Complaint Review: Sub Zero Martini Bar

I had orignally reported (earlier today) that Sub Zero is out of business and technically the name is, however, it is still the SAME OWNER they just changed the name. It still proves that if Sub Zero was such a fantastic place and had such a great reputation then why did they have to change their name??!!!! Hmmmmm

Sub Zero is out of business, it is now called Monte's. It really proves true that what goes around comes around! They got what was coming if that's the way they thought a business should be ran!

Umm when your friend got pushed to the ground, why not stand up for yourself? Ever heard of anything called self defense. I would have put that person in the hospital, or maybe worse. People are so scared in this day of age, and this website represents that.

For those of you reading this, I am not condoning violence, nor am I saying this is the only path to follow, but come on, some random person pushes you to the ground and you do nothing?

How come things like this never happen to me?

Oh by the way, leave your judgments on marijuana alone, you are not the judge of civilized people and obviously do not have the knowledge to judge millions of people that do use marijuana. I myself do not use it, but I know plenty of people that do, some for recreation (like drinking) and some for medical reasons.

Liquor is more of a degrading substance than marijuana, as it makes you lose control of yourself and your motor skills.

Ignorance is the only thing this society knows. Education on all matters is essential to fully understand what you are talking about.

Thank you.

Umm when your friend got pushed to the ground, why not stand up for yourself? Ever heard of anything called self defense. I would have put that person in the hospital, or maybe worse. People are so scared in this day of age, and this website represents that.

For those of you reading this, I am not condoning violence, nor am I saying this is the only path to follow, but come on, some random person pushes you to the ground and you do nothing?

How come things like this never happen to me?

Oh by the way, leave your judgments on marijuana alone, you are not the judge of civilized people and obviously do not have the knowledge to judge millions of people that do use marijuana. I myself do not use it, but I know plenty of people that do, some for recreation (like drinking) and some for medical reasons.

Liquor is more of a degrading substance than marijuana, as it makes you lose control of yourself and your motor skills.

Ignorance is the only thing this society knows. Education on all matters is essential to fully understand what you are talking about.

Thank you.

Umm when your friend got pushed to the ground, why not stand up for yourself? Ever heard of anything called self defense. I would have put that person in the hospital, or maybe worse. People are so scared in this day of age, and this website represents that.

For those of you reading this, I am not condoning violence, nor am I saying this is the only path to follow, but come on, some random person pushes you to the ground and you do nothing?

How come things like this never happen to me?

Oh by the way, leave your judgments on marijuana alone, you are not the judge of civilized people and obviously do not have the knowledge to judge millions of people that do use marijuana. I myself do not use it, but I know plenty of people that do, some for recreation (like drinking) and some for medical reasons.

Liquor is more of a degrading substance than marijuana, as it makes you lose control of yourself and your motor skills.

Ignorance is the only thing this society knows. Education on all matters is essential to fully understand what you are talking about.

Thank you.

Umm when your friend got pushed to the ground, why not stand up for yourself? Ever heard of anything called self defense. I would have put that person in the hospital, or maybe worse. People are so scared in this day of age, and this website represents that.

For those of you reading this, I am not condoning violence, nor am I saying this is the only path to follow, but come on, some random person pushes you to the ground and you do nothing?

How come things like this never happen to me?

Oh by the way, leave your judgments on marijuana alone, you are not the judge of civilized people and obviously do not have the knowledge to judge millions of people that do use marijuana. I myself do not use it, but I know plenty of people that do, some for recreation (like drinking) and some for medical reasons.

Liquor is more of a degrading substance than marijuana, as it makes you lose control of yourself and your motor skills.

Ignorance is the only thing this society knows. Education on all matters is essential to fully understand what you are talking about.

Thank you.

I was supposed to be notified from Ripoff Report when any comments were posted but I haven't recieved anything. I didn't know all this was going on so I think I need to make some clarifications, especially to Mr. Veritas...

