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Secret Garden Pomeranian BUYER BEWARE cook Minnesota
If you are looking to buy a Pomeranian puppy i would be very leary of this breeder. They have a nice website that just sucks you in. None of the puppies that you see on the website they will have just a fyi....so it is a little misleading. The Breeder Anna Shelde could be a good breeder or this whole thing could be a scam so just beware.
The first red flag is that if you want a puppy you have to go on a waiting list. In order to go on a waiting list you have to send her $500. When i asked is there a form or a contract to fill out, which i thought was very important as that way there is something in writing to first identify what type of puppy you are looking for and any other details and to show some form of formality about sending $500 blindly to someone on the internet, she said she doesnt have one.
She doesnt have any formal form or contract but she just wants you to send her $500 and then you may have to wait up to 6 months for a puppy.
The second red flag is that there is no set price for a puppy that you are going to send a $500 deposit in on. She says the price will range from $1800-$2500 and she wont know until they are born to determine price???? Seriously. she first wants you to send her a very Large deposit, other breeders are only $100 by the way, then she wont give you any contract or anything in writing, then your price is not set and can range as much as $700.
So she waits for a litter to be born, have you get your hopes up when you see the puppies' pictures and she cam make the price whatever she wants at that point. Like are you going to say no at that point because the price is too high, have the next person in line willing to pay her ungodly fee and you go back on the waiting list for another couple months, just to go through that all over again??? This is nothing more than a way to gouge you and prey upon your emotions.
What kind of hocus pocus is this????
Sure i will send some stranger on the internet a $500 deposit, no contract, no forms, on a puppy with NO predetermined price??
Most puppies are ready to be sold after weening at 6 weeks.
Even if you were to go through all these motions she wont give up the puppies until they are anywhere's from 8-9 weeks old.
That may be fine for most people but every dog that I ever had in my 45 years we have got at 6 weeks old just like alot of other people do and the dogs are just fine. You cant beat that special time as they are only puppies for a very short time and they are full grown before you know it.
So in the event that this is not a scam if you are willing to subject yourself to these unethical business procedures of hers, she is enjoying all that puppy time by keeping them the extra weeks AND charging you a astronomical fee for this puppy. In the meanwhile she is posting pics on line of her having fun with YOUR puppy that you are paying top dollar for. Talk about getting your cake and eating it also? who wouldnt want to have puppies during that precious puppy time of their life and then charge YOU thousands of dollars for that puppy while she plays with them??
So for those of you who like to get the puppy as soon as possible at 6 or 7 weeks old to enjoy those precious few weeks, jsut a fyi....with this place it WONT happen. If you dont care whether the puppy is older and paying up to $2500 for someone else to enjoy your puppy time then all the power to you. But its not for me.
When we asked about getting the puppy sooner than the 8 or 9 weeks the owner Anna went on to justify why she wouldnt and when we said that we were going to look into other breeders then and see if we could get one at a sooner time frame than her then she got all psycho and told me to never contact her again etc...... ????
Any consumer has a write to shop around and ask as many questions as they feel necessary, especially on such a large purchase price and try and find what is best for what they, the Consumer, are looking for. So for someone to get all psycho just raises more red flags as there is possibly something wrong with this woman and this place.
i guess i am thankful because the pictures they post on line are very tempting and any dog lover could easily get sucked into this potential scam. So if you feel that sending $500 blindly to someone in another state, off the internet, with NO formal papers, forms etc.... and willing to let her have your puppy time then good luck. We found our current pomerainian and only paid $350 and got her at 6 weeks old and she is as precious as they come. So i am thankful i didnt waste $2500 as we will just look locally as we did before.
The goal of this is to just let you know what we experienced and the potential red flags that went up for us. Whether or not she is a legitimate breeder and whether or not you will get the high priced puppy that you are blindly sending in a $500 deposit in on, I can not confirm or Deny as we did not go through with this. So I can make no claim to the validity of this "business". I only share what i experienced.
