Complaint Review: Stuart Police Department - Officer Danny Carey Mr. Osborne 911 Fort Pierce Police Department.

This is Samson Option, the original poster.

Apparently, hardly anyone reads these posts, and if they do, they don't give a d**n.

I have posted about this on various forums for years. It is always the same. As soon as they see it is primary source info. on 9-11 they go on some sort attack, either outright or covered, but it is always some sort of incredulousness or denunciation, or as in this forum the ---you are guilty of lying until proven innocent approach, which they like to call skepticism.

The lawyer told me to ask the editor for his personal information, and that we could contact outside the forum. I asked the editor. The information was not forthcoming, and that was predictable. It was.

The so-called lawyer said I never gave him any detailed information he asked for. Read several posts up, and you will see that too is a lie. I gave him the exact day and almost the exact time , and the very spot from where I made that call on September 10, 2001. As usual, there is no valid response from the invalidators.

There are always people out there who need to twist other peoples' thinking about the truth of 9-11. Read the so-called 9-11 truth forums and others, and you will see many examples of that fact. On this forum, one claims to say that if he cannot find proof somewhere of some call I made, then I did not make the call. That is a very interesting concept to say that something which definitely did happen did not happen simply because he cannot verify it. What does that tell you about lawyers?

For some reason they feel the need to wrongfully influence others as to certain truths about 9-11.

The facts were in 1997, and they will always have been and be. I had known about the coming attacks in New York and Washington in detail since 1997. I told about 130 people about them, many in very high detail, including people in law enforcement, and they did NOTHING AS USUAL.

If that is the kind of government you want, you have no problem. You've got it. Now all you have to do is sit back, take it easy, ignore it all, and wait to get nuked.

This is Samson Option, the original poster.

I sent in a number of follow-up letters here that did not make it onto the screen.

This is the original poster, Samson Option.

It is a shame that these people are allowed to continue their disparagement and harassmment.

They are liars to the core. Ignore them.

Note that information one asked for and insisted was not forthcoming is clearly posted on this thread.

Whether they are from Indiana, California, New Jersey, Topeka, Toronto, or Timbuktu, internet forums are full of them.

I will go it alone. I have a manuscript of ninety pages and 54,000+ words. I will publish it one of these days.

And even if one is a lawyer, it does not prove he are here to help me at all. His words say he is here for other reasons.

Prove your intentions are good.

Samson Option
27 June 2008

'Why are you posting here?
You have stated your opinion over and over again . Why do you keep posting here?
If you do not want to believe, then you will not. I posted here to report facts.

You have an interest in denying government complicity in 9-11. You have stated your opinion. Goodbye'

You have spammed your 'wanna be a hero in the worst way' crap all over the internet and have been banned from many, many sites already. You post on topix from a Kuwait address and bash this country to no end for no reason. If you were so privy to the attacks, why didn't you go to New York and evacuste the towers yourself and prevent many from dying. You are a fake who will never have a lot in life. Charles needs a date, go hang with him and his lies.

All this is exactly why he wasn't taken seriously. (And should of been, might I add)
Not one of you know whether he is lying or not. This however, is besides the point. No one had the good sense to check it out at the time of his claim either, and the rest is history.
I suggest you all stop name calling and accusing the man of trying to lay claim to fame, when all he is doing is pointing out some facts of neglect on the parts of the establishment.

Isn't it obvious that this ROR is a feeble attempt to rile folks?

C'mon Tim. I've read the 911 commission report-there's no mention of this "professor" or the stuff he claims.

He's 6 years too late in his attempt to lay claim to fame over this tragedy.

Samson,

Here's the deal. I am willing to verify ANYTHING about myself that you would like to know, including the fact that not only have I been involved in several civil rights cases and am BY NO MEANS pro-government. My Indiana attorney license number is 26253-64. From there, you can submit a FOIA request to the Indiana Supreme Court, the federal court for the Northern District of Indiana, and the ferderal court for the Western District of Michigan.

You can get a full record of every ANTI-government case I've been involved with. The state bar is MORE than happy to divulge this information.

My issue is that you have not given ample information for us to verify your statements. I would still like to believe that your statements are true. And I would like to help you expose this matter not only in this forum, but in other publications and media as well.

I gave you Ed's email address above. Ed knows how to contact me and would be more than happy to do so. He's a great guy, share's our anti-government sentiments, and will surely allow us to have a private conversation whereby your assertions can be verified or invalidated.

So I implore you to take this step, get my personal info, and allow me to help you in proving your tale.

Best regards!

Another thing.

It is not I who am wading farther into the deep end, but people like you and people who run your coutry are. So far, your leaders have succeeded in making mortal enemies around the world, many of whom have sworn to nuke at least one large Amerikan city, and from what I know of Amerikkkan foreign policy, it is very understandable that they should want to get their retribution in that way.

I was born and raised in the USA, and have traveled it widely, including bicycling across it six times. If what I have found of Amerikkkans is a representative sample, I think think you are mostly a bunch of low-life criminals.