It's obvious you have a connection to this bar and/or specific bartender to be so fired up. I would also like to say thank you. Your ignorant comments compliment the bartenders inexcusable behavior further proving my point.

Number one. The report was modified because I left out a few exclamation marks.

Number 2. To Sherlock: The person that was accused was female and the person assulated was male.

Number 3. If the bartender felt threatened in any way that she felt she needed to attack, why didn't she ask for assistance from the staff or call the police?

Number 4. The report was filed on Ripoff Report the day after the incident. I filed a BBB claim and also a claim with Mike Cox Attorney General the night of the incident.

Number 5. I love Mr. Varitas' phrase, "The bartender in question was first called 'A f**king air headed barslut', I believe.
Following that,the person in question of being told to leave, then literally spit in her face." The key words in this is, "I believe". You were obviously not there this night to observe what happened. As stated above, why didn't the BARTENDER call the police if this was the case.

Mr. Varitas, you were not there thus you cannot say what happened and what didn't happen. If you frequent the bar than good for you. I'm not baracading the door! Honestly, why would I invest all this time with Ripoff Report, the BBB and the Attorney General if I knew we were in the wrong. I would have just dropped the whole thing like hmmm the bartender wants to. Even though it's not relevant, if you think Sub Zero is an "upscale bar" than I am very sorry you lead such a sheltered life.

As far as I am concerned, if the bartender had any respect for the owners I wouldn't be sitting here typing this because the whole thing would have never happened. Your right about one thing...I do know what the truth is and it is explained in detail in the original post. You also know what the truth is that is why you would like to lay this to rest.

Thanks to the supporters. I will keep you updated.

but since you say you're done now...it's about time! I have to add though, that for someone that "says" they're educated...it's spelled supposedly, not supposidly:)
Have a nice week at your bar.

So Otis, you're prooving to be a very interesting little boy, which is all I need to say about you and what you supposidly know.

As "B" stated, there are those of us who actually(don't faint, but yes...that means FACTUALLY speaking) know the real truth. I happen to be one of them, which answers your question about why I happen to go to this place once a week, because it IS a good place and there are nice people there.

Oh, and last I checked, one drink a week did nothing to harm any performance levels, speaking in terms of martial arts.

Lastly, it's funny how you assume that one bad apple makes the whole barrel bad, as well as the fact that one drink a week is now A.A. material? Wow....and this is exactly why I'm done here.

If you're not the bartender, then you're probably her boyfriend or something. Again...why would someone with such an important life care so much about a random bar? You haven't answered that one. I would consider a bar with drug use in it a hole in the wall. Also, you need to get straight...do you go every Friday, every weekend, or frequently, because you've claimed all 3. Also, the Op hasn't responded because he obviously got his point across..why post more other than to argue with you? You're proving his point for him. Why do you keep posting? Lastly, I know a "real" Martial Artist, and he would never put alcohol in his system on a frequent basis. Their whole belief is based on a clean and healthy life style. Looks like you wouldn't be able to cut it as a Martial Artist.
Yet again, I call your BS. Looks like you're probably just some loser that is trying to inflate their own ego with lies about yourself, but if it makes you feel better about yourself...go for it!

Well, I like to call it friday evenings after a long week of work. I'd also like to point out that however much of a "hole in the wall" place it may or may not be, it's classified as an upscale martini bar.

Apparently you've never heard of us legal types enjoying a martini after a long work week??

Personally, I see no problem with a well educated person going for a martini once a week.

Secondly, you're wrong, I'm NOT the bartender. It did make for an interesting thought though, did it not?!

Again, I'll state that this is now a somewhat moot arguement in my own opinion, considering the statements provided above.

Lastly, I'm interested as to why theres been no further input from the original complaintant. hmmm?

why if you are this so called martial arts expert, pre law elected, expert in Latin, college educated, and more...would you be a regular patron of a hole in the wall bar? And why would someone with that much education even care that much about a bar? I think your probably the actual bartender, and I call your bull sh*t!
Any way about it though, you're not helping this bar with ANY of your comments. You've made it worse!
Oh yeah, and the way you were wrong about the modification thing...I'm still laughing over that one. Thanks for the laugh:)

Actually, I will say that in this last posting of yours, you're actually not doing ENOUGH thinking.

