when to look for it, I assume that you still have my bank info.
it's too bad it worked out like this at all.
well anyways I wish you guys all the best, talk to you soon,
David
David Robinson" |This is spam|Add to Address Book
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Subject:
Re: Fila
Date:
Tue, 01 Jul 2003 14:52:13 -0700
Hi Angela,
I received the letter from OVC I tried to scan it for you here it is as an attachment, in case you can't read it this is what it says;
"I have reviewed the single ventrodorsal projection of the pelvis of the above mentioned dog which you submitted which was made on may 26, 2003. the radiograph demonstrates that both acetabulae are slightly shallower than
normal. the cranial acetabular margin has an abnormally straight contour
bilaterally. subluxation of both femoral heads is present with the right being more severely affected than the left. these radiographic
abnormalities are consistent with a diagnosis of grade 2 hip diplasyia. in addition, evidence of early remodeling of the femoral neck with periarticular osteophytosis of the femoral heads is present bilaterally. these radiographic abnormalities are secondary to instability of the hip joints as a consequence of hip displaysia."
"thank for refering this interesting radiograph. If I can be of any further assistance with this case, please do not hesitate to contact me."
your sincerely,
Howard Dobson , B.V.M. &. S,D.V.Sc, Cert.E.O., D.A.C.V.R.
radiologist
Ontario Veterinary College
Fila is doing ok, she is getting around better now that shes on moloxicam.
which drug were you warning us against in the last letters?, was it this drug or the one that they used to put her out for the x rays( when she
went ballistic)?
It REALLY is too bad that she didnt turn out to have a sound body structure, i look at her and she is sooooooooooo beautiful, really i mean that, her head is absolutely fantastic, and her chest!!!!. wow. sadly enough, i think her chest is so developed due to the fact that she uses it to compensate for her rear end when she gets up or sits down, but she sure is a nice looking
beast. i will send some new pics soon. i also wanted to thank you again for doing the right thing as far as the money goes. i know alot of people would probably just say "oh well", and just not talk to us anymore, but i also
know that you have a reputation to uphold, and though we may not be able to vouch for Fila's sound structure, we will certainly vouch for you being a woman of her word- above and beyond even........... lol, provided you do
what you said you were going to, but I'm sure you will.
anyway, i will stop blabbing, lol, in case you havent guessed its alexis writing now, anyway i just wanted to keep in touch and let you read
what the radiograph said.
hope to hear back from you
alexis and david
My comments again, so IF this dog Fila had actul lifethreatening problems as they say, they why is she out running like this? Clearly anyone with common sense would not do this.
David Robinson" |This is spam|Add to Address Book
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Subject:
Fila
Date:
Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:52:55 -0700
Hi Angela, it's Alexis . Today David and I took Fila to the park, and she went running after David and tried to turn a quick corner and down she went.
She has run around faster than that before in play and never had anything this bad happen.
It's her left leg, which is bad because that was her "good" leg. Anyway, all of this happened half an hour before David went to the kootenays to do
business. he will be back on thurs night, and i dont want to make any decisions on anything until he gets back.
the vet wants to x ray her again of course, but i dont really know if it is necessary.........if its just a sprain it should show signs of
improvement in a few days right?
She is not putting any weight on it right now and its hard for her to get up and sit down, other than that she is just sleeping.
If it doesn't get better do you think it is safe to assume that she has torn a cruciate ligament?
We know that if this is the case surgery really isnt an option because aside from cost, her other side cant support the weight for very long.
anyway, i just wanted to write you and let you know whats happening, and if you have any advice for me for the next 3 days?
i hope you get back to me soon,
thanks
Alexis
David Robinson" |This is spam|Add to Address Book
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Subject:
Re: Fila
Date:
Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:34:35 -0700
Hi Angela,
it's David here, I just got back into town, did you recieve Alexis's email about Fila?
she fell down running and could not get back up, she really hurt her knee I think.
I drove my car onto the field and lifted her into the back, and Alexis has kept her quiet and calm for the last 3 days, she won't walk on it at
all, she is walking on three legs, but it was her good leg that she hurt so I hope it heals fast because obviously she is putting alot of pressure on her bad leg right now.
do you have any advice?
we are going to take her to the vet tomorrow for a CARTROPHEN VET injection which is pentosan polysulphate sodium.just curious as to when you will be sending our money, can you give me a date?
David
I offered to have her shipped here from BC to Ontario to be have the surgery done by a well known specialist, and do all her after care which I am told is alot of work, and I would cover all the expenses, I heard nothing back until after they did the surgery there in BC. GOOD ENOUGH IT DID WORK AND WAS SUCCESSFUL.