So far on this forum. all you all have proven is that you are liars who are much more interested in getting your kicks with petty libels and innuendos than in doing anything at all about government complicity in enabling what happened on September 11, 2001, or on any date with any of their corruption.

All you have showed me so far, and his goes for you all and almost all others on internet forums, is that you got what you had coming on 9-11, and perhaps even deserved it. The USA is a lying criminal enterprise, and you all prove it everytine you open your mouths or write. Screw you. Get yout own psychiatrist you son of a w***e.

Date: September 10, 2001.
Time: Approximately 8:30 p.m.
Place: Fort Pierce, Florida. I called from a pay phone next to the Dunkin Donut shop and the Waffle House on the south side Okeechobee Road between I-95 and Florida Turnpike. It could possibly have been the 9th.

I walked up, opened the phone book, and saw a number of so-called law or emergency numbers in bold print on the inside front cover of the book. Maybe first page, I don't remember. I called one. It was most likely not the sheriff's department because I have an e-mail from Sheriff Ken Mascara that says they checked their records for that time and received no such call.

On this call, the last pre 9-11 warning, I did not give information on where or how the attacks would take place. In fact, I outright refused to. It was man on the phone. It was probably the police department because they have refused to answer any of seven letters I have sent them. This was not 911. It was a seven digit number. I did tell him to expect an imminent terrorist attack. He kept asking questions, but I refused to give.

And so what. If they deny it, how do you know they didn't put it in file 13 after 9-11? I have already stated repeatedly all official sources have denied and stonewalled.

Prove you would like to prove my assertions. It seems like you want to sweep aside eye witnesses. and then look to people who have already lied repeatedly and refused to cooperate. If you trust government and cops you must have rocks in your head. They are goddamned liars in my book, and to be trusted only when necessary.

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Date: Uncertain. Early month of 2001. March? April?
Time: Morning, after 9:00, before noon. A clear day with blue skies.A weekday.
Place: Stuart, Florida. I called from a pay phone on the southwest corner of SW Ocean Blvd. and US Highway One, near Shepard Park. This was a 911 call which rang at the Stuart Police Dept. on Martin Luther King Blvd. A black woman answered the phone.

It was a short talk. Basically, I told them terrorists or guerrillas were in the area planning attacks and using aiurplanes. There was more, but that was the gist.
I hung up and walked away before they could trace it and send their soldiers from the baby attacking, child torturuing state to ID me.

Incidentally, that phone booth had been standing there for at least 15 years by that time. Not long after news of my call got onto the internet, it disappeared. It was taken out. The only thing left of it is a concrete pad in the ground with 3 or 4 holes in it where the stand and whatever went in. I got photos just to be sure.



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And besides, suppose they cannot or will not verify? All you are proving is that they are lying, or really threw the tapes away, or lost or deleted them by accident or deliberately.

You cannot disprove anything I have said. Any statement by you that I am false would absolutely have to be a lie.You see, I know without any question whatsoever what I am talking about. You may have a need to influence others as to the credibility of my accusations, but if you come up with anything contradicting what I have said, you absolutely have to be lying, and I know that without question. You cannot tell someone who is telling the truth in every regard that you have proof otherwise. The minute you say you have proof that what I have said is false, I know you are just another phony and just another internet liar emboldened by the disance of the internet. It is you who are the crackpot. Go ahead. FOI those crooks in Fort Pierce. But no matter what you come up with, I know absolutely I made the call. Of that there is no question whatsoever. What they say, yes or no, and what you believe are irrelevant to what happened.

You have stated your opinion over and over again . Why do you keep posting here?
If you do not want to believe, then you will not. I posted here to report facts.

You have an interest in denying government complicity in 9-11. You have stated your opinion. Goodbye.

You have stated your opinion over and over again . Why do you keep posting here?
If you do not want to believe, then you will not. I posted here to report facts.

You have an interest in denying government complicity in 9-11. You have stated your opinion. Goodbye.

You have stated your opinion over and over again . Why do you keep posting here?
If you do not want to believe, then you will not. I posted here to report facts.

You have an interest in denying government complicity in 9-11. You have stated your opinion. Goodbye.

"Prove you make a living in civil rights cases with government as your adversary. Prove that. Let's see how easy it is."

Actually, I make most of my living these days practicing bankruptcy. I stated that I make a "substantial" portion of my living in civil rights work. As for proving that, no problem. Contact Ed (editor@ripoffreport.com), reference this report and ask for my personal contact info. I hereby authorize Mr. Magedson to release such information to you.

Shoot me an email and I will give you a listing of each Section 1983 case I've worked on. Then you can call the clerk of each court, verify that these are/were in fact civil rights cases, and verify that I was either the attorney of record for the Plaintiff or an associate of the attorney of record.

I actually believed your report the first time I came across it, although I did have some questions. Now, with every update you submit, you look more and more like a delusional crackpot. The last one does not look like the writings of a sane person.

So at this point, I'm presuming that your report is bogus, and that you probably need some psychiatric help. However, if you want to give a listing of the date, time, agency, and location of each report you made, each 911 call you placed, etc., I'll do the FOIA requests myself.