Why so? Because theres circumstances not brought to light about this situation that I know of. Of course, it's not your fault for not knowing them, as no one as of yet had mentioned them.

Heres the bottom line though:

The bartender in question was first called "A f**king air headed barslut", I believe.
Following that,the person in question of being told to leave, then literally spit in her face.

I'm amazed at how the original poster never mentioned any of THIS loveliness though!

Again, it's stuff that you Jeff, would'nt know until now. Thus I would say this is somewhat of a moot complaint now, would'nt you?!

I am the bartender being referred to in this complaint. I have not posted until now out of respect for my employer and I will not give many details as to the situation. The people involved know the truth of the situation.

However, I will state this: I did not needlessly attack a man that is two to three times my size. There really appears to only be half truths and tall tales being told here. The man that was supposedly attacked for no reason probably would not want the authorities involved for some very different reasons than what was posted, but I'll give him the opportunity to step up and tell everyone his part in all of this...

Until he posts, can we stop arguing about this? This whole situation just needs to be layed to rest.

Thank you

Ok, I guess I was a little vague; I am man enough to admit my mistakes.

However, there aren't to many bartenders that would attack before calling the police themselves, or for that matter self defense. Maybe this one was a little off the wall.

Yeah that comment was a little off the wall itself. Let me restate my thought:

Many bartenders in respectable establishments would not assault an individual unless maybe they too were intoxicated. They would rely on bouncers or law enforcement to take care of the issue if possible. However, I am guessing 99.99% would protect themselves in self-defense if they had to. I can not speak for them as I am not them..

Maybe this bartender was a little off the wall

I think my thought is somewhat clearly stated now.


A SHERLOCK I am not sir.. Maybe I am missing something.

In the original post the poster clearly states the first individual to be questioned was female. Then she states the bartender followed this female back to the table An exchange of words and everyone was out the door. On the way out the door..

This bartender then came up behind another friend as if in a psychotic rage and viscously attacked him unexpectedly by

I believe the poster mentioned another friend. In the posters reply to Robert..

There is NOTHING missing. I am in contact with the police at this time. I cannot file the report myself because I wasn't the one attacked and the person that was attacked does not want to go through with the whole legal process because it is very expensive and time-consuming. He is also a very forgive and forget kind of person which I am not.

I believe the poster is talking about the individual that was assaulted not the female that was questioned. Again, I might be wrong there..

OK my comment about their age.. I guess I should have been more CLEAR as one might assume otherwise. I was vague in my comment as the original poster was in theirs. They stated a general age, as was I. My point was, they are not children.. That is why I used the word AROUND and not exactly 27,28,29,30, or 31. I do not know their age and the poster does not stated it.

'If you are the common responsible and ethical clientele they have there, I think I would avoid this establishment. '
..again, you sure DO do a GREAT DEAL of thinking....but of course you don't know the behavioral traits of anyone in question, now do you?! No, you don't

No I don't, I can only go by what I see on this page, and yes, I do think a lot.


Lets get to the end of your post.

Now, incase I happened to miss my own posting, I shall refrain from throwing any amount of vagueness around and just RE-state what I ALREADY have....for you, dear sir:
'How come I've been going to this establishment for the past 9 months every weekend and have NEVER had a problem, what so ever?!!!!....

OK, so you have not had a problem. The does not mean there wasn't ever a problem, nor does it mean there will never be a problem. Does your comment help the way one might perceive this establishment, yes it does.


In closing, I will say this. Considering all that you do is THINK, please enlighten me...and tell me...what DO you actually KNOW?!!?
This I say because I find it very humorous of you to state this:
'However, I would have contacted the management the following day. The longer you wait, the more it gets suspicious.