Rule #1- Buyer Beware
17 Updates & Rebuttals
Vallerie
Minneapolis,Minnesota,
USA
Very satisfied customer
#18Consumer Comment
Sat, May 21, 2016
This report is totally baseless. We as a family were shopping for a new pet,when we contacted Anna after seeing her website. After talking with her she invited us to come to her home to visit and see her dogs. It was a 4 hour drive for us but we'll worth the trip. My husband, my two daughters and myself had such a great time meeting her and her family.Anna's dogs are truly a big part of her family.my daughters played outside with her sons and dogs and did not want to leave. When our puppy was born she contacted us right away and sent us pictures and the pictures and videos kept coming until we picked her up. You have the nerve to complain about the cost and deposit and the the fact you do not get to smell enough puppy breath then don't call. It is all written on her website if you don't agree then why did you contact her? Pure ignorance and then you make this stupid report because you didn't get your way how childish. Do the dog world a favor and buy a plush toy and I am sure you can find a puppy breath air fresher on the internet.
Pom Lover
Birmingham,Alabama,
USA
Brian has Issues with Himself and Not With Secret Gardens
#18General Comment
Fri, May 20, 2016
Brian, I can not imagine that a small business owner like yourself would get so angry about not being able to buy a Pomeranian puppy from this breeder that you would go so far as to publically post a false report. How would you like it if suddenly, lots of random strangers posted false ripoff reports accusing you of not being a reputable Insurance company? You stirred up a red ant's nest and now be prepared for the fall out. There is too many things wrong with this world and you are part of the problem. Your false report has fallen on deaf ears as you know NOTHING about the care and breeding practices of this fine breeder. I have been on her Waiting List for a long time but I'm not on here bitching and moaning because I KNOW Excellence is worth waitig for! So, put on your big boy pants. Apologize publically to Ania and start acting like a REAL man and not a whiny Mama's Boy!
Emily
Portland,Maine,
USA
I am shocked with what I just read
#18Consumer Comment
Fri, May 20, 2016
Nowdays you can learn so much from others! Thank you Brian! After reading your review I am convinced you are a total (((REDACTED))), nothing else. I 100% support the breeder and her practices. I wish I was shopping for a puppy now, because I would definetly contact this wonderful, carring person. I probably will one day. I just checked her website and a FB page. What a carring person she is. She has wonderful reviews, and one rotten apple like you will not change people's opinion about her.
You ridiculed yourself making such post. But you cannot cure stupid. I am trully sorry for you and your family if you have one.
Emily, Pomeranian lover
Sara
Kansas City,Kansas,
USA
I am purchasing another puppy from this breeder!!!
#18Consumer Comment
Thu, May 19, 2016
I found out about this awful slander post by accident. I called Ania last night wondering if I could place a deposit for my another baby from her. She told me about what she is dealing with on this page, and I am honored to add my story here .
I established a relationship with the breeder, owner of Secret Garden Pomeranian 2 years ago when I was looking for a reputable Pomeranian breeder. I was doing a huge research and I came across her beautiful website. I gave Ania a call, and I must say that we connected right away, and I felt that I wanted a puppy from no one else but her. She has an enormous knowledge about the breed, she told me things I had no idea about. She was eager to answer my every question even in late evening hours. During the adoption process, she was frequently updating me about my baby, by sending me his videos and photos. I got my baby when he was 10 weeks old, as Ania felt he was not ready to leave her home earlier. Earl, was delivered to me by a puppy nanny hired by Ania, as she is not comfortable with shipping her babies using cargo. I got my beautiful baby, and I cannot be any happier. I will not buy from any other breeder but her. Ania's waiting list is long, because she is a hobby breeder and she doesn’t have puppies all year long. Her puppies are of great quality and any customer who values quality will buy from her. Like they say, you get this what you pay for. The author of the original post is very wrong, he had no right to post such things about one of the nicest people I know. I hope you feel ashamed Brian!