I would LOVE to help you prove that your statements are accurate, and would prefer to be able to come back and let everyone know that your report has been verified. But I don't think it's going to happen. And although I share your lack of faith in the creditability of the majority of government officials, I don't think the lack of verification will be the product of corruption in the system.

Here, you can call this into question also.

When I was in correspondence with people in Saudi Arabia and possibly elsewhere in 1997, they, the others, did not in any way mention attacking buildings in the United States with commandeered aircraft. I already had my own manuscript depicting such an attack, and I still have the original of it today dating back to 1989. I am the one who wrote it. I also considered it in 1969-70 against the state of Florida, and for very good reasons too.

I suggested that such an attack had a high likelihood of success in the USA. I gave short directions on what to say and not say to avoid coming under suspicion while training, and where to come for the training. If you can get the crooks at 911 in Stuart to FOI their tapes, or mandamus them, you will clearly hear me telling them terrorists were in the area planning attacks and using airplanes. They were there too.

I asked in 1997 if anyone would be interested in such a mission. Their answer indicated they were very interested. That was one reason I followed up by finding out about where they would attack, and learned the exact targets. I took it seriously, and I also sensed that they did too.

I also informed them of several nefarious crimes against myself and others in Florida that went unsettled by law enforcement and the legal system. I told them I wanted to get even. I asked for international justice and retribution because my own government had sold us out. I also told them I could tell any number of people about the coming attacks, and nobody would do a thing to stop it because of the crazy, arrogant attitudes most Americans seem to possess. History shows I was absolutely correct in my estimation of things, despite the ability of government and media to cover up the facts.

Once I was sure they were definitely going to go through with it, I started telling others.

Can I absolutely prove this? By your rules, probably not, but there are 130 people out there who I told, many very clearly and unmistakably.

I was never able to prove six months of specifically worded terrorist threats in Germany before my train was derailed in Ireland killing 18 and mutilating some sixty more, but I sure as hell know it all happened.

I cannot prove here I was even on that train, but I was.

I cannot prove I was at the release of the American hostages from Iran, but I d**n sure was.

I cannot prove I met Timothy McVeigh in 1993 or 4 or 5, but I am sure I did, and have good reasons for thinking that.

I cannot prove I met Memet Ali Agca before he shot the Pope, but I know I did.

I cannot prove I met Charles Manson in Stuart, Florida when I was a little kid, but I am quite sure it was he, and there are good reasons for being quite sure.

There are all kinds of facts in my life I cannot absolutely prove happened, but they still happened nevertheless. Can you prove everything you say?

Prove you make a living in civil rights cases with government as your adversary. Prove that. Let's see how easy it is.

I have already stated this. All official sources of verification have stonewalled completely. Out of 130 persons who I told about the coming attacks of 9-11, I got six letters from five people. Sixty to seventy of the witnesses were college students to who I taught the attack plans almost as I was getting the information in Korea in 1997. Seven letters to the school have brought absolutely zero in response, but we can consider a refusal to answer as an answer of sorts.

In China I taught this to fifteen students in 2000, when they told me to stop talking about it or be fired. I also told three teachers there about it very clearly. At least this school did answer my letter. They refused to come up with the requested information, something to do with some policy of theirs.

Larry W. Bowman PH.D. answered my letters, but refused to address the issue of 9-11 in any way, except to say he had been called back to active duty in the national guard because of the attacks of 9-11.

Danny Carey claimed not to remember anything at all about our conversation and what I told him, but he did come up with a possible date when it happened.

The police department in Fort Pierce did not answer any of the seven letters I sent them. The Saint Lucie County Sheriff department did answer, saying they did not receive any such call on or around September 10, 2001. I would hazard to say that if it had been the sheriff department I called that night, they would have denied getting the call.

Mr. Osborne of the DOC became unavailable after 9-11, to me anyway. Repeated attempts to contact him through DOC at my hometown met with letters of declination.

There were some I told who have disappeared. I did not know them and they did not know me.

I have letters from:

Dub Davis a man retired from 46 years as a commercial airline pilot for TWA.

Steve Homer, a teacher in Korea.

Bob Dixon, a man among five others who I told about the attacks very loudly and clearly in a public park in Stuart, Florida in August of 2001.

Wendy and James Olmsted, two professors at the American University of Cairo in 2000. It was Wendy I warned not to go near New York or any tourist attractions that next year. She is really beautiful. I really liked her. Wendy told me she threw all her old e-mails away and does not remember anything about it. However, I did manage to salvage part of an old e-mail between her and me that shows a conversation on that matter had been in progress.

That is all I have as far as letters are the matter.

It has not been easy getting others to admit what I had been telling them. They just cast off the pre 9-11 information like so much meaningless bullshit no matter how actively I cautioned them not to do that.

I have a ninety-page, 54,000 word document detailing all this. There is much more to it than I can detail here. You have to see all the details to understand how deceptive and insincere some of these people were being when I was trying to impress upon them the importance of the information I had. I did not just, for example, mention it to Danny Carey in passing. I made a specific point of getting him to sit down and hear me out in a pointed conversation about the subject of the attacks that lasted maybe 15 minutes. He promised he would not just forget about it and would do what he was supposed to do. I made a point of getting him to tell me that. There is a lot more to this than meets the eye. Some of my warnings were very detailed, like what you might expect to see in a formal briefing with long speech and drawings and active, vigorous, urgent, warnings.