So now Alexis and Lee/Synn are on the bandwagon together attempting to smear my name all over the dog world, however it is just a matter of time before I get sick of them and take them to court for this matter, they post false information's under false names just to make things look bigger then it really is. Alexis why did you leave that poor animal for so long in pain? Why did you not seek out emergency help when she hurt herself running? 3days would you leave a child that long? I am sure you would not want to be left like that, It is severe pain a torn cruciate ligament. Facts are facts and these people who spend all their days and nights on chat boards etc have no facts and just opinions and made up stories as they think they have found something to make time go by faster and that something is my kennel.
I have many people very happy with their services and dogs, I can say out of (just a rough guess) 100 dogs I have produced in my lifetime in the breed maybe 5 people have had problems with their pets and still the only real unhappy one if Fila's owners, even after I gave back 50% of the money paid for her as the contract states. When in fact the specialists I spoke with all said I should not have as this is not life threatening and is an injury, all to common in large breeds today. Now I can also say Fila and 1 other dog in all the litters and years involved have torn Cruciates from my breedings. Also I can say I refunded Fila's owners not because of her injuries but because they bought a show/breeding quality dog and she did not turn out to be that breeding quality due to her hips not passing, now she has received a championship title, so her breed type was infact standard for the show ring, her health was not, and this was why she was refunded her half of the cost of the dog. Fila's owners have no grounds to sit around all day and complain, I can guarantee no other breeder would of done the same. Not for an injury.
Angela Canning
William
ny,New York,
U.S.A.
Rustic Kennels - Cane Corso Mastiff Breeder
#12Author of original report
Thu, October 21, 2004
Re: Rustic Kennels: The puppy Conga mentioned in the first message has since died of heart problems.
A family living in the Ontario region purchased a Cane Corso puppy from Rustic with the promise of an ear crop, FCI Papers and a Health Report.
The puppy was not cropped as promised and Rustic promised a refund which has never been forwarded to the buyers.
The puppy also came down with Pravo 10 days after the purchase and the FCI Papers have never been supplied.
William
ny,New York,
U.S.A.
Rustic Kennels - Cane Corso Mastiff Breeder
#12Author of original report
Thu, October 21, 2004
Re: Rustic Kennels: The puppy Conga mentioned in the first message has since died of heart problems.
A family living in the Ontario region purchased a Cane Corso puppy from Rustic with the promise of an ear crop, FCI Papers and a Health Report.
The puppy was not cropped as promised and Rustic promised a refund which has never been forwarded to the buyers.
The puppy also came down with Pravo 10 days after the purchase and the FCI Papers have never been supplied.
William
ny,New York,
U.S.A.
Rustic Kennels - Cane Corso Mastiff Breeder
#12Author of original report
Thu, October 21, 2004
Re: Rustic Kennels: The puppy Conga mentioned in the first message has since died of heart problems.
A family living in the Ontario region purchased a Cane Corso puppy from Rustic with the promise of an ear crop, FCI Papers and a Health Report.
The puppy was not cropped as promised and Rustic promised a refund which has never been forwarded to the buyers.
The puppy also came down with Pravo 10 days after the purchase and the FCI Papers have never been supplied.
William
ny,New York,
U.S.A.
Rustic Kennels - Cane Corso Mastiff Breeder
#12Author of original report
Thu, October 21, 2004
Re: Rustic Kennels: The puppy Conga mentioned in the first message has since died of heart problems.
A family living in the Ontario region purchased a Cane Corso puppy from Rustic with the promise of an ear crop, FCI Papers and a Health Report.
The puppy was not cropped as promised and Rustic promised a refund which has never been forwarded to the buyers.
The puppy also came down with Pravo 10 days after the purchase and the FCI Papers have never been supplied.
William
ny,New York,
U.S.A.
Rustic Kennels
#12Author of original report
Tue, October 19, 2004
Sire: Ch. Aragorn Del Rustic
Dam: Blusteel's Magic
To all those parties interested in my Blusteel's Magic and Rustic Kennels "Aragorn" breeding. I am sorry to say after double checking with Angela to confirm this breeding and her giving me the ok to advertise, this breeding will not take place. Everything was set to go, I then asked for a hip certificate for Aragorn because I will not use a dog that has not cleared in my breeding program. I have not received any more email from Angela after asking for that certificate. I went to her site to see if maybe she changed her email address and find an update stating she has decided not to let her dogs stud outside of her kennel. I have yet to hear it from her directly but that is no longer necessary. Again I apologize to those interested but a healthy litter means more to me then a pretty pedigree.
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