I don't know why that statement is humorous; the comment was to the original poster. I guess I need to clearly define it for you.

To the OP, there might be more validity to your post if you would have reacted as some might consider the normal individual to do. Some of these reactions might have been:

1. Contact the management right then and there
2. At least contact them the next day
3. Call the police

The fact that you did not do these basic things tends to make other individuals think you have something to hide.

How is that?



...and I only find it such a great laugh, because unlike you, I KNOW things in life:
-I know I have the integrity of someone who took martial arts for 12 years and has two black belts.

Ok, so what does that have to do with this? An individual with martial arts training has never what? Lied? Killed? Been stupid? Been a Moron?

I guess what you are saying is that since you have all this training, you are perfect and godly?

-I know what the english language is, it's called taking latin for four years back in highschool and getting an 'A' in it.

Ok, I don't claim to be all knowing, did not say that anywhere in my post. Just vaguely noted you should read better before belittling. In addition, I think this is English not Latin. I received an A in gym does that make me a pro NFL player?..

I know that I was working in law offices by the age of 15.

Ok, are you giving law advice here? Or name calling? What does this have to do with anything?

I know that I was the only ELECTED member of my schools' pre-law society's excutive board during my sophomore year of college, who was an underclassman.

Ok, so? You went to college and did something.. Does that mean you have integrity? I dont know or care.. Again, has nothing to do with the original post.

So, lets talk integrity shall we?!!

Will it make me want to patronize this establishment?

Oh, and I also KNOW that the complainant waited A WEEK before contacting mgt. in this situation.

That's good, I glad you know that..

Ouch!

Ummm yeah.


Further comments..

I never claimed to be great at English, but at least I use spell check

I think after:

>12 years of martial arts training
>Being the ONLY elected member of my schools' pre-law society
>Getting an A in Latin
>Being a frequent customer of Sub Zero

You would have used it.

Your martial arts training sure did not train you to keep your cool and not name throw like a child. And before you go an play the you did also card, I was vaguely stating you should read before acting like a child.

Now, Sub Zero might be a great place to spend an evening, I do not know. The good thing about this site as it allows them to make a comment back. If they don't, it does not mean they are not worthy of patronage, nor does it mean the OP is telling the truth in any way. However, we do know something happened and it is worth noting in any manner.

Now the fact Mr. Veritas states.. How come I've been going to this establishment for the past 9 months every weekend and have NEVER had a problem, what so ever?!!!!....
does not mean a thing. Obviously things happen, just when he is not there. Whether it is the OP groups fault or Sub Zero is to be determined, and it is up to us to decide if we would like to patronize this establishment not yours.


Also, about the comment:

"I.) HOW COME the ORIGINAL posting was *modified*....the day after the original posting...so THREE days after the incident?!

I believe the original post shows a modification date according to the last comment made on this post. I choose not to belittle you or call you a moron because you did not know that. According to your train of thought this would give me integrity? We make the choice to be the way we are, you have made yours.

...... I guess I am thinking to much again..

As to the questioning of ones integrity and ability to correctly comprehend the english written language, I'll say the following.

Your statement of "there aren't to many bartenders that would attack before calling the police themselves, or for that matter self defense. Maybe this one was a little off the wall.", is like me saying "There are'nt too many people who would'nt call the police had they been assualted by a bartenderin a public place, maybe this guy was just lying".

More so, is the oddity of your assumption about bartenders. Why, do YOU know any who would attack? Apparently theres a good amount of them who do, of course, after calling the police first.

The self defense bit, well, I'm pretty sure we can rule that one out, given the fact that you just stated that there seems to be many bartenders who are on the offensive, rather than defensive.

In response to your bit about the he/she conflict...you sir, whom I am sure is smarter than a studious healthcare professional, and obviously more well educated than I, are just plain stupid and or blind(and thus reading this through typographical/keystroke voice playback).