If I cannot satisfy your rules for proof then that is that, but I am not going to shut up just because a bunch of people are too embarrassed or too loathe to admit how wrong their perceptions were.

As far as FOI and writ of mandamus are concerned, I have not heard of that since I studied business law. I have not the time and money to do that. I do not trust the system or the police. I have found them to be partisan, dishonest, and to be avoided unless necessary to do otherwise.

You not only misinterpreted what I said, but you are also making unfounded character assumptions about me based on my questioning of your report.

As one stated above, I WAS NOT stating that you were lying. In fact, I believe I started my rebuttal out by showing how you COULD potentially be telling the truth.

And, as was also stated above, I was not attacking you, I was simply inviting you to back up your story with verifiable evidence, rather than jump on the defensive every time someone questions your tale.

And finally, I am as far from pro-government as you can get. I make a good portion of my living fighting civil rights cases wherein the government is my adversary. I believe that corruption is rampant at all levels of American government.

However, we're riding Ocham's razor here. The most likely answer is probably the correct answer. So when someone presents a rather questionable tale, refuses to quantify his assertions, and attacks those who would question him, it seems to me that skepticism is the appropriate response.

And FYI - I STILL have not stated that your story is false. I would just like to see something more verifiable. And if a government agency isn't coughing something up pursuant to a FOIA request, you file a writ of mandamus with the appropriate court. Sooner or later, you'll get that information, or at least a statement that the information was destroyed in bad faith.

To Tim:

I was just reading your post concerning internet forum conspiracy theorists.

I agree 100 % with what you have said. They are part of the problem, not the solution.

I invite you to reread my posts and see that what I am giving you here is primary source information. You can believe it or you can not believe it, and from what I have seen of 9-11 forums on the internet, I cannot blame you for not believing it.

It is understandable that anyone familiar with forums on the internet might be laughing at "another post on 9-11." Many such conspiratorial theories are outrageously, ridiculously, preposterous and idiotic. They shed a dark shadow of doubt on everyone who might have something real to contribute to understanding the phenomanon that was 9-11. I am not totally incognizant of that.

However, I am giving first-hand, personal experience in the matter, not some half-baked, vicarious theorizing. I know without question what I found out about the coming attacks of 9-11, who I told, and what I told them. I happen to know that there is absolutely no real question of any of this. When I know I discovered the attacks plans,and I know without question I told 130 people about it, and somebody tries to suggest I did not, of course, I take exception to it. Wouldn't you?

Besides, you all have made your statements. You don't believe it. OK. You belong to a big group. Now why don't you let it alone.

And what if you did believe it? There is nothing you can do about it anyway.
Like before 9-11. Like after 9-11. Here is the information.

A crime is committed. Nobody knows who did it, but there are two witnesses who see it done. They are called into court to testify. Both witnsses take the stand.

They identify the defendant as the man who threw the brick through the jewelry store window and grabbed the diamond necklace. Prosecutors do not find the necklace, but the defendant is sent to prison based on the testimony of the two witnesses.

The above scenario or ones similar to it are carried out every day.

If you refuse to accept testimony and what witnesses have to say, that's the way it goes. What do you want me to do about it? And you still have not verified that 911 operators and cops deal with conspiracy theories all day long.

I do not have time to deal with negativity. If that is the kind of security and law enforcement you want, I feel sorry for you. I told you some of the facts. If you want to not believe it, be my guest. But do not say nobody told you anything. And big foot sightings are totally irrelevant to this.

First, I'm sure you are aware that testimonials typed into an Internet forum are not proof of anything at all.

Second, when a skeptic questions something you say, they are not necessarily calling you a liar. They are inviting you to prove what you are saying with some kind of concrete, observable, indepently verifiable proof. Statements, anecdotes and testimonials are not proof.

I do not trust the government in many ways but I would need something a lot better than these forum entries to convince me that what you are stating is, in fact, accurate.

People who see 'bigfoot' have lots of stories and acecdotes too and get all offended when asked for proof. I am still waiting for it.

I am the original poster. This is definitely not a rebuttal of my own post, but it is of the skeptics' posts.

I was teaching at ELS- Taegu in 1999-2000, one year. I was talking to Stacey (Steve) Homer who was also a teacher there and used to work for a news paper. I was showing him a newspaper article written about me in 1980, and ponting out defects and censored items, including the fact that after six month of detailed terrorist threats, I told my room mate in the army that my train woud be derailed in Ireland, where, when, and how. It happened too, kilng 18 and wounding 65. I was telling Steve how people would not listen to me about the coming derailment. I told him I had also found out about coming attacks in the USA for 2001, that they would be with aircraft, and destroy the World Trade Center. I detailed to him how I got the information. I told him that I had tols others about it, but just like telling about the train derailment in 1980 before it happened.---Nobody would listen.