Lisa
Cedar Rapids Ia,Iowa,
USA
Refusal. And Disagree to this Slander
#18Consumer Comment
Thu, May 19, 2016
I totally Disagree to all this legal slander that is posted on regarding Secret Garden Pomeranian. I believe the person initiating this ripoff comment or posting has not done any type of research on buying or purchasing a puppy. First of all 6 weeks is way too young legally and morally to sell a puppy. Secindly, at that age 6 weeks the vaccinations are not complete to keep the puppies health in good condition according to AKC regulations. Thirdly, as a buyer you should want the best for your puppy, not a just a 6 week promise. AKC has standards a lot of regulations and breeders that would sell any puppy at 6 weeks would not be guaranteed by AKC standards if sold at such a young age. I would suggest the person look at his own skeletons in their own closet before trying to go up against or post on ripoff. Your opinion does not matter when it is regarding a 6 week old puppy. The deposit for an AKC pomeranian is usually 500 or more, I personally have paid 800 deposit for a pomeranian puppy. I have sold and purchased pomeranian from Secret Garden Pomeranian in the past and will continue to do so in the future do to the loving experience I have gained from this reputable breeder. I also know the many other breeders that have sold and bought from this breeder and can concur that there is no negative feedback nor unhappy customers from the business they gave or received from this breeder. I also want to mention to this complainer or comment editor that by placing this type of article on this website that not only are you bashing the breeder and Secret garden pomeranian but you are bashing all the other breeders that she has purchased from and clients that she sold to as well as the American Kennel Club Association for creating their rules and regulations. Hiwever, at this point I think you have basically sank your credibility as well. Attention to detail Sir complainer, I would suggest you research your AKC standards, rules, and regulations, and stop being a whiner, and realize you are just mad because no breeder in their right mind would sell any puppy at 6 weeks, because it's not legal according to AKC
Lisa
customer
birmingham,Alabama,
USA
very happy customer
#18Consumer Comment
Thu, May 19, 2016
What a horrible slander post! The poster should be ashamed of himself! I know this breeder in person, my wife and I bought from her 2 beautiful Pomeranians. Healthy, happy, and well socialized. We were invited to her house and we meet all dogs. We placed 2 deposits and we were notified about our girls' birth 5 minutes after they were born! She sent us photos while they were delivered. We were part of a whole process. How can you be so rotten and try to ruin someone’s good name? Your post about this reputable breeder is the most ridiculous. She is playing with the puppies??? Thank goodness she does, our beautiful babies are very well socialized. She takes photos??? We were waiting for those photos every week, we made a baby book for my Pomeranians using her beautiful work. I am so glad she didn't sell you one of her puppies. You have a mental problem, it is obvious. I hope she takes you to court as she is saying. I would too. I am a member of many FB Pomeranian groups and I will watch your posts, I hope no reputable breeder will sell to you.
Maybe one day the karma will get you.
customer
birmingham,Alabama,
USA
customer's post
#18Consumer Comment
Thu, May 19, 2016
What a horrible slender post! The poster should be ashamed of himself! I know this breeder in person, my wife and I bought from her 2 beautiful Pomeranians. Healthy, happy, and well socialized. We were invited to her house and we meet all dogs. We placed 2 deposits and we were notified about our girls' birth 5 minutes after they were born! She sent us photos while they were being delivered. We were part of a whole process. How can you be so rotten and try to ruin someone’s good name? Your post about this reputable breeder is the most ridiculous. She is playing with the puppies??? Thank goodness she does, our beautiful babies are very well socialized. She takes photos??? We were waiting for those photos every week, we made a baby book for our Pomeranians using her beautiful work. I am so glad she didn't sell you one of her puppies. You have a mental problem, it is obvious. I hope she takes you to court as she is saying. I would too. I am a member of many FB Pomeranian groups and I will watch your posts, I hope no reputable breeder will sell to you.
Maybe one day the karma will get you.
Pom Lover
Birmingham,Alabama,
USA
This is an Unfounded Complaint!!!