I myself CLEARLY stated that the complaintant switched sexes in HIS REPLY TO 'ROBERT'...YOU missed it sherlock, not I.

You also CLEARLY MISSED this one, sherlock:
"my friend explained that we are all health care professionals".

Furthermore, you REALLY love to throw a great deal of vagueness around, considering how CLEARLY TYPED the above mentioned bit is, since your response was this:
"I think she also mentioned they were educated professionals in a round about way"

...soo...you "THINK" she mentioned it?....perhaps...maybe...I don't know..."IN A ROUND ABOUT WAY"?!?!?....NOT in a clearly typed sort of way though, huh?!

In addition to this lovely peice of yours, you also "think" the following, of course about a clearly stated thing:
"I think she also mentioned that their age would be around 27-30 years".

Actually, she DID, it was'nt a "maybe" kind of thing. No, she just plain stated this:
"My friends and I are not 21 anymore, not for the past 7-10 years so".

Oh, and apparently sir, you've just wasted your parents $120k education...last I checked, 21+7=28 as does 21+10=31. Not 27 & 30 respectivly.


Next in line, you state the following:
"If you are the common responsible and ethical clientele they have there, I think I would avoid this establishment. "
..again, you sure DO do a GREAT DEAL of thinking....but of course you don't know the behavioral traits of anyone in question, now do you?! No, you don't/

Now, incase I happened to miss my own posting, I shall refrain from throwing any amount of vagueness around and just RE-state what I ALREADY have....for you, dear sir:
"How come I've been going to this establishment for the past 9 months every weekend and have NEVER had a problem, what so ever?!!!!...."

In closing, I will say this. Considering all that you do is THINK, please enlighten me...and tell me...what DO you actually KNOW?!!?
This I say because I find it very humorous of you to state this:
"However, I would have contacted the management the following day. The longer you wait, the more it gets suspicious."

...and I only find it such a great laugh, because unlike you, I KNOW things in life:
-I know I have the integrity of someone who took martial arts for 12 years and has two black belts.

-I know what the english language is, it's called taking latin for four years back in highschool and getting an "A" in it.

-I know that I was working in law offices by the age of 15.

-I know that I was the only ELECTED member of my schools' pre-law society's excutive board during my sophomore year of college, who was an underclassman.

So, lets talk integrity shall we?!!

Oh, and I also KNOW that the complainant waited A WEEK before contacting mgt. in this situation.

Ouch!

While I do not normally comment reports, some people just get under my skin. What is great about this site is that we all can comment and make our own judgment call and decide if we would like to patronize the establishment.

From what I read this individual was not happy with the service, the accusations, and the assault. Was there something left out? I don't know. However, there aren't to many bartenders that would attack before calling the police themselves, or for that matter self defense. Maybe this one was a little off the wall.

Since the police were not called by the establishment in the first place, it just may support that this bartender was off her rocker, heck maybe even drinking herself.

I would like to comment on MR. TAX PAYER...

First sir... before you call some one a MORON, try looking the mirror and maybe take a reading comprehension class.. or two..

"....Now I as a tax payer am not going to sit back and let some pueril moron do several things. One, I am not going to let them use my money to help some little boy try and rip us all off, and get more money. Two, I will not tolorate the trash and lies that you spew from your mouth,to be aimed towards any regularly visited establishment of mine as both a loyal customer and as a responsible and ethical(something you obviously know nothing of)...now get ready, this one will be hard for you to grasp the meaning of, that I can already tell....but as an 'adult'.".......

In PLAIN site it says, the woman attacked ANOTHER friend of hers. WHICH SHE CLEARLY MENTIONED WAS A "HE"... I think she also mentioned they were educated professionals in a round about way.. wanting to remain ANONYMOUS.. thats the way I would do it... I think she also mentioned that their age would be around 27-30 years... not being 21 and 6 or 7 years to the elder... I would consider her an adult.

On top of that they were apparently responsible enough to have a designated driver...

If you are the common responsible and ethical clientele they have there, I think I would avoid this establishment.