There were definitely at least two others in the office who heard me clearly. One was Tony Lang from Kendal, England. The other was a tall, kind of hook-nosed fellow from Australia whose name I do not remember, but I do remember his saying that I could not possibly know anything of the sort. I think he referred to it as bullshit.

In writing my manuscript (ninety-pages, 54,000+ words) of course I set out to get as much verification as I could. Here is a letter written by Steve Homer.

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Hi, John

This is Steve here at ELS Daegu. I am (for the time being, at least) Senior Teacher here at ELS - in Andrew's old job. But there have been a lot of reshufflings here lately and I may possibly move up to Seoul to work on the new textbook project. Yes, indeed - I vividly remember you describing likely plane attacks on the WTC back in 1999-2000. Another case of people not listening until it is too late, huh? I was in China over the Ch'useok holiday on a guided tour. Beijing was a nice place (cleaner than I expected it to be) but I don't think I would like dealing with the heavy air pollution.

I hope you and your family weathered the hurricanes OK. I heard two of the four made landfall around Stuart. Some of my relatives in St. Petersburg had fallen tree limbs and wet basements, but that was about it. Do you suppose the hurricanes took out any of those punch cards and voting booths?? Speaking of which, what do you think will happen after this election? Regardless of who wins, I think North Korea is going to flex some of its (possibly nuclear) muscle and rattle some cages here. The current President here, Roh Moo-Hyun, is a former card-carrying communist and depised by the older generation here. He is, on the other hand, the darling of the rich and pampered privileged young generation up in Seoul.

I have to run as I am still doing some teaching this month. Definitely keep me in the loop on what you are doing.


Have a great week,

Steve
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Of course, I do have testimonies from others.

Typically, you did not read and understand the post. This is so common on internet forums. It requires constant restatement of facts over and over and over and over again. Well, at least you did not completely misinterpret was has been said.

Did you read the part that said the matter of the attacks of September 11, 2001 was only one in a long line of willful negligences by law enforcement? It says they refused cooperation then, always have, and still do. Therefore, seven years after what fact? What, 9-11? Do you think they have suddenly switched to fairness and and cooperation in law enforcement? That would hardly be the case. Sure, it is much beter than is some countries, but Florida was like a developing world.

It may be easy for you to take an off hand view of matters that do not affect you directly, but what if it had been nuclear weapons instead of just four commandeered aircraft? Their incredulousness would have multiplied, as would their attemps to deny and play down their own witless collaboration in allowing the attacks to happen.

This sort of negligence in law enforcement in Florida in general, and in Stuart in particular has long been a problem that has been to the great detriment of quite a few people. It did not begin on 9-11 and it did not end there. However, it is by very far the most spectacular example of it that will ever be in the history of the state, notwithstanding the power of government and media to cover it up.

After the attacks of 9-11 Donald Rumsfeld made a speech on national television. He admitted there had been a massive failure of law enforcement in The United States. I heard that. I have lived with the consequences of that for years, before and after 9-11.

It is not a question of what I can accomplish, but of what the people WANT to accomplish. If you believe that such matters should be covered up and forgotten, you are paving the way for attacks worse than the architects of 9-11 ever dreamed of doing.

I am making the information available. Just like before 9-11, just like after 9-11. Here it is. If you want to ignore, then do so. Let's see how it turns out.

To save you the time of telling me this was not a rebuttal, it's not a rebuttal. I am curious, though, as to what you hope to accomplish 7 years after the fact?

I am the original poster.

It is obvious from your biased and slanted response that something is coloring your judgement, and an objective survey of the facts is not within your capability. I know why too, but I will not get into that aspect.

You say I told correction officers. I never said anything of the kind. I told one officer working with the DOC. This man was in his sixties, I believe, with a lifetime of experience in law enforcemnent. He was a full detective, an aviator, an educated person with full knowledge of his responsibilities.

Danny Carey was in law enforcement for at least 25 years around Stuart, Florida.

Larry Bowman also had a lfe in law enforcement. He served in the army in Vietnam. He spent ten years on the police department of Cincinnati, Ohio. He is a private investigator, domestic and international, and was a master sergeant in the army and captain in the air force reserves. He was a security agent for the government. He was a professor of criminology at the university of Gereat Falls, Montana. I knew Larry quite well and he knew me. He agreed that the attack would happen in a few years and mentioned "Sammy" and "Osammy" as the likely culprit, and that was back in 1997.

These people I told are not as you portray them to be, for whatever underhanded reason you have. They were all fully well aware of what they were supposed to do.

What your rebuttal is attempting to do is play down significant facts, and make me out to be a liar.

Another thing. You say 911 and police deal with conspiracy theories all day long. I have heard that before. I have checked that out. It simply is not true. You say it is true. Can you provide any evidence of that?

And besides, I am disgusted with having to defend myself every time I go online with these facts. If that is the way Amerikans have to be, then maybe attacks are exactly what are needed to wake them up to certain truths.

You are right. I am used to people calling the story into question, yes, but in some very malicious ways. I am disgusted with the entire matter. It has not been just skepticism, but also some of the most vile, hateful, accusational, filth imaginable coming my way over the internet, including threats against my children. It has gone on for years.