#18General Comment
Thu, May 19, 2016
This is an unfounded complaint made by a very disturbed individual whose sour grapes response to being denied from purchasing one of the Secret Garden Pomeranians has led to the filing of this unwarranted complaint. Secret Garden Pomeranians is one of the finest Pomeranian breeders in the country, renowned for the beautiful, healthy, and loving AKC Pomeranians in standard and exotic colors. This complaint is the result of a refusal of sale to an individual whom misrepresented himself as a loving pet buyer in search of a pet when in reality he was asking for breed stock at a pet price. The seller refused to sell to a buyer who wanted to take a puppy when it was 6 weeks of age so he could "smell its puppy breath". No reputable breeder releases a pup until it is at least 9 to 12 weeks of age to ensure its safety and health in its new home. The buyer was denied a sale and inreturn the buyer acted like a petulant child. Striking out against a caring and loving breeder because he did not get his way. The complaintant hid behind his keyboard to post his defamatory lies and to try to incite negative reviews for the Pomeranian breeder who only acted in the best interest of her beloved babies. Shame on him! Now, his name will be known to all reputable Pomeranian breeders as someone NOT to sell to! The Breeder who has been publically attacked should seek legal restitution for the lies the complaintant has posted.
PomsNZ
Morrinsville,New Zealand
Other Breeders thoughts
#18General Comment
Thu, May 19, 2016
I am a reputable regsitered breeder in New Zealand.
He mentions about the pictures and some of the dogs, I too have a website and often I get in new dogs, others are rehomed, etc, I do not have the time to update every day, no breeder does. why is he complaing about something so trivial?
I would never send a puppy at 6 weeks, so I suggest Brian finds out why almsot 100% of registered breeders will not.(i.e why it is NOT good for the puppy) He may have had pups at 6 weeks in the past, but new research has shown this to be deterimental to the puppy.
Is he moaning about a waiting list ?What does he expect, we have a supply of puppies waiting to be rehomed, if this is what he expects then I suggest he buy a TOY dog, that is about the only pom puppy availble right now... Its not ike we file spare pups away to be brought out later.
He is complaining about the breeder playing with the pups.. Not sure if he knows this, but its actually GOOD THING!.they get socialilzation and they learn.. does he want the breeder to totallyi ignore the puppy? But then he complains bout her putting u pics of her playing with puppies she actualy has at that time, then complains because he comes along later, sees the puppy and wants that paticular puppy... makes no sense!!!
A deposit is normal for a lot of breeders, if he doesnt want to pay a deposit, then dont, go find another breeder. Contracts re contracts, and each breeder has thier own one, you dont have the same contract for your television set to your roofer, same as breeders. I once sent $15k deposit for a puppy, is he worried bout losing the money? then dont send it.. simple....
A lot of breeders will sell higher quality puppies for a higher price,there is nothing wrong in that. some do, some dont, again if he doesnt like it, say thank you and move on, there is no need to put this breeders reputation at risk like this. Id be appalled if it happened to me!
I find brians attitude in the texts he sent the breeder to be horrific, I would certainly not send him a puppy either, and I hope this breeder does sue him for slander.
Aniads21
Cook,Minnesota,
USA
deposit
#18REBUTTAL Owner of company
Wed, May 18, 2016
Thank you very much for your post. I actualy do not require any deposit. A deposit is an option, and if someone realy wants to place such, I allow it. I never had one problem about this, and I have 100% satisfied customers who decided to palce one. I told brian about this. Brian has never ask me about a money contract, but puppy application. I answered to him, that I dont have such and I base my opinion about a bouyer on my conversation with him. After a conversation with Brian I decided I would never sell any puppy to him.
My lawyer was notified and withing 2 weeks he will be contacting Brian Seiferlein who resides in Waterford Michigan about our first hearing regarding his slender towards me and my breeding program.
Age is not the issue
#18Author of original report
Wed, May 18, 2016
The age is not the issue. That is her choice and no problem as i stated in my email that she didnt attach. Per emails that i sent that respected her decision and when i said i was going to shop around she became rude and demeaning. She crossed the line. it could of been left alone at that point. AGE of pup is NOT the issue in this case.
What IS the issue is her business practices as i stated previously about NO contract, NOTHING in writing while expecting people to send $500 in Blindly, NO set price on the dog. She wants you to pick your dog by the 2nd week but she wont give you the price until the 4th week??? And after paying $2500 she WONT give you the papers on your high priced dog unless you fix it. SUREEEE
All these statements that i have just made are all verfied in her emails.