For THEIR own good, don't comment further, you are not helping.

As for the original poster. I can see why you might do this for another person. I think the best way to handle it was to leave and avoid the police. Your logic on that part seems to work with me. However, I would have contacted the management the following day. The longer you wait, the more it gets suspicious. On here and at the bar in question.

Upon yet even closer inspection of the original complaint, I've noticed the following, which of course given the credibility of the complaintant, is NOT surprising.

All through out the original complaint, the victim is referred to as a female, in terms such as "she" and "her":

"...to my friend and told her...","...that her character...she declined...", "...followed her to the table...",

However, I'd like to make a note of the fact that in the complaintants' reply to "Robert", he again trips up (perhaps caught up in his own false accusation?!?!) and uses the term "he":

In response to Robert's comment
"There is NOTHING missing.... He is also a very forgive and forget kind of person which I am not."

FURTHERMORE, I'd like to state the obvioius and say this:
IF you had'nt had a drink at all that night, or many more than just one for that matter, and you HAD actually in fact as you put it, "witnessed the entire incident with complete perception and judgment.", WHY WOULD'NT you call the police?

Oh, thats right....because had they been called for a police report(those things that real victims of real crimes and torts fill out), they'd have noticed that you WERE in fact full of it, as made very apparent in all your complaints herein.

Now I as a tax payer am not going to sit back and let some pueril moron do several things. One, I am not going to let them use my money to help some little boy try and rip us all off, and get more money. Two, I will not tolorate the trash and lies that you spew from your mouth,to be aimed towards any regularly visited establishment of mine as both a loyal customer and as a responsible and ethical(something you obviously know nothing of)...now get ready, this one will be hard for you to grasp the meaning of, that I can already tell....but as an "adult".

Now I'd really appreciate it if these site administrators took off this obviously false claim from this moron. Thanks.

Just a thought, but perhaps slandering a well known local bar is'nt the best way to gain any type of relief from them.

A few things I'd like to know are as follows:

1.) How come theres no mention of any member of mgt. status being contacted?

2.) I'm going to second that last opinion; how come the police were not called?

3.) How come it took TWO days before this was posted?
I.) HOW COME the ORIGINAL posting was *modified*....the day after the original posting...so THREE days after the incident?! That makes it appear as follows, in sequential order:
a.) wait two days after SUPPOSED said incident
b.) post original posting
c.) wait another day
d.) modify/ CHANGE something in original posting

4.) How come I've been going to this establishment for the past 9 months every weekend and have NEVER had a problem, what so ever?!!!!....

There is NOTHING missing. I am in contact with the police at this time. I cannot file the report myself because I wasn't the one attacked and the person that was attacked does not want to go through with the whole legal process because it is very expensive and time-consuming. He is also a very forgive and forget kind of person which I am not.

Also, when you call the police to a bar scene, the patrons are automatically seen as guilty because they have been "drinking" they automatically assume that you are drunk and unruly which was not the case by a million miles. I myself was the designated driver and had NOT HAD ONE DRINK THE ENTIRE EVENING. Thus, I witnessed the entire incident with complete perception and judgment. It would have been pointless to call the police at the time of the event for reasons stated above.

My friends and I are not 21 anymore, not for the past 7-10 years so our going to the bar to get "drunk" days are long gone I find it perfectly fine for friends to enjoy a few cocktails while listening to live entertainment.

I am telling you with complete honesty that this women attacked for NO REASON. Her conversation with the friend that was fallaciously accused was about 40 to 50-ft away from the rest of us that were sitting at the table. We had no idea what the conversation was even about until she came back to the table and told us with the bartender that followed her.

Seems to me something is missing in this story.

Be assured that if I'm in ANY establishment where the hired help lays a hand on me for no reason (let alone push me so that I fall down) the local police would have been called and I would have pressed charges for assault.

Why is there no mention of calling the police? Could it be that something WAS going on?

Something is missing.