They did not believe me before 9-11, and they do not believe me after 9-11. Amerikans are just plain incredulous, but they have to lay off their own stupidity on the source of the information rather than admit they are just not with the program.

Yes, I have letters of verification from people I told.

You say the FOI act will get me the recording of the call I made in Stuart, Florida?
That's what you think. When I first called back after 9-11 the woman at 911 said they kept all calls "forever" meaning permanently, which makes sense because they never know what might come up later linked to that call's information. When I called later again to get mine, and told them what the call said and was about, they completely changed their story. Each time I called there the story was different. How long do you keep recordings? 1st call--forever. 2nd call--3 years. 3rd call--2 years. 4th call--1 year. Next--six months, and all the way down to 30 days and two weeks and maybe not at all.

You are biased in favor of government. You think they are right? HA!

I wrote seven letters to the Fort Pierce police department about the call the night of 9-10-01. Not one single answer to any letter. If they had not gotten such a call they would have said so.

Besides, I already mentioned they are not cooperating.

Skepticism is fine in its place, but when somebody tells you he did this and that, and said this and that to 130 persons, and you say you are skeptical, you are suggesting he is lying. I am not lying. I am telling the truth. I was telling the truth before 9-11. They figured I did not know what I was talking about. Same now. But the fact is, it is you all who do not know about 9-11 and did not know, not me.

Why didn't I contact the FBI. Law enforcement were required by law to pass on that information I gave them. According to the field office of the FBI in Fort Pierce, and I did call and ask, they did not mention a word of it to the FBI.

They were not cooperating and still are not cooperating. In fact, they never have, and their lack of action was predictable. I told that to people in Saudi Arabia in 1997 when I was getting the information. As for my not telling the FBI, I do not trust them. They too might have file 13ed the info and denied it afterwards.

I already mentioned the plot had changed from its original version. The original had more targets than what were hit on 9-11. Either they scaled back the attacks after I got the info and started talking, or they were just blowing hot air, or whatever.

As for my knowing the date, close anyway, not exact, if you can get those crooks in Fort Pierce to cough up the recording from the night of 9-10-01, you will very clearly hear my voice telling them to expect a major terrorist event very very soon.
Flight 11 slammed into the north tower about 12 hours later. Believe it or not. That's what happened.

I am not a conspiracy theorist. You are mistaken. I am not one. However, I do have a healthy dose of mistrust for power monopolizing organizations.

Running out of time.

I'm about the biggest skeptic you'll find. However, if the 9-11 plan was conceived of as early as 1997, I don't see anything too far fetched about the gist of the the original report.

Consider this: in addition to the twenty hijackers, there must have been, in the LEAST, ten to twenty other people who at least knew the basics of the plan. This makes a good thirty to fourty people. Out of that group, there are bound to be a few who just can't keep their dirty little secret. Once the word is out, it spreads pretty easily. And bearing in mind that we know that any one human can be linked to another human, through acquaintances, with six or less degrees of separation.

So the notion that the basic idea behind the plot could have made its way to an American teaching in Korea is not all that far-fetched.

We also know that the lines of communication between different government and law enforcement agencies were lousy back then. It's also HIGHLY likely that all of the people you spoke with simply thought the whole plot was ludicrous and that you were a crack-pot. Local cops, corrections officers, 911 dispatchers, etc. deal with crack-pots with conspiracy theories all day long. So the notion that they would have been informed, and then done nothing with that information, is not too far-fetched.

But there are a few questions that this whole series of postings leaves open:

-It is not very likely that the specific details of the plot, including the exact date of execution and the specific targets, would have made it through a series of individuals intact. In other words, it seems like the "secret" would have morphed somewhat as it was passed from person to person (think of the "telephone" game you may have played when you were a kid).

- It is a bit suspect that you wouldn't have given this information to a federal agency, especially after recognizing that nobody was taking it seriously at the local level.

- According to what we know now, the plot was in its infancy in 1997, and it seems unlikely that the specific date, the specific targets, and the speific methods would have been hatched at this point, or would not have changed after that point. In other words, it seems unlikely that anybody in 1997, including the terrorists themselves, knew that the plot would be carried out on 9-11-01, and what the targets would be.

- Your rebuttals to the rebuttals, unfortunately, aren't suggestive of veracity. Rather, they appear to be written by someone who is very anti-government and very prone to conspiracy theories.

I can't say what you did and didn't know in 1997, or what you did and didn't do with that knowledge. But in this day and age we have numskulls are coming out of the woodwork trying to show that 9-11 was a givernment conspiracy. These people set forth ludicrous versions of the events and choose to ignore any of the actual evidence, or even basic principles of physics, that doesn't support their theory.

So you should expect that your tale will be met with a degree of skepticism. In fact, you should be so used to it by now that you would be prepared to back it up with some names and verifiable information (i.e. the dates on which you spoke to 911 operators - those conversations are recorded and saved for years, and a simple FOIA request could verify your story).

But when you respond to a harsh and skeptical rebuttal with nothing but an angry rehashing of the original story you leave yourself open to question.

Best regards!

Bryce, or whoever you are.