This report is valid and it is up to each person to make their own decision. I merely point out what i discoverd in YES- Doing my homework on this breeder and this breeders' business practices. NO way in Hell am i ever going to send someone a large deposit, with NO contract, NO refund policy, nothing in writing, and i have to pick my dog by 2 weeks of age and i wont know the price until the 4th week of age and after paying $2500 i wont get the papers unless i take my dog in for an operation and render its ability to have puppies eliminated.
Not for ME!
So Anna needs to stop writing reports pretending to be a customer defending her. By the way Within 15 minutes of the oringinal report being filed a counter was filed. There is NO way on earth a random customer would come to her defense so quickly. When the original report is filed she gets a copy and within 15 minutes a randm customer is defending her??? SUREEEE
I believe She is pulling a Donald Trump and being her own spokesperson while pretending to be someone else with all these rebuttal posts. If you look on her facebook page you will see a post where she is Begging for past clients to post good thngs on her FB page. And this was posted well before this ever transpired. So she is in desperate need of good things for people to say about her for some reason??
It is just another way she is trying to manipulate the public opinion of her.
If this continues or when i get time to spend more of my precious time on this i will post her rude, condescending, and threatenig emails for the public to see. She even tells me in a written email that she is a person of "HIGH Position" in her community and she is going to sue me for telling the truth of my experience. Can you believe that? I am supposed to bow down because she is someone who is of "High Position" in her community?
Apparently i didnt know i was dealing with an Empress and the lowly peasant that I am is not worthy of not agreeing with her and when i said i was going to shop around it infuriated the Queen where she then went on ato degrade me and eventually threatenend me.
So as i said when i have more time i will be posting the emails for all to see.
Jane Lehitnen APC Referral chair
VIRGINIA,Minnesota,
USA
Pomeranians sold too Young
#18General Comment
Wed, May 18, 2016
As the breeder referral for the American Pomeranian Club We do recommend Breeders Not sell their puppies till at least 10 weeks. In fact if you are a member of this club you are NOT allow to sell any younger. The old wifes tail of having to get dogs at 6 weeks is just that "its old" New studies have confiamed that breeders should not sell any younger than 10 weeks as they need the socialization of being with their litter mates. Most states now have a Lemon law that requires breeders not to sell any younger than 8 weeks. Too many puppies sold to young do not make it becuase they sometimes need more care than what the new owner can do. If you wish to make sure that the breeder is a good breeder you can always contact the american Kennel Club for infromation on breeders.
Jane Lehtinen
American Pomeranian Club
Breeder Referral Chair.
Fellow Breeder
Pennsylvania,USA
Do your homework Brian
#18Consumer Comment
Wed, May 18, 2016
Brian all states but 3 require by law that pups not be sold or taken from their mother till at least 8 weeks of age! Michigan is one of those states that does require 8 weeks or older. Also the vet cannot vaccinate your puppy till 8 weeks of age. Why would you want a puppy that has had no shots yet and could die from not being protected? I don't agree with a deposit being made on an unborn puppy, but that is the breeders preference and right! If you did not like their practices then just don't buy the puppy, but trying to put her on here as a SCAMMER or a rip off artist when you never gave her a cent is wrong and unjustified. You should do the right thing and remove it!
Aniads21
Cook,Minnesota,
USA
A little note
#18REBUTTAL Owner of company
Wed, May 18, 2016
Mr. Brian, contacted me few days ago about buying a pomeranian puppy. I had a nice conversation with him, which is all screen shot and saved for possible court case regarding slander. I explained the potential buyer how my breeding program works. I am a very reputable breeder, who has a waiting list all the time. None of my customers was unsatisfied. I have multiple good reviews, and my customers will stand behind me 100%. Mr. Brian seemed to be very satisfied with my ansvers, and all he wanted was a blue eye puppy, and he was trying to convince me that I should let the puppy join his family when he is only 6 weeks old. He said he wants to smell "puppy breath". He didn't care if the puppy would be ready by then or not, all he cared was puppy breath. I did explain to Mr. Brian why I am not going to sell him a puppy, and I asked him not to inquire about a puppy with me anymore.