I have been on and off forums for years. There are always people like you who are ready and willing to denounce what they do not want to believe, or what they are constitutionally unable to reveive, which, in the case of most Amerikans, is truth.
Inconvenient truths are not welcomed in the USA. This we know.

Your authorities also had four years to act, and, if you look up the law on the matter, you will see they were required to contact the FBI, which, so far as I have been able to ascertain, they did not do at any time. I was easy to find. They made absolutely no effort whatsoever. Do you remember what Donald Rumsfeld said on national TV after 9-11? He said there had been a massive failure in law enforcement. He was right, and not just with 9-11 either.

As for my having been able to do more that I did, yes it is true. I could have and I did not. I made the decision to not do more than I could have. It was not really even remotely fair to expect me to go all out with something like that, talking to people who were trying to blow me off as some alarmist who did not know what he was talking about, people like you.

In fact, it is my opinion that you and people like you are a very good argument for 9-11, and many more besides. Maybe next time somebody gets wind of a new attack in enough detail to help you all out, it will be someone who owes you and your society that kind of consideration. I did not owe it. I still do not.

I know where I recognize it from! It's just like the tone the Nigerians use in those email scams they send me! The broken English, the outrageous claims, the mix of British-English with American, etc,.
How am I supposed to offer evidence about what you knew before the attacks? The best evidence I have is that you did nothing about it, to any affect. Four years to get something done about this. And you didn't. Why don't I tell you about the purple unicorn I caught eating the cabbage in my garden last night? Oh, and it stole my red corduroy pants and wore them off into the hills too. Come up here and offer evidence that THAT DIDN'T happen. Asking us to disprove your hallucinations is fruitless. I said it once, I'll say it again: You're a nutcase.

That is not a rebuttal, only low-grade name calling reflecting your intentions and your mentality.

If you want to rebut what I have posted, then by all means bring forward your evidence and information. It would be most interesting to see what you posit here if you intend to say what happened did not happen. Most interesting indeed.

Over the years my postings on this subject have, unfortunately, drawn a number of responses such as yours, and the same pattern evinces itself: Innuendo, harassment, badgering (always from a distanace and anonymously like one of those anonymous voices one hears on the phone in the dead of night, then some nasty comment, then the click), but the nasty voice has never ever come up with any evidence or information countering what I have said.

If you want to rebut my assertions, then do so. Come on. Let's hear it. Bring your evidence.

I told those individuals and many more about those attacks of September 11, 2001
long before the attacks happened. I had know about the attacks in detail since 1997. These are my facts.

You're a nutcase. I usually pound out the responses to reports on here myself (when there is a legitimate situation), but you're nuts. Had to add a little humor here comparing you in the same light with Mercer. Do you know him already? Have you contemplated a run with him for VP?
Please, please run for VP. We need a candidate to really laugh at this year. Hell, if you want to, run on your own ticket, but you and Mercer go together like peas and carrots! LOL.

It is not just negligence concerning the attacks of September 11, 2001 that is the matter. At my age I am one of the relatively few persons actually born and raised in Florida. I know from past experiences that government and law enforcement in Stuart, Martin County, Florida were grossly malfeasant, backwards, and corrupt. I could tell you true stories that would curl your toes. You would never believe it. I remember telling others whose first responses were---(I don't believe it. Nobody could ever get away with anything like that). Well, believe me, they did do it all.

Remember that case against Brian De La Beckwith in a southern state who blew up a church killing four little black girls, but was never convicted of the crime? His last name was De La Beckwith. Sure, people in that town knew he had done it, but getting a conviction against him was impossible in the political climate of those days. He committed the act in the 1960s, and it took till the nineties to get a conviction.

Things were similar in Stuart, Florida. People knew who were committing crimes and who the crimes were being committed against, but society, government, and the law were corrupt. They simply would not function for some people.

These last examples of warnings about the coming attacks of September 11 were just more added to a very long list of official willful negligences that had been going on for many years. They had been pulling that for such a long time they figured they could just keep on keeping on and have nothing to worry about, and they were right. There was a complete abrogation of responsibility and accountability.

If I were younger and better off financially, I would leave the United States completely and change my citizenship. If you support that kind of government, you are wrong. It is that simple.

The comments about Mercer are totally and completely irrelevant to the point.

If you believe that your public officials should be above accountability, and not responsible for gross criminal negligence, then perhaps you are one of them. If you are a voter and serve on juries, that makes it even worse.

As with freedom of speech, driving motor vehicles on public highways, engaging in business, and other activities that bring you into touch with others and which effect them, you are required to exercise a certain amount of responsibility. Violate the boundaries of responsibility too much, and you get in trouble. For the average person that is true anyway. It is much more dangerous than you might think to allow gross irresponsibility resulting in massive death and destruction.

You do not know anywhere near all of the story here. You seem like a cut and paste responder, and not one who takes time to think. You should be a politician or a cop.

The comments about Mercer are totally and completely irrelevant to the point.

If you believe that your public officials should be above accountability, and not responsible for gross criminal negligence, then perhaps you are one of them. If you are a voter and serve on juries, that makes it even worse.

As with freedom of speech, driving motor vehicles on public highways, engaging in business, and other activities that bring you into touch with others and which effect them, you are required to exercise a certain amount of responsibility. Violate the boundaries of responsibility too much, and you get in trouble. For the average person that is true anyway. It is much more dangerous than you might think to allow gross irresponsibility resulting in massive death and destruction.

You do not know anywhere near all of the story here. You seem like a cut and paste responder, and not one who takes time to think. You should be a politician or a cop.

The comments about Mercer are totally and completely irrelevant to the point.

If you believe that your public officials should be above accountability, and not responsible for gross criminal negligence, then perhaps you are one of them. If you are a voter and serve on juries, that makes it even worse.

As with freedom of speech, driving motor vehicles on public highways, engaging in business, and other activities that bring you into touch with others and which effect them, you are required to exercise a certain amount of responsibility. Violate the boundaries of responsibility too much, and you get in trouble. For the average person that is true anyway. It is much more dangerous than you might think to allow gross irresponsibility resulting in massive death and destruction.

You do not know anywhere near all of the story here. You seem like a cut and paste responder, and not one who takes time to think. You should be a politician or a cop.

You two should really get together. Maybe you can run for Vice-President with him this November! You should get with him.

(Some) Reasons For Mercer's Presidential Candidacy:


49. To Prove the United States Government killed my sex life, my wife sex life, my daughter-in laws sex life both may sons and other of my family members sex life with Espionage Experimentation and Espionage Exploitation sex killing.

56. To Prove Jeb Bush is all in my house with disease.

66. To Prove America is America.

69. To Prove a gangster is a terrorist. President George W. Bush, Jr. and Former President George Herbert Bush, Sr. Told us they are the 911 Terrorist evidence of Electronic Satellite recording. Bush is the 911 Terrorist Evidence my ROTC FBI Electronic Surveillance Satellite Recording I wrote took letter to the FBI Houston I was sent by The United Army Criminal Investigations Fort Belvior after I called them and turned him in FBI Houston did not understand told me not to come back. I have solved every crime in America and the world for the last 15 years dating back to before Christ.
REMEMBER A GANGSTER IS A TERRORIST. THE BUSHS ARE GANGSTERS.

FURTHER:
On August 22, 1992, The State of Texas installed an intelligence hotwire in me at the United States Army Military Intelligence Academy Camp Bullis San Antonio, Texas.

AND FURTHER:
I have a doctor degree Phd. as a doctor of laws, medicine ( not practitioner of medicine, i.e. physicians, surgeons), theology, management, engineering and other subjects that are guaranteed by the United States Army in ROTC to be presented to me in a court of Law only.
I will receive my doctor degrees in a court of law only. My final graduation will be in a United States of America's Court which was ordered by my second ROTC Board and Staff Janet Reno former U.S. Attorney General, former Chief of Staff of the U.S. Army and Secretary Of State of The United States General Colin Powell, Sr. and former Secretary of The United States Army Togo West. They will be joining me circumstantially later.

And remember, according to Mercer, there is "OUR CONCERN OF CIRCUMSTANCES:
There are some concern about how we do our concerns of circumstances."

View more at the official website detailing the concerns Samson has elaborated on in this report! http://www.mercerforpresident2008.com/home.html

Samson, you really need to look into running with Mercer this fall!

You do not have a rebuttal. All you are saying is you do not believe it. You can say that about any complaint filed on this site. Why this one?

What I reported here most certainly is true, and a lot more besides. Why people must believe so much in a ripoff government that they insist on calling a lie the truth and the truth a lie is truly a wonder. Why don't you go on with your accusation, after all you are saying I am lying, and tell us exactly how you arrived at your conclusion. It would be very interesting to read about that.

I know without any question whatsoever that I had known in detail about those attacks since 1997.

You say call the FBI. What you do not realize is that is exactly what the authorities in Stuart were required by law to do, contact the local field office of the FBI, but, according to the field office in Fort Pierce, Florida, they did nothing of the sort---repeatedly in 1998 and in early 2001-NOTHING! Then, after 9-11, they lied over and over and over again about the calls, the recordings of the calls, about being told, and also made themselves unavailable and refused to answer at all after several contacts made with them. All official sources denied everything. I did get letters from others, but when it came to your paid protectors, nothing.

If you are so pro-government that you cannot receive the truth, it is too bad.

I would hate to be an innocent person accused of a crime he did not commit, and facing a court and jury made up of persons such as yourself. Many innocent persons have been condemned to death rows and prison sentences facing persons in a court room who had attitudes such as yours. You people scare me with your attitudes. No wonder 9-11 went along to its conclusion.

You told:

A private investigator, a Sheriff's Deputy, a Dept of Corrections officer, and 2 9-1-1 operators. These were all the persons 'in positions of responsiblity and authority in law enforcement' that you claim to have told of this plot.

Did it ever dawn on you to call the FBI, the CIA or the NSA? Surely at least one of those agencies would have followed up on the evidence, especially in the amount of detail you claim to have had.

Somehow this story does not wash. And I'm not buying the book either.