I believe every person has right to find a breeder he likes, and if you dont like my practices, move on. I have right to refuse to sell a puppy to anybody that I am not comfortable with. My dogs and puppies are my family, and I will always make sure they go to the right hands. I do have a contract, I require a neuter and spay proof, and I rehome puppies with breeding rights only after I am sure thst this is a good environment to place my dog in. My prices are adjusted accordingly to a quality of dogs I sell.
If Mr. Brian doesnt remove the slander post about me, I will be failing a court case against him. As for now, I forgive him, despite his foul language. He needs help and I hope he will get such.
Please you are very welcome to contact me through my website and my FB page. I will be happy to help anybody who would like to learn about Pomeranian breed.
Sincerely, A. Schelde
Brain washed
#18Author of original report
Tue, May 17, 2016
Sounds like you been brain washed. Getting a puppy at 6 or 7 weeks is perfectly fine. i can speak from experience over 45 years and bredding my own dogs. There is NO issues what so ever.
So as i said if you want to pay for a dog where you have NO idea what the price will be, no paperwork, reciept, ora contract spelling out the terms and what you are looking for and then forced to fix your dog after paying such a high fee ALL the power to you lady. AS judge Wapner used to say "get it in writing" and there is absolutely nothing in writing here.
She wants to have total control over you and if you like that sort of thing good for you.
They are a dog that can be only used for a PET according to her after YOU pay the super high price and get your dog when SHE decides and you will pay what SHE decides. And since you have nothing in writing there is nothing that spells out a refund policy so you are screwed once she has your ridicoulous $500 deposit. Every other breeder is $100. So if you dont like the way she does things then you can kiss your $500 goodbye since there is NOTHING in writing.
Anyone willing to agree to these one sided terms obviously as you say "didnt do your homework" on how a business is supposed to be run. This IS a back yard breeder as professional breeders dont ask you to send money blindly with out a contract or some sort of form spelling out terms and conditions. She brainwashes you with a photos of dogs that she doesnt posess on a well designed website. If she can put that much money into a website then she can afford to draw up a contract. But that is what back yard breeders do, they just shoot from the cuff. No set price, no contract, no nothing. gullible people blindly send their money in hoping for the best.
IN this day and age good luck with that. Buyer Beware
This lady is a control freak and if this is for you have at it.
Not for me!
Linda
Marlboro,Massachusetts,
USA
Not a scam or rip off at all
#18Consumer Comment
Tue, May 17, 2016
I am awaiting my very beautiful puppy that Anna has bred. I spoke with Anna back in March after doing a ton of research. I am not looking for your average Pomeranian. I am looking for a top quality Pom. I sent Anna the $500 through PayPal. I would have no issues getting my money back if this was a scam. Remember I did my home work. We discussed price and I was well aware that there was not a set price until the puppy was 5 or 6 weeks old. Not a problem for me. I know what makes a quality Pom. I could see at four weeks old that my Pom was of the highest quality. I don't bargain shop. I want the best therefore I know it will cost more. If your homework was done you would see that this was standard practice for quality breeders. I also know you did not do your homework regarding the best age to take a puppy away from its mom and litter mates. Anything under 8 weeks is too young. There are plenty of back yard breeders were I'm sure you could get exactly what you are looking for. I however will wait for the appropriate time to recieive my very beautiful well socialized pup! Please check out Anna's Facebook page Secret Garden Pomeranians to see what other happy clients have said.
One More thing
#18Author of original report
Tue, May 17, 2016
I forgot to add one more thing, so even if you still were going to go through that whole process and pay $2500 for a dog, unless you spay or neuter your dog she will NOT give you the papers for it! You have to show proof of dog getting fixed. So if you ever wanted to have your puppy grow up and have puppies of their own, or stud it out etc....you wont be able to. she wants you pay $2500 for a dog, keep your dog as long as possbile, and then she wont give you the papers unless you get it fixed.????
Psycho is all I have to say!